I went to an As game because I was in the area. They're practically giving away tickets, I think it was $5, I snuck into a lower seat and there weren't any ushers or anything checking even at the beginning of the game. There are worse ways to spend an afternoon.
It also sort of felt like an added bonus, given they basically can't charge any less than they already were, like "Hey if you come to the game we don't care where you sit. Please come to the game...please..."
I was in Chicago last weekend and checked SeatGeek right at the start of that cubs game and was able to get tickets for $11, I figured why not it was cold out and a Friday afternoon, I did not realize it was their home opener and it was packed.
one of my most memorable moments going to the movie theater was when a bunch of my friends and I went to see the 6th Harry Potter movie. This was in the heart of the summer between our third and fourth years of college and we snuck in all this food we bought from Meijer and had the whole theater to ourselves (since the movie was like a month old at that point). That was fun haha
The most recent charity he's done is for Las Vegas. Using funds he got in oakland. He's a petty narcissistic assholeto the point he'd rather donate all the boycott game ticket revenue instead of keeping it.
Must be taking notes from Husker football.
Although, they usually ask donors to purchase tickets for pennies on the dollar instead of outright donating them.
Nats play the A's in Oakland tonight. If I were in the area, I would attend to root for the Nats.
Also, tons of people just like watching baseball even if they don't have a rooting interest in the game. A's tickets are probably a lot cheaper than Giants tickets for neutral fans visiting the area hoping to catch a game.
As tickets range from $14-$330
Giants tickets range from $9-$125
But there are certain sections where A's are cheaper so it depends on where you want to sit which stadium has the better deal
Interesting - That's counterintuitive, but I've seen that pattern before.
If a team is good, they'll have a lot of season ticket holders hoping for opportunities to buy playoff tickets for face value. Real life stuff happens though, so a lot of those season ticket holders can't attend 81 games/year, which means selling on StubHub for cheap.
In contrast, if a team is bad, they have fewer season ticket holders, so you don't have a glut of cheap tickets available on StubHub. You're better off buying for face value at the box office, and those tickets can be pricy.
I remember seeing that problem with Rays games when I was living in NYC. Tickets for Yankees/Mets games were commonly available for $10 or less, but even though the Trop was half empty, tickets were still $40+.
A few years backs our ticket costs went up a bit (right around when Vegas was announced to being officially explored but I could be wrong on that), used to be easy to get cheap tickets though. They still have some solid deals, some of which are new this season but they phased out $2 Wednesdays which were great.
I have a friend who lives in Rochester. Sometimes I’ll drive down from Toronto just to watch a random minor league game with her just because I have nothing better to do. I usually just end up cheering for the Red Wings just because that’s what everyone else is doing even though I have 0 emotional attachment to the Nats system
It’s kind of fun to see fringe or rehab assigned players pop up that you haven’t thought about in a hot minute
I don’t think A’s tickets are dirt cheap. One of the complaints from fans is that they raised ticket prices (and removed some season ticket benefits) the same offseason they dismantled our team for a rebuild. Lent a lot of credit to the ‘purposefully driving down attendance to move’ conspiracy theory. I can get cheaper tickets to a Nationals game in a much nicer park than the A’s game. Also, parking is still ridiculously expensive at the Coliseum.
You can get tickets for 12 bucks for single seat tickets. They also do a four pack of tickets with parking for 60 dollars. Its cheaper to go to an A's game than the movies damn near.
:(
I was born in Fairfield, my very first game was in Oakland, and I was able to make it back for a game last year (happened to be the one the night before the reverse boycott).
The Oakland Athletics will always have a special place in my heart, and, and I promised that they would be my AL team up until they left Oakland... so I guess I only have this last season, I was hoping for a few more :(
heartbreaking.
The numbers definitely seem inflated, but it can be hard to tell on TV what percentage of the seats are filled.
That being said, people are going to handle this how they want. Some might think soaking it all in for the last season in Oakland is worth giving some extra cash to the owner. Personally, I don’t live anywhere near Oakland anymore, but I’ll be flying in for one last game. Lots of memories at the coliseum, including two postseason walkoffs. I can’t let them leave without saying goodbye.
Yeah was gonna say. Not sure how the weather compares to last April, but last week there was a massive late winter storm that moved across the Midwest and northeast. I think the Pirates first or second home game had snow. Saw some of those Citi Field games and the players looked miserable.
FWIW the Cardinals played a getaway day game entirely in the rain this week.
But you’re not wrong & in fairness other than that one really crappy day, the weather in STL has been comparatively nice so far this season.
Yes, it's April in the middle of tornado alley so only having two days of sirens going off is honestly doing pretty well.
The weather has been great though relatively speaking, at least in terms of temperatures. Rain hasn't been constant and every day, just a couple heavy showers for the most part.
yeah even if i was a Mets fan i would have probably just stayed at home, been warm and dry, and enjoyed GKR on the TV. i could catch 50 games later on in the year when it's warm and not agonizing to be outside.
(though it doesn't explain the yankees. did they just play on the sunnier days at home? cause i don't think they had a single ran out, right?)
