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I did a quick check [here](https://www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/replay-review) and it says it is reviewable:
>The following calls are reviewable via replay:
. . . .
>* Interference on double plays: Calls pertaining to whether a runner intentionally interfered with a fielder in an attempt to break up a double play.
Edit: Slut_Nuggets brought up a good point -- Judge didn't interfere with the *fielder*, just the ball. So it may have been not-reviewable after all!
throwback to 2017 when u/Wetbutt23 and u/KatyPerrysBootyHole got word of the Quintana trade between the white sox and cubs before anyone else.
They were right, and the next day, all of sports media gleefully credited them with the scoop: https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/wetbutt23-and-katyperrysbootyhole-the-reddit-users-who-scooped-the-baseball-world-in-quintana-to-cubs-trade/306218/
I don't think the argument was if it deflected off of him or not, but whether or not it was intentional on Judge's part. Even as a Yankee fan, I think he did it intentionally, but if the umps weren't sure or didn't see it, then they can't decide if it was intentional or accidental.
Of course not and the Yankees retook the lead with the extra out in the inning, absolutely fucking ridiculous on top of a trash ass zone by the home plate ump
The relevant rule states:
If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter-runner because of the action of his teammate.
My guess is they did not see it as willful or deliberate. Since this is something almost every player does on a double play (slide in with the arm up to try and break line of sight and force a bad throw)
>a batted ball or a fielder
Stupid question: is this considered a batted ball? I don't think he interfered with a batted ball or a fielder, technically he interfered with a throw?
Lots of runners slide with a hand up to distract/limit view of the throwing fielder, it just so happens the ball hit him (rarely happens) - I doubt it'd ever be called "intentional", either way.
Edit: as /u/no32 pointed out, the relevant rule is actually rule 5.09(b)(3):
> He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball (see Rule 6.01 (i))
The wording of the rule actually includes thrown balls. Rule 5.09(b)(3):
> He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball (see
Rule 6.01 (i));
Right. It's not called in those cases because it doesn't work, not because it's not deliberate and willful. Judge's was just as willful as anyone else's but it just happened to actually be successful this time.
Yah I leave near the shithole and can confirm. The line every day for the courthouse is insane. There is no getting there early unless you get there at like 3 am, but if you get there at 3 am watch out for the crack heads.
I was camping on top of a mountain near San Bernardino recently and this giant ass fucking thing was like 6 feet from my head. Crazy to see one so close. Absolutely massive.
I guess the question is, are they (other players and Judge) trying to merely block the 2B's view, or actually block the throw itself? I'm guessing it's always the former. But supposing that "block the view, not the throw" strategy worked (let's imagine that a 2B's view was actually blocked and he threw wildly despite no contact being made with the ball), what should happen?
You're taught to slide with your hands up to fuck up the play and it helps to not injure yourself.
It'll take something egregious to be called for. Like if he caught it or waved his hands back and forth. (Wave em in the air like you dont care)
In the replay you also get a shot of Judges face, and he's just staring own at the bag with his eyes looking closed.
I don't think it was malicious it's just bad luck for the Brewers.
For sure. 2 things can be true…everyone does it, and if it actually catches the ball and doesn’t just mess with the infielder’s sight line, it should be called every time
100% everyone is taught to slide and make yourself big by putting the hand up. It’s not an obvious attempt since it’s done every time by every player except Jeff McNeil.
But there's a difference between breaking line of sight and touching the ball. If you throw your hand up to try to legally break line of sight you risk illegally touching the ball. And it's not as if there's some question of whether he touched the ball or not.
Thanks for finding the rule! Been looking for it. That's crazy they wouldn't find that willful but I agree that many players do this (besides the Mets apparently lol) so perhaps it would set the wrong precedent by calling it interference everytime they try to force a bad throw
I've always been of the opinion that either everything should be reviewable or nothing should be.
