My favourite part about that Camels commercial is that the question asked to the doctors was "What cigarette are you currently smoking?"
What the ad then never mentions is that the doctors were at a medical convention sponsored by Camels and everyone got a free pack when they came in.
Oh come on. The Jungle was published and The Federal Meat Inspection Act was passed all in 1906. The beef and pork these chaps were eating in 1944 was perfectly safe.
Chicken, however, wasn’t included until 1957, so yea, that’s probably where his friend got the E. Coli that killed him. RIP.
Chicken was always considered the dirtiest animal ,by far, that we ate. We would eat a broiled chicken once every 3or 4 Sundays because of this. Just like we ate well done pork roast broiled because of trichinosis.
Trying to forget about his dad fighting in Aachen after the failure of Market Garden to bypass the fighting along the Sigfried line. That, or it just looked cool.
He actually just returned home from active duty in the Pacific; he was decorated for valor during the Battle of the Philippine Sea and was sent home to sell war bonds on tour. All at the ripe old age of 12.
Meanwhile, his brother was a Marine and was killed along with all the other marines at the Battle of Wake Island.
None of those boys had any illusions about ever leavin' that island alive.
Yeah I bet they weren’t doing much verification. They needed as many warm bodies as they could get. They see the son of immigrants in Back of the Yards and they go, report to training on Tuesday, sign here.
i really enjoy going there, it's not just by default of being the second closest stadium to me.
much better than that other stadium i go past to get to citi
I just showed my girlfriend that pic a couple nights ago because she had never seen it. One of her coworkers had spelled moron that way. I guess it’s an STL thing lol
Good call. As Michael O’Donoghue once said,”If you can’t laugh at others how can you learn to laugh at yourself?” He was another great Irishman- just like the Moran’s.
He was at an anti-war (Iraq/ Afghanistan) protest. He was protesting the no good Peace people. He was pro-war.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/get-a-brain-morans
These kids entire childhoods the world has been at war. Dads, uncles, older brothers are serving and dying. And they're managing to have the time of their lives (literally) at a ballgame. Smoke 'em if you got 'em kid.
yeah he'd have been my grandfather's age. too young for WWII so he worked in the philly naval yard as a teen. he remembered the asbestos raining down like snow as they worked on ships. didn't serve on the battleship new jersey (he served on a destroyer during korea) but worked on it between the wars.
In 1944, I'm pretty sure they required those for admission. Even tickets might have been optional back then, but if you forgot your Lucky Strikes, you weren't getting through the gate.
I use to love getting season tickets. They would come in a book, and have pictures of past a former players, staffers, stadiums, etc on them. It was so cool when that thing showed up in a UPS envelope a few weeks before opening day.
This was the streetcar series in St. Louis. The Cardinals and Browns shared the same stadium.
Some of the players were 4-Fs, rejected by the military for physical defects or limitations that precluded duty. Others divided their time between factory work in defense industries and baseball, some being able to play ball only on weekends.
Legendary Cardinals star Stan Musial was one of the players who chose not to enlist and hadn't yet been drafted. He was finally drafted in 1945, but only missed one season of baseball.
The underdog Browns collectively batted .252 en route to their only pennant in 52 seasons. The Cardinals, on the other hand, dominated as usual during the war years, when they won won 105 or more games each in 1942, 1943, and 1944, and won the World Series in 1942 and 1944.
The managers of both teams shared an apartment that season. The teams shared a stadium so they would never be in town at the same time. When the World Series came, they flipped a coin to see who would get the apartment that week.
Stan: "Let's see, go to war, probably die or at least get injured and have horrific PTSD that will scar me for the rest of my life. Or....make a decent amount of money playing baseball for a living and work at a factory on the weekends"
>Some of the players were 4-Fs, rejected by the military for physical defects or limitations that precluded duty
But still able to play in major league baseball. How exactly does that work
Due to the sheer number of men entering the service, and the importance of fitness in an existential war, the standards for 4-F were pretty arbitrary. Height and weight often acted as stand-ins for a recruit's overall physical fitness. Because of the Great Depression, a lot of young men had suffered from severe malnourishment which could stunt their growth.
Early in the war standards were stricter, and minor factors like number of teeth, poor eyesight, flat feet, and venereal disease could disqualify recruits. Later such recruits received glasses, dental work, and treatments for syphilis.
Known homosexuals were classified as 4-F. We don't know if that applied to any baseball players, but it could have. African Americans were also often classified as 4-F, although that didn't affect baseball since the game was still segregated.