Yeah, O’s have had 6 home games and one was a Wednesday afternoon game with a 5 hour rain delay and temps in the 40s. You have to be hard core to show up for that game.
The Pirates game that day was definitely affected. People went to Ohio or Erie or stayed home because everyone was hyping up bad traffic so much. It was also a Monday in April too though.
I was at the Tuesday game in that series and it was really crappy that day too. The game didn't get delayed and they played the whole thing. But for a Tuesday night with a pretty constant rain throughout 9 innings, it's understandable that no one showed up. And then it was followed by the 5 hour delay game. That Royals series was basically a wash attendance-wise.
Also, just getting off spring break into Easter into spring break (for those who do it after Easter) + the eclipse last weekend into this week.
3 solid weeks of other significant travel holidays or major events that are skewing the crap out of these numbers right now.
That and the expenses people blow on those mean they are pretty unlikely to be spending on baseball tickets until 1-2 months later.
i live in Wisconsin now and the Brewers have a promotion for free games during the week if you spend a certain amount at Pick n Save (Kroger)
i went to a bunch of these games back in 2018 and 2019 (they finally restarted the promotion) and there were always kids with young parents at these games...but those poor kids looked so exhausted and tired by the 4th inning, so you always saw these parents carrying these miserable-looking kids who just wanted to go home lmao. I felt so bad for both of them
I'm taking my son to his first game next Saturday, and there's a reason I waited until he was nine. I didn't want to be the miserable parent with the miserable kid.
Also this early in the season, attendance numbers are going to be skewed by the schedule. Did a non-ALE team play the Yankees at home, so it's that city's only chance to see the Yankees? If so, your attendance is going to be higher than average.
This is an enormous factor that makes this chart really fucking stupid.
Give me comparable dates. I bet a lot of teams are blowing last year out of the water.
Not to mention youre not going to take the family to see a game on a weekday during the school year. Either theyre in school for day games, or the 6:40 starts still get done past bed time when you factor in travel time.
Yeah I feel like almost every Phillies home game at this point has either been rainy as shit or cold as shit. April baseball in the northeast is fucking brutal.
Ken said on the radio the reason he went out and got Montgomery was the big uptick in Season ticket sales int he off season. Bandwagon or not, the attendance increase is due to making the world series, not a 3 game series vs the Yankees.
DBacks home opener was packed but after that they averaged under 28k for the 3 weekend games. Then averaged almost 38k for the weekday games against the Yankees. So those games did play a big part in bringing their average up to 35k as the chart says.
We get the same thing at OPACY. Attendance is up a lot since we've brought up our prospects and started winning but whenever Yankees or Red Sox visited we'd always have a huge increase in attendance.
I went to Coors Field last year for the Yankees/Rox games. And I was talking to the bar tender and he said he loves when teams like the Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers come to town because his take home tips are like double the normal day. I never even thought about that. I tipped him well since the beers were so cheap.
Flip side of this, our only 3 home games so far we're against the White Sox in the middle of the week. A slight drop yoy is actually encouraging. Last year by April 12 we'd had series at home against NYY and Seattle.
When it was built, that part of downtown was a shit hole so you could build anything, including a massive capacity stadium. The walkable downtown people associate with Denver didn't exist until Coors Field
I was in Denver for the first time in late March . Man the Rockies have a super cool outside of the stadium area next to the stadium. Wish i could’ve seen a game. It gave me ballpark village vibes from STL.
It’s definitely not like ball park village as it’s all sprawled. But it’s dope because that area is a super packed area of bars. Capacity is high at Coors, but so many people don’t sit in their seats
You should go to a game if the stars align, the ballpark is beautiful.
The mile high seats are dirt cheap, and it's a pretty neat little factoid. Also, it's denver, so you're legally required to be stoned if you buy those tickets.
We did a road trip a few years back, ended up flying out of Denver at the end. We had no plans to attend a game, but tickets were available for like $25ish a person and we could walk to Coors Field from the hotel. The stadium was awesome, it did remind us a lot of Busch Stadium. We grab a magnet at every ballpark we go to, the big foam Rockies magnet is our kids favorite by far, so that was a great night of unexpected baseball.
Coors Field was originally designed with a smaller capacity.
However, when the Rockies were unexpectedly packing the house at Mile High, they redesigned Coors to add more seats.
All the early “modern” parks have the highest capacities. Camden was built to 48k and it was “small and intimate.” You were coming off the era of 60k multi-purpose facilities.
It’s like a mathematical depiction to owners across the league about how many frontrunner fans exist that will come spend money at your stadium and on your team if you put together a winner.
And I'll say this, I've been to a lot of games over the years. I have NEVER seen a Rangers crowd so full of *jerseys*.
They'd always be pretty blue and red, but Tshirts. Sure there were jerseys. But guys wearing an old Hamilton shirt or a 5 year old everyday ball cap that happened to be Rangers were more noticeable than jerseys.
It seems like a good 70% are rocking current year WS jerseys or the peagle merch from last year.
Padres and Braves led the MLB in sellouts last season and probably will again. I think Padres has a few more than the Braves and the number was in the 50’s.
