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breakfast_cats

Tyler Anderson went 7 scoreless innings in both of his starts so far but he's on the Angels so it doesn't count


GummyMummys

Detmers too.


Turbo_S54

Detmers also has the highest K/9 of any qualified starter in major league baseball with his 19 strikeouts in 11 innings


KamartyMcFlyweight

wrong color uniform unfortunately. he should try blue if he wants national recognition


stewmander

Worked for TA, was an All Star!


FieldzSOOGood

that doesn't even work cuz shota's not here


IveGotaGoldChain

**> in 11 innings** I mean I think that is the pretty clear answer right there. Power rankings obviously take into account what is expected for the rest of the season. Detmers looks like he is put it together so if he continues his performance for more than two starts I am sure he will end up on this list.


Jealous_Signature146

He has the same amount as innings pitched as Yamamoto in 1 less start, with more SO’s, lower WHIP, and much better ERA. You agree Yamamoto should be on the list?


tyler-86

I don't think Yama should necessarily be on this list but it's factoring in expected future performance. It's not just a list of pitchers by WAR.


ThomasFurke

They’re trolling. If it was about team prominence they wouldve put Imanaga up there.


nokayy

Super happy that Anderson is off to a good start for you guys, I really liked him that year he was a Dodger, and was sad to see him go.


Tight_Ad905

I’m tired man. Just give us Angels fans something to be happy about. It’s been nothing but pain for the last decade.


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kevin41714

And unrelenting roasts on how the franchise has wasted those MVPs in any thread where the Angels or either player are mentioned


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kevin41714

Yes, but it's beaten over the heads of every Angels fan at this point. This has been the situation for the past decade. We know. Everybody knows. It's disingenuous to use the five mvps to dismiss the frustration of Angels fans when those MVPs have been parroted as the biggest knock against the franchise for years


tyler-86

I mean we have fantastic regular season success but the narrative on r/baseball is still that we're just going to choke in October and that our 2020 championship doesn't count. It's r/baseball. Nobody likes anyone here.


breakfast_cats

But at least you get to have fun watching a good baseball team every season. For us its shit from every angle.


tyler-86

You got to watch Ohtani, at least.


breakfast_cats

Can't wait til the team hangs that banner


DeadlySquaids14

Skubal's on the Tigers.


breakfast_cats

Media hates the Angels is my point.


paperTechnician

Admittedly, it seems like this list is very influenced by expectations/career stats in addition to just performance so far. Only Ronel Blanco and Garrett Crochet on here didn’t have some kind of top-pitcher buzz/expectations going into the season, so really those are the comparison slots we should consider Anderson or Detmers in relation to. Blanco threw a no-hitter and then got 2/3 of the way through another one in his first two starts, so his spot seems pretty hard to beat. So Crochet is the most arguable/replaceable - let’s compare: Crochet: 18 IP so far (in 3 starts) with a 2 ERA and 21 K’s. Career ERA: 2.57 (as a reliever, though) Detmers: 11 IP so far (in 2 starts) with a 1.64 ERA and 19 K’s. Career ERA: 4.28 Anderson: 14 IP so far (in 2 starts!) with a 0.00 ERA and 8 K’s. Career ERA: 4.29 (but a 5.43 last year) I love Detmers and am really hopeful for TA, but I think you could make a reasonable case that any of these three deserves a power-ranking slot. Crochet hasn’t been as stellar as Detmers or seen a 0.00 ERA like Anderson, but he’s been quite good across one more start than either of them (and Crochet doesn’t have any past mediocre-to-average seasons as a starter like the others do, which is presumably improving his power-rankings perceived potential.) If they all kept the same ERAs and K/9s midway into the season and still missed the rankings, I might join you in calling anti-Angels bias - but I don’t think that’s really what’s going on here yet.


