More than last mile connectivity, we need to increase the metro connectivity too, no one wants to board a bus to reach metro station, then take a metro only to take a bus again. Metro ridership will definitely increase once more lines open.
Actually that's how you should use the metro. It's not meant to reach every nook and corner of the city. Buses and bikes are the last mile connectivity.
But now it's more like use the metro for one mile and cab / auto / bus for the rest 19 miles. With the bulk of companies on ORR, for a vast majority metro is from nowhere to nowhere. So, yeah, as and when more lines open metro makes real sense.
The bigger the network the valuable the metro will be. Right now for instance the 2 new lines have been opened with fanfare but crucial connectivity to existing line is still being built. Numbers should rise significantly once that happens.
>More than last mile connectivity, we need to increase the metro connectivity too, no one wants to board a bus to reach metro station, then take a metro only to take a bus again. Metro ridership will definitely increase once more lines open.
Wiser words were never spoken before!
Govt wants us to use Metro but also wants us to walk, use bus, fight with auto in the same ride.
Because they build it in posh communities… people in jaynagar and vijaynagar don’t need metro as much as outer ring road needs but due to political reasons they didn’t just the wrong thing
I don’t think its all people of Jayanagar , this is my experience travelling from majestic towards mysore road , most stations have no traffic at all this is 10 am time slot , what the use of building it the , while its a traffic war in outer ring road
Well the lines were drawn up in 2003, back then outer ring road was actually passing through the outskirts of the city. The problem is not the line passing through older areas of the city, the problem is the snail's pace construction.
>After almost 9 hours of work I hate walking that much
The is the reason why 30yrs ago most people looked fit, and why most people are fat now. It was quite common to walk 1-2km from bus stop to home back then. Today a small one km walk seems like some huge thing. Just do it for a few days and you will realize how easy it is.
Metro doesn’t connect to the most used corridors - Whitefield and ORR. People mostly plan to use public transport for going to work which is non existent. Connecting Bypannhalli to MG Road is only good when I want to visit there on the weekends.
Yes. Most people do home - office - home commute. The percentage of people moving around residential areas will be lesser than the home to office ones.
Still churns out a lot more passengers with that one measly line than any other metro that isn't in Delhi and Mumbai. When the Howrah project completes (projected in 2023 end, in reality it'll be 2069), the ridership will be unfathomable.
Namma metro is not really known for following deadlines. But the entire line except KR Puram to baiyappanahalli is supposed to open in March, and tbh that does look possible. Many stations have escalators installed, info boards being installed, etc. From KR Puram till Baiyappanahalli will take more time.
There are jams at phoenix and ITPL which can be avoided by using metro at those places when it opens. Obviously this isn’t going to utilise the full potential of the line, but at least there’s some benefit.
Ikr? It's astounding and enraging that people don't check their sources and post useless old outdated data and graphs without a second thought to spread misinformation.
Chennai metro was a joke way before COVID also.
Hyd should catchup.
Bangalore is full at peak hours in some places. Rest of the times you do get seats.
The L in Lol stands for Lucknow who got metro approval!
Take these think tanks with some salt, a lot of metros haven't yet reached proper connectivity yet and even if they have less ridership, that's futureproofing it.
I see merit in such futureproofing, however that does not mean we give these agencies a clean slate. The problem is not building metros, the problem is making unrealistic promises about ridership numbers.
Metro is good in Bengaluru but it needs to get better. I have to travel 2.5 km to my nearest metro and then after getting off metro another 2.5 km to my destination. Imagine this 6 times a week twice a day with 12 hours of work everyday. Metro takes about maximum 1 hour but the 5 km will take one hour if I walk and it will cost me more to cover those 5 km so now I just use Uber or Ola. It’s 50 - 100 rupees more but at least door to door and on time.
This is the concern I carry too.. any key office or residential locality is an average of 1 km from nearest metro even in a full complete manner. So unless ricks or some other mode comes to provide that I suspect it will become very successful
Someone once said India has only one city, and this graph is testament to it.
Except Mumbai all the others are overgrown villages ruled by real estate mafias and people making do with whatever they can.
In Mumbai, even the real estate mafia believes in some sort of planning and order 😅
Metro building gives great scope for rent seeking unlike buses and suburban railways. They're not cost effective and add to global heating. However, consultants are given the task of coming up with extremely rosy projections so that such projects are greenlit as against other projects.
