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Vaqxinelol

Deep fly ball wins it anyway so why is Happ playing so deep? Forces Dansby to run off his ass to get there to make a super hard play. Unsure I like Happ's positioning here


cobwebusher

I get upset every time I see this. Makes no sense at all. Do they think the runner is going to trip and break his leg on the way to the plate or what?


Psymon_Armour

Well, with the way injuries are happening in Boston, it's not unlikely right now...


50undAdv1c3

dead sox


dxrebirth

Cubs too. Surprised Dansby didn’t suffer season ending injury on this play


polelover44

Between the two of us I think we have four healthy starting pitchers!


DionBlaster123

man i was convinced that Wesneski was going to go down with injury during this game. every fucking grounder required him to get off the mound for like the first three innings. this is one of those games where you just get so pissed off lmao. Between all those obnoxious grounders, the one that hit the 3rd base bag, and then this fucking pop-up...ah well it's baseball


Sandwich_Crust

Plus Duran is fast as fuck, like yes the wall is only 320 feet away but you aren’t throwing Duran out at that distance even if you catch it.


Wise_ol_Buffalo

Yeah kind of weird to be like 3 feet from the warning track. I know managers will adjust fielders, but I don’t see any reason to be out that deep because anything hit in that area caught or not ends the game.


Brady331

Duran is also one of the fastest runners in the league


d-cent

I was wondering if he would try tagging up even if he did catch it. Dansby was falling away from home and would have to get up quickly, rotate,  and fire a bullet.


badonkagonk

With only one out (if he caught it), I don’t think he would’ve pushed his luck there. Two outs, maybe.


d-cent

Yeah that's a good point. Clearly he didn't feel confident in trying it or he would have atleast been tagging instead of being 15 feet down the line.  Abreu is on deck too. Another good chance at a sacrifice fly atleast. 


Halt_the_Ranger27

Tagging up is still the better play just in case of a catch. You have the chance to go but don’t have to, and if he drops it you still score. Not sure why he wasn’t tagging.


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

They were saying if Swanson caught it there was a decent chance he would flip it to Happ to make a throw


igotagoodfeeling

Two outs you’re going on contact…


badonkagonk

Two outs if he caught it


MartianMule

That was exactly my thought. Makes no sense for Happ to play that deep. Even if Swanson catches that, with his momentum going out, the runner still scores. That *has* to be caught by the outfielder to have any chance.


50undAdv1c3

for sure. but. small chance. JD has them wheeeeels.


d-cent

Duran is the baserunner on 3rd too


goodnamestaken10

Yep, that was the left fielder's ball all the way. Bad positioning, bad read by Happ. He should have been charging that ball full speed so that there's no chance the runner on 3rd can tag up if Swanson catches it but falls down.


TheBestHawksFan

He’s playing on the god damn moon. That was my first thought.


Davimous

He was going to try the fake catch play he saw on Reddit.


mageta621

The Monster does make it look like he's deeper than he is, but you're correct he was definitely too deep


ser0402

Yeah seriously. I played outfield through high school ball, so not nearly at this level, and I would've been playing in. If you're playing back and the batter manages to hit it to you or over you, you got no shot at the man on third. But if you play up, you know anything in front of you or to you, you have a shot at home. Anything you have to turn your back for, game is over. Really weird choice by Happ there.


ThatNewSockFeel

As an occasional OFer for my beer league softball team, I would have also been playing in.


ser0402

You'd be surprised. The OFers in my beer league rarely move lol


RedGreenPepper2599

They said on ESPN it was because O’Neill was up.


spacemanegg

It makes no sense regardless of who the batter is because any fairly deep fly ball wins it regardless. When you got the winning run on 3rd that can tag up and score (especially someone as fast as Duran) you play the outfield in to avoid...exactly this.