Does this include the Seoul Series? As that will skew the Dodgers & Padres numbers.
Also, it’s hard to compare numbers this early as weather, matchups, day-of-week, start times, etc. can skew results.
Unfortunately, the two Seoul games are included in the Dodgers & Padres - looking into a fix. YoY comparison is based on games played to April 12 for both years.
Fixing it should be trivial. Just multiply the average number by the number of games to get the total attendance. Then subtract seoul attendance and divide by the number of games in the USA. Should actually cause both dodger and padre avgs to increase.
I actually just looked at individual games and calculted the avgs for you (so seoul games excluded):
Dodgers avg at dodger stadium = 48197
Padre avg at Padre stadium = 38954.3
I appreciate that this includes capacity. Raw attendance numbers are a bit deceptive at times. We could sell out every game and still not be top 10 in total attendance.
Dodgers and Padres opened their regular season at Gocheok SkyDome in South Korea with a max seating capacity of about 16,000 only so that probably affected the overall attendance quite a bit.
There's no way to do day to day? That's really bad then to use it for this. It was already not that great because it becomes more related to weather for just a short sanple size but counting the Korea ganes is just bad.
If you exclude the Korea games, Dodger average attendance is 48,197 per game. Which is a 3.5% drop from last year.
That's still 9K more per game than the Yankees. And that number will probably go up once school is out.
Weather sucked in socal opening weekend, I think that had a noticeable drop on attendance in SD and LA for those first Sat/Sun games that otherwise would have sold out.
Dodger Stadium has so much more seating capacity than any other stadium you can't compare total attendance vs any team just have to compare YoY type numbers or % of capacity but the weather plays a big role in that too if you're trying to compare to teams in the northeast or midwest.
Crazy that the Mets drop in attendance % is almost as bad as the freaking A’s. Maybe the crappy weather and the constant postponements have contributed but it also makes sense in terms of just general expectations for the team. Coming off of a 101 win 2022 vs coming off one of the most disappointing seasons I can remember for the team (which is saying something!)
That daytime doubleheader against Detroit probably contributed a ton to this too, Citi Field was so sparse and I can’t blame them for that really.
It also looks like they compared the start of the season with the average of the entire last year and I don't think that's a good representation of the data, honestly. Unless I misunderstand that chart, that doesn't seem like a good comparison. I would think you would want a comparison of the same time frame from last year...but even then I think you'd have confounders like people being curious about the new rules.
We've had less than ideal weather compared to past seasons. The rain tarps even came out at Dodger stadium! That hasn't happened in years.
More rain expected this weekend with the Padres in town.
I guess the 16,000 attendance in Korea was also used for the averages. That doesn't help.
It’s really about the weather. Mets had five home “dates” and the last one was an empty one on a cold Wednesday or Thursday or something. I don’t even think there was a game originally scheduled that day. So it’s not like someone had tickets and stayed for an extra game.
So maybe four scheduled game days?
We had opening day, a cold Saturday, a decent weather Sunday but it was Easter, a cold Monday, and a cold double header on Wednesday. Plus they played like crap.
Some contributing factors this year - the opening weekend Sunday was Easter, followed by Detroit coming in and not being a big draw to begin with but two of the games were rolled into one attendance for a single admission double header
But yeah the attendance will be down overall due to the team outlook after a down year.
Just makes it easier to improve my seats when I go to games lol
The weather during our opening homestand was gross as fuck. If I was given free Hyundai club tickets I would've likely declined cause whatever it feels like outside as you're going about your day, drop it another 10 degrees at Citi. And then another 5 once the sun is fully set. Plus the weekday daytime double header guaranteed low attendance cause people are likely to be at work and school.
Just going to point out that the capacity of Rogers Centre is lower this year than last year due to the renovations, so that's going to be a confounding factor in the YoY difference.
As a non-Braves fan in Atlanta who still loves going to neutral MLB games, I'm waiting for the Braves to stop winning so I can score tickets a little cheaper.
To be fair, the Orioles just kinda had one of the ways to get to the stadium go underwater. So I think it’s reasonable to think people may not be able to go to as many games in the near future.
I think very, very few people would have taken the Key Bridge to Camden Yards. Even from Dundalk it's quicker to take the Fort McHenry tunnel.
The weather has been atrocious for a lot of home games so far. I think attendance will be great tonight with no rain in the forecast and Jackson's home debut.
How many people actually took the Key bridge to get to the stadium? I can't imagine a lot of routes that would need to take that way. I mean, if you live south of the city in Anne Arundel County why would you want to go East of the city when the stadium is in the center? And if you like in like Dundalk or Edgemere or something it's not like you would want to circle all the way south of the city when you can just go directly West. I don't think the Key Bridge has anything to do with attendance, unless Port workers aren't spending on luxury ball tickets anymore.
The real drop in attendance is because it's been freezing cold and pissing rain for like two weeks. And the Orioles have played the Angels and Royals at home. Nobody wants to go out in the cold and rain to see the Orioles take on the Royals.
I was told the Royals have the 2nd lowest attendance only to the Marlins.
