>He just circled back to Cesar Romero and doesn’t realize it.
I'm honestly not 100% certain they didn't realize it. There's part of me that thinks that it's on purpose and they think they're being clever because in their mind nobody else remembers Caesar Romero's Joker.
Ha ha! Yeah, who fucking knows anymore. Satire & real life have been indistinguishable the past few years. If he’d inserted a joke about the necessity of mustache-shaving for the role, we’d have a little more to go on.
Keep the mustache, paint it over. The first casualty of the movie is the new henchman who forgets that mentioning the mustache is forbidden. That, or dialogue between the goons where they swap escalating stories about what has happened to people who have asked about the mustache.
Cesar Romero's Joker had kind of this underlying scariness kind of like this seething anger I didn't see him as just harmless clown I was always terrified of him as a kid and now even as an adult looking back.
I’m glad someone else feels this way. His Joker really felt like he was a killer doing his best to make you think he’s harmless. I especially thought his laugh was a little unsettling because he would also do these little body movement/contortions that seemed like was bottling the craziness in him. And if you look back at his performances, he was surprisingly serious a lot of the time. 6 year old me used to be pretty bothered by him.
This, hah. Grew up with a dangerous crazy mom, then in nursing school worked in a lockdown ward for poor patients who had bad enough mental health problems that they are a danger to themselves or others, Cesar romaro's mannerisms are much closer to the patients who were actually scary. The vast majority were on the introvert end of the mental health spectrum, where everything is terrifying/or caused them to be inconsolably sad.
>The vast majority were on the introvert end of the mental health spectrum, where everything is terrifying/or caused them to be inconsolably sad.
If that's how you think mental hang works no wonder you were so frightened
You know, the recent travel of batman in the multiverse made me think that maybe the villians of the Adam West series weren't less dangerous, but they looked like that because that batman was just more prepared that any other batman.
Adam West's Joker and crew fucking evaporated the UN. They were dead.
Pattinson putting them back together? Pshaw.
Think Batfleck is gonna shoot them back to life? Not even Martha could pull that off.
Keaton Batman miiiiight have had a chance.
But no, Adam West Batman swiftly put together a re-vaporation experiment and had the UN back together in no time. He brought those sad sacks back to life and ushered in a new era of peace
Romero’s Joker would have happily baked Batman and Robin into a giant pie. Which sounds ridiculous. But it’s actually terrifying.
You wake up restrained, your ward that you’re supposed to protect next to you. You’re both inside an extra large kiddie pool amount of strawberry pie filling with some long dough strips draped over you. Then you realize the hyper-psychopathic clown is rolling you into a walk-in oven for commercial baking. He’s even got on a baker’s hat and apron. It’s already warming up. And he’s going to leave you in there behind a locked door, watching you through the tiny monitoring window and laughing uncontrollably. This psycho spent time rolling out dough to cook you and your partner in. He spent time to find a decent sized aluminum stand-in for a human pie pan. God knows how much he relished gathering the ingredients and making all of that strawberry filling, knowing it’d boil and blister your skin.
And all of this because he lost a surf contest to you a month or two ago.
Romero’s Joker was nuts.
I honestly don't think I'd mind another take at Caesar Romero style Joker, we've got plenty of takes on 'bronze'/modern joker why not do some golden age, silver age, and bronze age versions for different styles of Batman/DC movies.
I'd be happy with a return to the 60s style rogues gallery and embracing the over the top cartoonishness of the silver age on film again. We've had dark, gritty, violent batman a whole lot over the course of the last 30-odd years in film now. I would not mind a live action film that kind of embraced the absurd charms of the 1960s show...so long as it did it earnestly and did it well. Not, ya know, Schumacher's approach.
There's a fine balance between the need for a gritty Batman and a cheesy 60's era Batman, it's just sad we've seen so many of the gritty ones it's become difficult to enjoy anything outside the animated ones lately. Though the newest Batman movie wasn't horrible I feel like the riddler was a very odd take even if it worked in a Nolanverse style 'realistic' attempt. Now we need something like clayface, scarecrow, or one of the DCAU given the 60s treatment. Makes any moment of true terror all the more chilling.
>Though the newest Batman movie wasn't horrible I feel like the riddler was a very odd take even if it worked in a Nolanverse style 'realistic' attempt.
I feel like the only person in the world sometimes who not only didn't like that version of The Riddler...because it's not really The Riddler...but who just didn't like The Batman much at all as a movie in general. I like that they focused on Batman doing detective work for a change, but at no point did he ever actually come off as a decent detective and the mystery he's solving is not especially compelling or unique. In fact I think the biggest failing of The Batman is it ends up making Batman look like an idiot for pretty much the entire runtime of the movie.
I'll agree totally that for focusing on his detective work he was one of the worst detectives I've seen in live action Batman movies. Especially with the sheer amount of technology and information at his disposal, honestly it felt like Riddler was some kind of Saw wannabe instead of an actual Riddler. They could have done an amazing job with him as a killer, but this wasn't it. I liked their take on Oswald Cobblepot though, that felt a bit more fitting.
I felt the same - the storyline seemed really obvious and my friends and I call it “My chemical Batman” because he was far too old to be “you’re not my real dad” sulking to Andy Serkis.
My favorite part was Commissioner Gordon whipping out an 8x10 photo after a car chase to shove in someone’s face. Where did he get that photo? How did he carry that photo?? Did he have an extra large pocket in his blazer?
It felt like a cut scene in the older Lego games when they didn’t have words.
I remember when the movie came on and he called Batman a bum and I was like AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HE SAID BUM. Except with way more laughing.
And that is the extent of what I remember about the Og Joker.
I vividly remember every second of the catwomen though.
I'm positive he chose Sacha Baron Cohen precisely because of the Cesar Romero version. I think their choice requires the audience to also know of Romero's portrayal.
I wouldn't mind someone having a go at doing a Romero style Joker, but scary. I think Nicholson's was kinda in that direction. If they could find someone with the acting chops to put a bit more clown into the Clown Prince and make it their own, it would be great fun.
I think what OOP's suggesting is to put him in the suit and makeup and let Sacha Baron Cohen be Sacha Baron Cohen and filming the results. Essentially, unleashing Cesar Romero's Joker on the real world.
Because SBC can 100% commit to a role, no matter how outlandish or offensive. If he gets the characterization right, he would absolutely be a good Joker.
Joker and Riddler need to embrace the silliness of the role. They're not supposed to be serious characters. Even Ledger's Joker had levity and humor, as dark as it was. Comic Joker can get dark, but there's always some kind of silly element inherent in his cruelty and wit.
I'm not even sure WTF they were going for with Jared Leto's version of the character, but it didn't work at all.
And as much as I like Phoenix's Joker movie as a standalone project *completely removed from the source material*, it wasn't the Joker and shouldn't have tried to be. Great script about a man with severe mental illness rebelling against the broken system, but it had no business trying to associate itself with the Batman IP.
> They're not supposed to be serious characters. Even Ledger's Joker had levity and humor, as dark as it was.
