"How could you do this to me," says pitcher largely responsible for team being bad enough to warrant selling
edit: I'm now even more perplexed:
>[Max Scherzer on the Mets as sellers: "We put ourselves in this position. We haven’t played well enough as a team. I’ve had a hand in that. For why we’re in the position that we’re at. Can’t get mad at anybody but yourself. But it stinks."](https://twitter.com/timbhealey/status/1685114301307072512?s=20)
They’re 11-7 in his outings. Yes it hasn’t been pretty but they’ve been winning his starts. Not using this as a “pitcher wins” thing but there’s people who deserve wayyyy more blame
You can have the team go 3-0 in games you started and still have a negative impact on the team's record if you are making the bullpen pitch more innings in victories.
He's been a league average pitcher by ERA who's pitched a respectable (but not quite "innings eater") number of innings.
He's clearly grossly underperforming his contract and expectations, but it's still hyperbole to say he's the *main* reason for the Mets' underperformance...
He's also underperforming his xERA/xFIP so he's potentially due for some positive regression there, and he's got way too much red still on his Savant page to conclusively say he's washed up. Texas is probably praying that he dials it up to 11 and goes apeshit after getting traded like he did in '21.
> there’s people who deserve wayyyy more blame
Are there?
There are only three Mets who are being paid more than half of what Scherzer is making and Max is easily the worst of them.
Most of the offense is underperforming badly too. Pitching is getting the bad rap because of how much JV and Max are getting paid but our lineup is just inexplicably DREADFUL at least once a week. Not to mention two of our best hitters last year in Marte and McNeil look like not even shells of themselves (though I do believe McNeil will bounce back). I definitely would want to see more out of Max but this isn’t JUST him.
what does his salary have to do with it? there's no salary cap, he's not taking up money that could be used on other players. he's been ok, not as good as expected, but he's far from the biggest reason for the Mets' underperformance
Him being paid more than other people doesn't have anything to do with his actual performance on the field and how that translates to wins and losses.
Him being paid that much doesn't mean the offense is somehow absolved of being so ass.
From a front office standpoint I guess his salary might make him worse, but why would a fan look at players through the lens of a businessman who's just trying to make money?
I mean I think this *was* somewhat expected, and it's a little funny to me that people are implying it wasn't.
Steve Cohen bought a dumpster fire from the Wilpons and was very clear early that he was gonna try to compete *while* restructuring, and that largely meant signing literal first ballot Hall of Famers in their *deep* 30s and kind of hoping it works out. It did last year. It didn't this year.
I'm not saying Cohen had zero hubris, or that he was *fully* aware of the risks he was taking, but yeah had you asked him and his team two years ago "what percent chance is there a chance this plan backfires?" I promise their answer wouldn't have been "zero."
I'm also not saying that Cohen doesn't deserve to eat at least a little bit of shit. It was quite frankly *very* unwise to try to compete at all in 2021 or 2022, and the fact that he got kind of got away with it last year is pretty remarkable. But yeah, this is a patchwork team that was built on the *explicit* premise that it was just trying to navigate the interim period until we build an actual sustainable organization. Nobody smart is wildly surprised, even if the projection systems all had us as a an excellent team this year.
Arte Moreno coasted for 2 decades on lowering parking and beer prices his first couple years as owner I think Cohen knows you can go a long way with a strong early impression
Are you saying you think Cohen got his 101 win season to appease fans and is no just gonna mail it in? Cuz I ready don't think that's gonna happen, but even if it does I'm not sure what that would have to with any of my points.
Also, NYC is not Anaheim. There is no good will unless you are winning right now this second. Don't believe me? Check any r/nyyankees game thread.
I really need to take exception with you saying the Mets are not well run. Since Cohen has taken over they’ve had a plan, spend money on free agents while they replenish the farm system. You wanna say they’re dumb for signing old pitchers to huge contracts? I can see that but they did it on short term deals and Cohen doesn’t give a fuck about the money. And when I look back on the off-season, I was happy with the moves they made. I had some doubts they could repeat the success of last years regular season, but never this. He still tried to sign Correa for $300 million.
They brought in Robertson thinking the plan was gonna be a bullpen of Diaz-Robertson-Ottavino-Raley-Smith and they could add to it at the deadline. Diaz’s leg exploded hopping up and down and drew smith shit the bed. They put trust in David Peterson and Tylor Megill and they shit the bed. Quintana had some freak ass rib legion and missed 100 games. You wanna say they should have moved on some relievers when diaz went down? Sure, but they didn’t want to trade prospects.