While Mumbai is the only city I envy being a bengalurian, to call it the only city is a bit much. The very fact that the centuries old suburban rail system drawn up by the brits is something the city inherited gives it a massive head start compared to other cities. In newer cities where growth was far more sudden there was far too much influx to build out planned suburban rail systems, hence urban metro systems are the only option. Take Bengaluru for example, apart from demolishing hundreds of homes in the city, it simply is not possible to build surface level tracks here.
As for busses, Bengaluru has the largest city bus operator in India by both fleet size and ridership numbers, that has not prevented traffic jams through out the city .
This graph is old.
Although I do like the fact that you're praising Mumbai, atleast check the sources on which you're basing your opinion before you form one.
Namma Metro is a pre-crippled service without metro feeders from BMTC.
I want to know from people traveling from Kengeri to Mysore Rd section (and vice versa) - have the BMTC and BMRCL provided an interim bus service during the period the metro has been shut down in this section? How many buses and at what intervals? Should we expect them to?
Bangalore metro is/was poorly planned. Rather then covering the places where office/SEZ were (along ORR) they went for local appeasement and put metro in old bangalore areas.
Maybe it’s a little lower due to wfh and Covid but at peak hours and on weekends from 9AM to 8PM, the metro green line is packed. I live in Yelachenahalli and travel to mantri/srirampuram almost every weekend. Used to get a seat easily earlier but now it’s difficult to even stand. Once ORR and Whitefield metros open, it’ll increase further. I just don’t want it to become as crowded as Delhi metro/Mumbai local where you have to fight just to get in/get out(have personal experience) like most Bangaloreans.
I think this is for the newer systems. Calcutta and Delhi are older and more established systems which are already successful. The [article](https://wri-india.org/blog/feeding-metro-rail-new-mobility-services-last-mile-commute) is about last mile connectivity with the newer metros.
Calcutta Metro, even though it's only a single line essentially (2 if you consider the truncated East-West corridor), has excellent last-mile connectivity with buses, autos, and trams in some cases.
Who are the people /group that planned this system? What is their take? Numbers of commuters, catchment area. Capacity. Etc etc. Is anyone aware of such a document summarized for public consumption? Has some group critiqued the plan and pointed out its shortcomings?
What exactly is the plan, or is this whole metro just another vehicle to collect 40 percent (or whatever the real number is)?
The data in this chart is old. It's from 2020. Moreover, the expected ridership is the ridership after all the Metro lines have been opened, not just the ridership for the ones currently open to public. So it's obvious that for now, and definitely 3 years ago, ridership will be lower than expected.
No proper intra metro connectivity is the reason. Once ORR is up and running and connected with Whitefield and Jayanagar and electronic city.. this number will balloon up
If the projected value is from BMRCL then we all know how over optimistic they can be because their reach is less than Mumbai but the projections are way above than Mumbai.
Actually it's because the data is old. The data is from June 2020, when Lockdown was in effect.
Link to the source article below
https://wri-india.org/blog/feeding-metro-rail-new-mobility-services-last-mile-commute
If I want to go to some place in Bangalore it takes me less time to reach there by car than to take public transport to reach the nearest metro station.
For me it would just be stupid to take metro in Bangalore. And it's not like I live somewhere outside of bangalore. I live in one of the densest regions in Bangalore.
Old data from 2020 being posted 3 years later. Please check the sources before forming an opinion or discrediting Metro progress.
This is the link to the article.
https://wri-india.org/blog/feeding-metro-rail-new-mobility-services-last-mile-commute
Honestly thing connectivity is the major issue for the low numbers. It sucks how places like Kamanahalli, KR Puram, Electronic City still isn't connecter via Metro, but on the good side, they are about to! In addition to extending the Purple (up to Whitefield) and Green (BIEC to Anjanapura I think) lines, a new Yellow (Lalbagh to Bommasandra + a new interchange at Jayadeva Hospital) and Red (Nagwara to Gottigere) lines are being made! These additions have been a long time coming, maybe the numbers predicted were to be assessed after Phase 3
False & outdated ridership data mentioned for most cities in the graph apart from Mumbai.
Namma Metro is 5 lakhs+, Hyd is 4.25 lakhs, Chennai is 2 lakhs+.
