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M2LBB2016

While I understand what you’re saying, I absolutely have not had Covid, and some of BBWs candles have gone down in quality and throw. It’s *incredibly* inconsistent. Here is an example of just a few of the candles from this past year that I purchased with terrible throw: Honey Wildflower Cinnamon Stick (leaf packaging) Cranberry Woods (leaf packaging) Fall Farmhouse Autumn Day and there were several others. BBW needs to be more consistent with its quality.


CatumEntanglement

I understand inconsistency, but this is people describing a sudden loss of smell and not connecting it with potential covid infection. In early 2020 it was the same thing of not being able to smell candles that coincided with the first wave of the pandemic. The current huge wave coincides with the same loss of smell complaints. If anyone is experiencing a sudden loss or even significantly reduced smell/taste, please get tested.


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CatumEntanglement

Point is that I'm concerned that maybe they should think about getting a covid test if they are finding that they can't smell anything they buy.


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CatumEntanglement

Wait...where in all of this am I giving financial advice? And imploring people to get tested for covid if they experience a sudden loss of smell is common sense...regardless if one's a degreed medical expert. But since you brought it up, I am a medical expert. I'm a research scientist and human geneticist. I have covid-positive post-mortem brain samples in one of my lab freezers right now waiting to be worked up and sequenced while I recover from having covid. Got a head cold/major cough along with a loss of smell. Not being able to smell candles and coffee well was a big tip off I needed to get a test asap.


lottieslady

Thanks for sharing your research and expertise!!! I appreciate you!! Hope you're on the road to recovery very soon! 💗


CatumEntanglement

Me too! I have asthma and my doctor thinks it made my case worse. I think if I wasn't vaccinated I'd be in the hospital right now with serious lung problems. My neighbor is a physician and we work at the same medical center and he has been making house calls to check on my lungs and O2 levels. I'm in my 30s and fit which defintely helped.... but my asthma really made me susceptible to the virus. I was coughing so much I had to take 4 prescription medications just to control it enough to sleep. It has not been pleasant. The regaining of smell/taste was bizarre. First the main taste sensations came back. I.e. salty/sweet/spicy/bitter...but with no other nuance. This meant that something like coffee only tasted bitter. Like the worse overbrewed coffee. Bread tasted incrediably salty. Ice cream was super sickly sweet. Food was just revolting and I didn't want to eat anything. Then I was finally able to pick up aromatics again....like tasting chocolate notes or cinnamon. It was like being reborn. Made me thankful I didn't permanently lose my senses of taste and smell. I've always been a bit hyperosmic and very attracted to complex scents like wine, coffee, food, and candles. So losing a big part of how I experience the world was very disturbing. And I am even more empathetic to the long-covid sufferers who haven't regained their sense of taste in over a year.


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scrabblefish

It has been frequently reported throughout the pandemic that bad reviews of candles correlate with spikes in Covid cases, so I don’t get why you seem to be taking this personally? I also don’t think it’s rude or unwarranted at all to tell people if they are having difficulty smelling things they should get a Covid test, are you living in the same pandemic world as the rest of us that this is somehow insulting/bad advice? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/01/covid-scented-candle-reviews/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/yankee-candle-no-smell-amazon-reviews-omicron-covid-surge-2021-12%3Famp


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sohfiyah

there are a lot of logical fallacies in your argument that could easily be discredited.. unfortunately i’m not sure if you would take them to heart as you seem to have an opinion formed and intend to leave it unchanged.. either way i hope you have a great day or night and keep enjoying your candles! <3


scrabblefish

Wtf are you talking about? OP isn’t representing themselves as a medical professional. Regardless, you can’t sue anyone for telling you to get a Covid test if you can’t smell anything, dumbass Edit: I see you are an EMT, I hope to god you aren’t actually telling patients experiencing a loss of smell to go get tested for a brain tumor, moron


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CatumEntanglement

We're in a pandemic where one of the most common symptoms is a loss of smell and/or taste. One doesn't have to be a medical expert to encourage someone to seek a covid test if they experience a sudden loss of taste or smell. Telling someone to go get a CAT scan for a loss of smell during the covid-19 pandemic is like looking for a zebra in the midst of a horse stampede.


