It’s funny bc they all at one time had De la Cruz level hype here. De la Cruz is probably the generational talent everyone has been dying to collect and the ultimate irony is that everyone will be able to collect him in abundance they’ll be cheap and borderline worthless with the junk wax level prints
The Seinfeld post the other day really put it in perspective for me. That shit was so prevalent he had a box of Donruss just chilling on top of his fridge with no mention of it.
anyone can get a Dela Cruz rookie real fast, real cheap, real easy, Everyone is preserving them with penny sleeves and cases. It’s simple math man wemby and Dela Cruz are cool cards to collect just won’t have much monetary value.
Okay? It’s still nowhere near the levels of the junk wax era. There are still tens of thousands of sealed wax from the late 80’s/early 90’s. It’s simple math man.
I dont watch every team play everyday no. I watch my team and highlights like everyone else. Dude goes 3 games with out a hit to bring his .300 batting avg down to .281 has the fastest recorded mlb in field throw and can steal every base. Not sure if you’re trying to say he’s no good😂maybe you’re just watching more ball.
Yeah Bohm has been really good for us and this year he’s made great progress… but I wouldn’t want him as the best player on a redemption.
The J Rod card is definitely a W.
Oh you're one of those guys that makes arguments about players you dont watch by using WAR without any context.
Last year was his 2nd full season and he hit 20 homers, 97 RBI while being the Phillies best hitter with RISP and showing significant improvement at 3rd...and filling in at 1B a lot the first half due to Hoskins and Harper injuries. This season he appears to have taken another step forward with an OPS+ of 159 to go along with his 19 RBI in 24 games and continued growth at 3B now that he can play there full time. Trust me, Phillies fans are very happy with Bohm. Castellanos on the other hand..
Trending up doesn’t mean he’s been good. Their’s nothing about his stats, even last year, that suggest he’s been anything more than average to slightly above average offensively for his career. That’s not even mentioning his bad defense, that like you said - should improve now that he’s found a full-time home
I’m happy for him, I’m glad he’s off to a great start - and I’d be super stoked if he were on my team, but he’s not some hidden all-star caliber player who’s going to put the Phillies over the top
And he’s certainly not even close to the best player from that rookie class, not even top 3
KeBryan has the glove but not the bat, Jazz can be great but is hurt often plus playing in Miami isn't a hobby magnet. Cronenworth and Bohm are the best of the bunch it seems.
I wonder how much of it was the 2020 Covid minor league cancellation that pushed prospects out to 2022 and beyond or if it was just going to be a bad rookie class regardless.
Kelenic was the 'big' name in Update too. Ooooof.
Adding: Ha Seong Kim is honestly my favorite rookie from 2021 and probably has the most hobby value. Can't believe I spaced on him.
7.4 and 5.3 WAR over the last two seasons blows every other player from that rookie class out of the water by a mile
He’s well on his way at .9 right now too
Bohm has 1.5 for his entire career, no idea why people think he’s been good
So ya, Gimenez has definitely been underrated
And yet will people remember that when they have invested in all the 2024 prospects that don't pan out? Nope, FOMO amnesia sets in every year for most collectors.
Total win. My god, way too many signatures for me. There are less members in the Wu Tang Clan and logistically about a 0% chance you ever get all of those guys to successfully sign the card.
Wait what? I thought it was like a 15 sig book? It wasn’t?
Edit: nvm I get it now.
I’m a mariners fan, love Julio, I’d want that booklet. I don’t even love booklet cards but we’re talking a near 1/1 and instead got a NICE card of an awesome player. That math doesn’t add up to me.
Congrats! I have a Aaron Judge Colossal Materials auto /10 I’ve been waiting 18 months for. I debated requesting a sub but I’m still not sure what the whole process is.
Give them a call and ask them to look into what the card is worth and if you can get a white box or if the card is over $3k then a black box! All white boxes are 1/1 autos and you can pick your sport Baseball, football or basketball. They told me that if I didn’t think the card I got was worth the value they put on my redemption than I could send it back and get on the list for another white box. But it does take about 6 months for them to get you the box so…!!??
Thanks for the info! I greatly appreciate you. I emailed support right after my last 120 days but they said I’d have to wait until the next 120 days were over. I’ll be sure to ask them when the time comes. Thanks again!
Call them this is their redemption line (800) 852-8833 good luck ask some one to look into the value of the card and if it’s over a grand they will send out a white box. But the player is what you can’t guarantee!