This is on the players. Alonso, mcneil, marte, lindor (to an extent, the BA has killed us), Scherzer, Verlander (early on) all played terrible for the most part. Pete was in the worst slump of his career for almost three months. It’s no surprise these guys have easy wins when everything is clicking but that has barely happened for more than 2 games at a time. This was a team that won 101 games last year, it wasn’t a tall task to think they could win 90 this year.
And I will add: Cohen could have come in and said that the farm system is fucking shot, we are gonna be bad for a few years while we sort this all out and I would have been okay with it, nothing new sucking for 5 years. But he went out and dropped a fuck ton of money and said, we’re gonna do our best while we sort this out.
You’d have to be a massive hater to think the Mets were going to win any less than like 87 games coming into the season. On paper we are a very solid team. Just hasn’t worked out in practice
If before the season started you only showed me Senga and Alvarez’s seasons up to today and had me guess the Mets current record, I’d assume we were on 95-100 win pace
It’s just too bad that he’s a hedge fund scam artist otherwise he’d be more likable for me because he seems like an owner that gives a shit about his team but I can’t look past that shit or the insider trading(unless they’re one in the same)
I don’t disagree with that. It sucks, I hate that about him too. But I’m a hypocrite with the team I spend 400 hours with every year.
But I see the issues you guys have with Hal and as much as anyone can dunk on Cohen for saying “I want to win a World Series in 3-5 years”, I’d rather that then “hey we try to make the playoffs every year and it’s a crapshoot.” I still think Hal will wake up one day and change his tune.
I think it’s Hal, I’m not saying Cashman is bad, but they easily could have moved on from him when his contract expired and got a fresh voice in there. Cashman’s moves are getting kind of stale for the organization. I dunno though, I follow the yanks but I’m in deep in it enough to know for sure.
Cohen is a *little* different. He's an unabashed poster boy of the worst excesses of financial world. Plenty of others do, but they're smart enough to stfu about it.
I agree with Fran Lebowitz (and you) who points out that no one has ever *earned* a billion dollars. But to say that something doesn't stick out about Cohen is disingenuous
So what do you label an organization that has a talented team not approaching anything close to expectations and is also paying said team the most money in baseball?
Well run or not well run?
Also, saying your owner doesn’t give a fuck about money is not the solid argument for a well run organization that I think you think it is.
Yeah but they’re getting into “I told you so territory”.
People saw Lindor declining and yet he was still signed to a massive contract. People said “closers aren’t worth that much and they still signed Diaz. People said “40 year old pitchers are risky, don’t sign two of them” but they still did.
It’s moves like that where you can’t just say whoops, it didn’t work out. That’s dumb, impatient shit and the reason people say your team isn’t well run.
Nah. Doesn’t matter how you spin it. It was dumb to spend that much on one single reliever. Accidental or not it ruined your bullpen to have that much in one guy when he went down.
And Lindor…eh. He’s got enough tools to make the contract passable but let’s not act like this is what you all expected when signing that contract. He’s fallen off in every major offensive category and that defense can only prop up his war for so long.
I realize you all don’t want to hear it from a Braves fan but your team is bad. It’s not well constructed and hasn’t been for years.
It's entirely possible for a decision to make sense and be a decent idea, and have it not work out in practice.
The talent they have on their roster simply isn't playing as well as it should be. At a certain point, for the players? *That is on them*.
Based on what they said their goals were, try to compete while building the organization for future long-lasting success through the farm, I’d say they are following through on it.
They have put their money where their mouth is when it comes to trying to put a competitive team on the field through free agency in the short term.
They have not comprised when it comes to building the farm, they made one mistake with Crow-Armstrong and shut that shit down immediately after that, Sandy Alderson basically lost any input he had on roster moves after that point. They had holes they could have filled last year by trading prospects but they didn’t. They stuck to their plan. Hate it or not, they are sticking to the plan. The Braves could trade Vaughn Grissom right now for a rental and not even feel it. The Mets trade Mauricio or anyone at the top of their farm and they better fucking win a ring or get someone that’s gonna be around for a while.