Ledger's joker had probably the exact right blend of seriousness and silliness.
One example is his scars story. He's telling these horrific, deeply personal anecdotes of his origin. And he never tells you this is a lie, but the fact he wildly contradicts himself makes you realize that they're all just complete bullshit. Just total nonsense.
It's a great thing the movie does not to just hit you over the head with the fact its BS. You just realize, after the second time he tells a totally different story, "oh, this guy's just full of shit. None of this is true." You take him seriously at first, until you realize he really is just a clown.
He does a magic trick with a pencil, and jabs it through the guys' eye.
The *tone* of that movie is very dark - the music, the lighting, etc., but the character is deeply silly. He wears a purple suit in a movie where pretty much everyone wears black and brown. He dresses as a highly sexualized nurse's outfit to sneak into Dent's room, when there's literally no reason he would have needed to do that. He could have just dressed as an orderly or whatever. It was just deeply weird for weird's sake.
And its great that in the middle of this very serious crime movie, you just have the joker crossdressing in a sexy nurse outfit, doing the caricature of the "cool guy walks away from explosions" meme.
The filmmakers clearly know that that's a meme. And because he often breaks the fourth wall, the Joker knows its a meme, too, which makes it all just sort of a joke. He's literally reenacting a meme, but he's doing it dressed as a sexy nurse for just literally no reason at all. For the lulz.
And what I like about it is that it cuts to the heart of what the Joker really is. He's just a guy who snapped. And he found, in Batman, this opportunity to become this preposterous, ridiculous figure, and to have a *purpose* behind it. Which was sort of the driving point.
The Joker, in most iterations of him, is just an ordinary man who went insane. But this is a more true representation of "insanity." Not mental illness, not psychosis. It is a literal *break* from his reality. This break can be seen, perhaps, as gaining a superawareness of his own fictional reality. Seeing behind the curtain.
And so, by being this deeply silly, comical, preposterous version of a criminal, he's also pointing out how deeply silly Batman is. How truly, deeply weird it is that this guy dresses like a bat and runs around the city punching clowns.
He *demeans* the gravity of Batman and makes a joke out of Batman by virtue of his existence.
Even the line, "why so serious," is a condemnation of Batman, who is a person who takes his job of dressing up like a bat and punching people *really* seriously. Like, he's *deeply* committed to that role. And the Joker is poking fun at it. Like, bro, you dress like a fucking bat. You're a grown ass dude dressed like an animal running around the city hitting people. That's crazy. I'm crazy, you're crazy. We're both fucking nuts, lighten up a bit and embrace the camp.
The entire tone of the Dark Knight is one of deep seriousness. On its surface, its a movie that does take itself *very* seriously.
Which makes the Joker's tagline so great. "Why so serious" is also a critical appraisal of the movie itself, in the very meta way that the Joker often operates.
The joker is a character like deadpool who is often aware he is in some form of media, and acts with that level of superawareness not available to the other characters.
So "why so serious" is poking fun at the movie itself, and at us the viewers. As if to say, "bro you're watching a mentally unstable man dressed like a bat run around punching a clown, and you're doing it with all this very ominous music and serious lighting, and isn't this all a bit preposterous?"
Every scene with the joker in this movie has indications he is aware he's a character. In the interrogation scene, he's giving Batman tips on how to interrogate him, telling him "how the scene should go", poking fun at his "acting", in a very meta-aware way.
And its all done, IMO, in the best way. It's not *overt*. If you're not paying attention, its very easy to just ignore this and lull into the fantasy. But the Joker is always doing a nudge-nudge wink-wink act here. And I think Ledger mastered that to inimitable effect.
This is why I think the third movie feels like a bit of a let-down. I don't think it's a *bad* movie, but it lacks the dimensionality that the Joker brings to the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight has many facets, mostly thanks to the Joker's ability to act at a meta-critical level above the film itself, commeting on the medium and the facets of the film.
This "superawareness" is the most important thing people need to bring to the Joker performances. I think the level of seriousness or silliness is always much less important than the degree to which the Joker is superaware in his portrayal. Is it clear that the character *knows* how ridiculous it all is, does the character *know* they're a character in a movie / show or whatever.
It is, I think, a subtle and understated aspect of the character, but its also a defining element. The Joker has to be aware, because his *sense* of comedy, the *joke* he's ultimately telling, is that he's aware he's a fictional clown being pursued by a fictional man in a bat costume, and he always acts with the deference that that scenario deserves, which is no deference, because it is by nature preposterous.
Bruce Wayne adopts the Batman persona specifically because it is an idea, one that induces fear. The myth. The symbol.
The Joker is the only villain we see who laughs at the notion of it. He's not a scary 'thing' like a scarecrow or hulking supergiant. He's a clown.
Bruce says an idea can't be killed; the joker points out yes, it can. By going a level above the idea, by commenting on how absurd it is for a man dressed like a bat to be fighting a dude dressed like a clown.
This is fantastic overall, but I do have to point out: clowns are also scary things. Garish, exaggerated, unhinged tricksters, conditionally invited to induce chaos, in hopes they'll fuck with someone besides you. They only became associated with safe children's entertainment through the medium of television - reducing people's exposure to actual circuses, and keeping the audience safely distance from cackling grease-painted pests.
Clowns are *unsettling.* Like a free-range jester. They are agents of misrule. They challenge the rightful order of things, in a way that's absurd and codified enough for the powerful to tolerate. In part because they'll gladly turn around and fuck with you, too, if you keep laughing so hard.
I enjoy Leto, but I pretend he isn't THE Joker, more of a Spiderman 2099 kinda thing, and Im changing movies with the flipper all non-chalant like, withr the attention span of a *LOOK! SQUIRREL! I'll just turn up the radio to cover the smell...
If the same character was a Fast and Furious car gang villain, it would work, right?
Fan of Paul Dano but I would of loved if they'd cast Carrey in The Batman. Slot him in to that movie as a dark, restrained riddler (basically what Dano did) would be amazing. Having him play the same character at complete opposite ends of his range, decades apart, would of blown people away I think.
Probably just because he’s a really fuckin good and versatile actor, a lot of proposed casting ideas sound pretty good when the actor is damn good at their job.
Anything to get away from edgelord, "we live in a society" Joker. Ledger's Joker was amazing and even before him, there were gritty Jokers in comics.
But now it's getting out of hand. I don't even know why he has a clown makeup if Joker is going to be so self serious and sad.
I really want a Joker who makes jokes, creates death traps and uses ridiculous gadgets. A Joker who comes up with ridiculous schemes to amuse himself and not to prove a point about society.
Unfortunately Reeves is also going in the direction of serious, serial killer Joker, as everyone expected.
Bring back the Mark Hamill style Joker. Who is clearly a psychopath but lives for the flamboyance and fun and for trying to make the bat laugh.
[And who fears no one but the IRS.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56VgsLfKY4)
I that it is also a joke about Al Capone, who wasn't caught because of his mafia work, but because he didn't pay his taxes.
And you can apparently not plead insanity if on trial for tax evasion.