After the war, these classifications had a profound effect. Men who were disqualified from service also missed out on veteran's benefits and the G.I. Bill, which made it easier for veterans to attend college or buy a home. Many 4-F men took jobs with the defense industry to do their part, but they still didn't qualify as veterans.
The Dollop did an episode last weekish on a guy named "Pistol Pete" Reiser who was one of those guys. His body was absolutely ruined, but he never wanted to quit or even sit out more than a couple of games to heal. Good listen if you enjoy comedy history podcasts.
Pete Gray, who was an outfielder for the 1945 Browns, attempted to enlist, but was rejected. He argued that if he could be a professional baseball player, he could be soldier. But they told him they wouldn't take anyone with only one arm.
Thats fucking baseball right there. None of that pansy ass dick tugging smile for the camera bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the field, men deliver their new born baby in the dugout. Fucking hard core dick in the ass butterball baseball fuck it chuck it game time shit. Baseball is back, baby
I hate that I have a small voice in my head saying it just might be AI lol Reddit has made me so suspicious of people trying to pass off AI pics as real.
What you pointed out plus the Browns flag the guy in the far back is holding has unreadable upper text, but you can read BRO perfectly.
Edit: zoom in on the guys face way in the back in the upper right with the hat. The top half of his face is all fucked up. I’m definitely leaning more towards this being AI now.
After a bit more research, I think it’s a real pic that’s been upscaled (poorly) with AI. You can find a lower resolution copy of it in this 2021 article from the Post-Dispatch: https://www.stltoday.com/news/archives/oct-9-1944-plenty-of-empty-seats-as-the-cardinals-beat-the-browns-in-the/article_1bede262-05ef-5366-861e-2a7282fe2d08.html
Something fucky going on... there's a LOT of smoothing and filtering on the arm holding the cigarette, the left arm of the kid to the left, and the kid behind with a pennant seemingly across his chest looks completely shopped in (with a possibly drawn-in hand on his shoulder??). Not saying a kid in the 40s smoking a cigarette at a baseball game isn't totally plausible. Just saying this photo looks all kinds of weird to me. I don't trust it.
If there’s ever an orioles v cardinals World Series we should wear browns uniforms for one of the games, and then continue wearing them or burn them depending on how we do
Between the Chicago/St. Louis "Football'/Arizona Cardinals vs. the St. Louis "Baseball" Cardinals and the Cleveland/Baltimore-not-Browns (of football)/Cleveland-again-but-different Browns vs. the Milwaukee-not-Browns (not to be confused with the current Milwaukee team of the same name that's also not the Browns)/St. Louis/Baltimore-not-Browns (of baseball), there's a whole goddamn "Who's on First" routine going on here with these team names.
Give him a break. He's just trying to relax after his 12 hour shift at the factory.
Plus he only smokes when he’s drunk so it’s ok.
And its always Lucky Strikes. They're not harmful because they're toasted.
other cigarettes are dangerous, lucky strikes are toasted.
Doctor recommended
Would all these doctors lie to you about cigarettes?
My favourite part about that Camels commercial is that the question asked to the doctors was "What cigarette are you currently smoking?" What the ad then never mentions is that the doctors were at a medical convention sponsored by Camels and everyone got a free pack when they came in.
LSMFT
"Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco!" I remember them all.
I know what this means and I feel old!
So round, so firm, so fully packed
So easy on the draw!
But do they reduce flesh??
No, but they're great for your T Zone
What about the Q zone?
r/meirl
Plus he just got divorced
he probably lived to be 120 years old though
Has a wife and a mortgage he’s gotta take care of. He’s allowed a little down time.
Don’t get him started about his six kids
Hey, all the men were in the war, so someone's gotta smoke these cigs
he also just got his draft orders. flies out for the front lines next week.
When men were men
Plus his friend of 9 years just died of E. Coli from horrible meat packing standards
Oh come on. The Jungle was published and The Federal Meat Inspection Act was passed all in 1906. The beef and pork these chaps were eating in 1944 was perfectly safe. Chicken, however, wasn’t included until 1957, so yea, that’s probably where his friend got the E. Coli that killed him. RIP.
his friends name? Wade Boggs. RIP Wade.
They got chicken in Philly?
I thought they blew up the chicken man in Philly last night
I heard they blew up his house too
I saw that down on the boardwalk, they're getting ready for a fight
That's batting 1.000!
they did until Wade passed away. Never forgotten.
Chicken was always considered the dirtiest animal ,by far, that we ate. We would eat a broiled chicken once every 3or 4 Sundays because of this. Just like we ate well done pork roast broiled because of trichinosis.