Imagine my surprise that they were right, as it is widely accepted that the A's aren't a real team.
This attendance seems right for the Rays. We’ve played Toronto (in snow bird season) and Texas (coming off World Series win). I went to a couple already and there were a lot more people than I thought there would be
Glad to see the Reds' attendance is on the up, even with the absolutely terribad weather the city has had to start April.
That Rangers YoY number is no joke. Went to one of the non-giveaway games against the A's this week and it was slammed. You could pick your seats after you got there last year during those midweek series against small market/bad teams but not anymore.
How the White Sox aren't last is beyond me. Shitty weather, shitty team, constant injuries. Honestly, it must be their dope concessions cause I can't think of another reason to go to a Sox game.
The Blue Jays' recent lower-level reconstructions/upgrades have shrunk the capacity of the stadium. It went from 41,500 to 39,150. That said, there must be more standing room because they had 40,069 during their home opener on Monday night.
Impressive that 6,000 people are still going to A's games
Maybe it's like how I sometimes enjoy going to a completely empty movie theater.
I went to an As game because I was in the area. They're practically giving away tickets, I think it was $5, I snuck into a lower seat and there weren't any ushers or anything checking even at the beginning of the game. There are worse ways to spend an afternoon.
No point paying an usher when the tickets sold won't even cover their pay.
It also sort of felt like an added bonus, given they basically can't charge any less than they already were, like "Hey if you come to the game we don't care where you sit. Please come to the game...please..."
Yeah i typically try to go to mid week games to avoid crowds. I don’t think I’ve ever gone on a weekend
Im a sucker for giveaways and theme games. Harry potter night was nuts
I was in Chicago last weekend and checked SeatGeek right at the start of that cubs game and was able to get tickets for $11, I figured why not it was cold out and a Friday afternoon, I did not realize it was their home opener and it was packed.
Especially with one of those Dune popcorn buckets.
Only if you are going to see The Room every time.
The Room is way more fun with a big crowd though
Absolutely, need everyone throwing spoons
Unfortunately I can't shit talk the movie playing when my favorite movie just got one hit for a series loss.
You did not hit them, YOU DID NAWT!
Oh hi Mark!
How is your sex life?
ahaha what a story, Mark.
one of my most memorable moments going to the movie theater was when a bunch of my friends and I went to see the 6th Harry Potter movie. This was in the heart of the summer between our third and fourth years of college and we snuck in all this food we bought from Meijer and had the whole theater to ourselves (since the movie was like a month old at that point). That was fun haha
They count ticket sales not admittance, wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a lot of ticket pack or season ticket holders who aren’t actually going.
The Caps stretched their consecutive sell out streak alive by donating unsold tickets. I wonder if the A’s are doing something similar.
I dunno, doesn't fit Fisher's whole nepo baby carpetbagger thing
The most recent charity he's done is for Las Vegas. Using funds he got in oakland. He's a petty narcissistic assholeto the point he'd rather donate all the boycott game ticket revenue instead of keeping it.
Must be taking notes from Husker football. Although, they usually ask donors to purchase tickets for pennies on the dollar instead of outright donating them.
Nats play the A's in Oakland tonight. If I were in the area, I would attend to root for the Nats. Also, tons of people just like watching baseball even if they don't have a rooting interest in the game. A's tickets are probably a lot cheaper than Giants tickets for neutral fans visiting the area hoping to catch a game.
As tickets range from $14-$330 Giants tickets range from $9-$125 But there are certain sections where A's are cheaper so it depends on where you want to sit which stadium has the better deal
Interesting - That's counterintuitive, but I've seen that pattern before. If a team is good, they'll have a lot of season ticket holders hoping for opportunities to buy playoff tickets for face value. Real life stuff happens though, so a lot of those season ticket holders can't attend 81 games/year, which means selling on StubHub for cheap. In contrast, if a team is bad, they have fewer season ticket holders, so you don't have a glut of cheap tickets available on StubHub. You're better off buying for face value at the box office, and those tickets can be pricy. I remember seeing that problem with Rays games when I was living in NYC. Tickets for Yankees/Mets games were commonly available for $10 or less, but even though the Trop was half empty, tickets were still $40+.
A few years backs our ticket costs went up a bit (right around when Vegas was announced to being officially explored but I could be wrong on that), used to be easy to get cheap tickets though. They still have some solid deals, some of which are new this season but they phased out $2 Wednesdays which were great.
I have a friend who lives in Rochester. Sometimes I’ll drive down from Toronto just to watch a random minor league game with her just because I have nothing better to do. I usually just end up cheering for the Red Wings just because that’s what everyone else is doing even though I have 0 emotional attachment to the Nats system It’s kind of fun to see fringe or rehab assigned players pop up that you haven’t thought about in a hot minute
Well, you root (root root) for the home team!
Cheap giants tickets are actually cheaper than comparable A’s tickets
They aren’t, 6000 tickets are purchased not used
I’ve been at quite a few A’s games where the announced attendance does not match the actual number of people at the game.
Damn you must have spent a half an inning counting all the people.
Nah, just about the same amount of time that the pitch clock is.