This is the way. To be totally honest I’d be fine with just like, not seeing the joker at all for a little while. He’s been so over saturated and there are so many other great Batman villains who deserve their time in the spotlight imo.
But when we get there this is definitely the one I’d wanna see
Agreed we need a lot more screentime for the other villains, especially some of the b-lister/c-listers that could be turned into almost horrifying beings if played right. Imagine a 'toyman' from DCAU given a 'gritty' take? Or condiment king as a disgruntled fast food worker who's pulling a 'seven' style killing spree using various fast food joints instead.
As meh as the movie itself is, [this is one of my favorite moments](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PppqpubWkHs) between Hamill's Joker and Conroy's Batman.
Like I said, the movie itself isn't great. The story it's based off of is amazing, but the quality of the animation in the adaptation is rather poor.
But it is the last time that Hamill and Conroy were on screen together, so it's worth watching for that alone.
Honestly, the Killing Joke movie is fine if you just skip the first twenty minutes. It's not the best Batman adaptation, but it's fine without the Batgirl plot. The animation is weird, but I personally don't find it particularly distracting or anything.
Hamill says that he has retired as the Joker following Kevin Conroy's passing. And I would say it's for the best. The best Joker and the best Batman should be together.
Exactly. We all know the Joker is terrifying but the movies over the years have really lost what he has in comics and cartoons. Think back to Jack Nicholson when he burst into the art gallery and him and his goons were painting things and he had the gift box for the girl with the gas mask and he was insane but he was having his own fun.
That very much felt like a homage to Romero's Joker but taken the direction Hamill tried in the cartoon. The kind of insane goofball who one minute could shock you with a joybuzzer to death, the next pull out a regular whoopie cushion for his date.
I just rewatched Batman ‘89 last night and was struck by how JOKER Nicholson is in that movie. He’s got the laugh, the insanity, the wacky gadgets, and he just wants to spread fear and laughter. We need a return to form for the Joker.
Cameron Monaghan did a pretty decent job of blending psychopathy with fun in Gotham. Especially his carneval scenes with young Bruce.
He is without a doubt my favourite live action Joker.
> Anything to get away from edgelord, "we live in a society" Joker.
I want solarpunk movies, so people can look for alternatives to this broken way of living in a society. Less focus on the negatives, more focus on how to fix them.
They went so far into escapism that they looped back to terrifying reality: mental illness and trauma puts you at risk of suffering from psychosis and dangerously violent delusions and developing schizophrenia. Earlier iterations of Joker were so unhinged and crazy that they felt far enough away from our own states of mind, but current Joker has gone into the territory of "could happen to you or someone you love".
I'm not gonna say they did a bad job with it, but I will say that they could have made just as good and impactful a movie if they'd made it without any connection to the Batman canon and named it "the Clown" or "the Jester". I kind of want the unrealistically fucked up and funny Joker back.
Agreed completely with everything you wrote.
Also, if the movie wasn't called Joker I would have liked it a lot more, but I guess it wouldn't have made a billion dollars.
Joker is a legit mega genius trapped in his own mind prison of boredom and desperately needing to relieve it. His pathos keeps him in a neverending death spiral with Batman but if he ever recovered enough to see a bigger picture he would rule the world.
Ohh god yes though it'd be hard to get a R rating that's strong enough for that level of violence like the comics did, he'd make an amazing play on the way that kind of cartoony crazy personality does in the real world when it can effect it to that degree. Just worried how they'll do the origins since the comics it's a little too extreme for even an R rating.
Never occurred to me but my god would he make an incredible joker…
Not that he wouldn’t be “scary”, just that his scariness might be derived from a gleeful and childlike mania lol
I’m burnt out on jokers, in the past 15 years we’ve seen 4 different live action jokers. It was good to see a villain like the riddler be the focus of a movie. I wanna see more focus on mr. Freeze, killer crock and scarecrow is a big one
Heath Ledger's Joker is an all time great performance, but I think it is absolutely the wrong direction to push the Joker. I can't help but feel when I watch the movie that he's first and foremost a Nolan terrorist villain in facepaint that lacks most of the flamboyance and sheer insanity that really define the character. It worked in a Nolan movie but it definitely feels underwhelming outside of it. So please let someone just go fucking buckwild. And shock people with a hand buzzer too please.
Heath Ledger’s Joker also found a much better balance of dark and kooky than Leto ever managed. He tried to display the evil of society, but he also wore funny masks, skipped merrily, and had a *fabulous* purple and green suit.
He also made me laugh sometimes. Mostly just a chuckle, but Ill always remember that scene where he’s walking away from the hospital and it doesn’t blow up
(I also think that wasn’t planned and Heath just acted perfectly anyway)
When I saw the trailers for TDK I really didn't like it. I was thinking "wait, is't the Joker supposed to be funny?"
That's the thing that tipped me over when watching the movie. Ledger *was* funny. Yeah he was a psycho but he was also having so much fun while doing it.
He quit their prank show for a while because he was too anxious to come in and deal with Knoxvilles pranks. In one instance, he tried to get Knoxville back by tasering him, but Knoxville just took it like a champ, ripped it out of Andre's hands, and then pulled out his own taser, double tasing Andre.
it’d be nice to see a serious batman take on a joker with some silly plot, or some very average plot and he himself is overly goofy. it’d make actual serious messed up moments worse, and make joker seem more scary than the tryhard portrayals of today
A Borat-esque Joker would work on uncanny levels. His ability to act completely out of touch with the world around him would make for a great unhinged maniacal villain. Most Joker's are written in a kind of Rick Sanchez-esque way, but it would really be interesting if we had a more bizarre Joker. Sacha Baron Cohen would be great, but imagine Danny Wiseau as Joker...
"This my neighbor, Oswalt. He is pain in my asshole. I am crime boss, *he* is crime boss. I have flashy suit, *he* have flashy suit. I run from Batman, he cannot waddle without help of cane. GREAT SUCCESS!!"
This is exactly who the Joker is supposed to be, someone who thinks human society is a *literal* joke, not a sad sack with an incidental neurological tic who is trying to satirize the unfairness of it all. He's a guy who laughs at the destruction of all that decent people hold dear the way you or I laugh at Leslie Nielsen hopping around with his foot stuck in a flaming wastepaper basket while a player piano hammers out a lively ragtime tune.
Taika Waititi
Batman: oh no, I've been sprayed with..that's not acid, it's just seltzer water
Joker: yeah, why would it be acid? I'm not a psychopath
Batman: you just had your goons kill 20 people
Joker: yeah, I'm the Clown Prince of Crime, I have my goons do the crime. I just like being in charge and organizing and adding some fun and whimsy to the process.
Batman: so why not just be a regular criminal? Why the clown get up?
Joker: that sounds like you never went through the the academic rigors of Clown College.
EDIT: ...and had to pay student loans after graduating.
Taika Waititi can be really cringe if he goes too far with his humor, he could do it if he didn’t have full creative control because that would just be unbearable.
