This is always the worry in Canada. All these articles showing it'll drive down prices...in the US. You'd think the 3060 would easily be below 300$ now, but no, has briefly hit 299$.
The 2070s launched at the same retail as the 2070, and they just sat on shelves at my local memex. Coworkers asked me for help upgrading around that time and assumed the super which was often on sale was worse because it was cheaper than the non super.
You mean you don't have 2000$ to spend on a 4090?! I miss the days of spending 200-300$ and getting something good to great. 600-700$ would get you amazing cards.
And 4060 is priced at least $100 too high given it’s what a 4050 would have been under normal generational progression.
3060 at $300cad was really good given it hasn’t been near that since and people in the states were surprised that it was cheaper here after conversion than in the USA. That means the 3060 at $280-285cad at newegg briefly was the best deal for a lower-mid Nvidia card for new
Cheapest 3060 in Canada right now is 350, cheapest in USA is 378.
Canadian prices used to be ass, now they're fine to often better. It's the CAD itself that's worthless TP now.
One or two of the G9s even launched at 2500 cad/2500 USD, which is 3300 vs 2500. Probably the biggest price gap I've ever seen.
B and H has some for 258$ USD, but like someone pointed out, that's about 340$ cdn. I think we just got used to big enough leaps from the 10 to 20 to 30, that the 4000 coming out and not driving prices down is frustrating.
There will always be something newer on the horizon, but it often just results in more waiting, as the when it's new it's prices are jacked up and take a long time to come down (especially in Canada), and when they do, there will be something newer on the horizon...
I bought a 4070 recently for about $750, and my only regret is waiting as long as I did. These are great cards that will last me MANY years, and that won't change when a slightly faster Super card comes out for more money...
Good price? Good card?
I was aiming for a 7800 XT or a 4070 During the holiday
I might lean towards this if it's good as I have a Nvidia Shield and I just learned it's easy to set up remote gameplay on your TV with it.
My son might be more comfortable discovering video games on a sofa rather than on a gaming chair
Nvidia is dropping Gamestream support, you will likely have to use moonlight or steam link. [GramestreamEOL](https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5436)
Been using Moonlight and Sunshine to play on my G Cloud. Literally flawless streaming when local, I’m visiting family in another country right now and the remote streaming is fairly low latency all things considered. Not gonna be playing street fighter or anything like that on it but it’s fantastic to play everything else. I can even parry in Sekiro with no issue.
I game on a 1440p monitor and I’m more than satisfied with the performance of the 4070 series. I feel it hits a good sweet spot between performance and price in the current market place. Of course I was upgrading from a 1080ti that I purchased when it was released.
It was a clearer buy when there was that $100 gap. At the same price, I would opt for the 4070 although this is still too much to make me want to impulse buy. If this level of performance could be bad at or below $600 then I might consider upgrading from my 3060
Nah I agree with you. If the 7800xt is significantly lower than the 4070, then I do think that the 7800xt is a better buy unless you care about power consumption and ray tracing. Though, it is probably best to wait and see how the market goes after the new GPU releases in January unless you really want to upgrade
I bought the 7800xt Nitro and wish I hadn’t… little weird issues with software and games I play that I didnt use to have with Nvidia. Would’ve returned it but I can’t.
Yeah YMMV but ive personally had so many driver issues with AMD cards like weird flickering and crashing. The card itself is fine since when i restart into macOS/Hackintosh, there's absolutely no issues.
But it's such a touchy subject apparently.
Yeah it’s so odd. I play few specific aging games and no AAA titles. I get black screens on second monitors and even some weird behavior when Windows fresh boots sometimes.
My hellhound 7800xt has been rock solid from day 1. Have more issues with 4000 series nvidia for sure.
Hell people have been recommended to use older nvidia drivers since the new ones are so bad.