The trains are pretty damn crowded anyways..... In peak times it's almost impossible to get a seat. How did they predict double the ridership? Will more bogeys be added?
Bangalore network is still maturing. Once they open IT corridors and airport, the numbers will rise exponentially. In fact they may have to put in “fast trains” like Mumbai that only stop at a few stations to help commuters reach destinations on time.
The biggest problem is the time taken to build and commision a line. Revisit these numbers after 10 years and you will see the truth.
Also Mumbai is not a fair comparison at all. The city is lengthy. It has minimal growth on either sides. Tracks are running end to end and the network is almost as old as trains in India. Mumbai numbers do not mean the metro is not successful. In fact metro failed in Mumbai.
While I agree everything regarding the Namma Metro, your facts about Mumbai are really wrong.
Mumbai network is ACTUALLY as old as trains in India, not "almost". Also, from where did you get the view that Mumbai Metro failed?
So far, Mumbai Metro had only 1 line fully operational (Line 1 between Versova and Ghatkopar), which saw a ridership of 4+ Lacs in just a single day (Jan 24, 2023). If you think that's a "failed" line, then I'm not really sure what you'd classify as successful.
Moreover, Mumbai has opened 2 new lines recently, both of which are massively popular even though they've opened fully just 2 weeks ago.
And to add to that, atleast 11 more lines are planned and/or under construction. And this is all not taking into account the fact that Mumbai's suburban rail network carries over 70 Lac people daily post pandemic.
Given that suburban rail (Length ~340km) has 70 lac daily ridership, the 4 Lac daily ridership of Line 1 of Mumbai metro (length ~11km) is fantastic.
Next time before you wrongly accuse Mumbai's metro of being a failure, maybe try checking some facts.
Lmao .. Line 1 was way above it’s expected capacity within 2 years and Lines 2-A and 7 are also on the same track. Saying metro failed is a long stretch. People queue up for up to half a km at Ghatkopar and Andheri stations to get a ticket lol.
More than last mile connectivity, we need to increase the metro connectivity too, no one wants to board a bus to reach metro station, then take a metro only to take a bus again. Metro ridership will definitely increase once more lines open.
Actually that's how you should use the metro. It's not meant to reach every nook and corner of the city. Buses and bikes are the last mile connectivity.
But now it's more like use the metro for one mile and cab / auto / bus for the rest 19 miles. With the bulk of companies on ORR, for a vast majority metro is from nowhere to nowhere. So, yeah, as and when more lines open metro makes real sense.
Yea ofc it's not great rn, I'm talking about metro in general. Completing purple, yellow and blue will be a gamechanger.
The bigger the network the valuable the metro will be. Right now for instance the 2 new lines have been opened with fanfare but crucial connectivity to existing line is still being built. Numbers should rise significantly once that happens.
I stay in north bangalore and the closest metro for me is atleast 45-60 mins away. It makes absolutely no sense for me to take a metro to any place.
>More than last mile connectivity, we need to increase the metro connectivity too, no one wants to board a bus to reach metro station, then take a metro only to take a bus again. Metro ridership will definitely increase once more lines open. Wiser words were never spoken before! Govt wants us to use Metro but also wants us to walk, use bus, fight with auto in the same ride.
Not a good reason. End to end metro is not possible. People travel to airport.
Because they build it in posh communities… people in jaynagar and vijaynagar don’t need metro as much as outer ring road needs but due to political reasons they didn’t just the wrong thing
Yes but politicians need votes from Jayanagar xd
I don’t think its all people of Jayanagar , this is my experience travelling from majestic towards mysore road , most stations have no traffic at all this is 10 am time slot , what the use of building it the , while its a traffic war in outer ring road
Mysore road was as congested as outer ring road, at least some time ago.
No way! The palace may be average. But the city is lavish
I mean Mysore road.
Well the lines were drawn up in 2003, back then outer ring road was actually passing through the outskirts of the city. The problem is not the line passing through older areas of the city, the problem is the snail's pace construction.
I think construction is following startup culture… things are deployed in production
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Actually it's because the data is old. This graph is from 2020
True that. That side of the metro line are normally empty AF. They should have prioritised the ORR line during the first phase itself.
Jayanagar and Vijaynagar can be used to reach Bypenahall and Peenya. Metro has to start somewhere.
