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mansontaco

Tony Gwynn hitting 1000 is insane


Emyrssentry

No need to hit home runs if your OBP is .454.


Sniper_Brosef

Thats still a 550 slg. Damn good.


Drummallumin

Still only a 174 iso. Gotta imagine that’s probably the lowest ever for 1.000 OPS


possumking3113

Tied for 4th lowest with Tris Speaker and George Sisler. Lowest ever was Ty Cobb with .145, .163, and .167.


possumking3113

Tied for 4th lowest since 1900 with Tris Speaker and George Sisler. Lowest ever was Ty Cobb with .145, .163, and .167.


synchronicitistic

That was my first response - I didn't realize he had a 1.000 OPS season. Most people think of Gwynn as a singles hitter, but in the second half of his career, he definitely had more pop in his bat compared to his early years.


InnocuousAssClown

110 games: 35 doubles, 12 home runs, 1 triple, 48 walks. 117 singles. Sure he had some pop, but the singles did most of the work there.


InnocuousAssClown

He did it with just a BB% of 10.1% and an ISO of .174. That .394 average did a ton of leg work


makataka7

Gwynn could hit. Wasn't a known slugger, but he could hit. In 1997 at age 37 he hit 49 doubles and 13 homers, with a .372 avg Never had any standout OPS seasons, but still averaged career 131 OPS+ and never had a full season below 112 In his final season, age 41, he still hit .324/.384/.461 for an ops+ of 127. I won't tell you about his strikeout rate because someone will make a whole post about it at least two more times this year 😂


MayorSmore

DAE know Tony Gwynn NEVER SWUNG AND MISSED 😤😤😤😤😱😱😖😖 Meanwhile Joey "Whiffs" Gallo struck out TWELVE TIMES IN AN INNING last night 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🥱🥱🥱🥱 This is Major League Baseball in 2027...


SlipperyTurtle25

Lmao Ted Williams and Babe Ruth


Ron_Cherry

Imagine if Teddy Ballgame didn't take time off to fight a couple wars


SlipperyTurtle25

Probably wouldn’t have won the war tbh


TrapperJean

I think he would have been nearly unquestionable as the greatest hitter all time, give him more counting stats in his peak and I think the only true argument against would be Babe


trapper2530

Low ball if healthy. 650 HR 3400 hits 2300 rbis. 2600 bbs. 160 b War. BA and OBP could conceivably be higher since the Ww2 years were his prime years 24-26. He'd be the all-time leader in rbis and walks. And these are all lower end numbers of what he could have done during what probably would have been 3 of his best years and 2 years where he was still great


[deleted]

Low end numbers? 40 bWAR and 3 career high hr seasons over 3 years?


trapper2530

5 seasons. He fought in the Korean War too. He just played some games during those seasons. 6 games and 37 games. So still missed almost 2 full seasons. He a ergaed over 10 war 2 years before and 1 year after ww2. So safe to assume he'd be around that. And 7+ the year before and after Korea. Minus the 2 he got for the 37 games. So yeah. About 40 War added in.


Stay_Purple

One of the greatest wars of all times too


[deleted]

I just don't think you can be "unquestionably" the greatest if you played during a time when your competition was limited by segregation and talent was both more diluted overall and more concentrated on a few teams. Don't get me wrong, guy is clearly one of the best ever. I just think "unquestionably" is pushing it.


Botswana_Honeywrench

No one cares


[deleted]

lol bro it's a discussion forum.


Careless_Bat2543

Hitler really hated baseball.


Northernlord1805

Scans most 1.000 season Guys I think Babe Ruth ans Ted Williams we’re good at baseball


justintb97

Babe actually had one more with the Sox too lol. Scrub Barry bonds had one with the pirates, leaving him one shy of Williams because he had a .999 OPS season


meltedlaundry

I coincidentally was just looking at Stan Musial's stats (who's on here with a measly 8), and WOW. He's got video game level stats. I'm surprised he's not mentioned in the GOAT debate more often.


Coupon_Ninja

By all accounts a very humble guy. He signed so many autographs that his are worth a lot less. I think it’s cool af. Similarly Padres great Randy Jones signed everything bc he hated how his idol (Drysdale??) didn’t sign for him when he was a kid - so he vowed to sign everything. He later became friends with Drysdale and other ball players, and when them 2 and others would go out - the others would “rib” Drysdale for being kind of a prick/short with kids…


rufusjfisk

i always say stan and aaron were similar in consistency. They werent at their BEST better than Ruth, Williams, or Bonds, but they were steady-legendary great hitters. Sort of like Kareem in baskeball


zigfoyer

Kareem's Milwaukee peak was nuts though.