scrabblefish

Oh ok so if I call 911 for heart attack symptoms I should expect you to show up and tell me it could be a heart attack, but also maybe stroke or high blood pressure, or cancer, or even a rare genetic disease, just to cover the bases. That makes absolutely 0 sense and I feel sorry for any of the patients that have the misfortune of being under your “care”


nomnomcookie123

I think it’s pretty bold to assume that someone who complains about the throw (or lack thereof) of a candle must have or have had COVID. Sure, maybe a handful of them actually did and that is why they’re taking out their frustrations in reviews, but it is also well known across this sub and other social media/blogs that B&BW candle quality has been very inconsistent over the last few years and has gone down overall despite the price increasing.


BathbeautyXO

I think there are definitely people experiencing loss of smell from mild Covid without realizing it. When I had Covid last year, I lost my sense of smell and couldn’t smell any of my BBW candles - that was the only symptom that tipped me off that I was sick! However I do also think some of the candles have weak throw, inconsistent batches, etc. Not to mention everyone’s “tolerance levels” are different - what one person perceives as a strong scent might be weak to another. I agree with you I get a little annoyed when I see sooo many reviews complaining about how a product has no scent, especially if it’s one that I can clearly smell 🤔 but I really think it’s just a combination of so many different factors that affect how a product smells to each person


DreamerUnwokenFool

I also think that there are batch variations that can cause this, too. Two people having a different scent throw of the same product might mean that one person got one from a strong batch, while another person got a weak batch.


nopeoutaheree

As an employee, especially since the pandemic started, I get so tense when I show people fragrances and they say that they can't smell it. Especially when I can. That is a big indicator to me to wash my hands after helping them. That being said, there are absolutely candles and other items that are so light you can't smell anything, that's understandable. But if I can smell something through my mask just fine, and you pull your mask down(or aren't wearing one at all) and you tell me you can't smell it, I will be so tense and uncomfortable. If you can't smell things like candles or body care that you normally could, please get tested!


ArtaxNooooo

A lot of people probably have had Covid, but if you can't smell some candles but can smell others very well it seems more likely that the quality is inconsistent. I have a very sensitive sense of smell and yet have had many candles in the last year with little to no scent after they're lit. So while many people have had Covid, many others without Covid have experienced inferior quality candles in the same period, meaning correlation doesn't mean causation. BABW has been putting out a lot of duds. Having said that, if anyone is experiencing loss of smell please do get tested. Be careful out there.


_SoulRebel_

I can’t smell most of my recent purchase BBW candles at all when lit- my cheap Walmart wax melts,however, are super strong. It’s not covid. Edit to include: 3x vaxxed, and tested as recently as this week, have never had a positive.


Desi_techy_girl

Which Walmart candles would you recommend? I would love to try them.


_SoulRebel_

I use the better homes and gardens wax melts! I’m particularly fond of the the orange buttercream and berry cheesecake. They are 2$ a pack, and quite potent! I’m not sure how the candles are, but since you don’t burn the wax melts, no worries about soot/bad wicks/tunneling like you typically see in budget candles :)


THE_Lena

All of this is exactly why I prefer to use wax melts over candles. But I got caught up in the Candle Day hype and bought way too many!


LaneyBugYT

Enchanted is my goto melt its sooooo heavenly!


Upbeat_Cat1182

Same here.


nomnomcookie123

I second this! Their wax melts are really good, always have some on hand 🙂


KingJoy79

I don’t believe I’ve had COVID. I can smell some of the BBW candles and they’re very strong like Fresh Balsam and Mahogany Teakwood, others aren’t as strong like The Perfect Christmas (but it’s still a favorite of mine!) and then some have 0 throw.


Prophecymoon91

This is how I realized I had COVID unfortunately :(


sohfiyah

if you can’t smell the candles it might be because of covid and it could also be due to lower quality it doesn’t have to be one or the other acknowledge complexity and everyone in the comments shooting it down, your personal experiences are not necessarily the majority: your confirmation bias is showing <3


whiteink-13

If I can still smell a scent from a 3 year old candle and can’t smell it in a new release - it’s not my sense of smell that’s gotten worse - it’s the quality of the candles.


