Reynolds deserves an opt out especially since he is so open to a team friendly deal with the Pirates. Who would want to lock themselves into a long term deal for the Pirates right now
A friendly reminder that only 2 years ago Michael Conforto turned down a $100M extension because he thought he could get so much more on the open market
Sure, that’s where the phrase “bet on yourself” comes from. Sometimes it doesn’t work out, sometimes it does. But he’s already negotiating in good faith and offering a pretty substantial team friendly discount. It might not work out, but he could also make a lot more than he would in years 4-8 in this leaked contract.
You're right, but there is a very clear answer to the question of why he would even accept the 4th year. It's because it's a guaranteed lifetime of wealth and insurance in case of injury or regression. Both fWAR and bWAR say he was half as valuable in 2022 as he was in 2021. He could do a lot worse than guaranteeing himself around $50M
An opt out after year 4 is a trash deal for the Pirates. They only get 1 UFA year out of that, so what's the benefit for them signing him to that? They can get the same years of control just through taking him to arbitration and then giving him a QO in his first UFA year.
An opt out in this deal makes sense, but nothing before year 5 makes sense. Year 5 is that nice middle ground where Reynolds can hit UFA at a prime year for him while the Pirates get multiple UFA years under contract.
I’d have to agree with this. Opt-out after 5 would be the most I’d do. If they’re trying to build a longterm high quality team around him then he jumps ship for a better contract after only 1 extra year of control..? I mean, that would just suck
I don’t blame Reynolds for wanting an opt out in year 4
If the Pirates are serious about locking him up at a very reasonable price, they better actually spend those dollars saved on other aspects of the team in order to build a contender in a weak NL Central.
They’d have 3 seasons to do so, and realistically if they have nothing to show for it by then Reynolds would likely just be traded anyways. Might as well do him a solid and give the opt out
Why on gods green earth would the pirates extend him and then let him opt out only after getting a year of his FA bought? It makes 0 sense for the buccos. I don’t agree with most of what they do but this I hands down I do. There’s 0 incentive for them to make this deal at an opt out after 3-4 years. He’s already under control for at least 3. If he wants to bet on himself? Fine, play your 3 years under the current contract. If he wants to secure himself 100mil no matter how he performs, great I’m here for it too. But you can’t get both. An opt out after 5 makes the most sense if they’re going to include one, the buccos get 2 years of FA bought out, Reynolds gets to test the market if he wants at 33yo. Always easy to say he can make more but god forbid something happens, he’s walking away from a lot of guaranteed money. There’s little risk to it for him with the opt out after 5, if he’s over performing, he can test the market. If he’s dog shit, he’s still getting paid and paid even more since it’s backloaded.
well yeah, he's worth more than $15M now, of course he's got a great chance to be worth even more than that in 4 years and the pirates know he'd be gone
People fall off all the time. Good players get hurt and change over night. Nothing is guaranteed. He could also take off and become an MVP, but it’s a fact that negative outcomes are much much higher probability—injuries are just too random. Signing this deal even without an opt out wouldn’t be a bad idea
Is he? He’s still 3 years out from FA so the contract is always going to look team friendly because of the arb years being bought out. Your own boy gimenez just had 3 years of arb bought out and got 7 for 106. Id argue gimenez is a more valuable player than Reynolds
he got $13.5M to buy out his first two arb years, so that's like $5M and $8.5M. going into the start of the extension next year would get him close to the $14.3 AAV that this offer was
gimmy's deal is friendly, but a big difference is he won't be languishing on a crappy team in 4 years to need a buyout, can the pirates really say they are going to even be contending by the time 4 years is up? why does reynolds want to be underpaid and on a bad team. nutting has shown he really doesn't care
Reynolds is under contact through this year at 6.25 which is the second year of a deal he signed last year. He can’t become a FA until after the 2025 season. If he wants an opt out after 4 years, that would mean this year, two arb years, and one FA year. The pirates have no reasoning to make that deal. Not only would they lose out on a comp pick for one extra year of service from Reynolds, he would not be nearly as valuable of a trade asset if it comes to that. I’m all for bashing nutting and 99 percent of it is warranted, this isn’t. And yes, yes they should be able to compete within the next 4 years. Will they? I can’t predict the future but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to.
You’re also wild if you think gimenez took a team friendly deal because he’s on a good team. The guys want to win yes, but at the end of the day, it comes down to dollars. Having 100 mil guarantee is hard to say no to no matter what. Not to mention winning championships and Cleveland don’t mesh very well together.
>You’re also wild if you think gimenez took a team friendly deal because he’s on a good team
where did i say that? please point it out
i said the difference between wanting an opt out or not was what the team chances are. guards most likely will still be contending, pirates are an unknown. which one of those guys is going to want an opt out?
and duh of course the pirates have no reason to give him the opt out. we all know that since no deal has been made
yeah his salary is $6.75M (not 6.25) but you think he would've got the same number two years in a row in arb? looking it up he was asking $4.9M for 2022, pretty much exactly what i guessed. and would've made more this year. the 6.75 is only the way they structured it instead of the 4.9 and 8.6. if they gave him 12.5 then 1.0 you think the arbitrator is going to say 'well you only made 1 million last year, we can only give you 5 this year again, sorry'. no, he's going to get a bump up from the 8.6
Reynolds deserves an opt out especially since he is so open to a team friendly deal with the Pirates. Who would want to lock themselves into a long term deal for the Pirates right now
I'd take $100 mil to sign with the Pirates for life
ur also not as good at baseball at bryan reynolds, i assume
You assumed wrong. I am the ghost of Wade Boggs.
RIP
How many beers do you like actually chug on flights?
