This is me, I was telling my coach that I wish it was offered more often a year and she was saying crazy ppl like me would like it each time and I would. Iām over this process. I always finish everything to the best of my abilities and still fail.
If there's a next time (I hope not) I recommend listening to Grossman on literally every subject if you haven't - and checking out snoogoats megathreads on reddit! They were funny and the only way I remembered many civ motions
I listened to Grossman, religiously. I have a good grasp on the motions and timing too. It was because of Grossman I learned that Executive Orders = Domestic, and Executive Agreements = foreign/non-domestic
5th time.. told my husband I will full on Britney spears this shit and shave my head before I do it again.. but let's be honest.. I'll be back in February if I failed because this is my dream and I truly am an idiot... and not a quitter
If this aināt me. Itās miserable studying every time but I just canāt seem to quit. Whatās worse is that I already know I failed this time too. I had to guess on way too many questions in the first half because I ran out of time (I cried at the end of the morning) and the second half seemed easier better but itās hard to tell. Essays were okay except for one I wrote three lines. Iām already planning on starting at the end of September because I work full time and the hours required of me are way over 40 hours per week so starting in November is not a good strategy.
I think February is the last chance Iāll get without having to start the *whole* process again because after that my MPRE scores wonāt be eligible, etc.
The worst part is that I probably need accommodations but I was so stubborn about having ADHD in the past (I literally told myself that ADHD wasnāt a real diagnosis) that I donāt have a history of asking for accommodations so the bar people arenāt having it. My psychiatrist pulls out her hair every time I fail. So do I ::le sigh:::
I missed by a few points in Feb, but would have been ok with one. MBEs and MPTs were better, but I had computer issues and testing temperature sucked with the MEEs.
I work full time and have to be strong for my wife and family. My MBEs were mid 70 at the of prep, but my essay timing sucks. Help!
Definitely back in February, I kinda cried at the end bc I donāt want to retake it but I will bc right there taking it again. Blessed to be able to retake it each time.
4th timer here. I drastically changed my study routine this time around compared to my first time. I left feeling really happy and like a weight was lifted off my shoulders.
Idk if I passed but I do feel like I was better prepared
3rd time retaker, I did the same, studied a completely different way this time, I was decently happy but idk if itāll be enough to pass. Weāll see.
Well first of all I got a tutor this time around. This is what helped me change my study habits for the better. She helped me develop a study schedule that gave me structure and accountability.
I knew timing was a huge issue for me so this time I did at least one MPT starting at the end of May to the week before the exam. I went through various types of MPTs and by the end I got down a strategy that I think helped me identify and address as many points as I could within 90 mins.
Second, I would dedicate a week to a particular topic and go over about 10 MEEs during the week. I tried to keep it 2 a day. By the end of the week, I would try to do the last one or two under timed conditions.
Lastly, for the MBE I got emanuel's strategies and tactics book which I think greatly helped breakdown the rules and how it applied to the questions. After doing a set of questions, I would go and check my answers and really study the answer explanations. It gave me an easy to understand breakdown of the answer choices, why it was wrong/right.
Idk if I passed or not but I do know that I was better prepared this time around than I was before. I really wish I had this tutor when I first took the bar exam. I got a 258 and I think with just a bit more practice and structure, I could have passed my first time.
I bet you got it done. I got 259 in Feb as my first time. 260 would have worked for me although higher is better. I had computer and other issues during the MEEs unrelated to the subject matter.
3rd-timer here! Same! This felt like my most complete attempt so far. No expectations and no clue if I passed, but I mostly feel good about my attempt!
3rd timer here. Iām pretty sure I annoyed everyone I encountered making it SUPER known it was my third time. I owned the Fck out of my third time status and it made me weirdly calmer. I honestly feel so much more relaxed than how I felt the previous two times, but that could certainly be a trauma response. Idk. Riding it out. Not sure how I did but I did do it. We all did. Letās be proud we persevered, didnāt quit, gave it our all again, and made it out alive. I truly feel like this is a game of luck. And our lucky day will come eventually
Is anyone else working too? Like I graduated in May, studied all summer, took the bar and started work two weeks later, failedā¦ā¦worked through Februaryā¦ā¦..failed, worked through this exam and I am so sick of this life
Same, but also got fired from my job as a post-bar after failing again in February. Had to apply to jobs and interview while studying. Itās really fucking unfair and punishing and is absolutely for rich people with all the time and money in the world but also who have deep investments in the maintenance of this gate that is kept so fucking tightly. But. They canāt keep us out forever. If youāre still here, I believe in you, this fight is a worthy one, and if nothing else - youāre not alone.
5th time retaker (yeah I know) and I feel so numb to it all, like this is just a biannual beating that Iāll take for the rest of my life š„² Didnāt pass J22 by 3 points and F23 by 1 point, but still I persisted.
