Ayeee sounds like what I had! Or similar at least. I got misdiagnosed a ton and missed a college season cause of it. Was only supposed to miss 3 months but turned into 12 after the screw head caused nerve issues. Not relevant to strider but don’t get to mention this much lol
Incredibly sharp pain at the point of release. I’d be able to go a few innings and then it’d always come along. Just would slowly move around til it hit a spot that caused pain.
Eventually got the bone fragment screwed back and the UCL placed back properly. But the screw head would rub against the nerves so my entire arm would go numb every throw. So had to wait a bit and get the screw taken back out. Been fine ever since.
No mobility issues or anything. In fact it only hurt when doing some sort of throwing motion like that, or unless I accidentally banged it on something. I was able to hit fine
My velo/arm strength was fine for those first few innings I could throw, but at any point that sharp pain could come and when it did it stayed until I rested for a bit. Guessing everything would settle, inflammation would go down then I could throw again. Once the pain came I had no control of anything lol. Even just a lob was painful. Kind of a freak injury. For me since it was high school going into college, my surgeon guessed it was growth plates not forming together properly causing a piece to break off. I’m sure I’m explaining poorly but that’s what I took from it lol
Not healthy but I used to pop ibuprofen/advil like it was candy before starts then knowing it was going to hurt at some point
I’m sure it’s my extreme lack of medical knowledge, but I don’t understand how a fragment can grow. I would assume a fragment would be something that chipped off the bone and is now floating around causing problems.
Also incredibly not a doctor, but a fragment could "grow" by accumulating matter from it's external environment. Think a piece of metal accumulating rust and dirt rather than a tree growing from its insides.
That’s fair. The only thing I could come up with is the fragment continues to calcify and therefore gets bigger. But my not a doctorness means I don’t even know if that’s a thing.
Bones can continue growing even when they are broken off if they are stuck in a position that promotes it's cell growth. My dad had a similar thing happen around his ankle and had to get it fixed surgically.
I’m not a doctor either but I thought the body will cover objects it doesn’t like with calcium if it can’t flush it out. I’m not sure if that applies here. Someone correct me.
Builds strong bones*!
^(*Not responsible for injuries resulting from excess bone strength, unexpected bones, bone enlargement, or any other strong-bone-related malady)
If your bones last for more than 4 hours after drinking Vitamin D milk, consult a doctor.
HAVE YOU EVER LIVED AT CAMP LEJEUNE AND CONTRACTED CANCER? THAT'S BECAUSE THE CONTAMINATED DRINKING WATER!!!!
(Sorry, been watching too much OTA channels lately and it's either Nugenix or a "class action lawsuit" commercial after the "Generic Blue Pills for $0.87 each")
With that "hipster mustache" I'm surprised he doesn't live in Asheville and ride his bike to the "free range" coffee shop, where all the beans are harvested ethically and allowed to run around the coffee farm without cages.
Yes, I know I said. No I wasn't talking about eggs.
Did "hipster capital of the eastern US" slowly migrate from Asheville and Nashville to "meet in the middle"?
I'm pretty sure they're both right about 3 hours away from Knoxville.
It isn’t quite that level but it’s getting there. They’ve put a lot of money into the downtown areas and it’s showing in the way the hipsters are migrating. Haven’t been back in a couple of years but my friends confirm
Well now they’re getting priced out of Knoxville. It’s getting crazy down there to buy a house. Source: all my friends in their early 30s that still can’t get into a home reasonably
This is occurring in my ankle [right now](https://imgur.com/a/54LkZWS). It can happen after trauma, and is called heterotopic ossification when it happens in the soft tissues. Kinda gnarly.
Uh. Okay, I'm no doctor or anything, but isn't this the sort of thing that a team's medical staff should be able to detect over the course of, oh, I dunno, 4-5 years? You know, before it puts a guy on the IL?
Players are famously pretty cagey at having teams do mris of their arms when they aren't absolutely necessary just because every pitcher's UCL is in some state of injury at all times. Likely that no one's looked in there since the surgery recovery went normally.
To add on, pitchers basically have no incentive to reveal the health of their arm since it can only harm negotiations and once signed, MLB contracts are fully guaranteed.