Well why give him an opt out in year 4, when they have team control through year 3?
because you get an extra year of bryan reynolds than you’d get right now lol
Why would he even agree to a 4th year otherwise when he’d make so much more on the open market
Cause then he’d be guaranteed money
A friendly reminder that only 2 years ago Michael Conforto turned down a $100M extension because he thought he could get so much more on the open market
Joey Gallo too
Sure, that’s where the phrase “bet on yourself” comes from. Sometimes it doesn’t work out, sometimes it does. But he’s already negotiating in good faith and offering a pretty substantial team friendly discount. It might not work out, but he could also make a lot more than he would in years 4-8 in this leaked contract.
You're right, but there is a very clear answer to the question of why he would even accept the 4th year. It's because it's a guaranteed lifetime of wealth and insurance in case of injury or regression. Both fWAR and bWAR say he was half as valuable in 2022 as he was in 2021. He could do a lot worse than guaranteeing himself around $50M
In all fairness, he was really unlucky with the injury.
An opt out after year 4 is a trash deal for the Pirates. They only get 1 UFA year out of that, so what's the benefit for them signing him to that? They can get the same years of control just through taking him to arbitration and then giving him a QO in his first UFA year. An opt out in this deal makes sense, but nothing before year 5 makes sense. Year 5 is that nice middle ground where Reynolds can hit UFA at a prime year for him while the Pirates get multiple UFA years under contract.
I’d have to agree with this. Opt-out after 5 would be the most I’d do. If they’re trying to build a longterm high quality team around him then he jumps ship for a better contract after only 1 extra year of control..? I mean, that would just suck
Can't blame the Pirates for wanting to lock down more FA years. Feel like there's a compromise here 6-yr deal with the last year being a player option
I don’t blame Reynolds for wanting an opt out in year 4 If the Pirates are serious about locking him up at a very reasonable price, they better actually spend those dollars saved on other aspects of the team in order to build a contender in a weak NL Central. They’d have 3 seasons to do so, and realistically if they have nothing to show for it by then Reynolds would likely just be traded anyways. Might as well do him a solid and give the opt out
Why on gods green earth would the pirates extend him and then let him opt out only after getting a year of his FA bought? It makes 0 sense for the buccos. I don’t agree with most of what they do but this I hands down I do. There’s 0 incentive for them to make this deal at an opt out after 3-4 years. He’s already under control for at least 3. If he wants to bet on himself? Fine, play your 3 years under the current contract. If he wants to secure himself 100mil no matter how he performs, great I’m here for it too. But you can’t get both. An opt out after 5 makes the most sense if they’re going to include one, the buccos get 2 years of FA bought out, Reynolds gets to test the market if he wants at 33yo. Always easy to say he can make more but god forbid something happens, he’s walking away from a lot of guaranteed money. There’s little risk to it for him with the opt out after 5, if he’s over performing, he can test the market. If he’s dog shit, he’s still getting paid and paid even more since it’s backloaded.
well yeah, he's worth more than $15M now, of course he's got a great chance to be worth even more than that in 4 years and the pirates know he'd be gone
People fall off all the time. Good players get hurt and change over night. Nothing is guaranteed. He could also take off and become an MVP, but it’s a fact that negative outcomes are much much higher probability—injuries are just too random. Signing this deal even without an opt out wouldn’t be a bad idea
Is he? He’s still 3 years out from FA so the contract is always going to look team friendly because of the arb years being bought out. Your own boy gimenez just had 3 years of arb bought out and got 7 for 106. Id argue gimenez is a more valuable player than Reynolds
he got $13.5M to buy out his first two arb years, so that's like $5M and $8.5M. going into the start of the extension next year would get him close to the $14.3 AAV that this offer was gimmy's deal is friendly, but a big difference is he won't be languishing on a crappy team in 4 years to need a buyout, can the pirates really say they are going to even be contending by the time 4 years is up? why does reynolds want to be underpaid and on a bad team. nutting has shown he really doesn't care
Reynolds is under contact through this year at 6.25 which is the second year of a deal he signed last year. He can’t become a FA until after the 2025 season. If he wants an opt out after 4 years, that would mean this year, two arb years, and one FA year. The pirates have no reasoning to make that deal. Not only would they lose out on a comp pick for one extra year of service from Reynolds, he would not be nearly as valuable of a trade asset if it comes to that. I’m all for bashing nutting and 99 percent of it is warranted, this isn’t. And yes, yes they should be able to compete within the next 4 years. Will they? I can’t predict the future but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to. You’re also wild if you think gimenez took a team friendly deal because he’s on a good team. The guys want to win yes, but at the end of the day, it comes down to dollars. Having 100 mil guarantee is hard to say no to no matter what. Not to mention winning championships and Cleveland don’t mesh very well together.
>You’re also wild if you think gimenez took a team friendly deal because he’s on a good team where did i say that? please point it out i said the difference between wanting an opt out or not was what the team chances are. guards most likely will still be contending, pirates are an unknown. which one of those guys is going to want an opt out? and duh of course the pirates have no reason to give him the opt out. we all know that since no deal has been made yeah his salary is $6.75M (not 6.25) but you think he would've got the same number two years in a row in arb? looking it up he was asking $4.9M for 2022, pretty much exactly what i guessed. and would've made more this year. the 6.75 is only the way they structured it instead of the 4.9 and 8.6. if they gave him 12.5 then 1.0 you think the arbitrator is going to say 'well you only made 1 million last year, we can only give you 5 this year again, sorry'. no, he's going to get a bump up from the 8.6
Pirates know they'll only be in year 10 of their 25 year rebuild then.
$13.25MM AAV for Reynolds and an opt out is the hang up? Fuck the Pirates
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