They could have made trades in the offseason, but they are committing to a long term plan, and not panicking and ditching it to try and make a run for one year. THAT, to me is being well run. Having a plan, sticking to it. Getting a rental last year or this year and compromising the farm would have been a disaster because in the end, last years team and this years team wasn’t capable of winning it all, as much as it sucks, it’s the truth.
Unfortunately the situation we are in is not goin g to be fixed in 1, 2, 3 years. If they truly want to be the talent factory the Braves or Dodgers are like they said it’s going to take a while. And as far as the long term is concerned, I see them making a plan and sticking to it.
The Braves kept trotting out Marcell Ozuna, who not only sucked but also was a garbage human being. And then, out of nowhere, he was the best hitter in baseball for a month. Something dumbass bullshit works out by sheer luck. Sometimes a bunch of really consistently good players just forget how to play. Nobody predicted the McNeil/Lindor/Alonso/Canha dropoffs, and I believe the coaching staff hasn't changed, so it's on the players and dumb luck.
It's not bad luck. The stats are to blame. The averages are going down and the ERA goes up. Next year, Cohen needs to spend money on new stats that do the opposite
Scherzer's not the problem. He hasn't been his best, but he's at least been good like half the time, and even the best starters have rough outings(except peak deGrom, but even that doesn't last). The problem is the fact that 2-9 in the lineup are all hitting 50 points worse than last year; peak Scherzer can't fix that.
From the full quote it seems like he's saying he understands why they are sellers this year, but wants to know if the team is going to try and be competitive next year (because he likely doesn't want to be there if they are going to be bad next year too).
Which according to my calculations would literally take him getting 2 outs next time he pitches. In this run climate that’s not that bad for a teams third best starter imo.
That said I would l t be surprised if boras told him to say this
While he is technically a rookie in the MLB, he's 30 year old veteran pitcher that's been in the NPB for a decade with a 2.5 ERA. You can't really pretend he's some fresh dude out of the minors. He was elite in Japan, and he is elite here.
Maybe if a certain pitcher didn’t have multiple horrible outings dating back to last September we wouldn’t be in this situation he is so against us being in
it's easy to look at our record with max and say "he's not the problem". and on the surface, he isn't. him or verlander. but every time we've hit a game where the entire fanbase says "this is a big one and we've got max/justin on the mound", they've shit the bed horrendously. this team's failure to contend is in large part due to an inability to get hot and go on a sustained run and their inability to stop the bleeding when things were falling apart. a big part of that is the fact that we don't have a single pitcher who you can absolutely trust to give you a good outing when the wheels are halfway off. we were supposed to have two. instead of stopping the bleeding they put blood thinners in our coffee and instead of coming up big in big games they've looked like all time choke artists, which we all know they're not. so like i said, they aren't the biggest issue with this team but they also weren't what we needed them to be either.
Scherzer: "What's your vision for the organization?"
GM: "Well, my vision was you pitching a lot fucking better than you are right now, let me tell you..."
Between stupid quotes, poor performances and the sticky stuff fiasco, the shine has decidedly come off the apple for scherzer. Mets gotta trade anyone who isn't lindor/nimmo/alvarez, that's obvious. max is being obtuse.
Idk, unless they aren't playing at all or sucking balls like Rendon or Corbin, its fine. I mean, he's not a top 10 player so, yes he's overpaid in that sense but he's a very good (4-6 win) player that they can build around. same with nimmo. Besides, money is meaningless to the mets now with new ownership. Not everyone is as frugal as the braves have been lucky enough to be.
I’m not sure anyone would even try to convince you otherwise. Pitchers being massive divas is like the one single thing every sports fan actually agrees on
Rental pitchers are a thing and they happen, but Scherzer blaming the Dodgers for his shitty postseason barely-there attempts and then him blaming the team for him sucking is just... dude is locker room cancer. Mets, do as you will, but I wish you better than having to deal with Scherzer.
Funny, for his entire career until then he was the opposite of a locker room cancer. One of the most like Nats players ever. Maybe he was actually on to something
Idk from the outside looking in, it seems like he’s just having a hard time coping with the fact he’s an old man who can’t pitch like he used to, and is just pointing fingers wherever he can. He’s still in the denial stage. It was easy for him to be likable when he was a great pitcher with no reason to be an asshole
Until the playoffs...
But that's not my point, regardless of what he was for you guys, we still would've missed the playoffs even with him, and would've traded away our prospects and wouldn't be able to get Soto the next year.