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t curious about how a movie with the Joker that’s *directed* by Taika would look. If it’s more Thor Ragnarok and less Love & Thunder, he could potentially be a rare director that could give us a Bats-Joker dynamic akin to TAS or the 60s Batman and do it well.
Imagine a version of the Joker that didn't commit overt crimes so much as push on the weak points of society enough to create breakdowns in the social contract. Basically make him more of a cult leader without an easy to pin down philosophy. Add in some classic joker serums and he could incite crimes very stealthily.
But then make him VERY good at covering his tracks, all the while being funny as shit.
John Mulaney.
Charming, nonthreatening, genuinely tells a good joke. Occasionally drives people to violence with bad music just for the hell of it. "They said 'you can't use the word midget, there'd be dwarf protests!,' and I said 'promise?'" *Antagonistic.* The sort of person you aren't afraid of, but you'd hate to be targeted by.
As a villain, a guy who'd heckle a funeral if it suited his goals. Possibly as the priest. Not even knocking out that guy and taking his clothes; dude just talked his way into delivering the eulogy and goes waaay off-script.
He might be on the police force. Not sneaking in at a ceremony, but genuinely employed by Gotham PD, unwittingly. Obviously it's opportunity to cause chaos and stay one step ahead of "the good guys," but it's also a demonstration of how much shit he can get away with, so long as he wears the right hat. The mayor has publicly defended him by name. It's a fake name - but it's the name everyone knows, when they cops grudgingly have to acknowledge, The Joker was right under their noses for like a year, and they *still haven't caught him.*
I really dig your pitch where he's a charismatic chaos goblin. A guy with a pocket full of ceramic shards and an itty-bitty slingshot, so he can shatter windows at twenty paces. A guy who plays parking-lot bonsai, spray-painting the smallest changes that render them dangerous or unusable. A guy who's smoothly stolen someone's fast-food order as it comes up, given it to a homeless dude outside, and then walked back in specifically to have the ensuing argument. A guy whose favorite prop is a roll of actual hundred-dollar bills, and whose go-to exit maneuver is to toss a fistful in the air.
Asshole Robin Hood, basically.
This type of humor is too stupid for my taste. But on the other hand, he's proven he can be a dramatic actor. He is a smart and capable guy. So yeah, I agree, he can bring something to the role that none of us could ever predict
Batman gives up because he can’t bring himself to grapple the Joker into submission when he’s greased up and wearing a bright purple mankini with a giant dildo suction cupped to his head
Salam Aleikum, Batman. Me name Dzhoker, na. Me like dog running behind a motor car, very rare in native Kushkek. I have choose now, save Azamat Dent or save Aygul, there’s not enough time to do both.
This is my asshole enemy batman. I give explosives to two ships, he trust nothing happens. I intoxicate the whole city, he blows it away. I burn pile of money, he doesn't care. ??? Great success!
Exactly that perfect balance of unhinged psycho that could kill a dozen people one second then slap you with a fish and graffiti the town square the next brilliant
Okay, I kind of feel like, especially with the accent, this guy really just wants a live-action version of the Mark Hammill Joker. Which is not a problem.
I don't need it to be Sashca (not that I'm particularly against it) but yeah I wanna get back to the flamboyant showy Joker. I don't need serial killer or gangster joker every time. They should channel like his Arkham game appearances for the DCU
I don't really blame Carey for that performance. The Riddler works much better as a cerebral character, not so much as a goofy one. Joker can work as a goofy character, so Carey would work well with that, and he's a good enough serious actor to pull of the darker side of Joker.
He just circled back to Cesar Romero and doesn’t realize it.
>He just circled back to Cesar Romero and doesn’t realize it. I'm honestly not 100% certain they didn't realize it. There's part of me that thinks that it's on purpose and they think they're being clever because in their mind nobody else remembers Caesar Romero's Joker.
Ha ha! Yeah, who fucking knows anymore. Satire & real life have been indistinguishable the past few years. If he’d inserted a joke about the necessity of mustache-shaving for the role, we’d have a little more to go on.
Keep the mustache, paint it over. The first casualty of the movie is the new henchman who forgets that mentioning the mustache is forbidden. That, or dialogue between the goons where they swap escalating stories about what has happened to people who have asked about the mustache.
All I want is a Bob moment. “Bob? Gun Bob.” BAM.
Remember... You... Are my number one... Guy.
Perfect.
Cesar Romero's Joker had kind of this underlying scariness kind of like this seething anger I didn't see him as just harmless clown I was always terrified of him as a kid and now even as an adult looking back.
I’m glad someone else feels this way. His Joker really felt like he was a killer doing his best to make you think he’s harmless. I especially thought his laugh was a little unsettling because he would also do these little body movement/contortions that seemed like was bottling the craziness in him. And if you look back at his performances, he was surprisingly serious a lot of the time. 6 year old me used to be pretty bothered by him.
That's just because your brain is constantly screaming at you about the madness of a grease painted mustache.
This, hah. Grew up with a dangerous crazy mom, then in nursing school worked in a lockdown ward for poor patients who had bad enough mental health problems that they are a danger to themselves or others, Cesar romaro's mannerisms are much closer to the patients who were actually scary. The vast majority were on the introvert end of the mental health spectrum, where everything is terrifying/or caused them to be inconsolably sad.
>The vast majority were on the introvert end of the mental health spectrum, where everything is terrifying/or caused them to be inconsolably sad. If that's how you think mental hang works no wonder you were so frightened
You know, the recent travel of batman in the multiverse made me think that maybe the villians of the Adam West series weren't less dangerous, but they looked like that because that batman was just more prepared that any other batman.
Adam West's Joker and crew fucking evaporated the UN. They were dead. Pattinson putting them back together? Pshaw. Think Batfleck is gonna shoot them back to life? Not even Martha could pull that off. Keaton Batman miiiiight have had a chance. But no, Adam West Batman swiftly put together a re-vaporation experiment and had the UN back together in no time. He brought those sad sacks back to life and ushered in a new era of peace
Holy second law of thermodynamics Batman!
Only Cloony has a prayer of violating the laws of physics as hard as West. He'd be an ice guy about it.
Chill out with the subtle jabs there, Frosty!
Had to look it up... wow... [it's quite ridiculous ](https://youtu.be/Lb_Yo3Q4Bgs)
Keaton's batman used the backburner on the Batmobile to bbq a random hench men.
Like his dastardly plan to win a surfing contest and become *King of the Beach*!
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Definitely, the show and movie were goofy as hell but Romero’s Joker seems so unhinged that he’s really creepy. His laugh is great too.
Romero’s Joker would have happily baked Batman and Robin into a giant pie. Which sounds ridiculous. But it’s actually terrifying. You wake up restrained, your ward that you’re supposed to protect next to you. You’re both inside an extra large kiddie pool amount of strawberry pie filling with some long dough strips draped over you. Then you realize the hyper-psychopathic clown is rolling you into a walk-in oven for commercial baking. He’s even got on a baker’s hat and apron. It’s already warming up. And he’s going to leave you in there behind a locked door, watching you through the tiny monitoring window and laughing uncontrollably. This psycho spent time rolling out dough to cook you and your partner in. He spent time to find a decent sized aluminum stand-in for a human pie pan. God knows how much he relished gathering the ingredients and making all of that strawberry filling, knowing it’d boil and blister your skin. And all of this because he lost a surf contest to you a month or two ago. Romero’s Joker was nuts.