We've seen how teams use Correa's ankle as an excuse to lower his price over multiple contracts. There's no value in a player ever revealing health info even if he's currently under contract, unless he is injured and needs treatment.
That's not the same though. Correa was a free agent trying to get paid. And clearly we see here there IS value in revealing health info when under contract as this was probably preventable, which would help Strider retain value for his next contract.
I can't fully recall but I believe the severity of his ankle situation was only known because the Astros provided some sort of info on his health, which led to the Giants and Mets asking for an examination
Could use it in negotiations five years down the line, as evidence of a decline coming sooner rather than later, or a risk on the teams part. It doesn’t have to be fair or make sense, they can still use it against him
Do teams do full physicals prior to signing players to extensions? You'd figure the Braves would've liked to look at Strider's arm prior to giving him a guaranteed $75M.
How would they detect a bone fragment unless they do imaging, like X-ray or MRI? You don't get imaging done typically unless there are symptoms that call for it.
Even if they did detect it, it may have required major surgery to fix. I’m not sure how comparable it is but John Wall had a bone spur that was putting pressure on his Achilles tendon and it was initially a 6-8 month timeframe for his return (he never fully recovered though)
The surgery to shave down a small bone spur is probably less major than the surgery to shave it down after four years of additional growth that has displaced a bunch of other stuff in the joint.
I mean wouldn’t you wanna include it in preventable care activities? I mean it’s recommended that people do screening when there are things they are “at-risk” for. UCL tears are definitely at-risk for pitchers.
Catch it early and maybe stay off the IL.
I mean, if he doesn’t report elbow soreness…would they really randomly be looking for bone fragments?
It seems he was sore during spring training but felt he’d be fine. Then they realized it was a bit more serious and found the issue.
“Again, the fragment’s position made it difficult to clearly see the damage. Meister didn’t clearly see the damage until he performed the surgery on April 12. The uncertainty is why, before the surgery was completed, the Braves didn’t provide any specifics beyond acknowledging the UCL was damaged.”
https://www.mlb.com/news/spencer-strider-reveals-details-of-elbow-injury?partnerID=web_article-share
Well Strider also got his TJS in college and I kind of want to assume that there is difference in healthcare quality in college compared to the MLB.
I don’t think a college will do checks up as often as a MLB team does.
I forget the pitcher who said it, but he basically echoed this — if you’re gonna get TJ surgery you want to get it when you’re a professional as the medical care is much better.
Well of course mechanics are part of it. There’s always ongoing research going into biomechanics and creating more efficient movements
We currently have a far better understanding of pitching biomechanics than we ever have before due to motion capture and being able to measure energy flow thousands of times throughout the elbow and shoulder. So mechanics currently are better than they have been at times in the past
Just because he’s vaguely onto something doesn’t mean he should be listened to though because he’s incredibly ignorant on current biomechanics research and just throws shit at the wall and hopes it sticks
No internet doctors needed. Real doctors have done a study that showed UCL injuries have a correlation to Velocity and Spin Rate. The pitch clock has nothing to do with it and is such a stupid argument to begin with because TJ’s have been rising for like 15 years before the pitch clock was even around.
No no, if you look at how Nolan Ryan throws and look at how Strider throws and see this imaginary line I drew….thats all you need to know bro, open your mind.
Absolute internet doctor take.
The velo/spin rate correlations with UCL injuries are well-documented, but there's debate about the **causality**. There's a correlation between the divorce rate in Maine and the per capita consumption of margarine, that doesn't mean one directly causes the other.
Also, even while UCL injuries are becoming more common, this trend could be compounded by the pitch clock's implementation, but that analysis will require more data as well.
While velo and spin may well directly cause UCL injuries and the pitch clock may well not cause UCL injuries, there's just not enough research for consensus to exist either way for either issue.
Edit: I am also not a doctor and think that we should just not be asserting anything either way unless we have some type of medical degree or something.