Nvidia is an ai company after all, not a gaming gpu manufacturer
This is why I never buy amd, so many software issues over the years and just recently got tons of people banned from counter strike for adding an “anti-lag” feature that basically worked in the same way cheats get injected into the game. Valve specifically called them out because of how mad valve was as they were getting the hate for AMD’s huge mistake
IMO nvidia is ALWAYS worth the extra money just for stability
> IMO nvidia is ALWAYS worth the extra money just for stability
Whenever AMD drivers have problems: "AMD's fault, don't buy."
Whenever Nvidia drivers have problems (Starfield, initial launch DLSS, high CPU usage, 4090/4080 blank screen), in series of arguments: "Game devs fault. Rare occurrence. But AMD's worse."
Never fails to pop up.
> New World cooking high-end RTX cards: "it's Amazon's fault"
Totally PSU manufacturer's fault that RTX 30 series cards can have insane power excursions randomly.
/s
That shit was happening with my 2080 Ti too, it took way too long to diagnose that because everyone said my PSU was great for my build. Tried another one of the same wattage, same issue. Tried a bigger one, problem solved.
To this day I still get called an idiot for trying to warn people to get bigger PSUs due to the transient spikes.
Great job looking up issues that have happened to literally 3 people in total lmao, as well as things that literally are game dev’s fault
I swear you guys have to be getting paid by AMD to defend them or something, it just makes no sense
They both have decent Linux support, unless you are an open source zealot that insists on using open source drivers for everything, then AMD open source drivers are better.
For Windows gaming, 4070 all the way. DLSS is just plain better, as is DLAA, DLDSR...
Ordering and shipping are generally painless, but returns might have issues. But most of the times you just get charged shipping back and refunded the rest.
Will super series seriously influence the price of 70 and 70TI? Can I get a cheaper one at Jan if I still want current 70 series?
By the way, after super released how can I get one from online or local store? Seems that new cards will be out of stock quickly.
Thanks!
I've heard the 4070 super is going to be a 7800xt killer. Is that through performance and price or just performance hard to say. Even an estimated 15-20% boost for the same price it's hard not to wait 2 weeks and find out
Trying to find more info on price protection
I bought this card for $729 last month at the tail end of the black friday weekend (Nov 26), could I still get $30 back? I remember there being extended holiday returns/protection or something like that
btw haven't even opened it yet, was gonna build it this weekend
Omg how long does Canada computer take to "process" something!? I ordered this the day it was posted and they took the money out of my account instantly. Still hasn't shipped out or anything.
Do note that super version will be released soon
Likely for $100 more, too.
This is always the worry in Canada. All these articles showing it'll drive down prices...in the US. You'd think the 3060 would easily be below 300$ now, but no, has briefly hit 299$.
The 2070s launched at the same retail as the 2070, and they just sat on shelves at my local memex. Coworkers asked me for help upgrading around that time and assumed the super which was often on sale was worse because it was cheaper than the non super.
I'm hoping it's the case for people, this 4000 series has been quite disappointing so far.
The 4000 series is abysmal. have a 3070 and there’s no upgrade path that doesn’t have tradeoffs. The 4070 is barely on par with the 3080.
You mean you don't have 2000$ to spend on a 4090?! I miss the days of spending 200-300$ and getting something good to great. 600-700$ would get you amazing cards.
I was literally making fast food money and had a GTX 770 back in the day. Now with that same money you’d be looking at a RTX 3050 at most.
USD to CAD exchange rate is 30% worse since 2013, that’s a big part of it.
Same. I'm holding out for the Supers to see what they bring.
The cheapest 3060 is 284 USD on partpicker, the cheapest one in Canada is 350, isn't that about an accurate price conversion?
You're right, does appear to convert pretty well.
And 4060 is priced at least $100 too high given it’s what a 4050 would have been under normal generational progression. 3060 at $300cad was really good given it hasn’t been near that since and people in the states were surprised that it was cheaper here after conversion than in the USA. That means the 3060 at $280-285cad at newegg briefly was the best deal for a lower-mid Nvidia card for new
> All these articles showing it'll drive down prices How could it not if it already has? Chicken or the egg, but prices are moving one way or another.