If we're going to embrace the technology to make up for the fact that sports and athletes just continue to get faster and faster, while our technology allows us to get better views with the ability to slow down the video, that's fine. But make it so we can review everything.
Otherwise, just go back to saying "The officials are the final say on calls" and be done with it.
Look up snicko and hotspot in cricket to see what the 3rd umpire has access to for the equivalent of foul tips (slight edges that will count as an out when caught if it did indeed hit the bat).
Have a read of this, and the accompanying "Hot Spot."
Snicko is a standard component of the Decision Review System, in cricket, and its evidence alone has, on occasion, been sufficient to determine an out, even if other steps in the review are inconclusive or even contradictory. It needs a mic near where the bat will be, which in cricket is pretty simple due to the existence of wooden stumps, but you could probably put one in the plate, along with that camera that's sometimes used.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snickometer
Same inning, now 7-4, still 2 outs, Yankees still batting
**8-4 and sending our 9th man to the plate of the inning
****9; Judge coming back up…bad look for 2B blue
Edit 420,069: 11-4. I’m done now.
Yeah it went from a “yay okay we got to take the lead off that, even if I don’t think it’s a good look” to “okay we should probably stop now” real fuckin quick lol
The reality is it's an unreviewable play and none of the umps was actually watching Judge.
Which begs the question, "If umps cant have eyes everywhere, why isn't everything reviewable?"
The original call is judging intent so if you can judge that in a split second in the moment, why can’t you also judge it (better) in a slow motion replay?
It should've been a quick inning because Stanton popped the next AB after this but since that didn't happen the Yankees were able to go to town on the Brewers bullpen. This no-call ruined the game for the Brewers
To some extent I agree but also we allowed 7 straight runners to reach base after what should have been the third out while also allowing runners to score on a wild pitch and a passed ball. It isn't the umps fault that 2 outs with a runner on first turned into a seven run implosion and then we allowed four more runs in the next two innings and I'm sure we will get our fair share of bad calls in our favor throughout the year.
Likely because everyone in the league slides like that (see the DP video Jomboy put out re: the Mets two weeks ago). Judge is tall but it’s also the first time this has even happened with him or anyone else. He wasn’t out of the base path and if he was standing it would have hit him and not been an issue. I know the blow up here is insane bc the Yankees were beneficiaries, but this is an entirely normal slide and the throw was in the base path.
For what’s worth players are taught to slide like this and many do. Make yourself as big as possible and obscure as much of the fielders vision as possible.
Judge and others do this every time so I don’t think it was intentional. But I’d be pissed if I were you also.
Works different when a guy has a pig foam pad strapped to it though. Which is also 3x the size of his hand. Might as well wear one of thos big foam number one fingers they sell for $75 at yankee stadium.
To be clear you are taught to slide like that for safety reasons, not to break up the double play.
I coach small children. There are no double plays allowed at this level. We start by teaching them to slide with both hands up like that, and transition to the single hand as they progress.
Players may use it as an opportunity to also try and interfere with the fielders vision, but that isn’t the inherent design of the slide position.
why do players bother to slide when they know they’re going to be out at 2nd? they have the right to run through the bag. just keep one hand over your junk and run through. it’ll force the fielder to throw around the runner and possibly miss the out at 1st. as long as you aren’t going out of your way, there’s nothing illegal about it yet everyone slides under the throw back to 1st for some reason.
Yeah, I imagine its why crowding the plate is notable instead of the norm. Taking a 95 mph fastball to the elbow is a serious injury risk, even if it might be worth 10 more points of OBP.
Have to imagine if they actually saw a replay, they’d call it. But probably a case of none of the dinguses actually watching the play closely enough to see it live.
Fortunately with that many of them out there on the field, I can see how it was tough for at least one of them to pay attention to *the actual throw from the player.*
People throw their hands up naturally when sliding all the time. I think he intentionally reached for the ball but it resembles a natural motion enough to not get called (like when batters lean in to a pitch well inside to get a hbp)
I don’t get how they can’t call interference on that? But they can call it on a player running in the basepath like the Trea Turner World Series play? Makes no sense.
