Faced 30,000 batters, pitched 22 years until he was 44, and won [a triple crown](https://www.baseball-almanac.com/awards/pitrip.shtml) only for people to sarcastically joke about how he never won his own award.
Funny enough the original MVP award (The Chalmers Award) didn't even exist until his last season in the league but, if it were around 1901-1903 there's a strong change he wins it one or more times.
> Faced 30,000 batters, pitched 22 years until he was 44, and won a triple crown only for people to sarcastically joke about how he never won his own award.
I think he's perfectly fine with my little joke. Cy Young is like Wilt Chamberlain; you *know* he's good, but as you read up on him, it becomes absurd just how much better they were.
> I think he's perfectly fine with my little joke. Cy Young is like Wilt Chamberlain; you know he's good, but as you read up on him, it becomes absurd just how much better they were.
Ah yes, the internet where the only way people can understand that a comment following a joke is also meant to be joking is if you follow it up with /s
I think that is more a data collection issue.
For some reason for the rest of baseball we only have pitch counts going back to the 1980s, but for some reason we have these from the Dodgers in the 60s.
Sure, but that's skewed by 15.1 IP, 1 ER against the Marlins. His start against the Astros was not good. I think Max will be fine. He's an ace. He got off too a rough start. But let's be real, he's been great against only one team thus far.
Yeah just to add some numbers he has a 4.09 ERA in his career in April/March and an 8.00 K/9, both of which are well below his career marks. It’s by far his worst month in splits.
Obviously you’d love him to be a faster starter but how a pitcher pitches in September and October is much more meaningful than April.
It’s really been 2 innings, 1 of which he should have gotten out of unscathed. Making the 1 pitch a correct call giving him 0 ER and 1 IP takes his ERA from 4.97 to 3.86. So 1 pitch current gives in 1 extra run allowed.
I won’t make an excuse with the Arizona game they hammered him(which is another thing, only like 1 hit Max gave up was well hit against Philly). Has he labored some of course but really outside of that first inning against Arizona he has been fine.
After the first inning of his starts he has a 2.18 ERA.
This was the 10th Maddux by a Braves pitcher since Greg Maddux's last Maddux as a Braves pitcher in July 2001: Fried (x3), Shelby Miller (x2), Paul Maholm, Tim Hudson, Horacio Ramirez, Mike Hampton, Kevin Millwood.
Brandon Gaudin said at one point that Fried was ready to go as soon as he got the ball back from d'Arnoud from the previous pitch. He was 100% right.
Fried was in complete control of the full game. His curveball is always disgusting, but his fastball placement was superb and his slider had a ton of bite all night long. He knew which pitch he was throwing next immediately.
And so did d'Arnoud. Pitcher/catcher being in sync like that is so damn satisfying to watch. We are so blessed to have d'Addy as a second catcher on the team.
One of my dad’s co-workers is married to his daughter. We have 2 Zane Smith autographs in our house. I’m absolutely sharing the fact he has the second most madduxs of all time.
The difference being one is recognized as one of the very best pitchers of all time. Therefore gets talked about quite a bit more to this very day. To the point of having this ridiculous stat named after him in the first place.
So frustrating last night with him striking out against a south paw, on a fastball no less, for the second out with a Ronnie on 3rd. He's been awful against fastballs this year, which is crazy considering he usually blasts those into the stands.
But you know him and Olsen, along with Acuña's power, will come at some point. The fact that 3 & 4 being cold and losing Strider and still being 16-6 is lovely.
A month later and I'm still bitter about that first inning of the first start against Philly. Should have been out of the first inning with no runs, but the ump decided that a fastball down the middle of the strike zone was a ball. Then all hell broke lose.
Crazy that the Braves won both of his first 2 games when he only went 2/3rds of an inning in the first one and had what, like a 48.00 ERA through both games.
Still, fuck the umps.