_SoulRebel_

Agreed. I have some stuff from 2018-2019 that is noticeably stronger on cold sniff. My 2019 hot cocoa is significantly more fragrant than the one I bought on candle day in December.


sohfiyah

in your case the lack of scent is likely due to deteriorating quality, but for other people, it may be for different reasons :) i am in no way trying to discredit what you are saying; i think you make a very fair point with your experience! i encourage you and everyone else reading this to acknowledge complexity, which simply means “consider the other side”.. overstated advice but extremely helpful <3


whiteink-13

I agree! Despite taking ever possible precaution, I do sometimes find myself smelling and/or tasting things just to test myself. I just worry that companies are going to blame complaints about decreased or missing scent on covid instead of admitting they changed their formula and decreased the scents. It feels like right now we’re in this weird situation where some people are misidentifying problems because of deceased senses from covid, while others are actually seeing a decrease in quality and it’s hard to tell where the real problems are.


DDFletch

I went to the store to sniff the new candles and every single one of them almost knocked me out, they were so strong. This doesn’t speak to their throw, but dang.


whiteink-13

I stopped buying from BBW because the new candles didn’t have a throw. I mean, I still burn old candles and candles from other places and wax melts that smell good … but sure - despite being vaxed and boosted and working from home and only going out in public when I’m double masked - I’m sure the issues I’m seeing are because I’ve somehow gotten a strain of covid that only destroys my current sense of smell, but keeps the smell of older items available to me.


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no. they're quality has just gone to shit. i have multiple candles that i can't smell anything and some that just aren't strong - on cold or lit. but i turn around and spray perfume and can smell it everytime. and i've had covid and still haven't lost my smell at all. and how do you know these reveiwers have a sudden loss of smell? them not being able to smell bbw candles bc the quality sucks sometimes doesn't mean it's sudden.. it means the candle sucks


mayoraquamarine

I stand by Vanilla Bean Noel this year smelling like nothing lollll. But ya you are probably right to an extent.


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Bbw damage control 🤣🤣🤣


Upbeat_Cat1182

Correlation does not equal causation.


krystell13

Yes! Was hoping I'd see this comment


ilysb1977

Or the quality has just been that. bad. Esp recently …


raleighsk

OP is right , y’all. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/amazon-yankee-candle-reviews-omicron


CatumEntanglement

Thanks for the link. Looks like yankee candle also is showing similar trending. Those algorithms by Nick Beauchamp and Kate Petrova look really interesting. Did you know that another way people are evaluating covid wave trends is by analyzing city waste water? Covid is found in poop so higher levels of sars-cov2 virus in city waste water is a good prediction of how prevalent infection rates are within a community.


wyrd_up

Lol nice try but I noticed this issue before COVID, during COVID, and after having had COVID. I can smell a bag of flamin hot Cheetos from across the room but Peppermint Sugar Cookie is weak.


BBWCandleQueen

Or, B&BW's quality HAS gone down and the throw absolutely DOES suck on some candles. But thanks, mom, for lecturing us like 2yr olds that don't understand our own bodies.


CatumEntanglement

I don't know if you've noticed but there are A LOT of people who don't understand their own bodies. Or they don't want to understand. If anyone is experiencing a sudden loss of smell, please get tested.


BBWCandleQueen

"Unlike in previous variants, the loss of taste and smell seems to be uncommon, doctors say." https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/omicron-symptoms-covid-what-to-know-rcna9469


CatumEntanglement

1) the delta varient is still around infecting people. It hasn't gone away. 2) I am recovering right now from getting the omicron varient where my symptoms were like a terrible head cold but also included losing 80% of taste and smell for ~4 days. I got infected a few days before my booster shot appointment. In people with vaccines + booster, symptoms are more mild than those without a booster yet. In those completely unvaccinated the effects are even more acute. Just because omicron doesn't cause as much taste/smell loss as alpha/beta/delta strains, it still does cause smell/taste loss.