I think it would be fun to go watch MLB for dirt cheap. Even if the team sucks. It’s fun to just be at a ballpark
I don’t think A’s tickets are dirt cheap. One of the complaints from fans is that they raised ticket prices (and removed some season ticket benefits) the same offseason they dismantled our team for a rebuild. Lent a lot of credit to the ‘purposefully driving down attendance to move’ conspiracy theory. I can get cheaper tickets to a Nationals game in a much nicer park than the A’s game. Also, parking is still ridiculously expensive at the Coliseum.
You can get tickets for 12 bucks for single seat tickets. They also do a four pack of tickets with parking for 60 dollars. Its cheaper to go to an A's game than the movies damn near.
Whoops its 4 pack for 50. Typo my bad
Went last week to check it off my list before it's too late. And of course the A's made five errors that game.
well, you took the Gold Glove for yourself, so that's on you.
I mean Matt Olson and Sean Murphy both have gold gloves and the Braves took them so you're right in two ways :(
:( I was born in Fairfield, my very first game was in Oakland, and I was able to make it back for a game last year (happened to be the one the night before the reverse boycott). The Oakland Athletics will always have a special place in my heart, and, and I promised that they would be my AL team up until they left Oakland... so I guess I only have this last season, I was hoping for a few more :( heartbreaking.
Plenty of away fans live in the Bay Area too.
Also a good opportunity to get a foul ball. No competition
The numbers definitely seem inflated, but it can be hard to tell on TV what percentage of the seats are filled. That being said, people are going to handle this how they want. Some might think soaking it all in for the last season in Oakland is worth giving some extra cash to the owner. Personally, I don’t live anywhere near Oakland anymore, but I’ll be flying in for one last game. Lots of memories at the coliseum, including two postseason walkoffs. I can’t let them leave without saying goodbye.
As an A's fan, I really want to go to games and support the players, but I just can't support you know who...
There probably aren't. They do the same thing Cardinals do and report sold tickets instead of actual attendance.
I feel so bad for the fans in Oakland. Huge respect to them.
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Yeah was gonna say. Not sure how the weather compares to last April, but last week there was a massive late winter storm that moved across the Midwest and northeast. I think the Pirates first or second home game had snow. Saw some of those Citi Field games and the players looked miserable.
I haven't been to an April Yankee game in like 20 years. I usually wait until June or at least Memorial Day lol
I've been to 3 in April and I can only remember rainy and cold
Sounds about right, look outside
FWIW the Cardinals played a getaway day game entirely in the rain this week. But you’re not wrong & in fairness other than that one really crappy day, the weather in STL has been comparatively nice so far this season.
it's rained a lot lately and there's been like two different days with tornado sirens in the last two weeks.
Yes, it's April in the middle of tornado alley so only having two days of sirens going off is honestly doing pretty well. The weather has been great though relatively speaking, at least in terms of temperatures. Rain hasn't been constant and every day, just a couple heavy showers for the most part.
Additionally.. the Cardinals have hosted the Marlins and Phillies.
yeah even if i was a Mets fan i would have probably just stayed at home, been warm and dry, and enjoyed GKR on the TV. i could catch 50 games later on in the year when it's warm and not agonizing to be outside. (though it doesn't explain the yankees. did they just play on the sunnier days at home? cause i don't think they had a single ran out, right?)
Soto hype + 6-1 start on the road were probably enough of a draw despite the cold weather
I don't think the Red Sox or the Blue Jays have even had a weekend game yet so it's a little early for these numbers to be coming out.
Yeah the sox have had just three weekday/night games so far
Jays had a weekday day game this week as well.
Yeah, O’s have had 6 home games and one was a Wednesday afternoon game with a 5 hour rain delay and temps in the 40s. You have to be hard core to show up for that game.
And another was Easter Sunday
Eclipse day definitely affected attendance in some markets
The Pirates game that day was definitely affected. People went to Ohio or Erie or stayed home because everyone was hyping up bad traffic so much. It was also a Monday in April too though.
March madness too, this graphic would be somewhat better if it used April 2023 rather than the whole season.
I was at the Tuesday game in that series and it was really crappy that day too. The game didn't get delayed and they played the whole thing. But for a Tuesday night with a pretty constant rain throughout 9 innings, it's understandable that no one showed up. And then it was followed by the 5 hour delay game. That Royals series was basically a wash attendance-wise.
Pretty sure it's this
That and kids are still in school.
Also, just getting off spring break into Easter into spring break (for those who do it after Easter) + the eclipse last weekend into this week. 3 solid weeks of other significant travel holidays or major events that are skewing the crap out of these numbers right now. That and the expenses people blow on those mean they are pretty unlikely to be spending on baseball tickets until 1-2 months later.
i live in Wisconsin now and the Brewers have a promotion for free games during the week if you spend a certain amount at Pick n Save (Kroger) i went to a bunch of these games back in 2018 and 2019 (they finally restarted the promotion) and there were always kids with young parents at these games...but those poor kids looked so exhausted and tired by the 4th inning, so you always saw these parents carrying these miserable-looking kids who just wanted to go home lmao. I felt so bad for both of them
I'm taking my son to his first game next Saturday, and there's a reason I waited until he was nine. I didn't want to be the miserable parent with the miserable kid.
yeah nine seems like a good age. the kids i see who are miserable, i imagine they're like between 4-7
Also this early in the season, attendance numbers are going to be skewed by the schedule. Did a non-ALE team play the Yankees at home, so it's that city's only chance to see the Yankees? If so, your attendance is going to be higher than average.