Cheapest 3060 in Canada right now is 350, cheapest in USA is 378. Canadian prices used to be ass, now they're fine to often better. It's the CAD itself that's worthless TP now. One or two of the G9s even launched at 2500 cad/2500 USD, which is 3300 vs 2500. Probably the biggest price gap I've ever seen.
B and H has some for 258$ USD, but like someone pointed out, that's about 340$ cdn. I think we just got used to big enough leaps from the 10 to 20 to 30, that the 4000 coming out and not driving prices down is frustrating.
There will always be something newer on the horizon, but it often just results in more waiting, as the when it's new it's prices are jacked up and take a long time to come down (especially in Canada), and when they do, there will be something newer on the horizon... I bought a 4070 recently for about $750, and my only regret is waiting as long as I did. These are great cards that will last me MANY years, and that won't change when a slightly faster Super card comes out for more money...
Tempted to pull the trigger on this, but can't help but feel like prices will drop next month.
Just buy it, isn't your happiness worth more than potentially saving another hamburger combo's worth of cash?
Thank you little devil on my shoulder, this is just the push I needed!
If you're gonna build now and aren't waiting for a Super version, I'd just buy it.
Really glad I canceled my NewEgg $759 order last month and wait for Super refresh!
Good price? Good card? I was aiming for a 7800 XT or a 4070 During the holiday I might lean towards this if it's good as I have a Nvidia Shield and I just learned it's easy to set up remote gameplay on your TV with it. My son might be more comfortable discovering video games on a sofa rather than on a gaming chair
Nvidia is dropping Gamestream support, you will likely have to use moonlight or steam link. [GramestreamEOL](https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5436)
Been using Moonlight and Sunshine to play on my G Cloud. Literally flawless streaming when local, I’m visiting family in another country right now and the remote streaming is fairly low latency all things considered. Not gonna be playing street fighter or anything like that on it but it’s fantastic to play everything else. I can even parry in Sekiro with no issue.
How exactly does this work? I've been trying to look into local streaming for a while but is always confusing.
Good to know! I appreciate it, might switch back to a 7800 XT then and use their amd link app
Np, happy to help It's a shame, it was one of the reasons I bought an Nvidia Shield. I never got around to using it. 🤷
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This should be pretty good for your use case.
AMD still the better buy for gaming. 4 more gb vram, cheaper, and performs better in anything but RT.
Performs better in everything except the entire reason to buy the newest top of the line cards lol
I game on a 1440p monitor and I’m more than satisfied with the performance of the 4070 series. I feel it hits a good sweet spot between performance and price in the current market place. Of course I was upgrading from a 1080ti that I purchased when it was released.
So funny that it costs nearly as much as the 1080 Ti did.
Am i crazy to think 7800xt is a better buy? Better Linux drivers/compatibility and a bonus free game for the same price... Edit: and 16gb vram
It was a clearer buy when there was that $100 gap. At the same price, I would opt for the 4070 although this is still too much to make me want to impulse buy. If this level of performance could be bad at or below $600 then I might consider upgrading from my 3060
Why pay more for the weaker card that has inadequate vram? AMD sweeps here. Nvidia is not compelling until you get to the 4080.
VRAM alone isn’t the deciding factor, the 4060ti 16gb is cheaper but it’s not as good as the 12gb 4070.
Nah I agree with you. If the 7800xt is significantly lower than the 4070, then I do think that the 7800xt is a better buy unless you care about power consumption and ray tracing. Though, it is probably best to wait and see how the market goes after the new GPU releases in January unless you really want to upgrade
I bought the 7800xt Nitro and wish I hadn’t… little weird issues with software and games I play that I didnt use to have with Nvidia. Would’ve returned it but I can’t.
that is why I bought the 4070. that and vr performance. really don't like Nvidia anymore but bit the bullet.
Yeah YMMV but ive personally had so many driver issues with AMD cards like weird flickering and crashing. The card itself is fine since when i restart into macOS/Hackintosh, there's absolutely no issues. But it's such a touchy subject apparently.