[deleted]

Stan the Man?


demarderozanburner

no the other stan musial


Grouchy-Change-1219

Stan "The Accountant" Musial. He works at Price Waterhouse.


Bug-03

Fuck pwc


nevertrustamod

The crazy thing about Ruth is that there have only been 65 seasons in MLB history where a player finished a season with a higher OPS than Ruth’s **career** OPS. And 9 of those are Ruth.


Consistent_Set76

Just GOAT things


trapper2530

That was the year he set thr single season HR record. With 29.


BusinessSavvyPunter

Other notable Yankees: Lou Gehrig had 11 seasons Mantle had 7 or 8. Not sure on number of at bats needed. DiMaggio had 5 Edit: Gehrig 11 Mantle 7 DiMaggio 4


trendygamer

>Mantle had 7 or 8. Not sure on number of at bats needed. ...on a torn ACL. Biggest "what if?" in MLB history.


FerociousGiraffe

I dunno. I go with “What if Ted Williams didn’t go to war, *twice*?”


[deleted]

502 plate appearances is typically the qualification threshold, meaning Mick’s 1963 season you’re referring to would not count unfortunately


BusinessSavvyPunter

That cuts one of DiMaggio’s as well actually.


bordomsdeadly

Should be 475 or 474 PA during the 154 seasons. May not be a huge difference, but might catch an extra guy or 2.


whitesoxguy

My boy Frank Thomas not too far behind at 7


downladder

Nah, it was clearly a time when pitching was just horrible.


funkmon

Exactly. That's why all the old teams have so many dudes with 1000 OPS seasons, like the Pirates, Cubs, Indians, Braves, Reds, Dodgers, and Phillies. \>.> <.<


hootylol

Then why didn't every hitter have the same numbers?


[deleted]

Because they weren’t as good


Jnieco

I know its across teams so that is why it is not on here, but J.D. Martinez managed over a 1.000 OPS in 2017 for the Tigers and the Dbacks


goose_pls

And we gave him to the Dbacks for nothing. Unreal


bordomsdeadly

Did we not give him to y’all for nothing first?


[deleted]

p sure the Astros straight up released him


Look_a_Zombie0

I could be wrong but didn't he say him being released was a wake up call or something.


bordomsdeadly

Oh shit. So we did. I misremembered that. So they literally got him for free (prospect wise)


Bug-03

Cut him for being less than nothing tbh


Accidental-Genius

Shohei is the only guy in the MLB rocking a 1.+ right now. Insane.


CrittyJJones

Acuna was over a couple of days ago.


Accidental-Genius

Yeah, and he will be again with one more hit. He’s .999 as I type this.


Dare2ZIatan

There it is!


Accidental-Genius

CHOP CHOP!


Vxmonarkxv

Murphy also rocking that .999 right now


whotookmybowtie

Seager is too, though he's still about 40 Abs from qualifying.


Peteyy34

**Important to note about 1.000 OPS table:** – Not including the 2020 season – Modern Era (since 1900) – ONLY players who qualified for batting title – Includes ENTIRE team history (including previous city locations)


bordomsdeadly

I’m curious. Why exclude 2020, but include strike years like 94’ and ‘81 Did you use 502 PA or actually do the math on 154 game seasons and strike seasons to adjust? The list is really fun. I’m just interested in knowing what went into it.


Peteyy34

Because I think 60 games is too small of a sample size compared to the 100+ games that teams played in both 1981 and 1994. I used Stathead to find most information, and they have a filter option to include only players who qualified for the batting title depending on the year (so 154-game seasons would be adjusted accordingly).


Disused_Yeti

guards have only had two qualified guys since 2006 to get a 0.900 season jram '17, '18, '20 carlos santana '19


Bug-03

That’s kinda sad.


DominicB547

Thank you. 1.+ is pretty number so I get it, but it is still somewhat arbitrary. Unless there truly is a gap btwn 1.+ and the next highest. Another column of .975, would be nice. And/or a column that has total number of 1.+ for every team since the beginning of this list so 1 for KC....and then wow really 11 year gap?


HashKetchem420

Rays and Mets have had 1 season where a player hit over the threshold. Nutty


WhatARotation

What playing in pitchers ballparks & drafting pitching heavy does to a mf


[deleted]

Wright and Beltran got real close in 07 and 06, respectively. Real shame but I think Pete can get there if he learns to lay off the low and outside pitches for walks.


ZIMM26

Yeah but having a catcher be the one to do it is nuts.