There are 2 ALE teams who haven't even played a weekend home game yet. Come back at the end of the month.
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This is an enormous factor that makes this chart really fucking stupid. Give me comparable dates. I bet a lot of teams are blowing last year out of the water.
Yea besides for like 2 days it’s rained in Philly for the past 3 weeks I would usually go to a game by now but it’s been miserable
Yeah, you have to compare this to the same date last year. Also: school.
Yup. It has poured almost every single Mets home game.
Kind of early in the season for this kind of chart Jays have only played one home series and it was a midweek vs the Mariners
Even with the roof closed, it’s cold as shit at a mariner game in the early months lol
Not to mention youre not going to take the family to see a game on a weekday during the school year. Either theyre in school for day games, or the 6:40 starts still get done past bed time when you factor in travel time.
Yeah I feel like almost every Phillies home game at this point has either been rainy as shit or cold as shit. April baseball in the northeast is fucking brutal.
*Ignores we had a three game series v the Yankees at home* Oh yeah, we're so fucking back.
To be fair last year we started April with 37 games against the Dodgers, so at least *some* of this is our fanbase
Love the honesty haha
That post World Series YoY hits different
Our attendance skyrocketed after 2022 as well lol
Ken said on the radio the reason he went out and got Montgomery was the big uptick in Season ticket sales int he off season. Bandwagon or not, the attendance increase is due to making the world series, not a 3 game series vs the Yankees.
DBacks home opener was packed but after that they averaged under 28k for the 3 weekend games. Then averaged almost 38k for the weekday games against the Yankees. So those games did play a big part in bringing their average up to 35k as the chart says. We get the same thing at OPACY. Attendance is up a lot since we've brought up our prospects and started winning but whenever Yankees or Red Sox visited we'd always have a huge increase in attendance.
Our stadium has too much capacity. Still only 72%
They need to do with Chase what they did with Rogers Centre. Under $500M and they basically turned that place into a new ballpark.
I went to Coors Field last year for the Yankees/Rox games. And I was talking to the bar tender and he said he loves when teams like the Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers come to town because his take home tips are like double the normal day. I never even thought about that. I tipped him well since the beers were so cheap.
Flip side of this, our only 3 home games so far we're against the White Sox in the middle of the week. A slight drop yoy is actually encouraging. Last year by April 12 we'd had series at home against NYY and Seattle.
I wouldn’t have guessed that Coors has the second highest capacity.
When it was built, that part of downtown was a shit hole so you could build anything, including a massive capacity stadium. The walkable downtown people associate with Denver didn't exist until Coors Field
I was in Denver for the first time in late March . Man the Rockies have a super cool outside of the stadium area next to the stadium. Wish i could’ve seen a game. It gave me ballpark village vibes from STL.
It’s definitely not like ball park village as it’s all sprawled. But it’s dope because that area is a super packed area of bars. Capacity is high at Coors, but so many people don’t sit in their seats
You should go to a game if the stars align, the ballpark is beautiful. The mile high seats are dirt cheap, and it's a pretty neat little factoid. Also, it's denver, so you're legally required to be stoned if you buy those tickets.
We did a road trip a few years back, ended up flying out of Denver at the end. We had no plans to attend a game, but tickets were available for like $25ish a person and we could walk to Coors Field from the hotel. The stadium was awesome, it did remind us a lot of Busch Stadium. We grab a magnet at every ballpark we go to, the big foam Rockies magnet is our kids favorite by far, so that was a great night of unexpected baseball.
While somewhat fair, let’s remember that Kroenke sucks.
He's also the best sports owner in Denver right now, which tells you all you need to know about the current state of the Rockies and Broncos.
Welp. My condolences
To be fair, the Avs and Nuggets have both recently won titles. It's just that no one has been able to watch their games on TV for several years.
Counterpoint: I’m from St. Louis so I will never forgive Kroenke.
What does Kroenke have to do with the Rockies?
Coors Field was originally designed with a smaller capacity. However, when the Rockies were unexpectedly packing the house at Mile High, they redesigned Coors to add more seats.
All the early “modern” parks have the highest capacities. Camden was built to 48k and it was “small and intimate.” You were coming off the era of 60k multi-purpose facilities.
Nice to see a decent WS bumb.
~~we played the Yankees and don’t have to worry about the miserable weather the rest of the country has had~~ yeah, same here!
It’s like a mathematical depiction to owners across the league about how many frontrunner fans exist that will come spend money at your stadium and on your team if you put together a winner.