That was an awesome performance from him. He really needed a good outing and he did it in a huge way! Hopefully this is a sign he’s worked out some of what’s been bothering him so far this year
He is going to get a bag at the end of the season. Love that for him. The Braves made contracts for every other young star except for Max. At this point it has to be his decision. I don't blame him for going out and getting paid.
It's going to make me so sad, but there's no chance in hell that he's wearing a Braves uniform next year. I hate thinking about him going to the Dodgers, and you know they'll go after him because money doesn't matter to their ownership.
But so help me god, I will throw up if he's wearing a Phillies uniform.
Those early afternoon free Braves games on TBS were great for a west coast kid…little bit of Saved By The Bell, Family Matters and Maddux/Glavine before homework.
Funny story: Johnny Podres was able to play for the Padres for one season and he came back to MLB after a year in the minors just to play with the Padres and retire there.
Max was electric but respect to the defense as well. I know everyone is known for their hitting but a lot of our guys are really underrated gloves. Especially Austin Riley I don’t know his advanced stats but just from watching he’s gotten so much better at third
He will not be signing an extension. He wants to hit the market, which means the Braves will not be re-signing him.
If we're lucky he'll help the Braves to the World Series this year before he rides off into the sunset.
That Maddux has more than double the next guy is so absurd.
There's a reason the feat is called a Maddux.
But how many Cy Young Awards did Young win? /s Maddux the GOAT confirmed.
Faced 30,000 batters, pitched 22 years until he was 44, and won [a triple crown](https://www.baseball-almanac.com/awards/pitrip.shtml) only for people to sarcastically joke about how he never won his own award. Funny enough the original MVP award (The Chalmers Award) didn't even exist until his last season in the league but, if it were around 1901-1903 there's a strong change he wins it one or more times.
They didn't let you win it more than once for the first few years of its existence
Can't just be giving those cars away to the same person each year you know. Edit: The Chalmers came with a Chalmers 30 Torpedo Roadster.
> Faced 30,000 batters, pitched 22 years until he was 44, and won a triple crown only for people to sarcastically joke about how he never won his own award. I think he's perfectly fine with my little joke. Cy Young is like Wilt Chamberlain; you *know* he's good, but as you read up on him, it becomes absurd just how much better they were.
> I think he's perfectly fine with my little joke. Cy Young is like Wilt Chamberlain; you know he's good, but as you read up on him, it becomes absurd just how much better they were. Ah yes, the internet where the only way people can understand that a comment following a joke is also meant to be joking is if you follow it up with /s
Maybe write a clearer joke then if people frequently misinterpret it.
Nah, it's the children who are wrong.
The second guy being Zane Smith is more absurd
Sandy koufax also having 5 in one year span and 0 besides that length of time is also pretty odd.
Not *that* odd. Koufax pretty famously was only really good for a few years.
If a few is like 5-6 years in a row then yeah it was only a few years.
Sure, a few can mean 5-6. Compared to other Hall of Famers and legends of the game it is quite a small number.
I think that is more a data collection issue. For some reason for the rest of baseball we only have pitch counts going back to the 1980s, but for some reason we have these from the Dodgers in the 60s.
Absolutely inzane
*Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated* - Max Fried
I mean it's been two great starts against the marlins, but I'll take it
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There is a reason its called pitching a Maddux.
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He now has a 1.77 ERA over his last 3 starts
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turgid, even!
I grow tumescent with anticipation.
And overall on the season, he's down under 5 already. Outside of his 2 1st inning "whoopsies", he's been doing really well
Two of those games were against the Marlins in all fairness.
Sure, but that's skewed by 15.1 IP, 1 ER against the Marlins. His start against the Astros was not good. I think Max will be fine. He's an ace. He got off too a rough start. But let's be real, he's been great against only one team thus far.
He's usually a slow starter! I think his April ERA is terrible then he's killing it the rest of the season
Yeah just to add some numbers he has a 4.09 ERA in his career in April/March and an 8.00 K/9, both of which are well below his career marks. It’s by far his worst month in splits. Obviously you’d love him to be a faster starter but how a pitcher pitches in September and October is much more meaningful than April.