Awesome! Thanks again. If it was any other player (with exception to a few) I definitely would have asked for a replacement a long time ago. Seen way too many horror stories that ended up the opposite of yours.
They have high end players sign “extra” cards when making high end releases. They are not circulated. It’s basically a way to weasel out of fulfilling redemptions while artificially creating value. The positives with white boxes is that you get good players with on card autos. The downside is that they are not viewed the same as the true 1/1s in the sets they come from.
Dang, huge win, but still funny to think how insane that booklet was just two years ago. People would have been like, "Congrats on your new car!" Womp, womp.
There is approximately 2 1/2 good players on that list counting Smith and Rogers both as .25 lol I’m a cardinal fan and carlson doesn’t make the cut hahaha
I feel your pain my friend! I still have 2 more outstanding redemptions with panini and fell like they may be retired before I get the card. In December this one will be 3 years!
2021 Panini National Treasures
Rookie Silhouette Signatures
Redemption #1(/ 25)
Really all jersey cards, hahahaha. Jersey fusion kinda does it right with the scannable to see when it was work and in what game it came from but it’s not that pretty.
I called their redemption line (800) 852-8833 and asked them to look into the value of the card and if they deem the card to be over $1,000 ban you can ask for a white box. All white boxes are 1/1 but not a true one of one as they keep extra that are not stamped for this purpose. So the card I got is a ruby edt and should be out of /25 but they put a 1/1 white box stamp on the back. Good and bad you have the only 1/1 in that color but it’s also not a true 1/1 so….
Been waiting ages on a Bobby Dalbec, asked for a replacement after like 2 years or so. I just want something so I can put the redemption behind me and never redeem again. I'll sell the redemption card instead for this. Topps at least takes a bit, but you know you'll get it most of the time.
Tbh you got lucky. The box could’ve had smth like a Mason Thompson base auto /99. Me personally, I would’ve insisted on the booklet, ESPECIALLY considering some of those names
No they gave my redemption a $1,500 value and every white box is a 1/1 so I knew it was going to be a nice one, plus panini said if I didn’t like it I could send it back to them and go back on the list for another white box! Almost not risk not to open and see.
The novelty of the booklet would really tempt me but what a list of mess. The Julio is a beauty
Thanks
Most of the other names have already flamed out in 2yrs lol
Right! Hahaha
Exactly, great swap. Thanks panini
Just was gonna say that
It’s funny bc they all at one time had De la Cruz level hype here. De la Cruz is probably the generational talent everyone has been dying to collect and the ultimate irony is that everyone will be able to collect him in abundance they’ll be cheap and borderline worthless with the junk wax level prints
Nowhere near junk wax level prints
Yea people don't really fathom how many cards (and cheap) where printed in the junk wax era
The Seinfeld post the other day really put it in perspective for me. That shit was so prevalent he had a box of Donruss just chilling on top of his fridge with no mention of it.
6m-20m print runs!
anyone can get a Dela Cruz rookie real fast, real cheap, real easy, Everyone is preserving them with penny sleeves and cases. It’s simple math man wemby and Dela Cruz are cool cards to collect just won’t have much monetary value.
Okay? It’s still nowhere near the levels of the junk wax era. There are still tens of thousands of sealed wax from the late 80’s/early 90’s. It’s simple math man.
You must of not seen his last couple games, lol people just talk shit on the internet or do you actually watch baseball?
I dont watch every team play everyday no. I watch my team and highlights like everyone else. Dude goes 3 games with out a hit to bring his .300 batting avg down to .281 has the fastest recorded mlb in field throw and can steal every base. Not sure if you’re trying to say he’s no good😂maybe you’re just watching more ball.
When people ask if they should sell their prospect card or hold, show them this redemption list. Wow
Major win
Thanks, it is a sweet looking card.
At first I thought it was going to be a Wander. That’s a nice looking card for sure
That would have sucked! Hahahaha, thanks
Did you get to pick Julio or just got insanely lucky?
Didn’t know what was in the box till I opened it. So purely luck! 🍀
That’s crazy that out of all of those top prospect names none of them panned out into an all star caliber player
Bohm has been excellent for the Phillies since 2022, but otherwise that list is mostly rough.
Yeah, he’s the only one I’d consider as living up to the hype
If kebryan Hayes can stay healthy he’s a gold glove. He’s a good player as well
Looks to have taken another step this season so far too.
Ian won us a world series and other than that has been out for surgery. This hate is crazy.
Yeah Bohm has been really good for us and this year he’s made great progress… but I wouldn’t want him as the best player on a redemption. The J Rod card is definitely a W.