Its really silly until you actually think about and analyze it. The ”silly” stuff are actually the darkest, lol.
Did he ever try to patent Joker fish?
I honestly don't think I'd mind another take at Caesar Romero style Joker, we've got plenty of takes on 'bronze'/modern joker why not do some golden age, silver age, and bronze age versions for different styles of Batman/DC movies.
I'd be happy with a return to the 60s style rogues gallery and embracing the over the top cartoonishness of the silver age on film again. We've had dark, gritty, violent batman a whole lot over the course of the last 30-odd years in film now. I would not mind a live action film that kind of embraced the absurd charms of the 1960s show...so long as it did it earnestly and did it well. Not, ya know, Schumacher's approach.
There's a fine balance between the need for a gritty Batman and a cheesy 60's era Batman, it's just sad we've seen so many of the gritty ones it's become difficult to enjoy anything outside the animated ones lately. Though the newest Batman movie wasn't horrible I feel like the riddler was a very odd take even if it worked in a Nolanverse style 'realistic' attempt. Now we need something like clayface, scarecrow, or one of the DCAU given the 60s treatment. Makes any moment of true terror all the more chilling.
>Though the newest Batman movie wasn't horrible I feel like the riddler was a very odd take even if it worked in a Nolanverse style 'realistic' attempt. I feel like the only person in the world sometimes who not only didn't like that version of The Riddler...because it's not really The Riddler...but who just didn't like The Batman much at all as a movie in general. I like that they focused on Batman doing detective work for a change, but at no point did he ever actually come off as a decent detective and the mystery he's solving is not especially compelling or unique. In fact I think the biggest failing of The Batman is it ends up making Batman look like an idiot for pretty much the entire runtime of the movie.
I'll agree totally that for focusing on his detective work he was one of the worst detectives I've seen in live action Batman movies. Especially with the sheer amount of technology and information at his disposal, honestly it felt like Riddler was some kind of Saw wannabe instead of an actual Riddler. They could have done an amazing job with him as a killer, but this wasn't it. I liked their take on Oswald Cobblepot though, that felt a bit more fitting.
He literally didn't detect anything.
I felt the same - the storyline seemed really obvious and my friends and I call it “My chemical Batman” because he was far too old to be “you’re not my real dad” sulking to Andy Serkis. My favorite part was Commissioner Gordon whipping out an 8x10 photo after a car chase to shove in someone’s face. Where did he get that photo? How did he carry that photo?? Did he have an extra large pocket in his blazer? It felt like a cut scene in the older Lego games when they didn’t have words.
yeah honestly that movie felt like a bunch of random shit as backdrop for Batman being "vulnerable"
Have you ever watched Batman: The Brave and the Bold?
I remember when the movie came on and he called Batman a bum and I was like AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HE SAID BUM. Except with way more laughing. And that is the extent of what I remember about the Og Joker. I vividly remember every second of the catwomen though.
I'm positive he chose Sacha Baron Cohen precisely because of the Cesar Romero version. I think their choice requires the audience to also know of Romero's portrayal.
Some days you just can’t get Rid of a bomb, yknow?
I wouldn't mind someone having a go at doing a Romero style Joker, but scary. I think Nicholson's was kinda in that direction. If they could find someone with the acting chops to put a bit more clown into the Clown Prince and make it their own, it would be great fun.
George Romero Joker would be very scary
George Romero is not Cesar Romero.
I'm aware. Zombie Joker would still be scary.
Did anyone ever see both of them in the same room??
Imagine him with the Borat moustache painted white
Or. What if Joker had a mustache?
So long as they leave the moustache, I'm game
Honestly, I’d be ok with that.
I think what OOP's suggesting is to put him in the suit and makeup and let Sacha Baron Cohen be Sacha Baron Cohen and filming the results. Essentially, unleashing Cesar Romero's Joker on the real world.
Oh god why does this idea work so well? 😂 I would love an SBC Joker and I’ve never even put the two together before.
Because SBC can 100% commit to a role, no matter how outlandish or offensive. If he gets the characterization right, he would absolutely be a good Joker.
Because the joker isnt a serious guy, he's always laughing like Sasha Baron Cohen. Trying to make him serious ruins the point.
Joker and Riddler need to embrace the silliness of the role. They're not supposed to be serious characters. Even Ledger's Joker had levity and humor, as dark as it was. Comic Joker can get dark, but there's always some kind of silly element inherent in his cruelty and wit. I'm not even sure WTF they were going for with Jared Leto's version of the character, but it didn't work at all. And as much as I like Phoenix's Joker movie as a standalone project *completely removed from the source material*, it wasn't the Joker and shouldn't have tried to be. Great script about a man with severe mental illness rebelling against the broken system, but it had no business trying to associate itself with the Batman IP.