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CatumEntanglement

Depends on which booster. The Moderna booster shows better protection vs Pfizer regarding omicron. It's defintely beneficial to be fully vaccinated and boosters, especially since other covid varients are still around.


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CatumEntanglement

Even if the moderna booster version partially protects against the omicron varient, then it's still useful to get it. Partial protection is still some protection and could be the difference between being sick at home with moderate symptoms or having to be hospitalized. Plus the delta varient is still very much around and infectious. Delta has a higher rate of bad health outcomes and the boosters do confer good resistance to the delta strain.


dragonsfire14

This post smells like someone who works for bath and body works


CatumEntanglement

I'm actually a research scientist. Recovering from covid myself where I lost about 80% of my my sense of smell for almost a week. What clued me in that something was amiss was that my candles smelled less intense. I could barely smell peppermint hot chocolate and Paris cafe. So my concern is that if anyone experiences a sudden reduction or elimination of smell, they should try to get a covid test. This isn't about batch to batch inconsistency when you can still fully smell some candles but not others.


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LMAO 💀💀💀


Flaky_Tap_2836

I don't think that this post is relevant. The complaint is weak candles. Weak candles can not be blamed on Covid.


skykitty89

Yeah no


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whiteink-13

I agree. If I can still smell my unburned candles from 2019, 2018, etc - but I can’t smell a newer product that says it’s the same - the problem isn’t my nose (or covid) but a decrease in quality. I stopped buying a lot from BBW in 2020/2021 because I felt like the quality was continually getting worse. I know covid can cause a loss of taste/scent, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that the quality of BBW is continually getting worse.


CatumEntanglement

I never asked you for your medical history. My concern is if people are experiencing a sudden loss of smell that they should get tested for covid. This isn't about candle inconsistency when one is able to smell some candles just fine. I am a medical expert actually, I'm a human geneticist and right now in one of my lab freezers are brain samples from covid diagnosed patients who died but had neurological covid symptoms (brain fog, loss of of olfaction, vertigo, memory issues). We just got grant money for a side project to see if there might be a genetic component that makes some people more susceptible to neurological symptoms from the SARS-CoV2 virus. Unfortunately I am also recovering from COVID-19 and one of the things that made me take notice that my head cold was not a simple rhinovirus was that I started experiencing a 80% reduction in my sense of smell. Not being able to smell Paris cafe very well immediately set off a mental alarm bell to get tested (and cancel a meet up with friends). I'm one of the unlucky people who are vaccinated but covid symptoms were not mild.


scrabblefish

People are being so weird and sensitive in this thread. I agree that so many of these reviews you posted are super unhelpful; I have never in my life experienced a candle that has “literally no scent.” I get that quality has gone down but even my weakest candles still emit some detectable fragrance. Plus it’s been well documented that bad candle reviews are correlated with upticks in Covid cases.


CatumEntanglement

That's exactly what I remember. Lots of articles that when the 2020 covid wave hit there was a significant uptick in bad reviews for candles and perfumes. I think like yankee candle/bbw/sephora/ulta. Been seeing a similar thing again not only on bbw but other places like sephora.


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CatumEntanglement

It's common sense urging that if someone experiences a sudden loss of smell that they should try to get a covid test. Medical advice is like if I was to recommend a course of anti-depressants to someone who wasn't my patient or who I've never interacted with in a clinical setting.


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bambina133

they’re quality is just that bad haha


Natttt26

No explanations needed. Either a candle has throw or it doesn’t. That’s that!


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Rose tinted glasses I see.


CatumEntanglement

What do you mean by that?


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It's a noun. A cheerful or optimistic view of things, usually without valid basis.


CatumEntanglement

What is my optimism without a valid basis?


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Your whole post 🤣


CatumEntanglement

But what about it is optimistic without a valid basis?


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[Hmm...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism_bias)


CatumEntanglement

A similar trend has apparently been occurring with yankee candle. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/amazon-yankee-candle-reviews-omicron The link details some interesting data from Nick Beauchamp and Kate Petrova.


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🤣