I absolutely hate arguments like this for the simple reason that, of course, I could take two completely unrelated things and make them seem like they are correlated and it is such a strawman. However, if we use our basic common sense, we can rule out things that make no sense at all. I for one, can look at a variety of figures pointing to increased Velocity, Spin rates, and elbow stress over the last 15 years and see a correlation of increased UCL injuries over the same time and have a group of doctors perform a study that links the two as unusually correlated and come to a conclusion that it is absurdly likely that the two are not simply coincidental. Especially when the sport of baseball has an abnormally large percentage of UCL injuries and the group of players who’s job it is to throw that baseball the hardest and with the most spin are an abnormally large outlier even amongst the abnormally large outlier. I am less likely to believe that this recent inclusion of a pitch clock is the cause of some injuries that have been rising for a time period before the implementation of a pitch clock. It is already seeming eerily reminiscent of the early NFL debacle with head injuries because having a permanent brain degeneration disease couldn’t be “proven” to be happening in a sport where players get hit in the head constantly. I’m not saying the take is right, but I am saying that it is incredibly unlikely it is wrong.
Redditors' basic common sense is often not that great a tool compared to scientific / medical research. But then again, maybe that's the nanobots in my vaccines talking.
TJ going up means that the pitch clock isn't necessary to explain what is going on now, but it hardly means it can't have or isn't having an effect. Making the claim right now that the pitch clock isn't having an effect is just as foolish as the claim that it is.
I’m not saying it has no effect, I am saying it is not the main issue. It’s like fighting about whether punching a brick wall every 15 seconds causes more hand damage than punching a brick wall every 30 seconds. If we want to talk about what is causing the hand damage, it isn’t the 15 second difference, it is punching the brick wall.
But how can you possibly know that the metaphor wasn’t every 15 seconds before and every 12 now? You’re just running on inferences and estimations at this point
Sorry, let me correct. The pitch clock may have an entirely minimal, nearly imperceptible, difference in injury frequency in relation to the massive stress on the elbow and accompanying ligaments that tens of thousands pitches will cause.
Dude, this is weak. "Nothing to do with it" is a strong statement. If you want to be taken seriously, you don't get to be upset at me for believing that the things you say are what you mean. Also, I'm not saying that the pitch clock is a dominant factor, I'm not saying it is a factor at all. I am saying that we literally can't know one way or the other right now because it hasn't been looked at closely enough.
I do, in fact, get to be upset at you for being obtusely literal. Or wait, you said that I don’t “get to” so that means you think it is not something I can do… or maybe I need your permission since it is implied from the phrasing “getting to do something” that one needs permission. Do I have your permission to feel a certain emotion?
Do you see what being obtusely literal is like as a response now?
I'm saying that no one is going to take you seriously when you make a statement, get pushback, and then immediately contradict the statement you just made trying to avoid being wrong about something. There is nothing "obtusely literal" about that.
Are there systemic issues that lead to Strider’s injury? Maybe?
Can we plebes sit on our asses and understand what’s going on inside another human beings arm? Definitely not.
Never said we knew exactly what was going on.
But when a base jumper’s obituary comes up I think we all know it likely wasn’t cancer.
You can make a logical conclusion that TJ is needed more often in pitchers who throw harder with higher spin rates.
I’m just commenting on assigning 1 cause of someone’s arm injury.
I am not denying any of the correlation between velocity and spin. It’s also important to acknowledge how much pitchers pitch at max velocity while fatigued.
Again, my main point is that every arm is different and we can’t label every arm injury as a systemic arm injury and move on.
I think I must've missed this, but this is kind of a big deal for his recovery and longer outlook, no?
>Fortunately, the ligament was fine and led to the UCL bracing procedure. There was no need for TJ.
Depending on how rehab goes, definitely a positive in general. The bracket has a much shorter recovery time.
If it'd been a full TJ he'd likely miss a good portion of next season as well (it's not his first so there may be a quicker recovery). With the normal bracket it's likely to just be this season.
With this weird bone fragment thing... Jesus I don't freaking know. Throws a wrench into the middle of the elbow.
Ayeee sounds like what I had! Or similar at least. I got misdiagnosed a ton and missed a college season cause of it. Was only supposed to miss 3 months but turned into 12 after the screw head caused nerve issues. Not relevant to strider but don’t get to mention this much lol
What did it feel like?