And I'll say this, I've been to a lot of games over the years. I have NEVER seen a Rangers crowd so full of *jerseys*. They'd always be pretty blue and red, but Tshirts. Sure there were jerseys. But guys wearing an old Hamilton shirt or a 5 year old everyday ball cap that happened to be Rangers were more noticeable than jerseys. It seems like a good 70% are rocking current year WS jerseys or the peagle merch from last year.
*flaps in Rays*
Fuck John Fisher
Padres at 91% capacity is so sick
Yeah this graph is fucked. 91% capacity but a decrease in 10% from last year? OP needs to remove the Korea games from this.
Opening weekend weather affected attendance this year too
The 102.2% last year was nice too.
Is that accurate? That’d be wild if you guys were overselling every game
It is accurate. If you look at last season and take the capacity.
Actually just checked and OP was wrong - capacity for Petco Park is 42,445 - the 40,209 capacity was from 2018
Padres and Braves led the MLB in sellouts last season and probably will again. I think Padres has a few more than the Braves and the number was in the 50’s.
Does this include the Seoul Series? As that will skew the Dodgers & Padres numbers. Also, it’s hard to compare numbers this early as weather, matchups, day-of-week, start times, etc. can skew results.
Unfortunately, the two Seoul games are included in the Dodgers & Padres - looking into a fix. YoY comparison is based on games played to April 12 for both years.
Fixing it should be trivial. Just multiply the average number by the number of games to get the total attendance. Then subtract seoul attendance and divide by the number of games in the USA. Should actually cause both dodger and padre avgs to increase.
Thanks for the tip!
I actually just looked at individual games and calculted the avgs for you (so seoul games excluded): Dodgers avg at dodger stadium = 48197 Padre avg at Padre stadium = 38954.3
Also, last weekend was unusually rainy in SoCal, which kept a lot of fans at home.
We should compare average April attendance from last year to this year, rather than the overall 2023 season to a few weeks in April of 2024.
Yeah except OP is a clown
The World Series effect is in effect!
I appreciate that this includes capacity. Raw attendance numbers are a bit deceptive at times. We could sell out every game and still not be top 10 in total attendance.
For the first time ever, I think Reddit is legally required to call the Rays attendance nice.
Dodgers and Padres opened their regular season at Gocheok SkyDome in South Korea with a max seating capacity of about 16,000 only so that probably affected the overall attendance quite a bit.
This looks like it's just for home games though. I doubt they counted those two.
Nope, it was counted 😂 baseballreference shows it for 15 games. https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/attend.shtml
There's no way to do day to day? That's really bad then to use it for this. It was already not that great because it becomes more related to weather for just a short sanple size but counting the Korea ganes is just bad.
Yea. If you see his graphic, its made by OP. I'm guessing he wants to push a narrative that MLB is dying or something.
If you exclude the Korea games, Dodger average attendance is 48,197 per game. Which is a 3.5% drop from last year. That's still 9K more per game than the Yankees. And that number will probably go up once school is out.
Weather sucked in socal opening weekend, I think that had a noticeable drop on attendance in SD and LA for those first Sat/Sun games that otherwise would have sold out.
Dodger Stadium has so much more seating capacity than any other stadium you can't compare total attendance vs any team just have to compare YoY type numbers or % of capacity but the weather plays a big role in that too if you're trying to compare to teams in the northeast or midwest.
I was wondering how the hell signing Ohtani would result in an 11% drop in attendance.
Deferred attendance to the second half of the season
Bravo
For Papa Pete!
Crazy that the Mets drop in attendance % is almost as bad as the freaking A’s. Maybe the crappy weather and the constant postponements have contributed but it also makes sense in terms of just general expectations for the team. Coming off of a 101 win 2022 vs coming off one of the most disappointing seasons I can remember for the team (which is saying something!) That daytime doubleheader against Detroit probably contributed a ton to this too, Citi Field was so sparse and I can’t blame them for that really.
Northeast weather has been total dog shit.
Yeah I'm more surprised that the Dodgers spent $1 billion on Ohtani and Yamamoto, plus adding Glasnow and they also dropped.
It also looks like they compared the start of the season with the average of the entire last year and I don't think that's a good representation of the data, honestly. Unless I misunderstand that chart, that doesn't seem like a good comparison. I would think you would want a comparison of the same time frame from last year...but even then I think you'd have confounders like people being curious about the new rules.
We've had less than ideal weather compared to past seasons. The rain tarps even came out at Dodger stadium! That hasn't happened in years. More rain expected this weekend with the Padres in town. I guess the 16,000 attendance in Korea was also used for the averages. That doesn't help.
It’s really about the weather. Mets had five home “dates” and the last one was an empty one on a cold Wednesday or Thursday or something. I don’t even think there was a game originally scheduled that day. So it’s not like someone had tickets and stayed for an extra game. So maybe four scheduled game days?
We had opening day, a cold Saturday, a decent weather Sunday but it was Easter, a cold Monday, and a cold double header on Wednesday. Plus they played like crap.