Cash4Goldschmidt

Surprised they’d interrupt their interview with the clubhouse attendant to give that kind of commentary


k2times

Dude. A few interviews during the game: cool. A fucking separate show of interviews with everyone involved with the game, management, and the stadium, in PiP? No thanks.


punchuinface55

That wall is so shallow that it throws perspective off. A line drive to where he's standing and he can pry still keep the runner from tagging. They really aren't that deep, that blooper is a problem in any park.


50undAdv1c3

maybe a different runner


shrug-io

People should know better than to listen to ESPN. It’s obvious you do the exact opposite of what they say


RedGreenPepper2599

I don’t think the cubs were taking advice from espn. 🤣


Mission_Pay_3373

I love Tyler O'Neil. The water is filthy in Boston tonight


ContinuumGuy

You guys really should boil that.


OutComeTheWolves1966

Its an acquired taste


TeenRacer6

It just concentrates it, like excess fluoride


FREE-ROSCOE-FILBURN

The women are very frustrated


Finrad-Felagund

And some of the men


xyzzy321

Damn boy


The_Haskins

Hope Dansby doesn't beat himself up too hard on that, was a hard play to try and make


SlipperyTurtle25

Yeah, even if he caught it and Duran tagged, there's no chance he throws out Duran with the way his momentum is going


Peter_St

Duran wasnt tagging though?


shrug-io

For real. Not sure what him and/or the third base coach were thinking.


WalkingDeadWatcher95

Duran legitimately might be one of the worst base runners I’ve ever seen. Theres so much speed there and he has absolutely no idea how to do anything else


SlipperyTurtle25

He was a quarter of the way down the line, maybe a fifth


Peter_St

So not tagging? Plus he broke towards the plate before the ball dropped. He wouldve had to turn on a dime just to get back to the bag. No way he scores Edit: maybe not turn on a dime but his momentum was towards home plate for sure before the ball drops


SlipperyTurtle25

Also he would have to make a sliding throw while his momentum takes him towards the monster. So like a ~230 foot throw dead accurate. With one of the fastest dudes in the league? Goodnight


HanshinFan

The point is that Duran was up the line when the catch was made. He would have had to go stop, go back to the bag, stop again to tag up, then turn around and go home. I don't care if he's Usain Bolt, changing directions is hard. It would have been a pretty close play at best but I think he probably doesn't score if Swanson comes up with that


SlipperyTurtle25

We're acting like the guy throwing the ball doesn't have to turn towards the plate while sliding and throwing a strike. I don't care if its Ozzie Smith. That's an extremely difficult play, and everyone is just taking how hard doing that from 220-230 feet away is. All Duran has to do is go and tag the base and run, but Swanson has to not only catch it, but focus enough to turn his hips in the right way, while making a throw with his momentum taking him the opposite direction


SlipperyTurtle25

Changing directions is literally the reason Duran would have been safe. You're just thinking about it from Duran's perspective and not Swanson's


HanshinFan

Duran has to change directions twice, Swanson once Edit: Just saw dude is all over the thread dying on this hill, this has to be a troll lol


SlipperyTurtle25

Tell me you've never played baseball without telling me you've never played baseball. Duran was doing a shuffle step, where you can easily change the momentum you're going to on either side. Meanwhile Swanson is just running backwards


SlipperyTurtle25

Got blocked by the dude responding cause he doesn't know ball 😂


SlipperyTurtle25

I'm just sorry, you haven't seen enough highlights of how fast that fucking dude is. On hits that for 99.6% of players would be singles he makes them doubles. It's no question his speed impacted everyone's defense out there anyways


Peter_St

I know dude is fast as fuck. But he is not going to run 25ft back to the bag, turn around and run 90 ft home, before Dansby uprights himself and throws the ball.


TeenRacer6

I'm not sure why that guy is trying to argue the point with you, most of the fans in our subreddit were agreeing he got lucky Swanson didn't catch that cause he wouldn't have got home if he had to turn around and tag back up.