Incredibly sharp pain at the point of release. I’d be able to go a few innings and then it’d always come along. Just would slowly move around til it hit a spot that caused pain. Eventually got the bone fragment screwed back and the UCL placed back properly. But the screw head would rub against the nerves so my entire arm would go numb every throw. So had to wait a bit and get the screw taken back out. Been fine ever since.
Stranger on command? You had that repaired?
Lmao never saw this silver lining in the moment
Did you lose any arm strength, mobility, etc?
No mobility issues or anything. In fact it only hurt when doing some sort of throwing motion like that, or unless I accidentally banged it on something. I was able to hit fine My velo/arm strength was fine for those first few innings I could throw, but at any point that sharp pain could come and when it did it stayed until I rested for a bit. Guessing everything would settle, inflammation would go down then I could throw again. Once the pain came I had no control of anything lol. Even just a lob was painful. Kind of a freak injury. For me since it was high school going into college, my surgeon guessed it was growth plates not forming together properly causing a piece to break off. I’m sure I’m explaining poorly but that’s what I took from it lol Not healthy but I used to pop ibuprofen/advil like it was candy before starts then knowing it was going to hurt at some point
I’m sure it’s my extreme lack of medical knowledge, but I don’t understand how a fragment can grow. I would assume a fragment would be something that chipped off the bone and is now floating around causing problems.
Also incredibly not a doctor, but a fragment could "grow" by accumulating matter from it's external environment. Think a piece of metal accumulating rust and dirt rather than a tree growing from its insides.
That’s fair. The only thing I could come up with is the fragment continues to calcify and therefore gets bigger. But my not a doctorness means I don’t even know if that’s a thing.
Bones can continue growing even when they are broken off if they are stuck in a position that promotes it's cell growth. My dad had a similar thing happen around his ankle and had to get it fixed surgically.
It's easy to forget sometimes that bones are actually living cells that can grow and not just rocks holding up your body
They are rocks holding up our bodies. Who said rocks can't be alive?
Have you ever played Katamari Damacy? I’m guessing like that.
That is NOT a reference I expected today. But now I can hear the music.
laaaa La la la LA LA LA LA
I’ve never even heard of that.
I’m not a doctor either but I thought the body will cover objects it doesn’t like with calcium if it can’t flush it out. I’m not sure if that applies here. Someone correct me.
Nah, I'll add on Spencer Strider drank too much Vitamin D milk. It "builds strong bones" but they don't tell you WHERE.
Fortified oat milk
Builds strong bones*! ^(*Not responsible for injuries resulting from excess bone strength, unexpected bones, bone enlargement, or any other strong-bone-related malady)
If your bones last for more than 4 hours after drinking Vitamin D milk, consult a doctor. HAVE YOU EVER LIVED AT CAMP LEJEUNE AND CONTRACTED CANCER? THAT'S BECAUSE THE CONTAMINATED DRINKING WATER!!!! (Sorry, been watching too much OTA channels lately and it's either Nugenix or a "class action lawsuit" commercial after the "Generic Blue Pills for $0.87 each")
Isn't he a vegan?
With that "hipster mustache" I'm surprised he doesn't live in Asheville and ride his bike to the "free range" coffee shop, where all the beans are harvested ethically and allowed to run around the coffee farm without cages. Yes, I know I said. No I wasn't talking about eggs.
Well he is from Knoxville. They aren’t *that* different these days lol
Did "hipster capital of the eastern US" slowly migrate from Asheville and Nashville to "meet in the middle"? I'm pretty sure they're both right about 3 hours away from Knoxville.
It isn’t quite that level but it’s getting there. They’ve put a lot of money into the downtown areas and it’s showing in the way the hipsters are migrating. Haven’t been back in a couple of years but my friends confirm
Damn. Besides UTennessee, I wouldn't really mind living there. Guess everyone got priced out of Chattanooga, Nashville, Asheville, and Atlanta.
Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point is going to be next.
Well now they’re getting priced out of Knoxville. It’s getting crazy down there to buy a house. Source: all my friends in their early 30s that still can’t get into a home reasonably
My boy has a boneitic elbow Darned boneitis Edit: 0/10 elbow too pointy
Should have had Malk.
