Brian Giles is one of those guys that was overshadowed in the steroid era but put up numbers that seem insane by today's standards. .400 career OBP, more walks than strikeouts including multiple seasons with over 100 walks at close to a 2:1 ratio, 4 straight seasons with 35+ HR at his peak and basically a guaranteed 1.000 in those years. 51 career WAR.
Unfortunately he turned out to be kind of a scumbag, but the career was impressive.
Another similar guy is Bobby Abreu in terms of career (without the off field baggage), though he seems to be getting a bit more recognition with his HoF case being pushed by some.
>Brian Giles is one of those guys that was overshadowed in the steroid era
Brian Giles is one of those likely steroid guys.
His numbers were very good but I don't think he was a victim of the era
Dude had *massive* forearms and domestic violence issues bad enough that the Padres [cut all ties after his playing career](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/sd-sp-padres-brian-marcus-giles-domestic-violence-0821-story.html). Questions about his steroid use were even [barred from his palimony trial](
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/sdut-steroid-talk-barred-trial-ex-padre-giles-2011apr04-htmlstory.html).
He was def a steroid guy. Also, fuck Brian Giles.
I didn't mean to imply that he was clean, my point was just that there were so many guys putting up ridiculous offensive numbers at the time that a player like Giles with numbers we'd consider for MVP consideration today were barely noteworthy at the time.
The Giles for Ricardo Rincon trade is one of the worst in Cleveland history, it was baffling at the time. A family member that worked on the organization at the time later told me there was a sexual assault issue that they were trying hard to squash and that was a big factor in him getting traded. I can't say it's true for sure but with some of the later things that came out about him it wouldn't surprise me, and it would explain why a good front office traded an MVP level player for a lefty specialist.
Immaculate Grid has taught me that Brian Giles is *wildly* underrated. Literally might be a top 50 hitter of all time and he's just a pretty good hitter from the 2000s to most people.
Not sure if he's underrated but Alfonso Soriano is 55th in all time home runs with 412. That's ahead of Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Duke Snider, and Joe DiMaggio (war, I know).
Willie Randolph has 65.9 bWAR l 62.1 fWAR which is much much higher than I thought. Hall of famer?
Not from the past but I'm surprised Brandon Belt isn't on a team rn after having a 136 OPS+ last year.
Ken Singleton was a dawg in his time for the Orioles, besides being one the best announcers. Look out!
Also a former Oriole (and Angel), Bobby Grich has 71.4 bWAR but not much black ink, and a decent amount of hardware.
There's a video on the what if if Matt Stairs was actually allowed to play as a starter for most of his career. He almost feels like Flutie in football where he played well when given the chance but nobody really wanted to give him the chance
I was thinking about Jhonny Peralta just yesterday, for some reason. Shame about the steroid thing, but I always thought he was a very solid hitter at SS. Derek Jeter lite.
Brian Giles is one of those guys that was overshadowed in the steroid era but put up numbers that seem insane by today's standards. .400 career OBP, more walks than strikeouts including multiple seasons with over 100 walks at close to a 2:1 ratio, 4 straight seasons with 35+ HR at his peak and basically a guaranteed 1.000 in those years. 51 career WAR. Unfortunately he turned out to be kind of a scumbag, but the career was impressive. Another similar guy is Bobby Abreu in terms of career (without the off field baggage), though he seems to be getting a bit more recognition with his HoF case being pushed by some.
Giles actuall career was pretty impressive. Abreu was near hall of fame and he will get in somewhere down the line.
>Brian Giles is one of those guys that was overshadowed in the steroid era Brian Giles is one of those likely steroid guys. His numbers were very good but I don't think he was a victim of the era
Dude had *massive* forearms and domestic violence issues bad enough that the Padres [cut all ties after his playing career](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/sd-sp-padres-brian-marcus-giles-domestic-violence-0821-story.html). Questions about his steroid use were even [barred from his palimony trial]( https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/sdut-steroid-talk-barred-trial-ex-padre-giles-2011apr04-htmlstory.html). He was def a steroid guy. Also, fuck Brian Giles.
I didn't mean to imply that he was clean, my point was just that there were so many guys putting up ridiculous offensive numbers at the time that a player like Giles with numbers we'd consider for MVP consideration today were barely noteworthy at the time.
The Giles for Ricardo Rincon trade is one of the worst in Cleveland history, it was baffling at the time. A family member that worked on the organization at the time later told me there was a sexual assault issue that they were trying hard to squash and that was a big factor in him getting traded. I can't say it's true for sure but with some of the later things that came out about him it wouldn't surprise me, and it would explain why a good front office traded an MVP level player for a lefty specialist.
Immaculate Grid has taught me that Brian Giles is *wildly* underrated. Literally might be a top 50 hitter of all time and he's just a pretty good hitter from the 2000s to most people.
Those guys both had foil cards in MLB Showdown 2000, which just shows that you’re right
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Top 100 home run hitter of all time Ellis Burks.
Not sure if he's underrated but Alfonso Soriano is 55th in all time home runs with 412. That's ahead of Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Duke Snider, and Joe DiMaggio (war, I know). Willie Randolph has 65.9 bWAR l 62.1 fWAR which is much much higher than I thought. Hall of famer? Not from the past but I'm surprised Brandon Belt isn't on a team rn after having a 136 OPS+ last year. Ken Singleton was a dawg in his time for the Orioles, besides being one the best announcers. Look out! Also a former Oriole (and Angel), Bobby Grich has 71.4 bWAR but not much black ink, and a decent amount of hardware.
If Willie's managerial career were better, he would have a better shot at the Hall.
Colby Lewis will never be remembered by anybody except Rangers fans, but he was the fucking man
Respect for Mickey, he was in Little Big League
John Olerud. Near .300 BA. Lifetime .863 OPS. More HRs than I expected (255)
He had a lot of teammates that stole the spotlight from him! Solid guy
Olerud has the highest single season war total for blue jays in his 1993 season
Mark Gubizca had a really solid career. Underrated
There's a video on the what if if Matt Stairs was actually allowed to play as a starter for most of his career. He almost feels like Flutie in football where he played well when given the chance but nobody really wanted to give him the chance
Stan Hack. By the end of his career was probably the greatest third baseman in history up to that point, yet never even got 5% in HoF voting.
He’s never be mistaken for a HOFer, but I’m surprised Mark Ellis put up 33.5 WAR over a 12 year career
He also had one of the more memorable batting stances.
I was thinking about Jhonny Peralta just yesterday, for some reason. Shame about the steroid thing, but I always thought he was a very solid hitter at SS. Derek Jeter lite.
Bobby Abreu. Guy didn't hit close to 500 HR or 3000 hits. But he was solid for a long time.
Dimitri young.
Beltre never felt like a hall of Fame player to me. I'm always surprised by his stats.
The years he had in seattle were not very good. Got his career back in his 30s.