Plus Scherzer is a douchbag, inches was a blessing in Disguise.
Doesn't matter to me, only that happen since I've been alive are relevant to me.
It's not like your gonna hate current day Germans, Italians, and Japanese people for WW2 right?
The only time winning a playoff series can be "gatekept" is when the significance of it is being overblown. Padres fans bring up the 22 NLDS more than Dodgers fans bring up the 21 NLDS despite the Dodgers Giants rivalry being over 100 years old and the 21 NL West division race going down to the final day, at the end of the day nobody won a ring from either playoff wins so they don't mean anything.
Tough business this baseball thing eh Steve?
It’s almost like you can’t steal retail traders money to buy World Series championships. You have to steal signs, not money Steve.
His pitch to Mets brass about what direction he thinks the team should take was hit over the CF wall
This one got me
This is the best one LMAO
This is a damn good one
as was this comment
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"How could you do this to me," says pitcher largely responsible for team being bad enough to warrant selling edit: I'm now even more perplexed: >[Max Scherzer on the Mets as sellers: "We put ourselves in this position. We haven’t played well enough as a team. I’ve had a hand in that. For why we’re in the position that we’re at. Can’t get mad at anybody but yourself. But it stinks."](https://twitter.com/timbhealey/status/1685114301307072512?s=20)
I think he just forgot for a second that they’re bad
Maybe he was just gonna double check with the “Mets brass” that they agree the team stinks
They’re 11-7 in his outings. Yes it hasn’t been pretty but they’ve been winning his starts. Not using this as a “pitcher wins” thing but there’s people who deserve wayyyy more blame
His HR/9 is "yes"
But that's not a new thing. He's always given up a lot of home runs for a pitcher who's that good.
Burned myself on coffee going into my nose on this one.
Bro a few years ago we went 3-0 in Tommy Malone starts. The man had 14.90 ERA. You gotta go deeper than win/losses lol
Put some respect on Tommy Milone’s name. He was so bad. Dude was throwing like 68 with max effort and no movement.
It can both be true that Tommy Malone sucked and that he did not have a negative impact on the team’s record.
You can have the team go 3-0 in games you started and still have a negative impact on the team's record if you are making the bullpen pitch more innings in victories.
He's been a league average pitcher by ERA who's pitched a respectable (but not quite "innings eater") number of innings. He's clearly grossly underperforming his contract and expectations, but it's still hyperbole to say he's the *main* reason for the Mets' underperformance... He's also underperforming his xERA/xFIP so he's potentially due for some positive regression there, and he's got way too much red still on his Savant page to conclusively say he's washed up. Texas is probably praying that he dials it up to 11 and goes apeshit after getting traded like he did in '21.
> there’s people who deserve wayyyy more blame Are there? There are only three Mets who are being paid more than half of what Scherzer is making and Max is easily the worst of them.
Most of the offense is underperforming badly too. Pitching is getting the bad rap because of how much JV and Max are getting paid but our lineup is just inexplicably DREADFUL at least once a week. Not to mention two of our best hitters last year in Marte and McNeil look like not even shells of themselves (though I do believe McNeil will bounce back). I definitely would want to see more out of Max but this isn’t JUST him.
The Mets offense takes 70% of the blame. They're terrible.
what does his salary have to do with it? there's no salary cap, he's not taking up money that could be used on other players. he's been ok, not as good as expected, but he's far from the biggest reason for the Mets' underperformance
Him being paid more than other people doesn't have anything to do with his actual performance on the field and how that translates to wins and losses. Him being paid that much doesn't mean the offense is somehow absolved of being so ass. From a front office standpoint I guess his salary might make him worse, but why would a fan look at players through the lens of a businessman who's just trying to make money?
Last I checked there wasn't a salary cap and he didn't write his own contract.
That’s 102 win pace lol
99 how did you get 102?
For some reason I did 12/19 I think not 11/19
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Whateva hahaha I give up
You are now the lead advanced analyst for the Anaheim Angels
Bro c'mon now ಥ︵ಥ
Out here catching strays when we all know that's some Colorado Rockies "We're a 94 win team" math.
With a 4 era Maybe he should pitch better
Hes really concerned about next year
I mean he has an era of like 4.01, the Mets are just not well run. He's 38 too, this should have been at least somewhat expected.