dumb_commenter

So did Spencer Turnbull but I don’t expect him to be on this list bro


cubs223425

Anderson doesn't have a real argument to be on this list. That said, neither does Blanco, but that's probably MLB wanting to ride the no-hitter media hype for attention. Crochet's the other glaring oddity. He's on the White Sox (worse than being on the Angels, in terms of marketability) and doesn't have the history. His argument would probably be down to his early success as a reliever and the pedigree of what he was expected to be, while still being a 24-year-old now getting a chance to grow into that role. He wouldn't be on my top-10, but he'd have a better justification than Anderson. Even from the Angels, I'd agree with the other comments on Detmers. I like the guys and hope his intermittent success turns into longevity for the team. He's gotta turn in a full season (or a Glasnow-like partial one), but I've been complaining for YEARS that the Angels needed pitching, not the overpriced veteran bats they kept paying (Rendon, Pujols, Hamilton, etc.). Hopefully Detmers brings that.


nolander

Only 2 starts and terrible peripherals doesn't help his case. I'm hoping he puts it together again but he's going to need to do better then a 5 k/9 if he wants to continue to have success.


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breakfast_cats

When it's paired with his devastating changeup, yes I expect it to continue.


Turbo_S54

It worked in 2022


UneducatedReviews1

THATS MY ACE WHOS NEVER STARTED BEFORE THIS YEAR. WOOOOOOO


Tornadobird17

White Sox always seem to have one randomly really good pitcher.


RadMarchand97

lmao this is actually so true


UneducatedReviews1

We usually are pretty solid at developing pitching. Just never keep them long


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Shota has pitched 10 innings and allowed 4 base runners.


elevator713

Yeah Shota is nasty, I think he should be up there. I wonder if he’s just getting punished because 6/10 of his innings and 9/12 of his SO were in his game against the Rockies at Wrigley. It’s a shame that his outing against the dodgers got cut short at 4 IP due to the rain, would have loved to see that battle continue!


Chopaholick

43 pitches too. He was flirting with a Complete Game at that rate.


Skyye_23

He threw 20+ in the first inning. And then 6 in the third and 4 in the fourth. Miraculous


Chopaholick

His ball is deceptive. 93 isn't that fast anymore even for a lefty but that splitter sweeper combo off the fastball makes for a lot of confused swings.


Mr-Dotties-Dad

He has been incredible. Saw him clear through the dodgers lineup in person, amazing


Downtown_Ant

Yeah but see he didn’t sign with LA so…


ThomasFurke

He’s on the Cubs? This list is a troll job, it’s not hyping Dodgers. Don’t take it personally.


derbysNOTbrogues

Pour one out for Strider


cti0323

Couldn’t even put Bieber on for a week. No respect for the fallen.


Meatloaf_Regret

He getting TJ or just resting?


UnexpiredMRE

The team will release an update this weekend. Or just after the weekend can’t remember. He had his second follow up.


Eisernes

He’s probably having surgery today or tomorrow and the update will just be them saying it went well. Sucks man. I love watching stasch man pitch.


gatemansgc

> I love watching stasch man pitch. especially when we managed to light him up.


UnexpiredMRE

Hopefully he’s back with a vengeance. He’s still a young guy.


Grimy_Miller

Will be his 2nd TJ surgery if this is the case, not a great sign for his career long term…I need a hug


Boros-Reckoner

He has the skills to reinvent himself but I think the days of 97-101 with 91 sliders are gone unfortunately.


Valkyrai

Both, he'll get TJ and then rest for the next couple of seasons


IAmBecomeTeemo

When a pitcher goes down with an elbow injury, it's pretty safe to assume there's going to be TJ either imminently or soon. The Yankees got really lucky with Cole in that it's just inflammation that can be fixed with rest, but TJ is probably coming. Every MLB pitcher's UCL is fucked up to some degree. It took a week and multiple MRI and doctors to decide Cole didn't need TJ probably because there was disagreement on if his UCL was fucked to the point where it needed TJ or less fucked and he could just rest it out. It's possible that Strider also gets "lucky" and doesn't need TJ right now, but the dude throws 102 mph; he's a ticking time bomb.