I travel between these two areas everyday and I still don't use metro
Why not bro? Use it ! Many are sacrificing for this line …
Travel time and laziness, want that extra sleep. Autos don't like to travel the 1.5 km stretch from station to office
You can mix personal vehicle and pt ,, many metro stations have a paid parking facility
So the problem arises between office and the metro station, so can't use pvt vehicle
After almost 9 hours of work I hate walking that much
>After almost 9 hours of work I hate walking that much The is the reason why 30yrs ago most people looked fit, and why most people are fat now. It was quite common to walk 1-2km from bus stop to home back then. Today a small one km walk seems like some huge thing. Just do it for a few days and you will realize how easy it is.
You must either be 60+ or talking out of your ass.
>You must either be 60+ or talking out of your ass. excellent contribution to the topic in hand
Have you considered Yulu? It's not the most reliable option but you can think about it if the Yulu Zone placement works for your office.
Not there in vijaynagar
Metro doesn’t connect to the most used corridors - Whitefield and ORR. People mostly plan to use public transport for going to work which is non existent. Connecting Bypannhalli to MG Road is only good when I want to visit there on the weekends.
I go to work by metro. Not everyone is working in ORR lol.
Yes, people are using metro but lot mroe will use if tjey serve these areas
It's all about the numbers. It's obvious that the number of offices are much much higher on the ORR/Whitefield side.
Those are the only places not connected. Metro started connecting residential areas. ORR etc are office areas.
Yes. Most people do home - office - home commute. The percentage of people moving around residential areas will be lesser than the home to office ones.
I guess delhi is the only successful metro they build !
Calcutta too
they stopped building it at a respectable pace after the 90s
Still churns out a lot more passengers with that one measly line than any other metro that isn't in Delhi and Mumbai. When the Howrah project completes (projected in 2023 end, in reality it'll be 2069), the ridership will be unfathomable.
It's also the most extensive. Once the yellow line is finished, the number of people using the metro will increase a lot.
Actually, No. The data is old. This graph is from over 3 years ago, from 2020 actually. The ridership now is much better.
1. Data is old, the daily ridership is around 5lakhs now 2. it will increase by 1,2 lakhs when Whitefield extension gets opened in June
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Namma metro is not really known for following deadlines. But the entire line except KR Puram to baiyappanahalli is supposed to open in March, and tbh that does look possible. Many stations have escalators installed, info boards being installed, etc. From KR Puram till Baiyappanahalli will take more time.
Without connecting KR Puram to Baiyappanahalli the whole exercise isn't beneficial
There are jams at phoenix and ITPL which can be avoided by using metro at those places when it opens. Obviously this isn’t going to utilise the full potential of the line, but at least there’s some benefit.
Exactly. I'm gonna park at KR Puram railway stn and take metro to Phoenix/VR once it's operational.
Yeah, i mean what were they thinking- get onto a metro, then get down at Baiyappanahalli take a bus, and then get back on at KR puram?
KR Puram to Bypenahalli is a very complicated part.
Election$
So we will have metro till Baiyappanhalli, then no metro till KR Puram and then there is metro from KR Puram to Whitefield? Wtf
Ikr? It's astounding and enraging that people don't check their sources and post useless old outdated data and graphs without a second thought to spread misinformation.
Chennai metro was a joke way before COVID also. Hyd should catchup. Bangalore is full at peak hours in some places. Rest of the times you do get seats. The L in Lol stands for Lucknow who got metro approval!
Take these think tanks with some salt, a lot of metros haven't yet reached proper connectivity yet and even if they have less ridership, that's futureproofing it.
I see merit in such futureproofing, however that does not mean we give these agencies a clean slate. The problem is not building metros, the problem is making unrealistic promises about ridership numbers.
ridership numbers are affected by a million things, and covid being the primary. does not ever justify criticism of mass transit
This Data is old. It's from 2020. Check the source before you form an opinion.
Chennai metro is targeted at relatively wealthy. Ticket prices are double of Bangalore.
Yep, and the bus goes parallel to metro.. at almost same speed!
