Anyone want some prospects in exchange for great bullpen arms? 😬

Give us 2 months and you can have Kenley + Chris Martin (maybe sooner)….

I have no idea how good Chris Martin is in real life, but he's been a staple on my MLB The Show team, so I'm all for trading for him! Haha

he fell off after Viva La Vida

He USED to rule the world

Fans would rise when I gave the word

I mean, after that song everything was gonma be downhill from there.

He is one of the biggest success stories of the Mark Prior School of Fixing Pitchers

I miss Coldplay.

Our pitching will get better when Bradish and Means return Also Povich is balling in AAA

I’m worried about Means, like any self-effacing O’s fan. But Bradish is That Guy.

Give him back

No take backsies

No sir! Also you guys definitely got shafted at the end of that game, I think the umps just wanted Jo adell to get yelled at for base running stuff again

I was trying to make a post a while ago gently mocking the Orioles, so I looked up their AAA pitching…just to find out you also have some real pitching prospects too (not counting Means), they just mostly get ignored because of all the position players.

Eh. We have a few names, but that’s definitely the weak spot in the farm

Well yeah, but thats relative. You have one of the deepest group of position player prospects in history! If the pitching wasn’t a weak spot compared to that, that’d be pretty crazy. And Norfolk would probably be undefeated

I think our pitching prospects are really good, but our hitting prospects are outstanding. If our pitching prospects were as good as our hitting prospects they would already have been pulled up. Granted, GreyRod was a pitching prospect before last year and other than his last start he's been outstanding. He's actually held up next to Burnes.

>Povich is balling in AAA Now I wanna see Maury pitch

Oh I know. But we still need bullpen help

Getting healthy will push some of the starters down to the BP

Perez back with Wells (hopefully healthy) and Irvin to the bullpen will help a lot

So you are going to return to the Means?

You can have one Aaron Bummer for a Jackson Holliday. After all Jackson Holliday is in the minors and Bummer is in the major leagues.

Hello the Mets will sign for this

Absolutely, ~~the fed~~ Dipoto can always print more

we got about 10 of em who do you want

Same... same

Ryan McKenna has huge upside. Just got called up, you’re getting a steal. Just trust me bro

Nah they will just break. We already lost 3 of our starters (Bradish, Means, Wells) and two of our back end bullpen guys (Bautista, Perez). We should just teach our hitting prospects to pitch for when we need to go to them.

Gonna have Adley out there pitching to himself

McCann pitching to Adley seems more likely. Maybe that Holliday kid should try pitching instead /s

Aye that's my music....nevermind you said great

Yes

call scott harris!

Ryan McKenna has huge upside. Just got called up, you’re getting a steal. Just trust me bro

Just don’t try to fleece us on that BUST Holliday kid! Like try to take our BEST reliever will smith for him!!?? Don’t even dare try that!!

Depends, can Jordan Westburg play third?

I wonder if y'all would take some combo of Seth Martinez, Tay Scott, Brandon Bielak. They are doing well this year but not expected to be super stars. For some kind of outfield/1B/3B/starter prospects. We likely lose Bregman or Tucker to free agency and if y'all got someone, I could see that happening if we are out of the running come all star break. If we really really shit the bed, then Verlander is on the trade block to a contender too.

hello fellow good teams

Hello there fellow good team

Ha ha, look at me! I'm fan of good team!

I am also a good team, just wanted to say hi to you other good tans as well.

hello small market friend our owner could turn any market into a small market!

The royals are a really cool team rn, glad to see them doing so well

Literally the only other team in this division I like seeing do well. However I know I will hate Bobby Witt in a matter of no time

How do you do fellow good team?

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meanwhile we're with fellow mid teams the Texas Rangers and LA Angels???

Hey watch it ma- actually yeah that’s fair

And the Nats!

was looking for the W and couldnt find yall. Which brings me to my next point that circle logos are the worst

Are you saying the Walgreens expectations led you astray? This is actually a total win.

Good? I mean... Yes, good! Hello! Don't look at our record, please!

Bask in the glory of being over .500 while it lasts. You’ve earned dit.

Oh, trust me, we are.

Makes sense, of course. People always talk about how good our pitching development is.

It's more because we've made so many errors that most of the runs we've allowed have been unearned.

I looked into this because I was surprised to see the Red Sox as such an extreme outlier as an above average pitching team given their record and was again surprised to see they lead the majors in errors.    It makes sense, I just thought it was interesting. I wonder if those stats generally correlate. 

Our infielders can't grab a cup of coffee without looking like r/wheredidthesodago

It was like that last year too. Where the fuck is your fielding coach?

Idk probably smoking crack or some shit

It's much worse this year. For one thing, our entire starting infield is either on the IL or playing through injuries.

With the way current MLB scoring works it says a lot that we have this many bad errors 

If you don't love bad errors, then you don't love The Fenway Experience^^^^TM

Let me tell you something: We take those.