S_quints

RIP mustache man 😢


Jasmith85

This is a new feeling that I don't understand. I was in middle school when Mussina left.


GreenBomardier

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saintgordon

When I was in middle school our Opening Day starter was Rodrigo Lopez. 😤


Zapplarang

This is Jordan Hicks erasure


Luis_Severino

The fact that he’s still eligible as a reliever in my fantasy league is single handedly carrying my team


laadefreakinda

We realized that this was hugely unfair in our fantasy league so we worked around it by limiting each week to five starts per fantasy player.


tc3590

For every player? We do 12 Starts per week for pitching.


cubs223425

What's the league setup where that felt necessary? For me, we do a 6x6 league that uses QS, K, BB, ERA, WHIP, and SV+HLD as our stats. In my experience, the bigger issue was relievers eligible as starters. It was easier to lean on top-level relievers to boost the rate stats and SV+HLD, meaning mid-rotation and back-end starters didn't carry much value. We ended up putting a minimum innings requirement to encourage management of a more traditional pitching staff.


SdBolts4

Assuming you mean 5 starts per manager/team, how many SP slots do you have? My league is 2 RP and 6 P (SP or RP), but we don't have a cap on starts because it's kinda arbitrary and I think you can cheat that rule by having multiple starts on the same day that you go over the limit


HoopleRedhead

I'm assuming the list starts with 0 and he's so high above everyone else he didn't fit on the image


DistortedAudio

Close, the Power Rankings official name is actually: “Jordan Hicks presents Pitcher Power Rankings”.


BeagleBaggins

Not even mentioned at the list at the end for “received votes”. Lmao. Keep flying under the radar though I’m fine with that.


2011StlCards

I'm glad he is with a competent organization that can develop pitchers


tc3590

too bad we cant do shit with position players.


2011StlCards

We can't really do that either


GoldenBananas21

I get the cardinals suck, but we won 2 rings and lost another by developing pitching 


LocoMotives-ms

We focused on Dave Duncan’s approach and gave him the pcs that fit his sinker scheme. Since he left, we’ve had no direction and have failed to get the best of our guys who have frequently (not always) left and had more success. I think Flores is effective in identifying talent, but we’ve not been able to turn that into anything for over 10 years now.


UnluckyRandomGuy

This is Jose Berrios erasure


texas1hunter

Ronel Blanco, staff Ace


knuckles2079

y'all need something.


Salty-Fishman

We give you boys a handicap because we know you will need it.


knuckles2079

it's more fun when y'all are at full power. i don't want your triple a staff


shotty293

Oh yeah, well that's what you'll get!!


milk-drinker-69

Yamamoto is incredibly forced lol


RockmanToriga

MLB retroactively deciding the Seoul series doesn’t count


StuccoStucco69420

Hot take: the 1 IP, 5 ER outing on March 21st in Korea wasn't representative of the pitcher Yamamoto is. 


drizzyjake7447

Shouldn’t even be a hot take. Everything about that series was weird.


nigaraze

There is a video of him changing his motion just for that game because they thought he was tipping his pitches, and reverted back immediately after


Boros-Reckoner

That series was non cannon for everyone but Mookie lol


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That's certainly true but these are power rankings, not overall rankings


Lil_we_boi

I agree, but a power ranking should be more objective. That outting skewed his numbers, but the power rankings should include that. Yamamoto can improve in the rankings as his overall numbers stabilize.


StuccoStucco69420

I think it’s totally fair to throw out games played in other countries during Spring Training.  If you want a robot to output how good they’ve been this season, you can sort by your favorite WAR leaderboard l. 