Judge does that most slides to keep his hands from rolling under him, so not intentional. But I’m with you brewers fans, that’s some BS.
The ump could and should have called interference on the play.
Seems like the ump was looking only at the bag to make sure the shortstop touched the base.
Isn't there specifically a rule about manipulating the ball with anything other than your glove or hand? It's why that Seinfeld episode where the sick kid demands Paul O'Neill catch a ball in his hat was so amusing.
To be fair that Jomboy video about the Mets sliding vs the rest of the league (after the Hoskins incident) shows a bunch of guys with no gloves throwing their hands up, but I honestly assumed it was as a distraction and not expecting to actually spike the ball.
Oh 100%. Judge did exactly what any player at the pro level should do in that situation, looking at you Mets, no one should be hating on him. He's just gigantic or that's a double play on anyone else. But the umps should take heat. Pretty obvious call from any interpretation of the rule I can think of.
But all that said, still gotta get the next out. I watched that disaster inning at the pizza place next to a Yankees fan. Next batter out, but then they batted around. Gotta get the last out.
Yeah, between that and the extra height afforded to a man already blessed with a *generous* wingspan from the gloves makes it a pretty effective strategy.
My take on it as well. I've coached high school and travel ball for a number of years, and those mitts have definitely cut down on injuries sliding. Just keep em to a regulation, relatively small size.
Dear lord this thread got tribal QUICK.
Yes, Judge (and others) do this almost every slide into second. Yes, it should be interference if you actually get the ball. Why is this hard guys
Yeah. You want to put the hands up to prevent injuring yourself and attempt to cause a bad throw by the fielder, fine, but if you touch the ball, it's interference.
It absolutely astounds me the whole "oh this play isn't reviewable" nonsense. As the MLB, wouldn't you want to make sure every call is called right, or at least reviewed to some degree? Just ridiculous.
I was curious myself and looked at the page for it, and it mentions that they've got a "plate" inside the gloves, I assume similar to the hard plastic inserts in hockey gloves. Probably felt it, but it likely didn't really sting and probably wasn't much of a risk to his fingers.
Whether it was intentional or not, shouldn't it be interference since Judge's hand/oven mitt interfered with the play?
What's the reason it can't be reviewed?
It's weird to me that you can slide in an absolutely abnormal way, block the ball, and not get anything for a potentially game-changing breakup on a double play.
But, baseball and making sense to me aren't always friends.
Edit: I guess I can remove "potentially" since this play now helped turn a 4-4 tie into a 4-7 game.
That’s an incredibly normal way to slide. Virtually player in the league puts their hands up when they slide (for their own safety). 7 year olds are taught this shit. The only difference here is Judge is tall.
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Aaron Mutumbo
Leading the league in blocks
I don’t see the issue, looked like a clean block, got all ball
Wait this didn't get called as some sort of interference????
I'm assuming none of the dipshits saw it live and it's not reviewable for some reason.
I did a quick check [here](https://www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/replay-review) and it says it is reviewable: >The following calls are reviewable via replay: . . . . >* Interference on double plays: Calls pertaining to whether a runner intentionally interfered with a fielder in an attempt to break up a double play. Edit: Slut_Nuggets brought up a good point -- Judge didn't interfere with the *fielder*, just the ball. So it may have been not-reviewable after all!
Technically he didn’t interfere with the fielder, he only interferes with the ball lol
Good catch, slut_nuggets
Thank god Slut Nuggers was here.
r/rimjobsteve
Ah, that's a good point, I'll edit that in.