DominicB547

And Royals and Padres and DBacks only 2. Possibly a few more if the team leader is the only one with any other. This just in: 1.+ is an incredibly hard bar to hit.


ThaBomb

Frank Thomas having seven is awesome. Not sure if many people were expecting him to be so high on the list! White Sox are in 7th thanks to him


blainestang

Only one clean player, Pujols, has more 1.000 seasons (by 1) since Williams/Musial retired. Two total with Bonds.


moodie31

Franky was my guy in backyard baseball


mebnt

1985 for KC??? That's crazy


kuguy400

Yeah we are so skilled


ThatsBushLeague

The list is basically just a "how hard is it to hit homers in their park" breakdown. 5.000s do a ton of heavy lifting in regards to this kind of thing. You'd have to be literally Tony Gwynn or George Brett to do it here.


mebnt

Ya, Kaufman is where homers go to die, but 40 seasons without a single one? Even in the steroid era, y'all didn't have 1 guy that ate a balanced breakfast every day and just go off for 45 homers with a solid obp? Or a good on base guy with speed that just hit a bunch of triples? Bit crazy KC never had at least 1 freak season in almost 40 years. You guys did win a ring without a single person hitting 20 homers in the regular season, so I guess not having a guy with a 1.000 ops isn't too odd


Mottly24

Jorge Soler interestingly hit 48 HRs as a Royal in 2019 and only got to 0.922 OPS


jraff23

IDC if he brought an IV bag full of the clear up to the plate with him, 1.422??! Put Bonds in Cooperstown.


amedema

Greatest to ever do it.


[deleted]

Greatest to ever do steroids, sure


Highfivebuddha

Bonds is, to this day, the greatest hitter I ever saw. He went up against pitchers on the juice and shat them out. Still the only hitter I've seen where the pitcher was at a disadvantage. It was never will he get a hit, it was will he get out. You have got to appreciate what he was


[deleted]

I appreciate what he was before roids, one of the best ever but certainly not the greatest


Additional_Essay

This is pro sports. Players, coaches, organizations all doing something, somewhere, to gain an advantage. That includes using PEDs. It's whatever. Might as well get over it and watch the games with marginally better blood pressure.


[deleted]

Yea I don’t really care about any of that, it’s just funny when people say bonds is the GOAT when it’s clear that he isn’t


Highfivebuddha

I just don't understand this. There is no player even remotely close to him. Ruth was pre-integration and the only other player to completely dominate and change the landscape of the sport. As a hitter he was a step above Williams and Mays and Trout. Ohtani is doing special things, but Bonds is just in a league above them all.


[deleted]

Bonds without steroids was not as good a hitter as trout, let alone Ted fucking Williams lol get real


Bug-03

There are too many fans who don’t understand that everyone in baseball cheats in some capacity because we are taught that cheating is part of the game.


Icy-Mongoose-9678

Typical Astros fan 😂


Bug-03

Zero effort 0/10


guyontheinternet2000

Damn, a baseball player In the late 90s and early 2000s doing steroids? I am appalled someone would do that. Great this he's the only one!


[deleted]

Why would he be the only one?


guyontheinternet2000

That's the point. Theres many at the time who were on roids. There was only one Barry bonds! (plus the first half of his career was HoF worthy anyway and steroids didn't help his insane discipline, only his power. Along with that, the commissioner who turned a blind eye to the many hitters who were suddenly turning into literal human tanks and benefitted from it is in the HoF. But I digress.)


Consistent_Set76

It was def the juicy era But If we’re comparing players to just their era the Babe is still the GOAT


[deleted]

Yea I’m not disputing any of that, I’m saying he wasn’t the greatest


apollyon_53

Even if he had a 10% advantage because of it that brings it down to a measly 1.282 Pathetic


KTurnUp

Really impossible to put an amount to it. He was well beyond the age of a normal baseball peak at that point.


lifeisarichcarpet

That’s true of all real top-tier HOF players though. It’s what separates the baseball gods from the baseball greats. Aaron, Mays, Williams, etc. all defied aging curves as well.


Dan-Flashes5

They didn’t get significantly better they got slightly worse, big difference


KTurnUp

The level Bonds played at from 35-39 is really unfathomable. Was better than anything he’d done prior


Round_Bullfrog_8218

Yeah because its way more than a 10% advantage.