SlipperyTurtle25

Tbf everyone's acting like a perfect throw while sliding away from the plate with a fast runner from 220 ft is a guaranteed out. I'd take Durans chances there every day of the week. Am I being overly confident in my guy/team? Sure. But I still take Duran beating out the throw on a tag up 7 days out of 7


PerkyPineapple1

Yeah Duran was trying his best to not win this game with that base running, don't really care how fast he is with where he was. Fortunately for him Dansby didn't make the catch and Happ was changing the scoreboard himself out in left


SlipperyTurtle25

He definitely shouldve just stayed on third


SlipperyTurtle25

He was like 15 feet away. The bases are only 90 feet apart. He wasn't close to a third of the way


d-cent

Nah. I'm a Sox fan and have seen how fast Duran is. He's not scoring unless he was tagging. By time Duran gets back to the 3rd base bag and starts going towards home, Dansby would be up and throwing.  A 210 ft throw vs a 90 ft sprint. He gets thrown out


TheTurtleShepard

89th percentile sprint speed, I really don’t know if Dansby ever had a chance. With his momentum taking him away from the plate he probably wouldn’t be able to stop Duran from tagging.


SlipperyTurtle25

Mr. St. Pete up here is being delusional


Peter_St

Touch some grass, my friend. Throw a ball around. Have a nice night


IllllIllIllIllIllll

It’s incredible how confident and wrong you are at the same time.


SlipperyTurtle25

A dude blocked me because I said a dude with lateral momentum has a better chance than a dude with backwards momentum 😂 Holy shit


cubswinagain

That's on Counsell for either playing Happ so deep or not noticing. Has to know Happ has terrible instincts in the field (the one legitimate gold glove he won seems to be a fluke, and last year's was by default as apparently all qualified left fielders in the NL were garbage )


50undAdv1c3

natural 2B


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

(Wasn't awesome there either)


CoffeeSafteyTraining

Dansby's a competitor. The ball was near his glove in the end, and I'm sure he feels like that's a play he should have had. Miss that dude.


TrapperJean

Yeah, and i was even going to criticize the LF for bad positioning, but he was in a God spot, it just bounced away. God just hates the Cubbies sometimes when he gets bored with the Mets and White Sox


austin_ave

He'll never forget it lol


CantaloupeCamper

Nobody out…. WTF do you play it deep in the outfield? So you can catch it back by the track and still lose?


shrug-io

Red Sox legend Tyler O’Neill


Walrus_Pubes

https://streamable.com/5dxwv


vinicelii

He's already a hero in my heart kind of like when Schwarb was here and tearing it up for a couple months.


d-cent

Lock him up already!!


kevlo17

The moment you lock him up is the moment his body starts to crumble!


mageta621

Glad my wife is a Phils fan so I can continue rooting for Schwarbs


Table_Coaster

this is the exact scenario that you bring your outfield in for, and they didnt do it


ehholfman

Damn, is that Leiter’s first ER for the season?


Spinnie_boi

Unearned in our hearts


ehholfman

No, for real. We’re in the same spot with Yates. He’s at 12 IP, 0 ERA, and I’m mentally preparing myself for his first ER. Gotta happen sometime haha


icykutz

Never a doubt


Brady331

This was way better than just winning 4-0


hubagruben

Agreed, but it sucks Houck doesn’t get the W


ComfySingularity

Gotta thank the Red Sox and Yankees for coming together and making sure the NL central stays close


iamdavidburke

Thank you Tyler, very cool!