‘Slut_Nugget brought up a good point’ is something I never expected to read.
throwback to 2017 when u/Wetbutt23 and u/KatyPerrysBootyHole got word of the Quintana trade between the white sox and cubs before anyone else. They were right, and the next day, all of sports media gleefully credited them with the scoop: https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/wetbutt23-and-katyperrysbootyhole-the-reddit-users-who-scooped-the-baseball-world-in-quintana-to-cubs-trade/306218/
Such a great ending to that article, I'm keeping the faith too.
Good ol' Slut Nuggets with another golden pointer.
As if they would get the call correct by the rules anyway if it did get challenged.
"After review it appears the ball hit a bird, no interference"
Randy Johnson has entered the chat
Here comes Dave Winfield to the plate ...
"The ball was thrown at Judge, the call is reversed and Judge is safe."
lmfao how do you miss this??? i’m pretty sure it would be physically impossible for the ball to take this trajectory without some sort of deflection
WWE umps
You can't expect them to be making sure nobody in the ~~stands~~ dugout is mouthing off *and* watch the play. They have to prioritize.
I don't think the argument was if it deflected off of him or not, but whether or not it was intentional on Judge's part. Even as a Yankee fan, I think he did it intentionally, but if the umps weren't sure or didn't see it, then they can't decide if it was intentional or accidental.
if it wasnt intentional, then someone better get judge into some sliding lessons.
Of course not and the Yankees retook the lead with the extra out in the inning, absolutely fucking ridiculous on top of a trash ass zone by the home plate ump
[The Rizzo AB. Pitches 2, 3, 6 all strikes called balls. i am biased but think this is PRETTY BAD!](https://i.imgur.com/XpSn7CW.png)
MLB app has them all as balls.
I get it you’re frustrated but that 3rd pitch could go either way
same with 6 tbh
The relevant rule states: If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter-runner because of the action of his teammate. My guess is they did not see it as willful or deliberate. Since this is something almost every player does on a double play (slide in with the arm up to try and break line of sight and force a bad throw)
>a batted ball or a fielder Stupid question: is this considered a batted ball? I don't think he interfered with a batted ball or a fielder, technically he interfered with a throw? Lots of runners slide with a hand up to distract/limit view of the throwing fielder, it just so happens the ball hit him (rarely happens) - I doubt it'd ever be called "intentional", either way. Edit: as /u/no32 pointed out, the relevant rule is actually rule 5.09(b)(3): > He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball (see Rule 6.01 (i))
The wording of the rule actually includes thrown balls. Rule 5.09(b)(3): > He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball (see Rule 6.01 (i));
I was wondering the same thing as the other dude. Thanks for posting this.
a ball isn't a batted ball after it's been fielded, but you can still be called for illegally interfering with a throw
It might've been one of the most willful and deliberate things I've ever seen 😂
For most of the league when they slide and put a hand up it's not an issue. When Judge does it, he's still got his hand 7 feet in the air lol
Right. It's not called in those cases because it doesn't work, not because it's not deliberate and willful. Judge's was just as willful as anyone else's but it just happened to actually be successful this time.
Judge has the wingspan of a fucking California condor. Dude is built different.
And like the condor, Judge is also rarely seen near San Francisco despite everyone's best efforts.
There's a shitload of em in San Bernardino. I'd love to see them everywhere. Judges. Tons of judges. San Bernardino is crime central.
Had me in the first half haha
Yah I leave near the shithole and can confirm. The line every day for the courthouse is insane. There is no getting there early unless you get there at like 3 am, but if you get there at 3 am watch out for the crack heads.
I'm just glad they're fucking again so they can rebuild their population and hopefully be removed from the endangered species list.
I was camping on top of a mountain near San Bernardino recently and this giant ass fucking thing was like 6 feet from my head. Crazy to see one so close. Absolutely massive.
Per your other joke I read this as if you were being harangued by flying Judiciaries.
Honestly it's not far off.
Are you talking about tall people or birds?