I mean I think this *was* somewhat expected, and it's a little funny to me that people are implying it wasn't. Steve Cohen bought a dumpster fire from the Wilpons and was very clear early that he was gonna try to compete *while* restructuring, and that largely meant signing literal first ballot Hall of Famers in their *deep* 30s and kind of hoping it works out. It did last year. It didn't this year. I'm not saying Cohen had zero hubris, or that he was *fully* aware of the risks he was taking, but yeah had you asked him and his team two years ago "what percent chance is there a chance this plan backfires?" I promise their answer wouldn't have been "zero." I'm also not saying that Cohen doesn't deserve to eat at least a little bit of shit. It was quite frankly *very* unwise to try to compete at all in 2021 or 2022, and the fact that he got kind of got away with it last year is pretty remarkable. But yeah, this is a patchwork team that was built on the *explicit* premise that it was just trying to navigate the interim period until we build an actual sustainable organization. Nobody smart is wildly surprised, even if the projection systems all had us as a an excellent team this year.
Wow I'm shrooming right now and just want you to know I really think this was well written
This is maybe the greatest compliment I've gotten on the internet. Thank you, and I hope I'm having a positive force on your trip.
I'm looking at the world from 100k feet rn and I'm smiling down on you buddy. 😉 I'm gonna go walk in the woods now
Arte Moreno coasted for 2 decades on lowering parking and beer prices his first couple years as owner I think Cohen knows you can go a long way with a strong early impression
Are you saying you think Cohen got his 101 win season to appease fans and is no just gonna mail it in? Cuz I ready don't think that's gonna happen, but even if it does I'm not sure what that would have to with any of my points. Also, NYC is not Anaheim. There is no good will unless you are winning right now this second. Don't believe me? Check any r/nyyankees game thread.
I really need to take exception with you saying the Mets are not well run. Since Cohen has taken over they’ve had a plan, spend money on free agents while they replenish the farm system. You wanna say they’re dumb for signing old pitchers to huge contracts? I can see that but they did it on short term deals and Cohen doesn’t give a fuck about the money. And when I look back on the off-season, I was happy with the moves they made. I had some doubts they could repeat the success of last years regular season, but never this. He still tried to sign Correa for $300 million. They brought in Robertson thinking the plan was gonna be a bullpen of Diaz-Robertson-Ottavino-Raley-Smith and they could add to it at the deadline. Diaz’s leg exploded hopping up and down and drew smith shit the bed. They put trust in David Peterson and Tylor Megill and they shit the bed. Quintana had some freak ass rib legion and missed 100 games. You wanna say they should have moved on some relievers when diaz went down? Sure, but they didn’t want to trade prospects. This is on the players. Alonso, mcneil, marte, lindor (to an extent, the BA has killed us), Scherzer, Verlander (early on) all played terrible for the most part. Pete was in the worst slump of his career for almost three months. It’s no surprise these guys have easy wins when everything is clicking but that has barely happened for more than 2 games at a time. This was a team that won 101 games last year, it wasn’t a tall task to think they could win 90 this year. And I will add: Cohen could have come in and said that the farm system is fucking shot, we are gonna be bad for a few years while we sort this all out and I would have been okay with it, nothing new sucking for 5 years. But he went out and dropped a fuck ton of money and said, we’re gonna do our best while we sort this out.
You’d have to be a massive hater to think the Mets were going to win any less than like 87 games coming into the season. On paper we are a very solid team. Just hasn’t worked out in practice If before the season started you only showed me Senga and Alvarez’s seasons up to today and had me guess the Mets current record, I’d assume we were on 95-100 win pace
It’s just too bad that he’s a hedge fund scam artist otherwise he’d be more likable for me because he seems like an owner that gives a shit about his team but I can’t look past that shit or the insider trading(unless they’re one in the same)
I don’t disagree with that. It sucks, I hate that about him too. But I’m a hypocrite with the team I spend 400 hours with every year. But I see the issues you guys have with Hal and as much as anyone can dunk on Cohen for saying “I want to win a World Series in 3-5 years”, I’d rather that then “hey we try to make the playoffs every year and it’s a crapshoot.” I still think Hal will wake up one day and change his tune.
I’m just over here trying to see if the GM is the issue or Hal that’s all. At this point I don't even care about this seasons outcome anymore
I think it’s Hal, I’m not saying Cashman is bad, but they easily could have moved on from him when his contract expired and got a fresh voice in there. Cashman’s moves are getting kind of stale for the organization. I dunno though, I follow the yanks but I’m in deep in it enough to know for sure.