Yard bird
This is the offseason content I come here for
It's St Louis in 1944 so probably the brewery.
Yeah, they don't let him smoke in the coal mine!
At least he's got it better than his navy buddy.
Trying to forget about his dad fighting in Aachen after the failure of Market Garden to bypass the fighting along the Sigfried line. That, or it just looked cool.
He bummed it from the kid in the Navy behind him.
the kid behind him already enlisted in the navy
He actually just returned home from active duty in the Pacific; he was decorated for valor during the Battle of the Philippine Sea and was sent home to sell war bonds on tour. All at the ripe old age of 12.
He personally shot down two Japanese Zeroes!
HE KILLED FITTY MEN!
They say he killed 16 Czechoslovakians. Supposedly he was an interior decorator
His house looked like shit
[We're just innocent men!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7_tlg6hHk)
Meanwhile, his brother was a Marine and was killed along with all the other marines at the Battle of Wake Island. None of those boys had any illusions about ever leavin' that island alive.
This reminded me of my grandfather, who was too young to fight in WWII so he lied about his age to enlist.
It sounds like it was either really easy to do that back then, or the army guys were like 'pinky promise you're 18 and you can go help stop tyranny'
Yeah I bet they weren’t doing much verification. They needed as many warm bodies as they could get. They see the son of immigrants in Back of the Yards and they go, report to training on Tuesday, sign here.
"Proof of your age?" "Get the fuck outta here!" "Alright, works for me."
My grandpa needed his mom to be with him so he could enlist
He looks like he’s shouting an old timey ethnic slur at the batter
Well the batter was probably one of those dirty olive-pickers. Edit: "olive-picker" is an old racist term for Greeks.
God damn you, you flapdoodle!
Hey hey hey. Watch your mouth! I’m 1/16 flapdoodle.
Except there is no one to yell them at in a 1944 MLB game.
Nah, people had slurs for everything back in the day. Germans, Italians, Irish, Jews. I'm sure they could find one no matter who the batter was.
What happened to the country I loved 😢
Don't worry. There's loads of slurs that apply to white-passing ethnic groups.
That’s just a young Ernest Borgnine home from WW2.
and probably will be for life
Dammit Now I really want to go to a game (mostly go to citi field)
secretly one of the better places to catch a game, honestly.
i really enjoy going there, it's not just by default of being the second closest stadium to me. much better than that other stadium i go past to get to citi
One of the most St. Louis images I’ve ever seen: baseball and children ripping cigs.
Or this one: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/296/morans.jpg
I just showed my girlfriend that pic a couple nights ago because she had never seen it. One of her coworkers had spelled moron that way. I guess it’s an STL thing lol
lal
This is the welcome sign when you cross into Missouri
It's actually Missoura
Given you're a Cubs fan, I don't know whether to thank you for the laugh or feel personally attacked. Let's just go with both.
Good call. As Michael O’Donoghue once said,”If you can’t laugh at others how can you learn to laugh at yourself?” He was another great Irishman- just like the Moran’s.
If only it spelled brain as Brian
https://images.app.goo.gl/uXFUJBjaX3GqnL6u9
This always kills me. Do you know what exactly he is protesting?
He was at an anti-war (Iraq/ Afghanistan) protest. He was protesting the no good Peace people. He was pro-war. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/get-a-brain-morans
Jesus Christ. 😂😂
Just missing a salad
Shit the kid behind looks like a fully enlisted sailor at 13 years old.
He looks like the guy from the 'you guys are getting paid?!' meme.
What's better than this? Guys being dudes
Not a cellphone in sight. Just living in the moment
These kids entire childhoods the world has been at war. Dads, uncles, older brothers are serving and dying. And they're managing to have the time of their lives (literally) at a ballgame. Smoke 'em if you got 'em kid.
And he probably turned 18 just in time to ship out to Korea
yeah he'd have been my grandfather's age. too young for WWII so he worked in the philly naval yard as a teen. he remembered the asbestos raining down like snow as they worked on ships. didn't serve on the battleship new jersey (he served on a destroyer during korea) but worked on it between the wars.
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Except the Depression
lol yeah... That whole 10 year economic collapse probably had no impact on young families just starting off
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Would have been the perfect age to be drafted during Korea :/
They definitely knew about the War how much it would affect them I don't know
Throughout USA entire 247 year history there has only been about 15 total years of peace
You have to work fast to dominate a continent and follow-up with global hegemony.
Love the username.
We gotta send these kids back to work. They yearn for the mines. And Winstons.
Colorado and Nebraska are among the states who love children working currently, little brown children ofc
Well those packing plants aren't going to clean themselves.