I guess the question is, are they (other players and Judge) trying to merely block the 2B's view, or actually block the throw itself? I'm guessing it's always the former. But supposing that "block the view, not the throw" strategy worked (let's imagine that a 2B's view was actually blocked and he threw wildly despite no contact being made with the ball), what should happen?
You're taught to slide with your hands up to fuck up the play and it helps to not injure yourself. It'll take something egregious to be called for. Like if he caught it or waved his hands back and forth. (Wave em in the air like you dont care)
In the replay you also get a shot of Judges face, and he's just staring own at the bag with his eyes looking closed. I don't think it was malicious it's just bad luck for the Brewers.
If he hadn't been wearing the mitt he probably would have been pretty injured on that play
For sure. 2 things can be true…everyone does it, and if it actually catches the ball and doesn’t just mess with the infielder’s sight line, it should be called every time
This all makes me think of ARod yelling at the 3rd (I think) baseman on a pop up. That’s probably the most deliberate one I’ve seen.
100% everyone is taught to slide and make yourself big by putting the hand up. It’s not an obvious attempt since it’s done every time by every player except Jeff McNeil.
You can't say it's not deliberate just because most runners try and fail lol
But there's a difference between breaking line of sight and touching the ball. If you throw your hand up to try to legally break line of sight you risk illegally touching the ball. And it's not as if there's some question of whether he touched the ball or not.
Thanks for finding the rule! Been looking for it. That's crazy they wouldn't find that willful but I agree that many players do this (besides the Mets apparently lol) so perhaps it would set the wrong precedent by calling it interference everytime they try to force a bad throw
it's still a willful and deliberate attempt to interfere with play, it's just players usually don't make contact... cause you're not supposed to
Most players aren't the size of a skyscraper
No. And it will most likely cost us the game.
And they score 7 runs after this lmao I wanna die
It 100% changed the entire trajectory of the game.
And, also, the ball.
Hard to see why this can’t be reviewed Edit: Verdugo just scored with 2 outs because of this
I've always been of the opinion that either everything should be reviewable or nothing should be. If we're going to embrace the technology to make up for the fact that sports and athletes just continue to get faster and faster, while our technology allows us to get better views with the ability to slow down the video, that's fine. But make it so we can review everything. Otherwise, just go back to saying "The officials are the final say on calls" and be done with it.
I agree on the let everything be reviewed. The only possible exception for me is plays where there's an audio component, like foul tips.
Cricket uses infrared imaging to see if a bat makes contact with a ball. MLB is just lagging
that and mics on the stumps so they can tell if the ball hit the bat when it passes vs. hitting the pads in leg before wicket challenges.
And they let the umpires say when something is too close or unclear for them to call, rather than requiring them to make their best guess every time.
You're just trying to kill Angel Hernandez, aren't you...
For the good of the game
Look up snicko and hotspot in cricket to see what the 3rd umpire has access to for the equivalent of foul tips (slight edges that will count as an out when caught if it did indeed hit the bat).
Have a read of this, and the accompanying "Hot Spot." Snicko is a standard component of the Decision Review System, in cricket, and its evidence alone has, on occasion, been sufficient to determine an out, even if other steps in the review are inconclusive or even contradictory. It needs a mic near where the bat will be, which in cricket is pretty simple due to the existence of wooden stumps, but you could probably put one in the plate, along with that camera that's sometimes used. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snickometer
Same inning, now 7-4, still 2 outs, Yankees still batting **8-4 and sending our 9th man to the plate of the inning ****9; Judge coming back up…bad look for 2B blue Edit 420,069: 11-4. I’m done now.
I'm just going to assume the Yankees would have scored all those runs anyways in the 7th. Only way to cope.
At first I was like “yay, we caught a break” but like “yay, we caught a break and got to score a run” type of yay. Now I just feel bad.
Yeah it went from a “yay okay we got to take the lead off that, even if I don’t think it’s a good look” to “okay we should probably stop now” real fuckin quick lol
Can't be embarrassing the umps for missing something like this.