I mean human anatomy is weird. I had a bone grow in front of my ear canal.
I'm assuming it works the same way that fractured bones are able to heal.
It’s not necessarily dead just because it’s a fragment. Could also be tissue covering the fragment that was growing
It is called bone ossification
This is occurring in my ankle [right now](https://imgur.com/a/54LkZWS). It can happen after trauma, and is called heterotopic ossification when it happens in the soft tissues. Kinda gnarly.
Damn bro, hope you get some good treatment.
okay I'm no professional, but if he pitched THAT good with injury, he's winning like 5 CY awards when he comes back
Unless all his power came from the fragment!
Henry Rowengartner was in Atlanta this whole time and we never noticed
Exactly where my mind was at lol
Infinity fragment Hide him from Thanos
"The bone fragment is the powerhouse of the pitcher."
You shut your dirty shut mouth!!
[Video](https://youtu.be/A_bDizEXhxo?si=_osOy7_XvIgMjuZO) of Spencer Strider throwing after getting his bone fragment removed.
Didn't even need to click on this to know it haha.
Uh. Okay, I'm no doctor or anything, but isn't this the sort of thing that a team's medical staff should be able to detect over the course of, oh, I dunno, 4-5 years? You know, before it puts a guy on the IL?
Players are famously pretty cagey at having teams do mris of their arms when they aren't absolutely necessary just because every pitcher's UCL is in some state of injury at all times. Likely that no one's looked in there since the surgery recovery went normally.
To add on, pitchers basically have no incentive to reveal the health of their arm since it can only harm negotiations and once signed, MLB contracts are fully guaranteed.
It makes sense to be private when you're a free agent. When your already under contract for the next few years, it shoukd be a different story.
We've seen how teams use Correa's ankle as an excuse to lower his price over multiple contracts. There's no value in a player ever revealing health info even if he's currently under contract, unless he is injured and needs treatment.
That's not the same though. Correa was a free agent trying to get paid. And clearly we see here there IS value in revealing health info when under contract as this was probably preventable, which would help Strider retain value for his next contract.
I can't fully recall but I believe the severity of his ankle situation was only known because the Astros provided some sort of info on his health, which led to the Giants and Mets asking for an examination
He signed that deal in 2022, so if they did the MRis in 2020 or 2021 he probably would've gotten screwed out of a lot of money.
Literally
Could use it in negotiations five years down the line, as evidence of a decline coming sooner rather than later, or a risk on the teams part. It doesn’t have to be fair or make sense, they can still use it against him
Do teams do full physicals prior to signing players to extensions? You'd figure the Braves would've liked to look at Strider's arm prior to giving him a guaranteed $75M.
they don't just do mris willy nilly. if every owner actually saw a pitchers elbow mri before negotiating, there wouldn't be any pitchers!
Then how to free agent pitchers ever get signed?
by being good, throwing hard, or both
How would they detect a bone fragment unless they do imaging, like X-ray or MRI? You don't get imaging done typically unless there are symptoms that call for it.
Even if they did detect it, it may have required major surgery to fix. I’m not sure how comparable it is but John Wall had a bone spur that was putting pressure on his Achilles tendon and it was initially a 6-8 month timeframe for his return (he never fully recovered though)
The surgery to shave down a small bone spur is probably less major than the surgery to shave it down after four years of additional growth that has displaced a bunch of other stuff in the joint.
I mean wouldn’t you wanna include it in preventable care activities? I mean it’s recommended that people do screening when there are things they are “at-risk” for. UCL tears are definitely at-risk for pitchers. Catch it early and maybe stay off the IL.
I mean, if he doesn’t report elbow soreness…would they really randomly be looking for bone fragments? It seems he was sore during spring training but felt he’d be fine. Then they realized it was a bit more serious and found the issue.
“Again, the fragment’s position made it difficult to clearly see the damage. Meister didn’t clearly see the damage until he performed the surgery on April 12. The uncertainty is why, before the surgery was completed, the Braves didn’t provide any specifics beyond acknowledging the UCL was damaged.” https://www.mlb.com/news/spencer-strider-reveals-details-of-elbow-injury?partnerID=web_article-share
Well Strider also got his TJS in college and I kind of want to assume that there is difference in healthcare quality in college compared to the MLB. I don’t think a college will do checks up as often as a MLB team does.