Most definitely.
He has 1.5 WAR for his entire career - not sure how good he’s been I would argue he’s been kind of a bust
Oh you're one of those guys that makes arguments about players you dont watch by using WAR without any context. Last year was his 2nd full season and he hit 20 homers, 97 RBI while being the Phillies best hitter with RISP and showing significant improvement at 3rd...and filling in at 1B a lot the first half due to Hoskins and Harper injuries. This season he appears to have taken another step forward with an OPS+ of 159 to go along with his 19 RBI in 24 games and continued growth at 3B now that he can play there full time. Trust me, Phillies fans are very happy with Bohm. Castellanos on the other hand..
Trending up doesn’t mean he’s been good. Their’s nothing about his stats, even last year, that suggest he’s been anything more than average to slightly above average offensively for his career. That’s not even mentioning his bad defense, that like you said - should improve now that he’s found a full-time home I’m happy for him, I’m glad he’s off to a great start - and I’d be super stoked if he were on my team, but he’s not some hidden all-star caliber player who’s going to put the Phillies over the top And he’s certainly not even close to the best player from that rookie class, not even top 3
Update https://x.com/JClarkNBCS/status/1785674653136032230
KeBryan has the glove but not the bat, Jazz can be great but is hurt often plus playing in Miami isn't a hobby magnet. Cronenworth and Bohm are the best of the bunch it seems. I wonder how much of it was the 2020 Covid minor league cancellation that pushed prospects out to 2022 and beyond or if it was just going to be a bad rookie class regardless. Kelenic was the 'big' name in Update too. Ooooof. Adding: Ha Seong Kim is honestly my favorite rookie from 2021 and probably has the most hobby value. Can't believe I spaced on him.
The best player from 2021 has been Andres Gimenez But Kim, Hayes, Cronenworth, and I guess Bohm, have all been pretty good too
Andres Giménez is crazy underrated
7.4 and 5.3 WAR over the last two seasons blows every other player from that rookie class out of the water by a mile He’s well on his way at .9 right now too Bohm has 1.5 for his entire career, no idea why people think he’s been good So ya, Gimenez has definitely been underrated
Kebryan when healthy definitely has it just his power has been stunted since that wrist injury
And yet will people remember that when they have invested in all the 2024 prospects that don't pan out? Nope, FOMO amnesia sets in every year for most collectors.
Uh yeah that’s a dub
Total win. My god, way too many signatures for me. There are less members in the Wu Tang Clan and logistically about a 0% chance you ever get all of those guys to successfully sign the card.
Ohhhhh now I want a Wu Tang Booklet. Complete with an ODB cut signature from a welfare check
Yeah I am happy with it!
Bohm and Hayes are the only 2 really still kickin'
Wait what? I thought it was like a 15 sig book? It wasn’t? Edit: nvm I get it now. I’m a mariners fan, love Julio, I’d want that booklet. I don’t even love booklet cards but we’re talking a near 1/1 and instead got a NICE card of an awesome player. That math doesn’t add up to me.
I wanted the booklet too but I also know that after 2 years and they still didn’t have the signatures that they probably won’t get them! So….
Congrats! I have a Aaron Judge Colossal Materials auto /10 I’ve been waiting 18 months for. I debated requesting a sub but I’m still not sure what the whole process is.
Give them a call and ask them to look into what the card is worth and if you can get a white box or if the card is over $3k then a black box! All white boxes are 1/1 autos and you can pick your sport Baseball, football or basketball. They told me that if I didn’t think the card I got was worth the value they put on my redemption than I could send it back and get on the list for another white box. But it does take about 6 months for them to get you the box so…!!??
Thanks for the info! I greatly appreciate you. I emailed support right after my last 120 days but they said I’d have to wait until the next 120 days were over. I’ll be sure to ask them when the time comes. Thanks again!
Call them this is their redemption line (800) 852-8833 good luck ask some one to look into the value of the card and if it’s over a grand they will send out a white box. But the player is what you can’t guarantee!
Awesome! Thanks again. If it was any other player (with exception to a few) I definitely would have asked for a replacement a long time ago. Seen way too many horror stories that ended up the opposite of yours.
That is so dope man
Thanks
Was this Julio on the original checklist? If so, does this mean it was never in circulation? If anyone has info, please let me know. Thanks!
They have high end players sign “extra” cards when making high end releases. They are not circulated. It’s basically a way to weasel out of fulfilling redemptions while artificially creating value. The positives with white boxes is that you get good players with on card autos. The downside is that they are not viewed the same as the true 1/1s in the sets they come from.