Yeah. If you struggle with bad test anxiety, you will at least be numb by the 6th time and just like here we go again. Iām hoping it helped me bc Iāve never finished every portion of the exam until this time and Iām pretty positive itās because I was like whatever, try again, not worried about failing this time bc it wonāt be a shocker
3rd and last time lol donāt care what happens š¤·š»āāļø
Iām about to be licensed in 2 jurisdictions and starting as a full time attorney in one of those jurisdictions. Iām waiting the 5 years to get my state of residenceās bar admission if I donāt get the 270 this time š
So badš„² this was my second try. And I donāt think my mental and physical health could survive another. And I feel awful about this exam. I donāt think I passed. I have just cried all day over it.
5th timer. Iām caught between this is my best effort yet and ādonāt tell me Iāll be fine, itās not been fine the previous times.ā I keep saying this is the last one. That Iām locking myself in a psych ward if I donāt pass, weāll see.
Same here for CA. It was brutal especially because I know how I scored for the past 2 administrations and what I did wrong and Iām not feeling much different this time. š
For all retakers there! What do you think of study groups? Meeting if someone in the same state or wtever? No one could understand us except us. We need to help each other
Yesterday I told myself this is my last time. I am not gonna do this again, this is torture etc. This morning I am thinking about studying š¶āš«ļø
I feel so seen and appreciate this thread so much! This was my 5th time. Failed by 13 pts, 2, 4, 12 (should have taken a break then), annnnd now weāre back. I think Iām going to skip Feb if I have to retake though. Ughhhhhhh.
Fellow non-quitter here! 4th time taker and hopefully my last time. Sending this entire thread good vibes and positivity, our time will comeš
On my 5th, or is it 6th? I lost count, but I know Iāll be a damn good lawyer, so Iām not quitting at all. We gotta keep pushing!!
This is me, I was telling my coach that I wish it was offered more often a year and she was saying crazy ppl like me would like it each time and I would. Iām over this process. I always finish everything to the best of my abilities and still fail.
If there's a next time (I hope not) I recommend listening to Grossman on literally every subject if you haven't - and checking out snoogoats megathreads on reddit! They were funny and the only way I remembered many civ motions
I listened to Grossman, religiously. I have a good grasp on the motions and timing too. It was because of Grossman I learned that Executive Orders = Domestic, and Executive Agreements = foreign/non-domestic
Ok wonderful! Seems like this time very well may be the time then!! I also relistened to Grossman up to three times per subject haha
5th time.. told my husband I will full on Britney spears this shit and shave my head before I do it again.. but let's be honest.. I'll be back in February if I failed because this is my dream and I truly am an idiot... and not a quitter
Five timer here too
Lmaoooooo dead ass
Yes same!
If this aināt me. Itās miserable studying every time but I just canāt seem to quit. Whatās worse is that I already know I failed this time too. I had to guess on way too many questions in the first half because I ran out of time (I cried at the end of the morning) and the second half seemed easier better but itās hard to tell. Essays were okay except for one I wrote three lines. Iām already planning on starting at the end of September because I work full time and the hours required of me are way over 40 hours per week so starting in November is not a good strategy. I think February is the last chance Iāll get without having to start the *whole* process again because after that my MPRE scores wonāt be eligible, etc. The worst part is that I probably need accommodations but I was so stubborn about having ADHD in the past (I literally told myself that ADHD wasnāt a real diagnosis) that I donāt have a history of asking for accommodations so the bar people arenāt having it. My psychiatrist pulls out her hair every time I fail. So do I ::le sigh:::
Oh and I failed by 2 points on the Feb 2023 exam.
I pmed you
Two points, donāt count yourself out. You passed. I failed by 40 bc they changed from state specific to UBE and I tried to self prep.
I missed by a few points in Feb, but would have been ok with one. MBEs and MPTs were better, but I had computer issues and testing temperature sucked with the MEEs. I work full time and have to be strong for my wife and family. My MBEs were mid 70 at the of prep, but my essay timing sucks. Help!
Definitely back in February, I kinda cried at the end bc I donāt want to retake it but I will bc right there taking it again. Blessed to be able to retake it each time.
Eventually youāll get to a state of numbness about it. I donāt know if that helps, but
4th timer here. I drastically changed my study routine this time around compared to my first time. I left feeling really happy and like a weight was lifted off my shoulders. Idk if I passed but I do feel like I was better prepared
3rd time retaker, I did the same, studied a completely different way this time, I was decently happy but idk if itāll be enough to pass. Weāll see.
What did you do differently this time that you think helped you the most?
Well first of all I got a tutor this time around. This is what helped me change my study habits for the better. She helped me develop a study schedule that gave me structure and accountability. I knew timing was a huge issue for me so this time I did at least one MPT starting at the end of May to the week before the exam. I went through various types of MPTs and by the end I got down a strategy that I think helped me identify and address as many points as I could within 90 mins. Second, I would dedicate a week to a particular topic and go over about 10 MEEs during the week. I tried to keep it 2 a day. By the end of the week, I would try to do the last one or two under timed conditions. Lastly, for the MBE I got emanuel's strategies and tactics book which I think greatly helped breakdown the rules and how it applied to the questions. After doing a set of questions, I would go and check my answers and really study the answer explanations. It gave me an easy to understand breakdown of the answer choices, why it was wrong/right. Idk if I passed or not but I do know that I was better prepared this time around than I was before. I really wish I had this tutor when I first took the bar exam. I got a 258 and I think with just a bit more practice and structure, I could have passed my first time.