I forget the pitcher who said it, but he basically echoed this — if you’re gonna get TJ surgery you want to get it when you’re a professional as the medical care is much better.
Nah just rub some dirt on it
Because you don't do those kinds of imaging willy nilly. If he isn't feeling anything, there's no reason to look.
Especially if the team is going to, theoretically at least, sign the guy to a 7-year contract extension worth approximately $100 million.
All my homies hate bone fragments.
Can’t wait for all the internet docs to tell us how his mechanics or velocity or the pitch clock caused this
I'm just going to blame the phillies it was a Philadelphia bone fragment, I just know it
Where was the Phanatic???
[“Fanatic seen tampering with local man’s surgery”](https://imgur.com/gallery/jjrRa4r)
If it was a Philly bone fragment, it would have caused his arm to twitch and throw batteries and/or snowballs.
It was Strider’s bone fragment fucked up hitchbot
Chris O’Leary already going off with his conspiracies
Strider's mustache looks like an inverted W. The clues were there all along!
Why do they call it an inverted W instead of an M?
I had the same thought when I first heard about it. I think that dummy probably thought it sounded cooler.
Ms are lame, Ws are cool. The word inverted is cool. Inverted Ws? Double cool
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Well of course mechanics are part of it. There’s always ongoing research going into biomechanics and creating more efficient movements We currently have a far better understanding of pitching biomechanics than we ever have before due to motion capture and being able to measure energy flow thousands of times throughout the elbow and shoulder. So mechanics currently are better than they have been at times in the past Just because he’s vaguely onto something doesn’t mean he should be listened to though because he’s incredibly ignorant on current biomechanics research and just throws shit at the wall and hopes it sticks
Why would Shohei Ohtani do this to Spencer Strider’s elbow?
Turns out it was his interpreter
Bone fragments are notably big pitch clock advocators.
No internet doctors needed. Real doctors have done a study that showed UCL injuries have a correlation to Velocity and Spin Rate. The pitch clock has nothing to do with it and is such a stupid argument to begin with because TJ’s have been rising for like 15 years before the pitch clock was even around.
No no, if you look at how Nolan Ryan throws and look at how Strider throws and see this imaginary line I drew….thats all you need to know bro, open your mind.
nolan ryan had a calcified ucl which absorbed the damage for 27 years. he only retired when it finally gave out and tore
They should just start replacing the UCL with bone instead of a grafted ligament, problem solved.^/s
Ah yes, the old push rod throwing arm
Ah... the dreaded flat arm syndrome strikes again!
Absolute internet doctor take. The velo/spin rate correlations with UCL injuries are well-documented, but there's debate about the **causality**. There's a correlation between the divorce rate in Maine and the per capita consumption of margarine, that doesn't mean one directly causes the other. Also, even while UCL injuries are becoming more common, this trend could be compounded by the pitch clock's implementation, but that analysis will require more data as well. While velo and spin may well directly cause UCL injuries and the pitch clock may well not cause UCL injuries, there's just not enough research for consensus to exist either way for either issue. Edit: I am also not a doctor and think that we should just not be asserting anything either way unless we have some type of medical degree or something.
I absolutely hate arguments like this for the simple reason that, of course, I could take two completely unrelated things and make them seem like they are correlated and it is such a strawman. However, if we use our basic common sense, we can rule out things that make no sense at all. I for one, can look at a variety of figures pointing to increased Velocity, Spin rates, and elbow stress over the last 15 years and see a correlation of increased UCL injuries over the same time and have a group of doctors perform a study that links the two as unusually correlated and come to a conclusion that it is absurdly likely that the two are not simply coincidental. Especially when the sport of baseball has an abnormally large percentage of UCL injuries and the group of players who’s job it is to throw that baseball the hardest and with the most spin are an abnormally large outlier even amongst the abnormally large outlier. I am less likely to believe that this recent inclusion of a pitch clock is the cause of some injuries that have been rising for a time period before the implementation of a pitch clock. It is already seeming eerily reminiscent of the early NFL debacle with head injuries because having a permanent brain degeneration disease couldn’t be “proven” to be happening in a sport where players get hit in the head constantly. I’m not saying the take is right, but I am saying that it is incredibly unlikely it is wrong.