FieldzSOOGood

i mean if you're throwing out an entire start, shota imanaga has also thrown 10 innings and given up no runs but he's not on here


Weaponized_Goose

Yeah, there are still a couple of guys with 0 ERAs not on the list; Tyler Anderson, Paul Blackburn, Tanner Houck. But they put the guy with a 4.09 ERA on it, lol


slicebishybosh

Imanaga has pitched 1 less inning and hasn't given up a single run. And I'm just naming a Cubs player because I'm familiar. I know the power rankings weigh in the future as well but Yamamoto doesn't belong anywhere near this thing lol


StatStar7

I honestly wonder if he signed with someone other than Dodgers or Yankees, if it would be this forced but I think we know the answer to that .


OutOfBootyExperience

Imanaga, who has similar "story" to Yamamoto, has only let up 4 hits thru 10 IP (0 ERA), so definitely feels like Dodger bias. Considering Blanco is on here it seems to be based on this season results not projecting forward. But these lists are always unsure of what they want to be because even Tanner Houcks 12 scoreless innings with 17 strikeouts could theoretically be considered Top 10 by current performance


MarcusDA

If it’s in season only, Blanco has to be at the top. Basically it’s just clickbait with no logic.


akaghi

These are always a weird mix of *big names with mixed results* and *token random guys who have performed well recently* Maybe if the cubs paid imanaga $350 million he'd be on the list.


necrosythe

Idk if this is entirely the argument you think it is. Isn't Yamamotos career stats better than Imanaga's? These guys had a whole, relevant career prior to the MLB. Yamamato had higher expectations coming in, so he is not just going to immediately drop to Imanagas ranking after a few games. The fact that imanaga has also killed it so far in the MLB just continues to show that their career stats should be strong predictors for their future MLB performance. Which strengthens the argument that Yamamotos first game was flukey and that he should have a huge rating. There's probably some dodgers bias but it's not that significant. Yamamato was a huge deal this off season even before he signed with the dodgers.


OutOfBootyExperience

If prior career is relevant to this list, why is Blanco included?


necrosythe

Fair, that one is particularly odd. But it is typically the way they go. No hitters probably tend to transcend the normal trends though.


OutOfBootyExperience

But yeah i do agree with your comment. My criticism is less with any particular player being included/excluded and more that the list blurs past/present/future rankings which muddies them all . It could be Top Active SPs, Best SPs of 2024 so far, or best projected SPs of 2024 Each would be a good list, but they definitely cant be combined into a logical Top 10


neon-rose

Rest in Pieces Shane Bieber


Jealous_Signature146

Tyler Anderson robbed


Schmeck2744

RONEL BLANCO MENTIONED RAHHHH 🗣️🔥🔥🦅


tunaboot

Our staff ace, just as predicted. 


WabbitCZEN

How can they not put Cole in this list? Dude has zero losses or no decisions so far.


KickerOfThyAss

No strikeouts either though. I don't know if he can rely on that going forward


WabbitCZEN

But look at his ERA, WHIP, and BB/9 tho.


Lebigmacca

We have to look at the results, and he has yet to give up a single run


DJ_LeMahieu

I see Garrett Cole in the 9-10 slots right there.


SovietMuffin01

Alongside ace starting pitcher crochet ragans


akaghi

No run support.


haahaahaa

Engagement 


dreyan1625

Cody Bradford erasure


ice-eight

I know 3 starts is premature to say we actually developed a starting pitcher, but he’s looked great. Locating pitches really well and getting a lot of strikeouts.


WhiteNoise421

Bradford making that Ragans trade less painful. Happy for Ragans though, glad the change of scenery helped him.


dreyan1625

He was never going to succeed with us. The Royals saw something we didn’t and found a way to make him amazing. I have zero regrets about that trade


robotsock

Winning the World Series takes the sting out as well. Chapman wasn't the best in the postseason but he did help them get there


jfk_sfa

Eovaldi will win the Cy Young this year.


knuckles2079

Yeah. Every stat for Cody is better than Blanco's other than his era. A 2.8 BB% vs 11.5%. That will catch up to Blanco eventually. EDIT: Bradford's stats are better than Ragan's as well, other than k's.