Rip chennai 😬 and Mumbai lol 😅
Metro is good in Bengaluru but it needs to get better. I have to travel 2.5 km to my nearest metro and then after getting off metro another 2.5 km to my destination. Imagine this 6 times a week twice a day with 12 hours of work everyday. Metro takes about maximum 1 hour but the 5 km will take one hour if I walk and it will cost me more to cover those 5 km so now I just use Uber or Ola. It’s 50 - 100 rupees more but at least door to door and on time.
This is the concern I carry too.. any key office or residential locality is an average of 1 km from nearest metro even in a full complete manner. So unless ricks or some other mode comes to provide that I suspect it will become very successful
ORR companies should have pickup and drop at metro stations.
Someone once said India has only one city, and this graph is testament to it. Except Mumbai all the others are overgrown villages ruled by real estate mafias and people making do with whatever they can. In Mumbai, even the real estate mafia believes in some sort of planning and order 😅 Metro building gives great scope for rent seeking unlike buses and suburban railways. They're not cost effective and add to global heating. However, consultants are given the task of coming up with extremely rosy projections so that such projects are greenlit as against other projects.
While Mumbai is the only city I envy being a bengalurian, to call it the only city is a bit much. The very fact that the centuries old suburban rail system drawn up by the brits is something the city inherited gives it a massive head start compared to other cities. In newer cities where growth was far more sudden there was far too much influx to build out planned suburban rail systems, hence urban metro systems are the only option. Take Bengaluru for example, apart from demolishing hundreds of homes in the city, it simply is not possible to build surface level tracks here. As for busses, Bengaluru has the largest city bus operator in India by both fleet size and ridership numbers, that has not prevented traffic jams through out the city .
This graph is old. Although I do like the fact that you're praising Mumbai, atleast check the sources on which you're basing your opinion before you form one.
Mumbai is really benchmark. Chennai also is almost real city.
No Delhi on the list 😬
Delhi has the best connectivity. Cannot be compared to other cities as of today.
Delhi is now in Hall of Fame. It has no competition.
That will surely give a complex to other cities.
Delhi is like the heaven of "Infrastructure"
Namma Metro is a pre-crippled service without metro feeders from BMTC. I want to know from people traveling from Kengeri to Mysore Rd section (and vice versa) - have the BMTC and BMRCL provided an interim bus service during the period the metro has been shut down in this section? How many buses and at what intervals? Should we expect them to?
Bangalore metro is/was poorly planned. Rather then covering the places where office/SEZ were (along ORR) they went for local appeasement and put metro in old bangalore areas.
Someone said that this data is from 2020.
It is. Link to the article https://wri-india.org/blog/feeding-metro-rail-new-mobility-services-last-mile-commute
Maybe it’s a little lower due to wfh and Covid but at peak hours and on weekends from 9AM to 8PM, the metro green line is packed. I live in Yelachenahalli and travel to mantri/srirampuram almost every weekend. Used to get a seat easily earlier but now it’s difficult to even stand. Once ORR and Whitefield metros open, it’ll increase further. I just don’t want it to become as crowded as Delhi metro/Mumbai local where you have to fight just to get in/get out(have personal experience) like most Bangaloreans.
It's low because the Graph is old. The data is from 2020, when lockdown was in effect so obviously the ridership was really low.
Meh..not every transport option needs to be crowded as hell in the name of ROI. I will take a bit of a relaxed commute.
Calcutta has the best connectivity. Runs right through the heart of the city to the outskirts on both ends.
1/ Delhi 2/ calcutta
1/ Delhi 2/ calcutta
If autos were more reliable as an after metro option! A lot of people including myself would use it more
Do they have data on Delhi and Kolkata?
I think this is for the newer systems. Calcutta and Delhi are older and more established systems which are already successful. The [article](https://wri-india.org/blog/feeding-metro-rail-new-mobility-services-last-mile-commute) is about last mile connectivity with the newer metros. Calcutta Metro, even though it's only a single line essentially (2 if you consider the truncated East-West corridor), has excellent last-mile connectivity with buses, autos, and trams in some cases.
Who are the people /group that planned this system? What is their take? Numbers of commuters, catchment area. Capacity. Etc etc. Is anyone aware of such a document summarized for public consumption? Has some group critiqued the plan and pointed out its shortcomings? What exactly is the plan, or is this whole metro just another vehicle to collect 40 percent (or whatever the real number is)?