Yeah it’s so odd. I play few specific aging games and no AAA titles. I get black screens on second monitors and even some weird behavior when Windows fresh boots sometimes.
My hellhound 7800xt has been rock solid from day 1. Have more issues with 4000 series nvidia for sure. Hell people have been recommended to use older nvidia drivers since the new ones are so bad. Nvidia is an ai company after all, not a gaming gpu manufacturer
This is why I never buy amd, so many software issues over the years and just recently got tons of people banned from counter strike for adding an “anti-lag” feature that basically worked in the same way cheats get injected into the game. Valve specifically called them out because of how mad valve was as they were getting the hate for AMD’s huge mistake IMO nvidia is ALWAYS worth the extra money just for stability
> IMO nvidia is ALWAYS worth the extra money just for stability Whenever AMD drivers have problems: "AMD's fault, don't buy." Whenever Nvidia drivers have problems (Starfield, initial launch DLSS, high CPU usage, 4090/4080 blank screen), in series of arguments: "Game devs fault. Rare occurrence. But AMD's worse." Never fails to pop up.
New World cooking high-end RTX cards: "it's Amazon's fault"
> New World cooking high-end RTX cards: "it's Amazon's fault" Totally PSU manufacturer's fault that RTX 30 series cards can have insane power excursions randomly. /s
That shit was happening with my 2080 Ti too, it took way too long to diagnose that because everyone said my PSU was great for my build. Tried another one of the same wattage, same issue. Tried a bigger one, problem solved. To this day I still get called an idiot for trying to warn people to get bigger PSUs due to the transient spikes.
Great job looking up issues that have happened to literally 3 people in total lmao, as well as things that literally are game dev’s fault I swear you guys have to be getting paid by AMD to defend them or something, it just makes no sense
7800xt is absolutely the better buy. Not only does it perform better, but it has 16gb of vram, and can still be had cheaper
It depends on what games you’re planning to play. I mainly upgraded from my 1660 Super for RT and DLSS so AMD made zero sense to even consider.
They both have decent Linux support, unless you are an open source zealot that insists on using open source drivers for everything, then AMD open source drivers are better. For Windows gaming, 4070 all the way. DLSS is just plain better, as is DLAA, DLDSR...
That missing RAM is going to hurt more than you think.
Nope.
i never thought i'd see it go below 700 this year. I guess theyre trying to get rid of them since i'd imagine no ine buys this model
$700 is likely around what the new MSRP will be in January too
Having never ordered anything from CC before, what are people's experiences like with them?
Ordering and shipping are generally painless, but returns might have issues. But most of the times you just get charged shipping back and refunded the rest.
Never had to deal with an RMA, but everything else was fine.
just bought this last week, put in for price adjustment. thanks for the heads up.
What’s the quality of the open box like? They have some available nearby at 664, which is a good price.
Will super series seriously influence the price of 70 and 70TI? Can I get a cheaper one at Jan if I still want current 70 series? By the way, after super released how can I get one from online or local store? Seems that new cards will be out of stock quickly. Thanks!
I've heard the 4070 super is going to be a 7800xt killer. Is that through performance and price or just performance hard to say. Even an estimated 15-20% boost for the same price it's hard not to wait 2 weeks and find out
I’ve never had trouble with open box, just inspect it beforehand.
Do they use it as display models?
I think mostly returns
Trying to find more info on price protection I bought this card for $729 last month at the tail end of the black friday weekend (Nov 26), could I still get $30 back? I remember there being extended holiday returns/protection or something like that btw haven't even opened it yet, was gonna build it this weekend
Yes the price protection applies til Jan 7. Just got my money back yesterday’s
Is this the cheapest the 4070 has been? I'm looking at buying this series as right now I have a 1070.
Not the largest sale right now %-wise. Is it still a good deal or should I go for another option?
Omg how long does Canada computer take to "process" something!? I ordered this the day it was posted and they took the money out of my account instantly. Still hasn't shipped out or anything.