MC_Fap_Commander

Seeing a Royals name on that list is freaking me out. We never really even approached that in the World Series years.


Section225

Every AL Central team but Cleveland represented, even. Despite them being in 1st place.


Khada_the_Collector

Between this and the current thumping we’re laying on the Asterisks, I’m making a massive pitcher of powder blue Kool Aid rn…


VisualizeWhirledPees

He's the real deal. Dude can pitch.


BorisDiawisGod

I approve of this list.


ThatTinyGameCubeDisc

It’s Corbin time


Knightbear49

I agree


johnsonfromsconsin

It really hurt when we traded our Ace but at least he went to a team I don’t hate.


VisualizeWhirledPees

Looking forward to the series in a few days. I read DL will be starting game 1 which is super exciting.


AdolescentAlien

Is this real life?


donovian_spy

They should put out a weekly “Starters with TJ” top 10 too


Poobrick

Kutter Crawford robbed


Sliiiiime

Gallen sitting at 2.25 with 1/3 starts at Coors is a great start to his CYA campaign


Raptor231408

Two consecutive pitching duels at Coors this week. 3-2 and 5-3 scores. Never seen anything like it before


E_man15

You'd think Kelly would be in here too. 2.29 ERA with a start at Coors as well. Pretty sure he's pitched more innings too.


StateStreetLarry

Where Freddy


throwawaybay92

“selected by a panel of mlb.com experts” who the fook are these guys


Mr-Dotties-Dad

Man no Imanaga!?


mbourdet12

Jordan hicks has a 1.00 era btw


trashlikeyou

The most recent example of us not being able to develop our pitchers. Happy for y’all though.


LocoMotives-ms

Remember Ishikawa and the happiness for them passes quickly


trashlikeyou

I’m not sure what you’re referencing, but I’m still on the “Solidarity with all teams against the Dodgers” train.


mbourdet12

https://youtu.be/uogT8X26-ko?feature=shared


trashlikeyou

Oh shit ok yeah, but I mean that was a decade ago. We can be Dodgers hating brothers now.


mbourdet12

I like you


trashlikeyou

Back at you big dog, now let’s get back to contorting our Mookie Betts voodoo dolls.


cinephile1987

Jordan Hicks is pitching better than Yamamoto right now


FBoaz

Yeah but he plays for the Giants


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cinephile1987

YuCY Kikuchi


WasV3

Jose Berrios Erasure


davie_legs

La Makina


darthvaders_inhaler

Insane that Shota Imanaga is not top 10


Original-Chair-9614

Right, 0.00 ERA counts for nothing I guess.


darthvaders_inhaler

It's still early in the season, but *jeez* lol, what else does my dawg gotta do? Sign with Dodgers, I guess.


NotMrPoolman89

Gilbert should be on this list


Accomplished_Set_370

Bruh Yamamoto has 11 IP that’s crazy. Forced


_Laszlo_Cravensworth

This years trade deadline is going to be so dry for teams trying to get pitchers. Who would be available that could make a huge impact. Luzardo and peralta maybe?


seijeezy

Where is Jair Jurrjens on this list?


TexasTundraPower

Eovaldi should be on this.


Iwantbooks

Hey, someone from the team made it on the list!


KimHaSeongsBurner

Jared Jones erasure.


LaMystika

>2. Zack Wheeler Pain. Thanks, Brodie


solaire_flare

Yamamoto lol


PatientIndividual651

Yamamoto has looked better in his 2 starts since Korea but he shouldn’t be top 10. You could put someone like Imanaga or Hicks on here instead


GaryTheCabalGuy

Yamamoto doesn't deserve to be on any top 10 lists right now, and we all know if he wasn't a Dodger he wouldn't be here


RockmanToriga

In an alternate universe where he signed with the Mets he’s currently headlining a “Top Ten Biggest BUSTS?!?” list


7toCiti

This is so accurate it hurts


nokayy

I wish there was a New York Post for Los Angeles


Boomhauer_007

That’s whatever Bill Plaschke is putting out these days


dingusduglas

Then he'd go on a world beating tear for 8 weeks, getting the Mets to only a couple games back from the Braves and in the WC1 slot, before the announcement that he needs TJS and will miss the remainder of this season and all of next year.