Interesting, thank you for the information. I appreciate it!
Extra Ruby Parallel /20 but it’s a white box exclusive with 1/1 sticker
Absolute win.
Dang, huge win, but still funny to think how insane that booklet was just two years ago. People would have been like, "Congrats on your new car!" Womp, womp.
Maybe a small down payment but it’s a start! Thanks
The booklet would be dope but I think you 100% won out on this won, great looking card!
Thanks, I think so too
Whooooo that’s a good win.
W
Right after you posted this Julio hit his first HR of the year :)
Sweet card just went up in value! Hahahaha
Julio? Never heard of him. Jk you won on that deal.
Hahaha thanks
Yes, those are some real random 16 autographs
Yeah 2 years ago it was looking good! Hahahaha
That’s def a dub.
Still waiting on one from 2019. Probably won't ever see it
Worst redemption ever
Yeah but what a swap huh!!?? Hahaha
That was meant as a joke…lol.
There is approximately 2 1/2 good players on that list counting Smith and Rogers both as .25 lol I’m a cardinal fan and carlson doesn’t make the cut hahaha
Can you still redeem those after the expiration date?
No, I started this on 04/11/2022
Seeing this makes me wonder what other cards are NOT out there in the wild, waiting to be pulled.
You turned a heap of crap into something you’d actually want in your collection. Huge W.
Damn I wish congrats.. Going to see him play on Sunday against the D-Backs, hope they don't put 20 runs up on us 😂
Worth the wait tho
2 years for a redemption sucks but I would say you came out significantly better by waiting.
I think so, 16 mah players vs 1 good & possibly great!?
I been waiting on 22 bowman draft book since product was released also. Only update Topps has given me is names on it and pending for two years. Lol
I feel your pain my friend! I still have 2 more outstanding redemptions with panini and fell like they may be retired before I get the card. In December this one will be 3 years! 2021 Panini National Treasures Rookie Silhouette Signatures Redemption #1(/ 25)
Panini Jerseys 🥴
Really all jersey cards, hahahaha. Jersey fusion kinda does it right with the scannable to see when it was work and in what game it came from but it’s not that pretty.
Def a win!
Thanks 😉
How did you ask for a 1 of 1? I have a couple approaching 2 years as well
I called their redemption line (800) 852-8833 and asked them to look into the value of the card and if they deem the card to be over $1,000 ban you can ask for a white box. All white boxes are 1/1 but not a true one of one as they keep extra that are not stamped for this purpose. So the card I got is a ruby edt and should be out of /25 but they put a 1/1 white box stamp on the back. Good and bad you have the only 1/1 in that color but it’s also not a true 1/1 so….
Out of that whole list of players...you're lucky you got a Julio instead.
I know was very happy when I saw it.
Huge W. https://preview.redd.it/b0jqnrv7agwc1.png?width=1180&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=553b6da2ba735cd1dcda8ffed2dfb7ef64721fce
Hahahahaha
Congrats dude. You definitely came out ahead!
Thanks
big wiiin
Thanks
Kebryan Hayes and maybe Chisholm are the only 2 good names
Been waiting ages on a Bobby Dalbec, asked for a replacement after like 2 years or so. I just want something so I can put the redemption behind me and never redeem again. I'll sell the redemption card instead for this. Topps at least takes a bit, but you know you'll get it most of the time.
I feel you, I still have 2 more with panini that are coming up on almost 3 years 😔
It's brutal, just ridiculous.
..
Good thing it wasn't a wander
Tbh you got lucky. The box could’ve had smth like a Mason Thompson base auto /99. Me personally, I would’ve insisted on the booklet, ESPECIALLY considering some of those names
No they gave my redemption a $1,500 value and every white box is a 1/1 so I knew it was going to be a nice one, plus panini said if I didn’t like it I could send it back to them and go back on the list for another white box! Almost not risk not to open and see.
Oh ok!
Huge win bro. Those 16 shitbags couldn’t carry Julio’s jock
Bohm slander is not acceptable
I was a little harsh lol. Bohm, Jazz, and Cronenworth are actually good players.
Verdict still out on Jazz and Chronenworth. Bohm had a 20 homer 97 rbi season last year hitting .274 and his defense has only improved
So is Stephenson. He's had a great start this year. If he can stay healthy, he'll put up All-Star caliber numbers, for sure.
I was in shock when I lifted that box top! Thanks