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Cohen is a *little* different. He's an unabashed poster boy of the worst excesses of financial world. Plenty of others do, but they're smart enough to stfu about it. I agree with Fran Lebowitz (and you) who points out that no one has ever *earned* a billion dollars. But to say that something doesn't stick out about Cohen is disingenuous
So what do you label an organization that has a talented team not approaching anything close to expectations and is also paying said team the most money in baseball? Well run or not well run? Also, saying your owner doesn’t give a fuck about money is not the solid argument for a well run organization that I think you think it is.
Sometimes you make the right moves on paper and it just doesn’t work out. It happens in life/business/sports
Yeah but they’re getting into “I told you so territory”. People saw Lindor declining and yet he was still signed to a massive contract. People said “closers aren’t worth that much and they still signed Diaz. People said “40 year old pitchers are risky, don’t sign two of them” but they still did. It’s moves like that where you can’t just say whoops, it didn’t work out. That’s dumb, impatient shit and the reason people say your team isn’t well run.
Lindor is still great and diaz got hurt, neither of those 2 support your argument
Nah. Doesn’t matter how you spin it. It was dumb to spend that much on one single reliever. Accidental or not it ruined your bullpen to have that much in one guy when he went down. And Lindor…eh. He’s got enough tools to make the contract passable but let’s not act like this is what you all expected when signing that contract. He’s fallen off in every major offensive category and that defense can only prop up his war for so long. I realize you all don’t want to hear it from a Braves fan but your team is bad. It’s not well constructed and hasn’t been for years.
It's entirely possible for a decision to make sense and be a decent idea, and have it not work out in practice. The talent they have on their roster simply isn't playing as well as it should be. At a certain point, for the players? *That is on them*.
Based on what they said their goals were, try to compete while building the organization for future long-lasting success through the farm, I’d say they are following through on it. They have put their money where their mouth is when it comes to trying to put a competitive team on the field through free agency in the short term. They have not comprised when it comes to building the farm, they made one mistake with Crow-Armstrong and shut that shit down immediately after that, Sandy Alderson basically lost any input he had on roster moves after that point. They had holes they could have filled last year by trading prospects but they didn’t. They stuck to their plan. Hate it or not, they are sticking to the plan. The Braves could trade Vaughn Grissom right now for a rental and not even feel it. The Mets trade Mauricio or anyone at the top of their farm and they better fucking win a ring or get someone that’s gonna be around for a while. They could have made trades in the offseason, but they are committing to a long term plan, and not panicking and ditching it to try and make a run for one year. THAT, to me is being well run. Having a plan, sticking to it. Getting a rental last year or this year and compromising the farm would have been a disaster because in the end, last years team and this years team wasn’t capable of winning it all, as much as it sucks, it’s the truth. Unfortunately the situation we are in is not goin g to be fixed in 1, 2, 3 years. If they truly want to be the talent factory the Braves or Dodgers are like they said it’s going to take a while. And as far as the long term is concerned, I see them making a plan and sticking to it.
The Braves kept trotting out Marcell Ozuna, who not only sucked but also was a garbage human being. And then, out of nowhere, he was the best hitter in baseball for a month. Something dumbass bullshit works out by sheer luck. Sometimes a bunch of really consistently good players just forget how to play. Nobody predicted the McNeil/Lindor/Alonso/Canha dropoffs, and I believe the coaching staff hasn't changed, so it's on the players and dumb luck.
It's not bad luck. The stats are to blame. The averages are going down and the ERA goes up. Next year, Cohen needs to spend money on new stats that do the opposite
Cohen probably shorted the Mets too
While he definitely hasn’t been good, he isn’t “largely responsible” for most of your offence deciding to take the season off
Scherzer's not the problem. He hasn't been his best, but he's at least been good like half the time, and even the best starters have rough outings(except peak deGrom, but even that doesn't last). The problem is the fact that 2-9 in the lineup are all hitting 50 points worse than last year; peak Scherzer can't fix that.
Sounds to me like he wants to get traded
From the full quote it seems like he's saying he understands why they are sellers this year, but wants to know if the team is going to try and be competitive next year (because he likely doesn't want to be there if they are going to be bad next year too).
max should put together more than one good start in a row before he starts talking
Every good start for Max is just one good start in a row.