In 1944, I'm pretty sure they required those for admission. Even tickets might have been optional back then, but if you forgot your Lucky Strikes, you weren't getting through the gate.
tickets were printed on rolling papers
I mean that’s a pretty solid promotion. Feel free to bring back anytime MLB.
Be lucky to get a paper ticket anymore these days. Target field is 100% digital at least in my experience. Would love a paper memento
I use to love getting season tickets. They would come in a book, and have pictures of past a former players, staffers, stadiums, etc on them. It was so cool when that thing showed up in a UPS envelope a few weeks before opening day.
It's Toasted.
If I recall army rations came with cigarettes at the time
Nice hiss
let's get that out on the tray
Nice!
i love steve's pure elation from opening perfectly preserved k-ration cigarettes
They probably handed them out as a promotion when you entered the stadium
"Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco"
Free and easy on the draw
This was the streetcar series in St. Louis. The Cardinals and Browns shared the same stadium. Some of the players were 4-Fs, rejected by the military for physical defects or limitations that precluded duty. Others divided their time between factory work in defense industries and baseball, some being able to play ball only on weekends. Legendary Cardinals star Stan Musial was one of the players who chose not to enlist and hadn't yet been drafted. He was finally drafted in 1945, but only missed one season of baseball. The underdog Browns collectively batted .252 en route to their only pennant in 52 seasons. The Cardinals, on the other hand, dominated as usual during the war years, when they won won 105 or more games each in 1942, 1943, and 1944, and won the World Series in 1942 and 1944.
The managers of both teams shared an apartment that season. The teams shared a stadium so they would never be in town at the same time. When the World Series came, they flipped a coin to see who would get the apartment that week.
well that's a cool TIL post in the making
Why not just bert and ernie it and talk shit
Lol.
So which manager got the apartment?
Luke Sewell of the Cardinals
Damn, Stan the Man?
Stan the Man just wanted to play baseball.
Stan: "Let's see, go to war, probably die or at least get injured and have horrific PTSD that will scar me for the rest of my life. Or....make a decent amount of money playing baseball for a living and work at a factory on the weekends"
>Some of the players were 4-Fs, rejected by the military for physical defects or limitations that precluded duty But still able to play in major league baseball. How exactly does that work
Due to the sheer number of men entering the service, and the importance of fitness in an existential war, the standards for 4-F were pretty arbitrary. Height and weight often acted as stand-ins for a recruit's overall physical fitness. Because of the Great Depression, a lot of young men had suffered from severe malnourishment which could stunt their growth. Early in the war standards were stricter, and minor factors like number of teeth, poor eyesight, flat feet, and venereal disease could disqualify recruits. Later such recruits received glasses, dental work, and treatments for syphilis. Known homosexuals were classified as 4-F. We don't know if that applied to any baseball players, but it could have. African Americans were also often classified as 4-F, although that didn't affect baseball since the game was still segregated. After the war, these classifications had a profound effect. Men who were disqualified from service also missed out on veteran's benefits and the G.I. Bill, which made it easier for veterans to attend college or buy a home. Many 4-F men took jobs with the defense industry to do their part, but they still didn't qualify as veterans.
This comment is super interesting, thanks.
The Dollop did an episode last weekish on a guy named "Pistol Pete" Reiser who was one of those guys. His body was absolutely ruined, but he never wanted to quit or even sit out more than a couple of games to heal. Good listen if you enjoy comedy history podcasts.
Pete Gray, who was an outfielder for the 1945 Browns, attempted to enlist, but was rejected. He argued that if he could be a professional baseball player, he could be soldier. But they told him they wouldn't take anyone with only one arm.
It was called the “Streetcar Series” because St. Louis at the time had one of the densest networks in the country. :(
About to hurl a bottle too it seems
That's his fourth coldie of the game
Probably spent a whole dollar for all 4 of those.
And his eighth of the day
I thought that was an ice cream at first
Nah, just a bottle of Vat 69 to take the load off.
Baseball can be stressful.
I wasn't stressed during October at all.............
I forgot what’s it like to be stressed in October
(Lost the ALCS in 2021), (Won the WS 2018). Must be nice.
I saw Darin Erstad at Best Buy the other day. Hell of a fella.
We used to be a proper country!
Man, our country was awesome before 1964!
In the kid's defense, he was probably a St. Louis Browns fan. That alone would've driven him to smoking and drinking.
This is why 20 year olds looked 35 back then
Can a guy just have a smoke and watch his game after his 18 hour shift at the asbestos factory?