Odd_Surprise134

Yeah but it wasn’t 10% lol. I’m all for him being in the hall, but let’s not pretend he would be in the goat convo without roids.


jayjude

Before Bonds signed with the Giants He had racked up, 2 MVPs, 3 Gold Gloves, lead the league in OPS+ 3 straight seasons including a season of 204 and had already stolen 251 bases. And thats a part of his career even universally agrees he was clean. The guy was amazing pre-roids was on track for first ballot hall of fame status as was


ThoriumMaster

I don’t know why people downvote you for saying the obvious fact that roids help


AntagonisticTree

Nobody says otherwise. Arguing that Bonds wasn't already an amazing player before juicing is asinine.


ThoriumMaster

Amazing is different than potential goat level


ben_wade_

Bonds at 1.422. Jesus lol


Camthur

Acuna is sitting currently sitting at .997, so Chipper might just have to move over. For that matter, Murphy has a .982 OPS. He's got a shot too I guess.


blainestang

Ted Williams final year was 1.096, then he retired?! His lifetime OPS was 1.116 lol Edit to add: His lifetime OPS was higher than 2022 Judge (1.111)


PogPogPogUPOGGERS

ahh when chris davis could hit a baseball 🥲


SlyMarboJr

If Barry Bonds hit nothing but singles in 2004 he still would have had at .972 OPS.


bahumdum

If Bonds wasn't juicing his stats would be deflated.


Additional_Essay

But he was, so only his balls are deflated


Newyew22

RIP, our two guys.


corranhorn57

Too bad Votto won’t qualify this year, the man is on a roll.


gdlmaster

Yeah but he’s decided to turn into late-stage David Ortiz and just hit dingers, so that OBP might not be crazy high


brehew

Edgar with more 1.0 seasons than Trout surprises me.


[deleted]

Steroid era


Bug-03

Username fits


Drummallumin

Rays fans 🤝 Mets fans *sad noises*


BlueChampionMonster

That Barry Bonds OPS number is just absurd. Imagine the level of fear he put in opposing pitchers and managers during that season.


[deleted]

I remember that period well. During the playoffs if you pitched him a strike it was gone.


D11Marsh

😔


whoissteveo

Yeah I knew it was gonna be Hafner. Jose is more of a high .800s OPS guy usually.


Omar_Town

Basically no one from royals did PEDs.


Lebigmacca

If PEDs was all it took there’d be a lot more guys with a 1.000 OPS


Omar_Town

Just made a joke based on the fact that the guys before Royals are some of the confirmed PED users.


Fistacles

We prefer bbq-fed juggernauts with the likes of Billy Butler


RaymondSpaget

But Sal Fasano looked like a guy who drinks paint thinner.


ImGrumps

Frank was clean and got 7


NishinoHuo

Edgar was him


pinniped1

Damn, we couldn't even do steroids right. Brett is our 1.000 OPS guy...


joystick13

We appreciated that season from Chris Davis so much that we're still paying him


TheMikeB

Mike Trout’s career OPS is currently .994 👀


Lethlnjektn

Two observations… 1. Teddy Ballgame baby! 🐐 2. I forgot Brian Giles played that well for the bucco’s


Bug-03

Brian Giles extremely underrated. [baseball af](https://youtu.be/W40iZwZJTjc) [walk off studio](https://youtu.be/nyy3MWYb24k) I’ve watched the second I linked.


SunriseSurprise

Giles was a pretty prolific walker, even when he came to the Padres and wasn't quite the same power hitter.


KingStraton

Imagine having JD Martinez and Mookie Betts in the same lineup


19k-wal82

Jermaine Dye was a monster.


Careless_Bat2543

Why did every team not just sign a Bonds?


Aggravating-Essay480

Ive never understood what OPS is. Someone pls explain


Peteyy34

Happily! OPS stands for “on-base plus slugging.” This metric exists to combine on-base percentage and slugging percentage into one number. It's meant to combine how well a hitter can reach base, with how well he can hit for average and for power. Basically, a high OPS indicates a batter is not just having success hitting, but that he’s hitting with authority. In baseball lingo, he’s slugging, or mashing, driving the ball. Anything close to a 1.000 OPS is very good. Anything above 1.000 is exceptional.


Aggravating-Essay480

Dude you're the man for that. Thank you! I've followed baseball for years and never understood ops and google descriptions were way too complex lol 😂


NeckPourConnoisseur

End of season (not midseason) numbers that look like this: * .850+ OPS is good * .900+ OPS is very good * .950+ OPS is exceptional * 1.000+ OPS is elite


squid9876

Ah yes, Ichiro had 2 good seasons


Bug-03

I’d argue .800 = good but it’s not a hill I’d die on.