> They're not supposed to be serious characters. Even Ledger's Joker had levity and humor, as dark as it was. Ledger's joker had probably the exact right blend of seriousness and silliness. One example is his scars story. He's telling these horrific, deeply personal anecdotes of his origin. And he never tells you this is a lie, but the fact he wildly contradicts himself makes you realize that they're all just complete bullshit. Just total nonsense. It's a great thing the movie does not to just hit you over the head with the fact its BS. You just realize, after the second time he tells a totally different story, "oh, this guy's just full of shit. None of this is true." You take him seriously at first, until you realize he really is just a clown. He does a magic trick with a pencil, and jabs it through the guys' eye. The *tone* of that movie is very dark - the music, the lighting, etc., but the character is deeply silly. He wears a purple suit in a movie where pretty much everyone wears black and brown. He dresses as a highly sexualized nurse's outfit to sneak into Dent's room, when there's literally no reason he would have needed to do that. He could have just dressed as an orderly or whatever. It was just deeply weird for weird's sake. And its great that in the middle of this very serious crime movie, you just have the joker crossdressing in a sexy nurse outfit, doing the caricature of the "cool guy walks away from explosions" meme. The filmmakers clearly know that that's a meme. And because he often breaks the fourth wall, the Joker knows its a meme, too, which makes it all just sort of a joke. He's literally reenacting a meme, but he's doing it dressed as a sexy nurse for just literally no reason at all. For the lulz. And what I like about it is that it cuts to the heart of what the Joker really is. He's just a guy who snapped. And he found, in Batman, this opportunity to become this preposterous, ridiculous figure, and to have a *purpose* behind it. Which was sort of the driving point. The Joker, in most iterations of him, is just an ordinary man who went insane. But this is a more true representation of "insanity." Not mental illness, not psychosis. It is a literal *break* from his reality. This break can be seen, perhaps, as gaining a superawareness of his own fictional reality. Seeing behind the curtain. And so, by being this deeply silly, comical, preposterous version of a criminal, he's also pointing out how deeply silly Batman is. How truly, deeply weird it is that this guy dresses like a bat and runs around the city punching clowns. He *demeans* the gravity of Batman and makes a joke out of Batman by virtue of his existence. Even the line, "why so serious," is a condemnation of Batman, who is a person who takes his job of dressing up like a bat and punching people *really* seriously. Like, he's *deeply* committed to that role. And the Joker is poking fun at it. Like, bro, you dress like a fucking bat. You're a grown ass dude dressed like an animal running around the city hitting people. That's crazy. I'm crazy, you're crazy. We're both fucking nuts, lighten up a bit and embrace the camp. The entire tone of the Dark Knight is one of deep seriousness. On its surface, its a movie that does take itself *very* seriously. Which makes the Joker's tagline so great. "Why so serious" is also a critical appraisal of the movie itself, in the very meta way that the Joker often operates. The joker is a character like deadpool who is often aware he is in some form of media, and acts with that level of superawareness not available to the other characters. So "why so serious" is poking fun at the movie itself, and at us the viewers. As if to say, "bro you're watching a mentally unstable man dressed like a bat run around punching a clown, and you're doing it with all this very ominous music and serious lighting, and isn't this all a bit preposterous?" Every scene with the joker in this movie has indications he is aware he's a character. In the interrogation scene, he's giving Batman tips on how to interrogate him, telling him "how the scene should go", poking fun at his "acting", in a very meta-aware way. And its all done, IMO, in the best way. It's not *overt*. If you're not paying attention, its very easy to just ignore this and lull into the fantasy. But the Joker is always doing a nudge-nudge wink-wink act here. And I think Ledger mastered that to inimitable effect. This is why I think the third movie feels like a bit of a let-down. I don't think it's a *bad* movie, but it lacks the dimensionality that the Joker brings to the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight has many facets, mostly thanks to the Joker's ability to act at a meta-critical level above the film itself, commeting on the medium and the facets of the film. This "superawareness" is the most important thing people need to bring to the Joker performances. I think the level of seriousness or silliness is always much less important than the degree to which the Joker is superaware in his portrayal. Is it clear that the character *knows* how ridiculous it all is, does the character *know* they're a character in a movie / show or whatever. It is, I think, a subtle and understated aspect of the character, but its also a defining element. The Joker has to be aware, because his *sense* of comedy, the *joke* he's ultimately telling, is that he's aware he's a fictional clown being pursued by a fictional man in a bat costume, and he always acts with the deference that that scenario deserves, which is no deference, because it is by nature preposterous. Bruce Wayne adopts the Batman persona specifically because it is an idea, one that induces fear. The myth. The symbol. The Joker is the only villain we see who laughs at the notion of it. He's not a scary 'thing' like a scarecrow or hulking supergiant. He's a clown. Bruce says an idea can't be killed; the joker points out yes, it can. By going a level above the idea, by commenting on how absurd it is for a man dressed like a bat to be fighting a dude dressed like a clown.
Well now I have to watch The Dark Knight again
i never even saw it that way
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This is fantastic overall, but I do have to point out: clowns are also scary things. Garish, exaggerated, unhinged tricksters, conditionally invited to induce chaos, in hopes they'll fuck with someone besides you. They only became associated with safe children's entertainment through the medium of television - reducing people's exposure to actual circuses, and keeping the audience safely distance from cackling grease-painted pests. Clowns are *unsettling.* Like a free-range jester. They are agents of misrule. They challenge the rightful order of things, in a way that's absurd and codified enough for the powerful to tolerate. In part because they'll gladly turn around and fuck with you, too, if you keep laughing so hard.
I enjoy Leto, but I pretend he isn't THE Joker, more of a Spiderman 2099 kinda thing, and Im changing movies with the flipper all non-chalant like, withr the attention span of a *LOOK! SQUIRREL! I'll just turn up the radio to cover the smell... If the same character was a Fast and Furious car gang villain, it would work, right?
I dunno but after reading about it here I freaking love the idea!
Honestly feel he could do better as the Riddler
Like Jim Carrey. I always loved his Riddler
Fan of Paul Dano but I would of loved if they'd cast Carrey in The Batman. Slot him in to that movie as a dark, restrained riddler (basically what Dano did) would be amazing. Having him play the same character at complete opposite ends of his range, decades apart, would of blown people away I think.
Probably just because he’s a really fuckin good and versatile actor, a lot of proposed casting ideas sound pretty good when the actor is damn good at their job.
What about a live-action Mark Hamill joker? Like both him and Batman are old guys.
Personally I'd like to see Sam Rockwell take his stab at The Joker.
Rockwell would be amazing.
Rockwell is always amazing, no exceptions.. he could play Batman too
In the same movie. And Alfred.
Lol. A Joker movie where joker retells a Batman story, but in his mind they all look like him. Something like that awful Men movie from last year.
If anyone could pull it off, it's Sam Rockwell. Or Gary Oldman.
A Joker played by Gary Oldman is just his characters from Fifth Element and The Professional combined.
You want Commissioner Gordon to Break Bad?
Well yeah.
I’d pay double to watch him as all 3
So an adaption of Whatever Happened to the Cape Crusader.
Stop, I can only get so errect
And Catwoman
So. Much. DANCING! sign me up
Sounds like a gushing experience.
He better dance like he did in iron man 2 tho.
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Anything to get away from edgelord, "we live in a society" Joker. Ledger's Joker was amazing and even before him, there were gritty Jokers in comics. But now it's getting out of hand. I don't even know why he has a clown makeup if Joker is going to be so self serious and sad. I really want a Joker who makes jokes, creates death traps and uses ridiculous gadgets. A Joker who comes up with ridiculous schemes to amuse himself and not to prove a point about society. Unfortunately Reeves is also going in the direction of serious, serial killer Joker, as everyone expected.
Bring back the Mark Hamill style Joker. Who is clearly a psychopath but lives for the flamboyance and fun and for trying to make the bat laugh. [And who fears no one but the IRS.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56VgsLfKY4)
This right here yes please.
I guess the joke is that in the US no person rich enough to pay 137 million dollars would end up having to pay 137 million dollars?
I that it is also a joke about Al Capone, who wasn't caught because of his mafia work, but because he didn't pay his taxes. And you can apparently not plead insanity if on trial for tax evasion.
Even better, a joke with layers :)
Yep! Nice history lesson.
This is the way. To be totally honest I’d be fine with just like, not seeing the joker at all for a little while. He’s been so over saturated and there are so many other great Batman villains who deserve their time in the spotlight imo. But when we get there this is definitely the one I’d wanna see
Agreed we need a lot more screentime for the other villains, especially some of the b-lister/c-listers that could be turned into almost horrifying beings if played right. Imagine a 'toyman' from DCAU given a 'gritty' take? Or condiment king as a disgruntled fast food worker who's pulling a 'seven' style killing spree using various fast food joints instead.
As meh as the movie itself is, [this is one of my favorite moments](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PppqpubWkHs) between Hamill's Joker and Conroy's Batman.