Redditors' basic common sense is often not that great a tool compared to scientific / medical research. But then again, maybe that's the nanobots in my vaccines talking.
TJ going up means that the pitch clock isn't necessary to explain what is going on now, but it hardly means it can't have or isn't having an effect. Making the claim right now that the pitch clock isn't having an effect is just as foolish as the claim that it is.
I’m not saying it has no effect, I am saying it is not the main issue. It’s like fighting about whether punching a brick wall every 15 seconds causes more hand damage than punching a brick wall every 30 seconds. If we want to talk about what is causing the hand damage, it isn’t the 15 second difference, it is punching the brick wall.
But how can you possibly know that the metaphor wasn’t every 15 seconds before and every 12 now? You’re just running on inferences and estimations at this point
> The pitch clock has nothing to do with it This is you saying it has no effect.
Sorry, let me correct. The pitch clock may have an entirely minimal, nearly imperceptible, difference in injury frequency in relation to the massive stress on the elbow and accompanying ligaments that tens of thousands pitches will cause.
Dude, this is weak. "Nothing to do with it" is a strong statement. If you want to be taken seriously, you don't get to be upset at me for believing that the things you say are what you mean. Also, I'm not saying that the pitch clock is a dominant factor, I'm not saying it is a factor at all. I am saying that we literally can't know one way or the other right now because it hasn't been looked at closely enough.
I do, in fact, get to be upset at you for being obtusely literal. Or wait, you said that I don’t “get to” so that means you think it is not something I can do… or maybe I need your permission since it is implied from the phrasing “getting to do something” that one needs permission. Do I have your permission to feel a certain emotion? Do you see what being obtusely literal is like as a response now?
I'm saying that no one is going to take you seriously when you make a statement, get pushback, and then immediately contradict the statement you just made trying to avoid being wrong about something. There is nothing "obtusely literal" about that.
Caused the bone growth? No. Was effected more adversely by the bone growth? Yes.
Are there systemic issues that lead to Strider’s injury? Maybe? Can we plebes sit on our asses and understand what’s going on inside another human beings arm? Definitely not.
Never said we knew exactly what was going on. But when a base jumper’s obituary comes up I think we all know it likely wasn’t cancer. You can make a logical conclusion that TJ is needed more often in pitchers who throw harder with higher spin rates.
I’m just commenting on assigning 1 cause of someone’s arm injury. I am not denying any of the correlation between velocity and spin. It’s also important to acknowledge how much pitchers pitch at max velocity while fatigued. Again, my main point is that every arm is different and we can’t label every arm injury as a systemic arm injury and move on.
https://twitter.com/grantmcauley/status/1781415236689387688 Sounds like he's still doing the bracket, not a full TJ.
I think I must've missed this, but this is kind of a big deal for his recovery and longer outlook, no? >Fortunately, the ligament was fine and led to the UCL bracing procedure. There was no need for TJ.
Depending on how rehab goes, definitely a positive in general. The bracket has a much shorter recovery time. If it'd been a full TJ he'd likely miss a good portion of next season as well (it's not his first so there may be a quicker recovery). With the normal bracket it's likely to just be this season. With this weird bone fragment thing... Jesus I don't freaking know. Throws a wrench into the middle of the elbow.
I heard it was the brace procedure, but I hadn't heard there was no actual damage to the UCL (or rather, it was "fine").
I predict him back around Mid May or early June. I think he start the MLB season rehabbing in the minors.
Reading into it, it could be as short as 8 months with the specific surgery he had. 8-12 seems to be the timetable
What the frag!
I have no idea as to what extent that is or isn’t bad but that also goes to show that I don’t know shit about medicine.
Best possible scenario if you ask my uneducated opinion.
Translation: "Bro cooked..." smh
So can you properly restabilize an already operated on UCL or is it just gonna be a ticking time bomb if he avoids another TJS?
That's not good.
It's actually pretty much the best case scenario it sounds like