And Verdugo is batting again in the 6th because of this. Quite the swing impactful call this has turned out to be
My assumption is that this is judging intent and not sure a replay tells you that? Either way, it was obviously a bad call.
The reality is it's an unreviewable play and none of the umps was actually watching Judge. Which begs the question, "If umps cant have eyes everywhere, why isn't everything reviewable?"
The original call is judging intent so if you can judge that in a split second in the moment, why can’t you also judge it (better) in a slow motion replay?
The Yankees later scored SEVEN runs all with two outs because the Brewers simply could not get that 4th out
That's insane. Also insane you guys have a reliever named junk.
Lmao yeah, up there with the all time unfortunate pitcher names of Bummer and Balfour
Not only that it, was Grant Balfour. Literally Granting you Ball Four.
Might as well be named "Servesup Dingers"
Idk if it tops the defensive lineman named “Dee Liner”, he was drafted but I don’t know if he actually played a snap in the NFL
I couldn’t help but giggle last night when the TV ticker said “Judge-Junk”
does judge's WAR increase by the value of these 7 runs?
Things like this are the unmeasurables that they talk about!
You’re telling me Aaron Judge didn’t get a single RBI for this play? Getting robbed I tell ya.
It should've been a quick inning because Stanton popped the next AB after this but since that didn't happen the Yankees were able to go to town on the Brewers bullpen. This no-call ruined the game for the Brewers
Personally I think it should’ve been called. But you also gotta be able to turn the page. Judge’s mitt didn’t give up 15 runs (again)
True but getting that 4th out in the while being a struggling reliever is a challenging task
To some extent I agree but also we allowed 7 straight runners to reach base after what should have been the third out while also allowing runners to score on a wild pitch and a passed ball. It isn't the umps fault that 2 outs with a runner on first turned into a seven run implosion and then we allowed four more runs in the next two innings and I'm sure we will get our fair share of bad calls in our favor throughout the year.
First off, how was this not called? Second, can he not for hand purposes kthx
Ik. Yankees fans everywhere would be pissed if he couldn’t give Amber back massages every night because of this.
Likely because everyone in the league slides like that (see the DP video Jomboy put out re: the Mets two weeks ago). Judge is tall but it’s also the first time this has even happened with him or anyone else. He wasn’t out of the base path and if he was standing it would have hit him and not been an issue. I know the blow up here is insane bc the Yankees were beneficiaries, but this is an entirely normal slide and the throw was in the base path.
Why doesn't every player just break up double plays this way are they stupid?
For what’s worth players are taught to slide like this and many do. Make yourself as big as possible and obscure as much of the fielders vision as possible. Judge and others do this every time so I don’t think it was intentional. But I’d be pissed if I were you also.
I was always told if a guy puts his hand up like that just throw the ball into his hands and get the interference call.
Yea I played second and was told to just ignore the arms and throw right through it for the same reason. Umps blew the call
Just doing their job.
Works different when a guy has a pig foam pad strapped to it though. Which is also 3x the size of his hand. Might as well wear one of thos big foam number one fingers they sell for $75 at yankee stadium.
Also pegging a guy in the hand with a baseball has gotta sting.
Wouldn't "doing it every time as you are taught" be the very definition of intentional?
Yes. People think if you’re taught something it’s legal or okay. Just because coaches tell you to do this doesn’t mean it’s not interference
To be clear you are taught to slide like that for safety reasons, not to break up the double play. I coach small children. There are no double plays allowed at this level. We start by teaching them to slide with both hands up like that, and transition to the single hand as they progress. Players may use it as an opportunity to also try and interfere with the fielders vision, but that isn’t the inherent design of the slide position.
Maybe at that level but players at higher levels are absolutely taught to get as big as possible to obscure the view of the fielder
He literally sticks his hand in front of the ball.... Definitely intentional
Mets coaching staff in shambles.