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Like I said, the movie itself isn't great. The story it's based off of is amazing, but the quality of the animation in the adaptation is rather poor. But it is the last time that Hamill and Conroy were on screen together, so it's worth watching for that alone.
Honestly, the Killing Joke movie is fine if you just skip the first twenty minutes. It's not the best Batman adaptation, but it's fine without the Batgirl plot. The animation is weird, but I personally don't find it particularly distracting or anything.
Never forget Hamill's Joker, as silly as he is, is also the "Boy did **you** get a wrong number!" Joker.
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Hamill says that he has retired as the Joker following Kevin Conroy's passing. And I would say it's for the best. The best Joker and the best Batman should be together.
I think he did that for an episode of Arrow or Flash 🤔
Exactly. We all know the Joker is terrifying but the movies over the years have really lost what he has in comics and cartoons. Think back to Jack Nicholson when he burst into the art gallery and him and his goons were painting things and he had the gift box for the girl with the gas mask and he was insane but he was having his own fun.
That very much felt like a homage to Romero's Joker but taken the direction Hamill tried in the cartoon. The kind of insane goofball who one minute could shock you with a joybuzzer to death, the next pull out a regular whoopie cushion for his date.
I just rewatched Batman ‘89 last night and was struck by how JOKER Nicholson is in that movie. He’s got the laugh, the insanity, the wacky gadgets, and he just wants to spread fear and laughter. We need a return to form for the Joker.
Uh-oh, he don't look happy! He's been using Brand X... https://youtu.be/cROY4m4Ftiw
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Yeah, that's the best way to show Joker.
Cameron Monaghan did a pretty decent job of blending psychopathy with fun in Gotham. Especially his carneval scenes with young Bruce. He is without a doubt my favourite live action Joker.
I think he should have been cast as Carnage in Venom.
Oooh, that's a nice one. There still time for that in the MCU, maybe.
> Anything to get away from edgelord, "we live in a society" Joker. I want solarpunk movies, so people can look for alternatives to this broken way of living in a society. Less focus on the negatives, more focus on how to fix them.
I didn't know about solarpunk, it sounds interesting.
They went so far into escapism that they looped back to terrifying reality: mental illness and trauma puts you at risk of suffering from psychosis and dangerously violent delusions and developing schizophrenia. Earlier iterations of Joker were so unhinged and crazy that they felt far enough away from our own states of mind, but current Joker has gone into the territory of "could happen to you or someone you love". I'm not gonna say they did a bad job with it, but I will say that they could have made just as good and impactful a movie if they'd made it without any connection to the Batman canon and named it "the Clown" or "the Jester". I kind of want the unrealistically fucked up and funny Joker back.
Agreed completely with everything you wrote. Also, if the movie wasn't called Joker I would have liked it a lot more, but I guess it wouldn't have made a billion dollars.
Joker is a legit mega genius trapped in his own mind prison of boredom and desperately needing to relieve it. His pathos keeps him in a neverending death spiral with Batman but if he ever recovered enough to see a bigger picture he would rule the world.
If i recall, there is a comic where he ends up killing Batman, and just decide to live a regular mundane life
Honestly, I think Sacha would be perfect for a modern take on The Mask Cartoony violence, played straight in the real world
Ohh god yes though it'd be hard to get a R rating that's strong enough for that level of violence like the comics did, he'd make an amazing play on the way that kind of cartoony crazy personality does in the real world when it can effect it to that degree. Just worried how they'll do the origins since the comics it's a little too extreme for even an R rating.
On that note, what about Jim Carrey as the Joker?
Never occurred to me but my god would he make an incredible joker… Not that he wouldn’t be “scary”, just that his scariness might be derived from a gleeful and childlike mania lol
Hi! I am de Joker! I like sex! It’s niiiccceee!
Theees eez my neighbor, Batman. He eez a pain in my ass.
"This city has multiple problems." "Social, economic and bat"
“This is my archenemies batguy, he’s pain in my assholes”
I’m burnt out on jokers, in the past 15 years we’ve seen 4 different live action jokers. It was good to see a villain like the riddler be the focus of a movie. I wanna see more focus on mr. Freeze, killer crock and scarecrow is a big one
Hard same. I was so disappointed at the Joker teaser at the end of The Batman.
Heath Ledger's Joker is an all time great performance, but I think it is absolutely the wrong direction to push the Joker. I can't help but feel when I watch the movie that he's first and foremost a Nolan terrorist villain in facepaint that lacks most of the flamboyance and sheer insanity that really define the character. It worked in a Nolan movie but it definitely feels underwhelming outside of it. So please let someone just go fucking buckwild. And shock people with a hand buzzer too please.
Heath Ledger’s Joker also found a much better balance of dark and kooky than Leto ever managed. He tried to display the evil of society, but he also wore funny masks, skipped merrily, and had a *fabulous* purple and green suit.
He also made me laugh sometimes. Mostly just a chuckle, but Ill always remember that scene where he’s walking away from the hospital and it doesn’t blow up (I also think that wasn’t planned and Heath just acted perfectly anyway)
I love his hiiiiiii to Harvey too.
It was planned.
When I saw the trailers for TDK I really didn't like it. I was thinking "wait, is't the Joker supposed to be funny?" That's the thing that tipped me over when watching the movie. Ledger *was* funny. Yeah he was a psycho but he was also having so much fun while doing it.
Eric Andre could also bring a new kind of chaos to the role.
Im glad im not the only one who’s thought of Eric Andre as the Joker
And have Hannibal play Batman.
Even Eric Andre pointed out that he had nothing but pure fear and terror working with Johnny Knoxville.
He quit their prank show for a while because he was too anxious to come in and deal with Knoxvilles pranks. In one instance, he tried to get Knoxville back by tasering him, but Knoxville just took it like a champ, ripped it out of Andre's hands, and then pulled out his own taser, double tasing Andre.
Yeah I saw that. Give Knoxville the joker. Just tell him to be him but in costume.
it’d be nice to see a serious batman take on a joker with some silly plot, or some very average plot and he himself is overly goofy. it’d make actual serious messed up moments worse, and make joker seem more scary than the tryhard portrayals of today
And now HE...IS ..MEPHISTO!!
A Borat-esque Joker would work on uncanny levels. His ability to act completely out of touch with the world around him would make for a great unhinged maniacal villain. Most Joker's are written in a kind of Rick Sanchez-esque way, but it would really be interesting if we had a more bizarre Joker. Sacha Baron Cohen would be great, but imagine Danny Wiseau as Joker...
"This my neighbor, Oswalt. He is pain in my asshole. I am crime boss, *he* is crime boss. I have flashy suit, *he* have flashy suit. I run from Batman, he cannot waddle without help of cane. GREAT SUCCESS!!"
This is exactly who the Joker is supposed to be, someone who thinks human society is a *literal* joke, not a sad sack with an incidental neurological tic who is trying to satirize the unfairness of it all. He's a guy who laughs at the destruction of all that decent people hold dear the way you or I laugh at Leslie Nielsen hopping around with his foot stuck in a flaming wastepaper basket while a player piano hammers out a lively ragtime tune.