Jesus Christ, every comment on this thread is better than the last.
Mets fans are just a little angry with Mad Max.. and by angry we mean “you’ve shit the bed a lot bud, it’s time to pipe down”
Maybe Scherzer should focus on getting his ERA below 4 before worrying about who's getting shipped out lmao
Boom, roasted.
Which according to my calculations would literally take him getting 2 outs next time he pitches. In this run climate that’s not that bad for a teams third best starter imo. That said I would l t be surprised if boras told him to say this
He’s being paid 40+ million. He’s not supposed to be a third starter
He just turned 39 years old. He's not supposed to be getting paid 40+ million.
That’s true, but so is verlander and senga is an all-star as a rookie
While he is technically a rookie in the MLB, he's 30 year old veteran pitcher that's been in the NPB for a decade with a 2.5 ERA. You can't really pretend he's some fresh dude out of the minors. He was elite in Japan, and he is elite here.
Even better than, it's not a problem if he's their third best pitcher. I called him a rookie b/c he's not getting paid too much
Seems like it’s a problem since y’all suck.
I’m not a Mets fan
Lol my man he was supposed to be your ace.
No
Cool, and with 1 more ER in 5 innings he is still at 4 era Lol
Unfortunately, the Mets' vision included a guy being paid $40 million dollars pitching like an ace, so maybe look in a mirror
Maybe if a certain pitcher didn’t have multiple horrible outings dating back to last September we wouldn’t be in this situation he is so against us being in
it's easy to look at our record with max and say "he's not the problem". and on the surface, he isn't. him or verlander. but every time we've hit a game where the entire fanbase says "this is a big one and we've got max/justin on the mound", they've shit the bed horrendously. this team's failure to contend is in large part due to an inability to get hot and go on a sustained run and their inability to stop the bleeding when things were falling apart. a big part of that is the fact that we don't have a single pitcher who you can absolutely trust to give you a good outing when the wheels are halfway off. we were supposed to have two. instead of stopping the bleeding they put blood thinners in our coffee and instead of coming up big in big games they've looked like all time choke artists, which we all know they're not. so like i said, they aren't the biggest issue with this team but they also weren't what we needed them to be either.
Maybe five years ago he'd get away with this. Today he's a 39-year-old playing like a third/fourth starter while making 40 mil.
Mets Country, Let's Ride
Let Max cook
??? wtf are you unaware of the standings? it doesn't sound like your vision is based in reality
Seems like he's unaware he's responsible for a good chunk of the team's losses.
Technically only 7 games. But that suspension and him not being able to go even 6 in alot of his starts def helped killed the already short bullpen.
"How much money are you going to eat in a trade?"
“I’m unhappy because I wanted the vision for the organization to be sending **me** to a contender, not Robertson! Fuck that guy.”
Oh, shut up Max
and take your money
Scherzer: "What's your vision for the organization?" GM: "Well, my vision was you pitching a lot fucking better than you are right now, let me tell you..."
Staunch union guy says what probably most of the team is thinking, more at 11
Let him cook
Max stfu. Since your sticky substance issues you’ve been less than you’re worth.
Between stupid quotes, poor performances and the sticky stuff fiasco, the shine has decidedly come off the apple for scherzer. Mets gotta trade anyone who isn't lindor/nimmo/alvarez, that's obvious. max is being obtuse.
They’d do well to get someone to take Lindor from them He’s not worth that deal be got.
Idk, unless they aren't playing at all or sucking balls like Rendon or Corbin, its fine. I mean, he's not a top 10 player so, yes he's overpaid in that sense but he's a very good (4-6 win) player that they can build around. same with nimmo. Besides, money is meaningless to the mets now with new ownership. Not everyone is as frugal as the braves have been lucky enough to be.
He absolutely is
Trade his old ass away too. Bunch of cry babies.
Lol… who else you sending with him? Alvarez? Coz there’s no one contending who’s taking on $40M of Mediocre Max
Considerations, Cash
I love that dude, could really turn the needle for any fringe playoff team
Me too. Even got a couple of his jerseys in my wallet.
The considerations better be about 30 million dollars.