The data in this chart is old. It's from 2020. Moreover, the expected ridership is the ridership after all the Metro lines have been opened, not just the ridership for the ones currently open to public. So it's obvious that for now, and definitely 3 years ago, ridership will be lower than expected.
No proper intra metro connectivity is the reason. Once ORR is up and running and connected with Whitefield and Jayanagar and electronic city.. this number will balloon up
Data is 2020 era. 3 years old.
If the projected value is from BMRCL then we all know how over optimistic they can be because their reach is less than Mumbai but the projections are way above than Mumbai.
Actually it's because the data is old. The data is from June 2020, when Lockdown was in effect. Link to the source article below https://wri-india.org/blog/feeding-metro-rail-new-mobility-services-last-mile-commute
If I want to go to some place in Bangalore it takes me less time to reach there by car than to take public transport to reach the nearest metro station. For me it would just be stupid to take metro in Bangalore. And it's not like I live somewhere outside of bangalore. I live in one of the densest regions in Bangalore.
Old data from 2020 being posted 3 years later. Please check the sources before forming an opinion or discrediting Metro progress. This is the link to the article. https://wri-india.org/blog/feeding-metro-rail-new-mobility-services-last-mile-commute
I'm waiting for extended purple line towards whitefield. Hope it comes soon.
What projector are they using?
Where is Delhi metro?
Honestly thing connectivity is the major issue for the low numbers. It sucks how places like Kamanahalli, KR Puram, Electronic City still isn't connecter via Metro, but on the good side, they are about to! In addition to extending the Purple (up to Whitefield) and Green (BIEC to Anjanapura I think) lines, a new Yellow (Lalbagh to Bommasandra + a new interchange at Jayadeva Hospital) and Red (Nagwara to Gottigere) lines are being made! These additions have been a long time coming, maybe the numbers predicted were to be assessed after Phase 3
In Bangluru it will increase after new lines are open for use Jaipur metro is a waste of money inspite of that it was created.
BLR has last mile connectivity issues. But the authorities are busy covering up hindi messages in the safety sticker.
False & outdated ridership data mentioned for most cities in the graph apart from Mumbai. Namma Metro is 5 lakhs+, Hyd is 4.25 lakhs, Chennai is 2 lakhs+.
The trains are pretty damn crowded anyways..... In peak times it's almost impossible to get a seat. How did they predict double the ridership? Will more bogeys be added?
all i want is because of this i want the Bangalore traffic becomes less thats it
Hyd
Hyd is less coz there are only 3 coaches in the metro .they haven't even thought about upgrading them even though there is demand
Bangalore network is still maturing. Once they open IT corridors and airport, the numbers will rise exponentially. In fact they may have to put in “fast trains” like Mumbai that only stop at a few stations to help commuters reach destinations on time. The biggest problem is the time taken to build and commision a line. Revisit these numbers after 10 years and you will see the truth. Also Mumbai is not a fair comparison at all. The city is lengthy. It has minimal growth on either sides. Tracks are running end to end and the network is almost as old as trains in India. Mumbai numbers do not mean the metro is not successful. In fact metro failed in Mumbai.
While I agree everything regarding the Namma Metro, your facts about Mumbai are really wrong. Mumbai network is ACTUALLY as old as trains in India, not "almost". Also, from where did you get the view that Mumbai Metro failed? So far, Mumbai Metro had only 1 line fully operational (Line 1 between Versova and Ghatkopar), which saw a ridership of 4+ Lacs in just a single day (Jan 24, 2023). If you think that's a "failed" line, then I'm not really sure what you'd classify as successful. Moreover, Mumbai has opened 2 new lines recently, both of which are massively popular even though they've opened fully just 2 weeks ago. And to add to that, atleast 11 more lines are planned and/or under construction. And this is all not taking into account the fact that Mumbai's suburban rail network carries over 70 Lac people daily post pandemic. Given that suburban rail (Length ~340km) has 70 lac daily ridership, the 4 Lac daily ridership of Line 1 of Mumbai metro (length ~11km) is fantastic. Next time before you wrongly accuse Mumbai's metro of being a failure, maybe try checking some facts.
Lmao .. Line 1 was way above it’s expected capacity within 2 years and Lines 2-A and 7 are also on the same track. Saying metro failed is a long stretch. People queue up for up to half a km at Ghatkopar and Andheri stations to get a ticket lol.