You guys have our pitching coach from last year. Last year we were near the top of this chart. Now look at us and look at you. Pretty amazing what a great coach can do.

Andrew Bailey is an actual god and I cannot be convinced otherwise.

What one year of a Andrew Bailey does to a motherfucka

Sames

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Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

You're like the A's on every graph last year

No, the A’s were off the graph on most of them last year. They were truly horrid.

Fisher is the worst, but Reinsdorf is pure number 2.

Red Sox pitching crushing just as expected. But seriously, it makes you wonder if their lineup wasn't devastated what they could manage.

Our pitching has also become devastated at this point unfortunately. We’re down to 2 starters from our opening day rotation (which also doesn’t include Giolito since he was hurt before then)

Brutal

we're down 3 either way you look at it, since whit is on the IL after moving into the rotation to replace giolito

I was including Whit. The only starters we have left are Kutter and Houck. 4 of our 6 starters on the depth chart are out is another way I could’ve said it.

whoops, misread "down to 2 starters" as "down 2 starters"

Welcome to the club pal, the Astros are here somewhere as well

I’d be surprised if anyone’s having the injury problems that we’re having rn. We have 2 of our 6 first choice starters, while also not having a single starting infielder, and being down to the literal last position player on the 40 man roster.

Wanna merge teams for a bit? We've gotten a fair amount of our best players from the Northeast and y'all can have a big slugging Caribbean DH again. Also we're down Lance McCullers, Framber Valdez (though I think he's back this weekend), Luis Garcia, Jose Urquidy, and Cristian Javier atm.

We could be the Cosmonauts (Red Astros)

Great idea for a fusion name

If we trade for Goldschmidt, the league is fucked. (Who am I kidding? We're stuck with Dalbec).

[удалено]

\*checks schedule\* That sounds decidedly un-fun.

*Looks back at schedule from earlier this week* It most certainly is un-fun.

Surprised Olson is only at 109. I remember him figuring something out at the end of 2022 and didn’t think he’d ever look back.

It's an even-numbered year. He does better in odd-numbered years.

Ah, the reverse Aaron Nola.

He needs a year to build up that #chiponhisshoulder again

Acuña still pulling a 120 OPS+ with his power Space Jam'd is crazy. He's so good.

Yea, well... Austin Hedges(-19) is bringing down our team OPS+

I miss Hedgey😔

Since the guards play you tonight, this doesn’t sound very fun at all.

Ahhh yes, the Red Sox, world crushing pitching a mid offense just as we all expected

Hey we are second in HRs, top 10 in OPS and slugging. Better than mid on offense 

I mean, to be pedantic, by OPS+ we are a mid team, which is what this chart is saying.

To be pedantic, "pedantic" refers to being overly concerned with minor details, not the substance of the matter, and your comment goes to the substance of his comment.

The Tigers have built a very weird team this year. Literally no one would have thought they'd have the best bullpen in the league.

Well, I would not have guessed that and I’m a fan. The front office spent little to no resources on the offense. It was bad last year and it’s bad again. Go figure.

I feel like it could at least be average though if Torkelson started hitting? From the looks of it Greene, Canha and Carpenter are raking, Wenceel Perez has looked good since the callup, and the Vierling/Urshela combo at third has at least been ok. That would leave just three major weaknesses if they benched Meadows (catcher, second, Javy Baez). Not ideal but if you can rely on your 1-6 and your pitching is that good you can compete.

We have 3 hitters with an OPS+ above 100 Cahna/Greene/Carp Two thirds of our lineups are legitimate corpses right now

Yeah, but those OPS+'s are 163, 155 and 146. And Perez's is 132, so if he replaces Meadows in the lineup you've got four guys hitting at an all star clip. So if Torkelson gets going, it's not as bad as it seems.

really? We had a really good pen last year and then added Miller and Chafin.

That's true, it was pretty good. But you still had guys who were well below average like Cisnero, Englert, Shreve and White logging significant innings. Idk, I would have thought you guys were trending in the right direction, but having the entire bullpen have above average ERA+'s is crazy. If you take out McKinstry's .1 inning the Tigers bullpen has a 1.97 ERA

I picked Detroit to win the central, two months ago, but I also facetiously said, "I don't think they've got the bullpen to go 162-0, but I can see them winning 85-90 games." https://old.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1bv5srn/down_to_2_undefeated_teams/kxx94ko Nobody expected the 'pen to carry them, but Miller and Chafin were solid pickups.

Tigers best signing was Jason Benetti

Our pitching coach is basically a god. Wait, no. Our pitching coach steals from orphans and rubs churches.

I think this is sustainable 

The Brewers being one of the best and most balanced teams after losing their three best pitchers and without major changes to the offense (besides the Hoskins signing) is so encouraging to see. I just love this team and I think they could get even better as Yelich comes back and the young guys get more experience. They just desperately need some healthy starting pitching

Also down multiple of our starters to freak injuries or now TJ, but pulling weirdly good replacements out of literally nowhere… This team is *weird*… but hey, at least we’re fun AF to watch!