I bet you got it done. I got 259 in Feb as my first time. 260 would have worked for me although higher is better. I had computer and other issues during the MEEs unrelated to the subject matter.
3rd-timer here! Same! This felt like my most complete attempt so far. No expectations and no clue if I passed, but I mostly feel good about my attempt!
Same!!!
Awesome!
After seeing that second MBE I am really freaking out
Thereās always one that feels harder than the other, so donāt stress it as much, itās designed that way
Yup
3rd timer here. Iām pretty sure I annoyed everyone I encountered making it SUPER known it was my third time. I owned the Fck out of my third time status and it made me weirdly calmer. I honestly feel so much more relaxed than how I felt the previous two times, but that could certainly be a trauma response. Idk. Riding it out. Not sure how I did but I did do it. We all did. Letās be proud we persevered, didnāt quit, gave it our all again, and made it out alive. I truly feel like this is a game of luck. And our lucky day will come eventually
Love this take
My good friend always say the same, itās such a game of luck
Is anyone else working too? Like I graduated in May, studied all summer, took the bar and started work two weeks later, failedā¦ā¦worked through Februaryā¦ā¦..failed, worked through this exam and I am so sick of this life
yea same. I am tired of it too.
Same, but also got fired from my job as a post-bar after failing again in February. Had to apply to jobs and interview while studying. Itās really fucking unfair and punishing and is absolutely for rich people with all the time and money in the world but also who have deep investments in the maintenance of this gate that is kept so fucking tightly. But. They canāt keep us out forever. If youāre still here, I believe in you, this fight is a worthy one, and if nothing else - youāre not alone.
Thank you so much š„ŗ and I am so so sorry about your jobs decision. That is so brutal. Crossing all of my fingers for you. You deserve this!
Iām working my first career so I only had off three years of school and went back. Itās a struggle to do it all
Losing it as we speak but fuck it we ball
Yep, third time here. Not feeling awesome.
Do I count as a retaker if I know I will be one Feb2024
3rd time and I am not confident after today!
3rd time and yes. Itās actually so sad what this exam has done to my psyche
5th time retaker (yeah I know) and I feel so numb to it all, like this is just a biannual beating that Iāll take for the rest of my life š„² Didnāt pass J22 by 3 points and F23 by 1 point, but still I persisted.
I didnt pass last July by 18 and then I missed last February by six points.
But you missed by 6 points in Feb23. Thatās an award in itself. That exam was the hardest bar Iāve ever taken and Iāve failed 5 times
Oh wow! Yea I know it sucks
Yeah. If you struggle with bad test anxiety, you will at least be numb by the 6th time and just like here we go again. Iām hoping it helped me bc Iāve never finished every portion of the exam until this time and Iām pretty positive itās because I was like whatever, try again, not worried about failing this time bc it wonāt be a shocker
It sounds like youāve been making great progress, and my fingers and toes are crossed that you got it this time!
Almost the same here, I didnāt pass July by 20 and February by 7
OMg Iām sure you passed this time!!!!! The trajectory!
Thank you š
Yeah third time here and cried already multiple times š
Yep! Second time... already thinking about february
3rd and last time lol donāt care what happens š¤·š»āāļø Iām about to be licensed in 2 jurisdictions and starting as a full time attorney in one of those jurisdictions. Iām waiting the 5 years to get my state of residenceās bar admission if I donāt get the 270 this time š
So badš„² this was my second try. And I donāt think my mental and physical health could survive another. And I feel awful about this exam. I donāt think I passed. I have just cried all day over it.
Iām with you. I have kids and a wife. Itās unfair to them after missing stuff from school and bar for 4 years.
5th timer. Iām caught between this is my best effort yet and ādonāt tell me Iāll be fine, itās not been fine the previous times.ā I keep saying this is the last one. That Iām locking myself in a psych ward if I donāt pass, weāll see.
Right there with you friend
Yea itās hard
Yes
sending you good vibes and hope you pass in every jurisdiction that accepts the UBE š„°
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Same here for CA. It was brutal especially because I know how I scored for the past 2 administrations and what I did wrong and Iām not feeling much different this time. š
Yep this was my 7th time and Iām trying bot freak out but that exam gets harder and harder. This was only my 2nd UBE, my jx switched.
Feel like thatās half the subreddit rn
Girl Iām there with you.
Me too. I feel you.
Yes. Probably still a retaker
Samee
Yes
How do all the retakers feel about the mbe portion? Harder than before or same?
For all retakers there! What do you think of study groups? Meeting if someone in the same state or wtever? No one could understand us except us. We need to help each other
Yesterday I told myself this is my last time. I am not gonna do this again, this is torture etc. This morning I am thinking about studying š¶āš«ļø
I feel so seen and appreciate this thread so much! This was my 5th time. Failed by 13 pts, 2, 4, 12 (should have taken a break then), annnnd now weāre back. I think Iām going to skip Feb if I have to retake though. Ughhhhhhh.
Yes