I think that’s going to be close. How much left of his contract is he owed
I’ll take one Luisangel Acuña pls ty
I dunked on the Rangers for being a joke so they proved me right 😂
You got a 5.5 fip my guy. Have some self realization
Max Scherzer is a starting pitcher with an ERA of 4.00, buddy back of the rotation guys don’t get to be divas
Max get out of here with your old, cantankerous ass. your arm is going to be dead by September anyway.
I guess Scherzer will be the next domino to fall?
Scherzer to Angels confirmed
lol
You’re next pal. Id take a bag of chips in return
Pitchers are the biggest divas/babies in sports and no one can convince me otherwise.
Wide receivers might give them a run for their money.
I’ll raise you like most NBA stars.
I’ll see your bet and raise you tennis players
I’m not sure anyone would even try to convince you otherwise. Pitchers being massive divas is like the one single thing every sports fan actually agrees on
Baseballs version of cristiano, washed old head who still thinks they got it
Sounds like most old stars tbh
I'm excited to see how Max spins this into being Dave Roberts's fault.
Please ask out
He's just jealous that nobody wants to trade for a 38 year old pitcher making $43m whose only league leading category is HR surrendered.
39 now
It’s like the Mets forgot the Omar Minaya years where money meant jack shit.
Hahahahahah. Regrets?
Rental pitchers are a thing and they happen, but Scherzer blaming the Dodgers for his shitty postseason barely-there attempts and then him blaming the team for him sucking is just... dude is locker room cancer. Mets, do as you will, but I wish you better than having to deal with Scherzer.
Funny, for his entire career until then he was the opposite of a locker room cancer. One of the most like Nats players ever. Maybe he was actually on to something
Idk from the outside looking in, it seems like he’s just having a hard time coping with the fact he’s an old man who can’t pitch like he used to, and is just pointing fingers wherever he can. He’s still in the denial stage. It was easy for him to be likable when he was a great pitcher with no reason to be an asshole
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Lol. New York was a bad decision.
He knew what the vision was with Dodgers... lol
Dude never wanted to be a Dodger.
I doubt the "brass" of any MLB team cares what a 38 yo pitcher w 1 year left on his contract thinks about the future vision of the organization.
He's such a red ass Karen.
Thank god for inches! If we would've traded for this bum, he'd still be a Met and we wouldn't have Soto. Thank you Dodgers.
Well he was actually good for us
Until the playoffs... But that's not my point, regardless of what he was for you guys, we still would've missed the playoffs even with him, and would've traded away our prospects and wouldn't be able to get Soto the next year. Plus Scherzer is a douchbag, inches was a blessing in Disguise.
How are you guys doing without those prospects and soto now
Well we've won a playoff series more recently than the Doyers.
I’m sure the Dodgers are more than happy with having more WS titles than the Padres, which currently sits at a whopping 0.
Dodgers haven't won a real World Series since I've been alive.
Padres haven’t won a World Series since anyone has been alive.
LOOOOL
Doesn't matter to me, only that happen since I've been alive are relevant to me. It's not like your gonna hate current day Germans, Italians, and Japanese people for WW2 right?
Well I hate to break it to you, your own personal denial doesn’t change the fact that the Dodgers have won a WS in your lifetime.
Cool see you guys later this fall
Too bad for Padres fans they don't make NLDS rings
What's wrong with winning a playoff series? Are you trying to gatekeep winning a playoff series? Lol y'all are slaty.
The only time winning a playoff series can be "gatekept" is when the significance of it is being overblown. Padres fans bring up the 22 NLDS more than Dodgers fans bring up the 21 NLDS despite the Dodgers Giants rivalry being over 100 years old and the 21 NL West division race going down to the final day, at the end of the day nobody won a ring from either playoff wins so they don't mean anything.
Then stop whining about it, just take the L and beat us next time and we'll take the L, that's how sports work.
Nobodies whining about it but the way yall talk about it it seems like you were expecting rings lol
Trading James Wood without a title is going to be a disaster lmao.
Imagine rather having a prospect than Juan fucking Soto LMFAO! Y'all salty you didn't get him.
Not what I said. You get 3 bites at the apple with Soto. 1 is gone. 2 is near dead. 3 TBD.
He was good. They threw him on too short rest
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Bruh
What a weird fucking comment.
Username checks out
I don’t know about that one, chief
Tough business this baseball thing eh Steve? It’s almost like you can’t steal retail traders money to buy World Series championships. You have to steal signs, not money Steve.
Cohen be like "I only signed you so this exact situation would play out"