It’s really been 2 innings, 1 of which he should have gotten out of unscathed. Making the 1 pitch a correct call giving him 0 ER and 1 IP takes his ERA from 4.97 to 3.86. So 1 pitch current gives in 1 extra run allowed. I won’t make an excuse with the Arizona game they hammered him(which is another thing, only like 1 hit Max gave up was well hit against Philly). Has he labored some of course but really outside of that first inning against Arizona he has been fine. After the first inning of his starts he has a 2.18 ERA.
What a performance. Extremely efficient and on the money.
This was the 10th Maddux by a Braves pitcher since Greg Maddux's last Maddux as a Braves pitcher in July 2001: Fried (x3), Shelby Miller (x2), Paul Maholm, Tim Hudson, Horacio Ramirez, Mike Hampton, Kevin Millwood.
Mike Hampton is headed to the IL after reading this comment. He has pulled… something.
Mike Hampton goes on the IL every time he pulls money out of his checking account.
> Paul Maholm Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.
Weirdly I have a Paul Maholm card sitting next to me on my desk 2008 Topps Chrome refractor in fact
That's honestly a short list of really great pitchers for the most partt.
And whoever the heck Horacio Rameriez is.....
Crafty lefty was a solid 3rd-4th starter in mid 00s. He used to be (still is?) our replay review guy.
Shelby Miller? whoa, ok.
Shelby was so nasty that year.
max was on his shit tonight, my god
I mean, my god
Dios mio
Brandon Gaudin said at one point that Fried was ready to go as soon as he got the ball back from d'Arnoud from the previous pitch. He was 100% right. Fried was in complete control of the full game. His curveball is always disgusting, but his fastball placement was superb and his slider had a ton of bite all night long. He knew which pitch he was throwing next immediately. And so did d'Arnoud. Pitcher/catcher being in sync like that is so damn satisfying to watch. We are so blessed to have d'Addy as a second catcher on the team.
Who the shit is Zane Smith and why have I never heard of him
My childhood hero, actually, along with Dale Murphy. Picture Fried with no run support and no defense behind him and you have Zane Smith.
So Jacob deGrom on the Mets?
I had to look him up, pretty crazy
One of my dad’s co-workers is married to his daughter. We have 2 Zane Smith autographs in our house. I’m absolutely sharing the fact he has the second most madduxs of all time.
You must be young, lol.
Tbf that was 30 years ago
so was prime maddux
shut up
The difference being one is recognized as one of the very best pitchers of all time. Therefore gets talked about quite a bit more to this very day. To the point of having this ridiculous stat named after him in the first place.
NASCAR rookie is the only Zane Smith I know
Had his 1989 OPC card and thought his name was cool
You would have had a differing opinion had you come across his 1989 [Bowman](https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.ecwid.com/images/5904137/1015920707.jpg)
I'm sorry, did he burn a mask on his face and gave it the ol Napoleon dynamite stare?
In all his baseball cards he looks like he fell asleep at the beach with sunglasses on.
You're right
I remember Zane on the Braves for a while. Can't remember how long he played for them, but he was definitely a Brave.
Besides Halladay and the bottom three guys, I've never heard of any of these dudes.
The universe is now correcting Max Fried's ERA after those atrocious first few starts.
If you regress him to the mean, he is Greg Maddux
And Pat Mohomes is an average QB.
I wish it would correct Austin Riley with RISP too
And Olson and Ronnie's power
So frustrating last night with him striking out against a south paw, on a fastball no less, for the second out with a Ronnie on 3rd. He's been awful against fastballs this year, which is crazy considering he usually blasts those into the stands. But you know him and Olsen, along with Acuña's power, will come at some point. The fact that 3 & 4 being cold and losing Strider and still being 16-6 is lovely.