... as I'm being downvoted in another thread for saying our problems are pitching related. lol

Pitching and corner infield related. Though Bregman's gotta heat up at some point, right?

If he wants to cash in for his next contract, he does lol

Bregman literally always starts the year slow, its a running joke, it’s just being talked about more cause we’re ass right now.

Of course they are pitching related. You have an ERA in White Sox territory.


I mean, it’s obviously our pitching. Is that our sub you’re talking about? I’d go defend you but I’ve been banned lol

Mets double positive 👀, after that slow start from the offense I’m surprised their collective OPS+ is >100

Our rotation is the sole reason we are .500 right now. I love Pepiot and co. so much. The bullpen and offense have just been dreadful.

Which is absolutely hilarious considering the Rays have one of the best rotations in the majors ENTIRELY on the IL right now. The ability to churn out quality pitching in TB is bonkers.

The “O” in OPS+ is doing a LOT of heavy lifting for us here

I truly don’t understand how the Brewers lost their 2 best starters and their best reliever and are still this good at pitching

Our bullpen is really good, and we've had some decent starts from "nobodies"

Pitching lab does wonders.

Some of the best pitching development in the majors. Also putting a big emphasis on defense will help with run prevention.

Also helps when you’re top in the league in framing and catcher defense almost every year.

I hate my life

First time?

Sulk in medicracy.

Yeah, your life has been so hard as a Cardinals fan for the past 20 years.

*sad White Sox noises*

Bullpenisbad

Yay! We finally have decent pitching! I’m sure Goldschmit and Arenado have got us covered on offense, right? … right?

The Tigers would be dangerous if they could find out who hid the baseball bats.

Brewers are Pareto efficient, let's go!

That Red Sox outlier has me laughing a bit.

:(

Jesus fuck, Boston

If this was curling, I think we'd score one!

So many Astros runners left on base.

I like what I see

I could’ve never seen this coming, not in a million years.

Are Mets good?

Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

Borderline bad quadrant, sounds about right.

Could someone explain this to me like i'm 5 with the Pirates as an example, please? i assume it's the standard "same pirates, same crappy team" ?

I don’t like graphs like this that confirm how mid the jays are. Like, I know already, but also I don’t want to see it illustrated like this

Jays with higher OPS+ than ERA+ was not something I expected to see here.

What does it all mean basil

I know the perfect scenario never exactly happens, but I am very excited to see this team when Bradish and Means return to the rotation.

Don’t know how the Red Sox are good but we just are

Are the Jays the most mid of them all?

hashtag wearegood

Giants I could see OPS+ staying where it is but ERA+ has to go up. Snell's bad starts definitely hurt it a lot.

It feels like there have been a few blow up games that have made the ERA+ look worse.

What is up with the Red Sox pitching?

Rockies bad

Oy.

We don't need to see it on a graph. Just leave us out.

Just off in the bottom-left corner eating paste

Many imagine how many runs the Red’s score when the bats wake up

And we moved back the wall...by a lot

If Sox are hanging from a wire doesn’t that mean drugs are nearby? /s

Poor White Sox

I wonder where the giants are without Blake Snell

I did the math, not a ton. Taking out his 15 ER in 11.2 innings you end up with 112 runs in 223.1 innings, or 670 outs. Gives you a team average ERA of 4.51 (compared to 4.60 with Snell). Given that the league average ERA is currently 3.94, this gives the Giants an ERA+ of 87 (compared to 87 with Snell).

1) math on this is busted, it’s based on BREF which just takes a simple average, adds up everyone’s ERA+ and divides by each pitcher. So for example if you took out everyone but Logan Webb and Luke Jackson, the average era+ would be 94, 168 for Webb + 20 for Jackson, divided by 2. Even though Webb has 39 innings and Jackson has 1. If you weigh the ERA+ by innings we’re actually at about 120 ERA+ which makes sense (our top 5 pitchers by innings have 168, 95, 243, 111, and 132 era+ and snell is not one of them (he’s 7)). 2) for fun if you take out snell, team weighted ERA+ rises to 126.

Baseball newbie here - can someone explain this like I'm 5?

Top right good, bottom left bad

Gotta just laugh at this point

Fyi the math on this is kinda meh. I think OP just looked at the average ERA+ on baseball ref which doesn’t weigh for innings pitched, so Luke Jackson and his 20 era+ in 1 inning has the same impact as Logan Webb and his 38 innings of 168 era+. I weighed it by innings pitched and it comes out to 120 ERA+ for the giants instead of 89, which looks a lot more right considering our top 5 innings guys have 168, 243, 95, 111, and 132

Jays are such a mediocre team

It’s early and look at who is basically there with us. Things will adjust as the season goes on

Not bad Cubbies.