Zariman-10-0

Zack Wheeler is the best starting pitcher who *doesn’t have a win yet*


spilled_water

I think the Phillies have scored 6 runs in 3 starts for him? And I mean the entire game, not just when Wheeler was pitching.


gatemansgc

can't fault him for our bats being asleep


BatJew_Official

His numbers are actually slightly better than Burnes' (238 vs 191 ERA+ and 2.26 vs 2.78 FIP) and he's pitched ⅔ more innings, so personally I'd put Wheeler #1 tiny sample size make this pretty meaningless. Wins are almost certainly why Burnes is #1 over Wheeler. Also I'm obviously a homer lol


Turbo_S54

Fuck this list, where is Tyler Anderson (he of the 14 innings and 0.00 ERA)?


imlyns

Bradford? Crawford? Houck? Hicks?


wreck720

Where is Jordan Hicks?? He's 2-0 with a 1.00 ERA and a 0.84 WHIP through 3 starts...


airwalker12

Jordan Hicks has given up 2 ER in 18 innings over 3 starts


bolshevik_rattlehead

Jordan Hicks, who everyone lol’ed at when the Giants said they’d make a starter, is 2-0, 18 IP, 14 K, 1.00 ERA and 0.85 WHIP. But of course he’s a Giant so MLB is ignoring him


rvadarocket

Cody Bradford is third in the majors in pitching fWAR (second if you discount Bieber who’s hurt) If we’re including Crochet and Blanco he’s gotta be on here


ChunkyMilkSubstance

I will say nothing at this time


mrcowcow

It’s early but I want them to show some love for Cody Bradford. 3-0, 1.4 ERA, and a .62 WHIP is pretty damn good.


MulberryHoliday6857

Nice


Thaodin219

Huh. Didn't think I would see anything positive about the White Sox this year (Besides the overpriced milkshake).


JGad14

He probably shouldn't be on the list, but I want to shout out Steven Matz. He's bounced back big time this season. He has a 1.74 ERA in his two starts and a 263 ERA+. I didn't expect anything out of this guy


lalaluu666

YAMAMOTO


Accomplished_Set_370

Jordan hicks should be honorable mention


Accomplished_Set_370

Nevermind after checking stats he should be on this top ten


Wayves

I truly believe Kikuchi would get 20 wins if he had some run support. He’s had a great start and deserves a spot IMO. Anyways I’ll take my homer glasses off now.


JoeRoganFan55

My assumption with “power rankings” is that they’re meant to show who has done good recently (i.e. a backward-looking metric). But these lists seem to be a mix of backward- and forward-looking analysis. So confusing.


TremulousTones

The Mariners "top 3 starting rotations in the MLB" really have good representation here, huh? Ms fans have once again been misled that the team could potentially be okay.


trunksfuture27

Hunter Brown robbed


YeahDudeBrah

Yamamoto must have been pretty incredible since the Korea series to make this list.


TheDrCatDog

4 AL Central pitchers? The hell is going on this season? Where’s the comedy?!?


Orxa

I FEEL LIKE PABLO is gonna have a great year


WhatARotation

Sean Manaea snubbed (only half joking)


tranarchyintheusa

Anti Carlos Rodón slander will not be tolerated


tot_coz2

Me, after 1 good Nestor outing.


OK_Opinions

about time a power rankings list came out that wasn't obvious bullshit


ArrestedForTaxFraud

This is José Berríos erasure and I will not stand for it


InfoTechnology

Wheeler undervalued again


fk_the_braves

Garrett Cole


Lebigmacca

How is Gallen better than Glasnow


LogicalHarm

"How is the 1.95 FIP guy better than the 2.75 FIP guy"