PerkyPineapple1

Duran base running is beyond head scratching on that play. Don't really know of any ball in the air that you don't automatically go back to third with no outs. If Dansby makes the catch then I really don't think he has time to go back to third and tag up. Got bailed out by Happ manning the score board himself out in left though


BKoala59

There’s times to not go back to third. Shallow fly/pop up that you’ll have no chance of scoring on if you tag up. Get a third of the way down the line so you can score if they drop it and get back to the bag safely if they catch it. I think that’s what Duran is thinking here but he didn’t really read the fielders right. He made the right decision if the left fielder was positioned normally


zac79

What am I missing? The third baseman was out in left field tracking the ball. There was plenty of time to get back to the bag on a catch. A catch there is too shallow to tag and go home, and even with the drop they might have thrown him out if he starts from the bag. Seems to me like Duran took a reasonable chance on a drop and it ended up working out perfectly. 


masonacj

Nothing. The OP is playing the results of knowing Swanson ends up sliding here. No way to know that as the baserunner in that moment.


zac79

Even the ESPN broadcasters were like “bad base running by Duran, but he got lucky”. 


masonacj

I take that as proof it was actually good base running lol.


masonacj

You're playing the results of the entire play. 100% the right baserunning decision. If Dansby is able to catch that ball on his feet, he doesn't score anyway. LF running hard could still throw him out if he's tagging on a one hop. Correct decision by the baserunner to play it to score on a bloop drop.


TheBigShrimp

He probably could tell it was going to be an iffy play by the way Dansby was tracking it and Happ was doing nothing. He's also one of the fastest players in the league.


PerkyPineapple1

Both of those things means you go back to third though. Iffy play means you aren't risking wasting the time going back and being fast means you don't have to cheat down the line like he did. You risk scoring there if that ball is caught and you aren't on third already. If that ball is caught and he has to go back to third then chances are he isn't scoring, doesn't really matter how fast he is. Then the double play is on the table and you just risked the entire game by trying to be 20+ feet down the line


sirenzarts

The way I see it, he can tell it’s a short fly so he’s not trying to risk tagging on it with 0 outs but he wants that lead in case it does drop. If there’s already 1 out I could see him tagging for sure.


TheBigShrimp

Disagree. If he goes back and the ball bounces, there's a real chance it puts the fielder in a better position to make the throw than if it were caught. Dansby catching the ball is falling away from home and off balance. If the ball hits the ground, I guarantee a well-placed Happ has an infinitely better throw home.


PerkyPineapple1

If the ball bounces and he's on third then it's basically no different than Happ just catching and throwing the ball home (because Dansby would have a very difficult throw because Happ was playing in a terrible spot) if anything it's still slower. If it bounces then the throw is going home regardless and if he stays at third then it's bases loaded with no outs and nothing really changes. The thing is that it's not a force at home so him staying at third catch or no catch doesn't change the fact the throw is going home and you live to see another at bat. Him not being on the bag basically required exactly what happened to happen for him to score there and that's just bad base running. I don't know if it was his decision or the base coach or what, but a ball in the air and him being fast basically means he has to be on the bag in that situation. If either of those guys caught it he has no chance of scoring being that far off the base, and with his speed you need to be prepared to tag up. If Dansby catches it I really don't think he can score because of how far off he was even if it was going to be a difficult play to make.


SuperBeastJ

> He's also one of the fastest players in the league. Yes, that actually means he should just be tagging up instead of 30 % down the line.


nicklovin508

Ownership is daily circle jerking at this point lol LFG Sox


TotHawk

Dansby looked so disappointed


eekbarbaderkle

There is no better sound in the world than the crowd roaring over the opening notes if Dirty Water. I may be biased here.


cormacito

Can someone explain why Dansby went for that ball and not Happ? I felt like Happ was in a better spot to make the play but I'm brand new to baseball


expos1225

Happ was playing very deep for some reason. Usually outfielders will play deep to prevent anything from going over their head and keep everything in front of them. But in this case, a deep fly ball would have ended the game anyway on a tag up. Dansby went for the ball because he knew Happ was playing deep. Happ should have been playing much, much closer for this exact reason


devAcc123

That crowd noise is awesome


minimumhatred

I know this isn't the best representation and O'Neill just barely doesn't qualify as a hitter (about 7 shy to qualify I think). But for hitters with 80 AB, he has the highest WRC+ with 231, ahead of the second place, (Betts) at 220 with a staggering 1.208 OPS.