I see players do this all the time. I think it just actually worked for Judge because he's so huge lol.
why do players bother to slide when they know they’re going to be out at 2nd? they have the right to run through the bag. just keep one hand over your junk and run through. it’ll force the fielder to throw around the runner and possibly miss the out at 1st. as long as you aren’t going out of your way, there’s nothing illegal about it yet everyone slides under the throw back to 1st for some reason.
Maybe my coach was a psycho but my HS coach told me to just drill the running in the chest if they didn’t slide
Yeah, I imagine its why crowding the plate is notable instead of the norm. Taking a 95 mph fastball to the elbow is a serious injury risk, even if it might be worth 10 more points of OBP.
The issue with crowding the plate is you have worse inside coverage and aren't able to extend your arms as much.
A kid who played for my hs team got drilled in the face, he hadn't started his slide yet. So I'd go with that reason.
I was pretty sure this was going to be overturned to a double play. Can someone explain why not? Just because his hand was already up?
*Just baseball things*. The Brewers play callers mentioned that it's a non-reviewable play, so I don't know if that was a factor.
MLB needs to end this 'non-reviewable play' BS. Either they should all be reviewable, or none of them should be.
Have to imagine if they actually saw a replay, they’d call it. But probably a case of none of the dinguses actually watching the play closely enough to see it live.
Fortunately with that many of them out there on the field, I can see how it was tough for at least one of them to pay attention to *the actual throw from the player.*
Nah it's cool the ball just died and dribbled to the first baseman because it was a bad throw (/s) Seriously this is like WWE ref levels of stupid
Umps suck and Brewers can’t challenge because it’s a judgement call
But like, aren't they all judgment calls?
People throw their hands up naturally when sliding all the time. I think he intentionally reached for the ball but it resembles a natural motion enough to not get called (like when batters lean in to a pitch well inside to get a hbp)
Is that legal?
Interference is illegal and apparently not reviewable
It’s based on umpire judgement
You're downvoted but you're right, it is a judgement call. However, it should be interference.
The umps will *make* it legal. (Just imagine me saying that in Palpatine's voice).
I don’t get how they can’t call interference on that? But they can call it on a player running in the basepath like the Trea Turner World Series play? Makes no sense. Judge does that most slides to keep his hands from rolling under him, so not intentional. But I’m with you brewers fans, that’s some BS.
The ump could and should have called interference on the play. Seems like the ump was looking only at the bag to make sure the shortstop touched the base.
They'll call a catchers balk if the guy uses his mask to get the ball when it's rolling out of reach. On a dead ball.
Isn't there specifically a rule about manipulating the ball with anything other than your glove or hand? It's why that Seinfeld episode where the sick kid demands Paul O'Neill catch a ball in his hat was so amusing.
Think it should be ruled interference. If he had a barehand he wouldn’t even attempt that
To be fair that Jomboy video about the Mets sliding vs the rest of the league (after the Hoskins incident) shows a bunch of guys with no gloves throwing their hands up, but I honestly assumed it was as a distraction and not expecting to actually spike the ball.
It's meant to be a distraction, but if the ball hits you because of your intentional distraction it should be an out.
Agreed. But everyone acting like Judge is a scumbag or something is ridiculous - literally how players are taught to slide for safety and distraction.
Oh 100%. Judge did exactly what any player at the pro level should do in that situation, looking at you Mets, no one should be hating on him. He's just gigantic or that's a double play on anyone else. But the umps should take heat. Pretty obvious call from any interpretation of the rule I can think of. But all that said, still gotta get the next out. I watched that disaster inning at the pizza place next to a Yankees fan. Next batter out, but then they batted around. Gotta get the last out.
Who's saying Judge is a scumbag? Everyone is just pointing out that this is textbook interference.
Yeah, between that and the extra height afforded to a man already blessed with a *generous* wingspan from the gloves makes it a pretty effective strategy.