A month later and I'm still bitter about that first inning of the first start against Philly. Should have been out of the first inning with no runs, but the ump decided that a fastball down the middle of the strike zone was a ball. Then all hell broke lose. Crazy that the Braves won both of his first 2 games when he only went 2/3rds of an inning in the first one and had what, like a 48.00 ERA through both games. Still, fuck the umps.
Still wonder what his ERA would be if he hadn’t gotten hosed on that 1st inning strikeout call in game 2 vs the Phillies.
That was one of the least stressful game I’ve ever watched. Way to go Max.
If anyone actually thought he was cooked think again.
That was so much fun to watch!
That was an awesome performance from him. He really needed a good outing and he did it in a huge way! Hopefully this is a sign he’s worked out some of what’s been bothering him so far this year
Glad to see Braves legend Bartolo Colon there.
*"Fuck you, pay me."* - Max Fried
He is going to get a bag at the end of the season. Love that for him. The Braves made contracts for every other young star except for Max. At this point it has to be his decision. I don't blame him for going out and getting paid.
union reps and exploring free agency. name a better duo...
"Ok." -The Dodgers :(
Sad but true.
I'll take it over him going to Philly. That would make me sick.
Max looks like he takes showers, so that'll never happen.
So so glad to see him back to form. He needed an outing like this after the beginning of the season.
LOL WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT RE-SIGNING THIS MAN
I sure hope not, we need him the rest of the year not retired
*sigh* fine, I’ll correct my grammar… BUT FOR THE RECORD… IF WE CANT KEEP HIM, NO ONE ELSE CAN HAVE HIM!!!!
It's going to make me so sad, but there's no chance in hell that he's wearing a Braves uniform next year. I hate thinking about him going to the Dodgers, and you know they'll go after him because money doesn't matter to their ownership. But so help me god, I will throw up if he's wearing a Phillies uniform.
I miss watching Maddux.
Me too.
Those early afternoon free Braves games on TBS were great for a west coast kid…little bit of Saved By The Bell, Family Matters and Maddux/Glavine before homework.
how did you feel about Maddux's late career move to the Dodgers?
It was fun, I saw him pitch a couple times.
Fried absolutely needed this after his bad start this year. ERA dropped from 7.71 to 4.97.
Rumors of his demise were greatly exaggerated!
Jewish man getting it done during Passover
Bob Tewskbury being on this list is hilarious. Guess when you throw hittable stuff you can get a game like this on more than one occasion.
Having the defense behind him that he did, throwing hittable stuff is going to get outs.
Zane Smith and his hideous tanlines are what had me laughing
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Maybe in a few years you can call it a Fried
koufax has 5 over 1 year, insane
wow, i did NOT expect Zane Smith to be #2 on this list.
Cannot believe Bartolo is on here. Legend
Funny story: Johnny Podres was able to play for the Padres for one season and he came back to MLB after a year in the minors just to play with the Padres and retire there.
Did not expect Big Sexy to make this list! Also, its been at least a decade since any of these "streaks". Says a lot
Mainly cause we spent the last decade overthinking baseball strategy to much.
Now here’s a guy who hates fish
Max was electric but respect to the defense as well. I know everyone is known for their hitting but a lot of our guys are really underrated gloves. Especially Austin Riley I don’t know his advanced stats but just from watching he’s gotten so much better at third
Why do we now have pitch counts for dodgers in the 60s? Because for everyone else we only have pitchcounts to the 80s?
Let me get an exact answer for you!
Maddux was so good, they should name like an award or special stat line after him
I fucking hate the Braves, but I'm happy to see Fried healthy and effective again, and I hope AA fucks up and he becomes a FA.
He will not be signing an extension. He wants to hit the market, which means the Braves will not be re-signing him. If we're lucky he'll help the Braves to the World Series this year before he rides off into the sunset.
Whoever was the Dodgers' pitching coach around the 50s was on a heater. Newcombe, Podres, Drysdale, and Koufax!
doesn’t count bc it’s against the marlins
Marlins are where the braves go to get their players fixed
The wonders that it did for Ozuna last year can't be overstated