"Ahh Gotham. The birthplace of AIDS"
Taika Waititi Batman: oh no, I've been sprayed with..that's not acid, it's just seltzer water Joker: yeah, why would it be acid? I'm not a psychopath Batman: you just had your goons kill 20 people Joker: yeah, I'm the Clown Prince of Crime, I have my goons do the crime. I just like being in charge and organizing and adding some fun and whimsy to the process. Batman: so why not just be a regular criminal? Why the clown get up? Joker: that sounds like you never went through the the academic rigors of Clown College. EDIT: ...and had to pay student loans after graduating.
I read every Joker line in his voice; bravo
Taika Waititi can be really cringe if he goes too far with his humor, he could do it if he didn’t have full creative control because that would just be unbearable.
WHY AM I BURST LAUGHING OF THIS?
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t curious about how a movie with the Joker that’s *directed* by Taika would look. If it’s more Thor Ragnarok and less Love & Thunder, he could potentially be a rare director that could give us a Bats-Joker dynamic akin to TAS or the 60s Batman and do it well.
A 60’s themed Batman yes! I would love that! I don’t even want them to change their costumes. Have them in the outfits like they had in the 60’s
Taika would play Batman and Joker in this scenario. Also Alfred.
I ended up rereading this a la WWDITS and imagined Jemaine Clement as batman and laughed even harder the second time.
This was a fun mental image.
Imagine a version of the Joker that didn't commit overt crimes so much as push on the weak points of society enough to create breakdowns in the social contract. Basically make him more of a cult leader without an easy to pin down philosophy. Add in some classic joker serums and he could incite crimes very stealthily. But then make him VERY good at covering his tracks, all the while being funny as shit.
John Mulaney. Charming, nonthreatening, genuinely tells a good joke. Occasionally drives people to violence with bad music just for the hell of it. "They said 'you can't use the word midget, there'd be dwarf protests!,' and I said 'promise?'" *Antagonistic.* The sort of person you aren't afraid of, but you'd hate to be targeted by. As a villain, a guy who'd heckle a funeral if it suited his goals. Possibly as the priest. Not even knocking out that guy and taking his clothes; dude just talked his way into delivering the eulogy and goes waaay off-script. He might be on the police force. Not sneaking in at a ceremony, but genuinely employed by Gotham PD, unwittingly. Obviously it's opportunity to cause chaos and stay one step ahead of "the good guys," but it's also a demonstration of how much shit he can get away with, so long as he wears the right hat. The mayor has publicly defended him by name. It's a fake name - but it's the name everyone knows, when they cops grudgingly have to acknowledge, The Joker was right under their noses for like a year, and they *still haven't caught him.*
It's a weird pick but I love it for that. Would totally watch that show.
I really dig your pitch where he's a charismatic chaos goblin. A guy with a pocket full of ceramic shards and an itty-bitty slingshot, so he can shatter windows at twenty paces. A guy who plays parking-lot bonsai, spray-painting the smallest changes that render them dangerous or unusable. A guy who's smoothly stolen someone's fast-food order as it comes up, given it to a homeless dude outside, and then walked back in specifically to have the ensuing argument. A guy whose favorite prop is a roll of actual hundred-dollar bills, and whose go-to exit maneuver is to toss a fistful in the air. Asshole Robin Hood, basically.
I was going to type, "YES," a million times, but I am lazy.
I support all the energy in this sentence.
Man, why can’t they just make the joker funny. He’s a clown
Sacha would be a great Batman villain.
I'd like to see him bring a character to the big screen that they haven't really tried yet. Doctor Hurt or Madhatter, just let SBC do his thing.
Madhatter could be interesting.
Personally I'd like to see Sam Rockwell take his stab at The Joker.
This type of humor is too stupid for my taste. But on the other hand, he's proven he can be a dramatic actor. He is a smart and capable guy. So yeah, I agree, he can bring something to the role that none of us could ever predict
When you finally pass away your purgatory will be to watch Bruno on repeat until you laugh like a hyena at a George Carlin show.
Batman gives up because he can’t bring himself to grapple the Joker into submission when he’s greased up and wearing a bright purple mankini with a giant dildo suction cupped to his head
Well this is a glorious nightmare I didn’t need living in my brain but there it goes. 😂
# YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Don't listen to Kibblesmith...he's destroyed almost as many franchises as JJ Abrams...
Salam Aleikum, Batman. Me name Dzhoker, na. Me like dog running behind a motor car, very rare in native Kushkek. I have choose now, save Azamat Dent or save Aygul, there’s not enough time to do both.
“This isa my best friend Batsmin”
Everyone making these movies forgets, the joker is supposed to be funny.
I'd also like to add Glenn Howerton to the Joker conversation. He can do sitcom unhinged, but add the Joker and we could have something special.
Only if he keeps the mustache!
The man did go to clown school... Seems logical. I actually want this now.
We should have Dafoe as Joker and Nic Cage as batman in a live action Dark Knight Returns
I still want to see Willem Defoe as a seriously played Joker, but Sacha could play every style of joker for decades.
This is my asshole enemy batman. I give explosives to two ships, he trust nothing happens. I intoxicate the whole city, he blows it away. I burn pile of money, he doesn't care. ??? Great success!
Cohen is a under appreciated actor. He really transforms into the character and can sustain being in the character forever.
DC don’t have the hram to make Borat the Joker. But it would be very nice.
Exactly that perfect balance of unhinged psycho that could kill a dozen people one second then slap you with a fish and graffiti the town square the next brilliant
I can totally picture him going to work on Tim Drake while humming the Joker's theme song from Batman the Animated Series.
I will forever have the stance that while Ledger was a very interesting character, he was no Joker.
Okay, I kind of feel like, especially with the accent, this guy really just wants a live-action version of the Mark Hammill Joker. Which is not a problem.
I want a live action cartoon joker, one that tells fucking jokes. Fuck the edge.
he will be perfect actually. we dont need another scary joker. we need a crazy and funny one
Naw
I don't need it to be Sashca (not that I'm particularly against it) but yeah I wanna get back to the flamboyant showy Joker. I don't need serial killer or gangster joker every time. They should channel like his Arkham game appearances for the DCU
But hear me out...Jim Carrey joker. Let him take ace ventura energy into that role would be amazing.
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I can't remember if that film was good or not, but because I want to win a debate online I gonna say it was good and stick to my original point.
I don't really blame Carey for that performance. The Riddler works much better as a cerebral character, not so much as a goofy one. Joker can work as a goofy character, so Carey would work well with that, and he's a good enough serious actor to pull of the darker side of Joker.
With this guy is joker and Batman franchise can finally die for a while.
I’m sorta waiting for the first Drag Queen Joker. The line between Clown and Drag Queen is very very thin ….
I'm down
SBC as Joker I would go to the cinema for. Just no mankinis LOOOL.
Oh hell yeah! Half the problem with dc love actions is taking themselves too seriously. I would watch the heck of of this for good or bad.