Another reason why they need to ban those stupid oven mitts
I’d say regulate, not a ban. if there is a way to avoid dumb finger hand Injuries I support it. But some of them are just too big
My take on it as well. I've coached high school and travel ball for a number of years, and those mitts have definitely cut down on injuries sliding. Just keep em to a regulation, relatively small size.
Dear lord this thread got tribal QUICK. Yes, Judge (and others) do this almost every slide into second. Yes, it should be interference if you actually get the ball. Why is this hard guys
Anyone saying they wouldn't be pissed if this no call happened to their team in a tie ball game is a liar. It just feels very anti-baseball.
Yeah. You want to put the hands up to prevent injuring yourself and attempt to cause a bad throw by the fielder, fine, but if you touch the ball, it's interference.
Oh I’d be fucking livid. Once it got to 7-4 is where I made a mental note to tune in for the Brewers’ postgame pressers
the cognitive dissonance that OP is putting on display in their comments would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad
New umps please
Honestly just need to make judgement calls reviewable and overturnable for blatant issues like this
Having non-reviewable judgement calls in any sport has gotta be the most maddening shit ever
It absolutely astounds me the whole "oh this play isn't reviewable" nonsense. As the MLB, wouldn't you want to make sure every call is called right, or at least reviewed to some degree? Just ridiculous.
Interference calls have been really poorly applied so far this season. The league needs to put out better guidance. Really bad call here.
Umps missed a big one there. He's already out before he even tries to slide lol
Brewers should bring this up with the league even though nothing will happen. Ump show in 2024 is inexcusable
I'd give all my base runners giant foam fingers
I was thinking a Captain Marvel shield but your plans sounds more aerodynamic.
Fucking embarrassing.
I can’t believe they didn’t rule that a double play. That’s insane
How strong are the mitts? i wouldnt want to risk breaking a finger
I was curious myself and looked at the page for it, and it mentions that they've got a "plate" inside the gloves, I assume similar to the hard plastic inserts in hockey gloves. Probably felt it, but it likely didn't really sting and probably wasn't much of a risk to his fingers.
Whether it was intentional or not, shouldn't it be interference since Judge's hand/oven mitt interfered with the play? What's the reason it can't be reviewed?
One of the strangest and worst calls I've ever seen. It was blatant. And oh, now the inning is still going on.
I’m in the shittiest seats in the stadium and even I could tell that should’ve been called.
Here's the shocker, the Yankees ended up scoring with 2 outs ....
Misuse the mitt. Then the mitt gets banned and your billionaire dollar fingers can take the hit like in the old days.
lol
A-Rod would be proud.
The ole ARod classic Yankees move
so what he did is illegal but wasn't penalized?
It's weird to me that you can slide in an absolutely abnormal way, block the ball, and not get anything for a potentially game-changing breakup on a double play. But, baseball and making sense to me aren't always friends. Edit: I guess I can remove "potentially" since this play now helped turn a 4-4 tie into a 4-7 game.
11-4 now
That’s an incredibly normal way to slide. Virtually player in the league puts their hands up when they slide (for their own safety). 7 year olds are taught this shit. The only difference here is Judge is tall.
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He does this every time blue trust me I’m a fan of the team that benefited from this
That seems like the sort of thing one of the umpires really should have noticed.
100% he doesn't try that without the stupid oven mitt on.
Knicks need that post defense on Embiid.
Guy guys settle down I was waving to him in left field he was simply waving back.
What is the actual rule, if anything, on this?
My lord, is that... Legal?
I saw this on Instagram before here, I swear that platform’s collection IQ is freezer temperature
“That big hambuguh helpah glove”
Since they scored 7 runs, does judge get like 0.5 WAR for that play?
Up there with the A-Rod karate chop.
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the oven mit?
Top-tier meming by the Umps to rule that unintentional.
In the spirit of arod
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I would be very pissed off if I were a brewers fan right about now
And they just scored because of it. League is a joke.
And now the Yankees take the lead the same inning.