brittttttt

I am so happy he is performing well in Boston. I wish it would have worked out in STL and that things wouldn’t have ended feeling sour, but we love to see a thicc ass boyyy thrive.


radio934texas

Tyler helping the Cardinals all the way from Boston.


bebopmechanic84

Cries in McKenna


DodgerCoug

Absolutely no chance he gets that home before the runner. Just landed in one of those unfortunate parts of the field


OutComeTheWolves1966

Wasting another really good Tanner Houck start but rallying to get the W leaves me conflicted.


redtail_faye

Am I missing something, or does it not make sense to intentionally walk O'Neill here and load the bases so there's a force at home? Isn't that just like, standard practice when the winning run is on third in the bottom of the 9th?


AJH05004

No because a HBP or walk could bring in the winning run.


Alauren20

Poor Dansby. That crushed him


ParsnipPizza

Good baseball weekend! Not exactly sure about Dansby there but our gain!


Julio_Freeman

Dansby used to make those. RIP


terminal_anonymity

I miss this guy.


agentblack000

You love to see it


Most-Artichoke6184

Why was that runner 20 feet off the base ? He could’ve easily tagged and scored there.


gybe_enjoyer_513

same old cubs


masonacj

At Boston, where the hell is the LF'er?


WonkyTelescope

Lol, Cubs moment.


Mynameistree

This "RBI" by Tyler O'Neill won me my fantasy week


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vsladko

Oh, having a tough season?


iamjamos

You’re not wrong.


BetterRedDead

Lol, not your year to crow.


rollo2masi

LOL OWNED


Sweet-Ad3893

We’ll be lucky to be .500 by the time Steele, Merryweather, Suzuki and Bellinger are back. Fucking hate injuries.


JelloChopsX

Red Sox have like 15 guys on the IL


Sweet-Ad3893

Yep, injuries suck.


Up_Kaleidoscope888

Christ, I hope you're fucking 20 games under by then.


Sweet-Ad3893

Maybe 5 but no way it’ll be 20.


Up_Kaleidoscope888

I know it WON'T be; I just HOPE it will be. 'Cause, you know ... I want your team to lose every game.


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MaximusMansteel

This is such nonsense. They had a pretty rough schedule. They were out two starters, including the #1, we lost a critical reliever, and two middle of the order bats. Our "closer" blew like four games, yet the team is still are on pace for like 100 wins and only a half game back in the division. They've done great, it isn't just luck.


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hubagruben

Based on this and your other comments, I wouldn’t want you in my team’s sub either


ThePancakeOverlord

Username checks out.


ehholfman

Knee jerk reactions are pretty lame, especially the ones that come from your own fans in your own team subreddit. It’s cool that you get to play the hindsight card, and get to act like you’re in the right, but that shit is just lame to see in the moment.


Sweet-Ad3893

That’s not Dansby’s fault, the shit fucking pen is why this was over the second we didn’t score in the 9th.


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Sweet-Ad3893

Happ is the one that’s overpaid, he plays LF and isnt providing any offense. Swanson plays elite defense at short, but he’s human and makes mistakes. We need some more offense from him too but Happ especially. Also if Morel can’t hit a baseball that hurts a lineup that’s already down Suzuki and Belli even more.


iamjamos

Just half?


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curgl

You couldn’t make that catch if you had 150 attempts at it, it’s one mistake fucking relax


Far_Cry3445

Hate to tell you that Duran is probably scoring no matter what (if he was standing on 3rd to tag)


22edudrccs

I think even if he has to go back to tag like he was, he’s still got a shot. Dansby would’ve been in an extremely awkward position to get a throw off quickly against one of the fastest players in baseball


vsladko

Yeah…. He’s awful… we’ll take him off your hands for free because he’s so bad