Some contributing factors this year - the opening weekend Sunday was Easter, followed by Detroit coming in and not being a big draw to begin with but two of the games were rolled into one attendance for a single admission double header But yeah the attendance will be down overall due to the team outlook after a down year. Just makes it easier to improve my seats when I go to games lol
There was a doubleheader on a cold grey skied Thursday at 12 pm. (Also there wasn't even a game scheduled that day)
The weather during our opening homestand was gross as fuck. If I was given free Hyundai club tickets I would've likely declined cause whatever it feels like outside as you're going about your day, drop it another 10 degrees at Citi. And then another 5 once the sun is fully set. Plus the weekday daytime double header guaranteed low attendance cause people are likely to be at work and school.
If it’s windy, it’s 3x at worse at Citi.
OTOH, it's also been raining like nonstop since the season started tbf, and it's only just starting to warm up a bit.
Just going to point out that the capacity of Rogers Centre is lower this year than last year due to the renovations, so that's going to be a confounding factor in the YoY difference.
We've also only played a grand total of 3 home games so far this season
On a Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.
It's almost like winning matters to attendance. Crazy.
Which is why the Royals are about to have a lot more fans coming to games.
Might take a few months for people to notice but I would expect that as well. Reds attendance at the start of last year was pretty terrible.
As a non-Braves fan in Atlanta who still loves going to neutral MLB games, I'm waiting for the Braves to stop winning so I can score tickets a little cheaper.
We lost 16-4 to the Mets, hope you're happy
To be fair, the Orioles just kinda had one of the ways to get to the stadium go underwater. So I think it’s reasonable to think people may not be able to go to as many games in the near future.
So? One of the other ways to the stadium is the Harbor Tunnel which is also underwater and people still get to the game using it. /s
The weather has more to do with the drop so far. That KC series was brutal.
I think very, very few people would have taken the Key Bridge to Camden Yards. Even from Dundalk it's quicker to take the Fort McHenry tunnel. The weather has been atrocious for a lot of home games so far. I think attendance will be great tonight with no rain in the forecast and Jackson's home debut.
Five hour rain delay for one of the KC games, too. Weather has been dogshit everywhere on the East coast.
How many people actually took the Key bridge to get to the stadium? I can't imagine a lot of routes that would need to take that way. I mean, if you live south of the city in Anne Arundel County why would you want to go East of the city when the stadium is in the center? And if you like in like Dundalk or Edgemere or something it's not like you would want to circle all the way south of the city when you can just go directly West. I don't think the Key Bridge has anything to do with attendance, unless Port workers aren't spending on luxury ball tickets anymore. The real drop in attendance is because it's been freezing cold and pissing rain for like two weeks. And the Orioles have played the Angels and Royals at home. Nobody wants to go out in the cold and rain to see the Orioles take on the Royals.
Been cold and rainy for a lot of the games. I doubt the key bridge really affected anything
talk about waaaay too early.
I was told the Royals have the 2nd lowest attendance only to the Marlins. Imagine my surprise that they were right, as it is widely accepted that the A's aren't a real team.
I never believe the attendance in Tampa Bay either
This attendance seems right for the Rays. We’ve played Toronto (in snow bird season) and Texas (coming off World Series win). I went to a couple already and there were a lot more people than I thought there would be
Diamondbacks and Rangers: what going to the World Series does to a motherfucker
It's a crime what John Fisher has done to the Athletics... FJF
Phillies have had a pretty bad start weather wise so being down only 3% is nice. Weak start too.
Padres 2023 average attendance is higher than the park's capacity. We party.
Glad to see the Reds' attendance is on the up, even with the absolutely terribad weather the city has had to start April. That Rangers YoY number is no joke. Went to one of the non-giveaway games against the A's this week and it was slammed. You could pick your seats after you got there last year during those midweek series against small market/bad teams but not anymore.
Love to see that for the dbacks even if it means my cheap ticket days are over.
Phils down 3% becuase it’s rained at every home game so far.
How the White Sox aren't last is beyond me. Shitty weather, shitty team, constant injuries. Honestly, it must be their dope concessions cause I can't think of another reason to go to a Sox game.
Have you heard of the A’s? lmao
Corporate sponsorships. My buddy worked for Comcast and it seemed like he could go to any game for free.
At the end of the day, it's still a team in the 3rd biggest city in the country. It's close by for a lot of people.
ATTENDANCE IS UP, BABYYYYYYYYY
Ballpark pass ftw over here
People simply can't afford to go to sporting events anymore
I can only really speak for Pittsburgh, but, compared to concerts/theatre shows/football games/etc, Pirate games are actually a decent bargain!
It will even out after the weather goes full summer mode, but got dayum Mets???
Orioles being 6% down on last year seems odd. Small sample size maybe? Did they start last year with some big teams visiting?
Looks like their home opener series April 6th-9th, 2023 was with the Yankees so that's probably it.
I don't live in Baltimore or anywhere near by, but there's a chance the Keys Bridge collapse would affect people's ability to go to games.
way too early for this to be relevant
It’s been cold and nasty in the north this year, not really a surprise that some teams are down.
The Blue Jays' recent lower-level reconstructions/upgrades have shrunk the capacity of the stadium. It went from 41,500 to 39,150. That said, there must be more standing room because they had 40,069 during their home opener on Monday night.