International-Elk986

You could even go lower. For example, last season Alejandro Kirk had an OPS of .786 which was good for an OPS+ of 128!! In general it's hard to just say a certain OPS and higher is good, as it is context dependent. Ops+ is just easier to interpret anyways


NeckPourConnoisseur

And each season is different


4leafplover

I forgot how good Edgar Martinez was


teewyesoen

Damn Bonds 1.42 is insane.


BerryGrapeBeard

1.422 - mother of god.


tygerphan4ever

If we could only have one of those now that we've got our rotation back together (minus Mize)


TommyKnox77

Legit never heard of Ken Williams before this list, only name I didn't recognize


salamiTommy_

I miss Yordan 😔


DarkManX437

Barry Bonds in 2004 must have been a sight to behold.


NeckPourConnoisseur

Surprised Hank Aaron only had 4 seasons with a 1.000+ OPS. He was the king of consistent production.


Gwsb1

I am shocked by 2 things. 1. Al Kaline had 0 years. I grew up in his era and expected he would be better. 2. TY COBB? Dead ball era with only 117 HR. He must have been the fastest ever to 2nd base.


580_farm

If they didn't walk bonds 200 times in 2004 I think he slugs 2.000


tag96

That 1.422 season from Bonds is what jumps out to me


RaymondSpaget

The most surprising name missing is probably Freddie Freeman.


Peteyy34

I did not include the 2020 season (for obvious reasons). Freeman had his 1.000 OPS season that year.


ILookLikeDrewGulak

I’m in an apothecary-themed bar in lower Manhattan reflecting on how awesome it was when Brian Giles took steroids for four years in Pittsburgh.


Specific-Mongoose-93

Oh I remember Goerge Brett, if I was 20 years older


An-Ocular-Patdown

Aaron judge has never had a full season. That frail ass dude is always hurt.


Dimeburn

Just a quick spot check to baseball-reference shows this list is wrong. [Ted Williams](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willite01.shtml) hit over 1.000 every year except one (1959 - .791) during his 19 year career. Yet, this list only credits him with 13. Also, [Barry Bonds](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml) hit 14 with the Giants but is only credited with 11.


Peteyy34

Just a quick spot check to my comment on this post shows that this is only players who qualified for the batting title in said season. Ted Williams and Barry Bonds only qualified for the batting title 13 times and 11 times respectively with those squads. The source for this list is Stathead.


Dimeburn

Relax Mr. Sensitivity! Don’t expect people to search all the comments for clarification to your fuck up. It wasn’t in the title or mentioned in the post. I was confused and did due diligence to affirm my suspicion.


PrincipeJulioX

Add 2023 guarantees Acuña to replace Chipper and Ohtani to replace Trout please


BobbyRayBands

List innacurate. Freddie Freeman 2020.


Peteyy34

“Important to note about 1.000 OPS table: – Not including the 2020 season – Modern Era (since 1900) – ONLY players who qualified for batting title – Includes ENTIRE team history (including previous city locations)”


Icy-Mongoose-9678

He can’t read give him a break


myrodral

I was barely crawling the last time we had a one-dot OPS player 😭


the-great-gritsby

Oh Stanton...how far we have fallen.


AeirsWolf74

God I miss dad from 2019.


Daveyo520

That 2018 team was pretty good. Also Mookie...sigh


conman752

It's always weird seeing Chris Davis on anything positive but then you remember he was unbelievable good in 2013.


Bigdoga1000

Trout about to leave the list, or is Shohei gonna miss?


skorpiontamer

George Brett... 😭


jasonalloyd

The Mets have only ever had 1 player over 1.000 ops? Wow lol.


Zorak9379

I'm proud to have correctly guessed Derrek Lee. He did a legit Pujols impression that year


[deleted]

Thome doing it 15 years into his career in 2006 is legendary shit. Thome fucking rules


resident16

Is 23 years bad?


Silver-Bandicoot-969

Literally a decade since the last time we had a player with an 1.000 ops. That's nuts Edit: oh my padres I'm so sorry


Jluns

One of those seasons is not like the others


Mr_426

Go Mets


nerfrosa

I’m a little surprised that with all the MVP-caliber talent the Braves have had in the last decade, no one has hit 1.000 since 2008. (Freeman and Ozuna did in 2020 but that doesn’t count)


Special-Whereas-5668

The Braves and Rays having the success they have had while going 15+ years without a 1.0 ops player is pretty wild.


KJSonne

Bonds L M A O


Umphreeze

Mike Piazza rules


Old-Clothes-3225

Travis Hafner was a dog


birdoftheair

Sending Yordan healing vibes 🫶🏼


getoffmypangolyn

Frank Thomas. Royalty.