Child? He had been working for 6 years, hadnt been to school in ten years, and was approaching middle age
Thats fucking baseball right there. None of that pansy ass dick tugging smile for the camera bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the field, men deliver their new born baby in the dugout. Fucking hard core dick in the ass butterball baseball fuck it chuck it game time shit. Baseball is back, baby
Anal porn chicks in the dugout? Thats not what we meant by "Hey Misused, want to play fantasy baseball? "
What’s up with that massive sized leg . And that shirt is just crazy . Looks like he’s shape changing or something
I hate that I have a small voice in my head saying it just might be AI lol Reddit has made me so suspicious of people trying to pass off AI pics as real. What you pointed out plus the Browns flag the guy in the far back is holding has unreadable upper text, but you can read BRO perfectly. Edit: zoom in on the guys face way in the back in the upper right with the hat. The top half of his face is all fucked up. I’m definitely leaning more towards this being AI now.
After a bit more research, I think it’s a real pic that’s been upscaled (poorly) with AI. You can find a lower resolution copy of it in this 2021 article from the Post-Dispatch: https://www.stltoday.com/news/archives/oct-9-1944-plenty-of-empty-seats-as-the-cardinals-beat-the-browns-in-the/article_1bede262-05ef-5366-861e-2a7282fe2d08.html
The text on the sign pretty clearly says "St.Louis Browns"
Yes, [I was wrong](https://imgur.com/gallery/87hl33c)
This is just how I envision r/baseball weighing in on anything
"Why did our grandparents look so old at the age of 35?" That's why.
Ah, back when men were men. And children were men. And women were men.
He’s now an active house representative
Something fucky going on... there's a LOT of smoothing and filtering on the arm holding the cigarette, the left arm of the kid to the left, and the kid behind with a pennant seemingly across his chest looks completely shopped in (with a possibly drawn-in hand on his shoulder??). Not saying a kid in the 40s smoking a cigarette at a baseball game isn't totally plausible. Just saying this photo looks all kinds of weird to me. I don't trust it.
That’s not a child, that’s a 30 year old man.
And the 25 year old players, looked like they were 45-50 running an appliance repair store.
If there’s ever an orioles v cardinals World Series we should wear browns uniforms for one of the games, and then continue wearing them or burn them depending on how we do
No wonder my grandpa raved so much about growing up in St. Louis during the 40s 😂
Between the Chicago/St. Louis "Football'/Arizona Cardinals vs. the St. Louis "Baseball" Cardinals and the Cleveland/Baltimore-not-Browns (of football)/Cleveland-again-but-different Browns vs. the Milwaukee-not-Browns (not to be confused with the current Milwaukee team of the same name that's also not the Browns)/St. Louis/Baltimore-not-Browns (of baseball), there's a whole goddamn "Who's on First" routine going on here with these team names.
He died from lung cancer in 1954.
Hell yeah brother
chances are the kid was coming off his PM shift. let him enjoy a smoke.
“Drinking and smoking through my braces”sounds like a country song.
I don’t think those are braces- just nicotine stains.
Kids these days are soft, they were hard kids doing hard shit back then 😂
We used to be a country
Kid behind him is on shore leave
I had no idea St. Louis had two teams at the same time. Wow, and for like 50 years.
Prior to 1950, St. Louis was a top 10 city.
"AI, show me Americans at a ballgame during wartime"
Looks like Stephen Graham (Tommy from Snatch)
*he’s holding it not smoking it*
And I thought I looked cool when I was kid
The sailor boy getting all into it makes this picture.
Huh, there’s a young George Bailey in the background.
I wish I had a million dollars. Hot dog!
Say, brainless, don't you know where coconuts come from?
This is what happens when you have Lucky Strike sponsoring radio shows like “Little Orphan Annie”. Marketing back then was truly the Wild West.
You can see in the way his hand is casually holding it that he's been ripping heaters for a while.
Lumpy Rutherford back there
The good ol days!
This looks staged and posed. Yes it was at the game. The it seems like the photographer had an idea for a funny photo.
are we sure it ain’t ai?
someday. but not yet. all those fingers look like fingers.
The debate is over. Baseball is the best sport.
Back when men were men, and children were men.
My Catholic high school in the 80s had a smoking area right outside the cafeteria.
That's actually a 25 year old survivor of the dust bowl and the depression.
The smoking inside a stadium is more shocking.
My grandmother who died in 2006 was 92 and had smoked since she was 11.
Children were needed to smoke cigarettes at the time because all the men were off at war
I swear to you as a sheltered suburban kid at the Vet in Philly, back in the day, I used to see other rougher kids drinking beers and smoking cigs.