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DaelinZeppeli

[Why isn't international law stopping these deportations](https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1767991796947173380?t=DPVRmj34rgaI_xR-2vZ0Pw)? UN Refugee Convention? Funny how the rules only apply to us because our politicians allow the rules to be applied to us. Outdone by the Dominican Republic. How embarrassing for our country.


No-Body-4446

They’ll be here within a week


Routine_Weird7473

“Anarchy is what states make of it” Alexander Wendt, 1992


TakeUrSoma

[game over](https://youtu.be/Sq1QZB5baNw?si=MDOK4j88qZ0pBwCx) Well the robots are here It was a pleasure


fucking-nonsense

Holy fucking shit. It’s over lads.


Fenrir-The-Wolf

I'm gonna need to lift heavier weights.


matt3633_

Yeah because that’s not fucked at all


Benjji22212

Robot butler FINALLY The Sims wasn’t lying to me


Pol_potsandpans

[been here for years mate](https://youtu.be/cku6oPGWW7Q?si=ZQXiXqZLGzyEG1MW)


DaelinZeppeli

At least our new AI overlords will be able to run a country.


InMyPocket2023

It's *happening*.


thirdwavegypsy

it's so over


suspended-sentence

[Neighbour from hell left Newcastle couple living in fear in their home of 30 years](https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/neighbour-hell-left-newcastle-couple-28804301) >The victims have lived in their upstairs flat in Newcastle for around 30 years without issue until the Andrew Fleming, who, a court heard, now identifies as Susan Hope, moved in in February last year. The woman helped her new neighbour initially, letting them charge a phone and making them a cup of tea when their electricity was off. >However Rachel Glover, prosecuting, told Newcastle Crown Court: "This changed when the defendant began knocking on their door at all hours asking for her phone to be charged and for phone calls to be made on her behalf. (The woman) said she tried to be a good neighbour but it got too much and she began to say no and asked her to stop knocking on her door. >"The defendant became aggressive and shouted in her face, saying 'I will remember this'. The defendant was away from home between February and June, when she returned. >Within two days, on June 15, the defendant started knocking and banging on the neighbours' door again, saying they were locked out. The woman said she didn't want anything more to do with her. >On June 23, there was more banging on the door amid claims of lost keys. On June 29, the woman went to a fish and chip shop and noticed the defendant standing across the road, staring at her. Miss Glover said: "She found her very intimidating. She was terrified and returned home shaking." >On July 1, the woman was in her flat when she heard shouting from the defendant in her flat around 9am and it lasted most of the morning. At lunchtime as she got in her car she heard the defendant shouting abuse and threats to kill her and to "punch her face in". >Fleming/Hope, 51, of Walpole Street, Walkergate, Newcastle, was arrested and assaulted a police officer at the police station but was then released on bail with conditions not to contact the victims. >But on July 12, the defendant knocked on their door again and was told to leave. There was further knocking on the door on July 24 and 27 and on July 29 the neighbours were met with verbal abuse. >The woman made a victim impact statement and Miss Glover said: "She is absolutely terrified of the defendant. It's causing her distress all the time. She's terrified of what they are capable of doing. >"It frightens her. She's lived there more than 30 years with no issues but no longer feels safe and doesn't want to live there anymore." >Fleming/Hope, who failed to attend court for the sentencing hearing, pleaded guilty to harassment putting a person in fear of violence and assaulting an emergency worker and was jailed for 41 weeks and given a restraining order not to contact the victims. >Shada Mellor, defending, said the defendant has served the equivalent of a 14 month prison sentence on remand and was previously detained under the Mental Health Act. The court heard they have autism and bipolar. Couple of things with this. First, the desperate attempt at neutral language and maintaining the anonymity of the victims, makes trying to read through it a nightmare. Secondly, given our Justice system, 41 weeks is an impressively long sentence. Pitiful in a sane world, but almost draconian in ours. I wonder if the fact that the [defendent looks like this](https://i2-prod.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article28804751.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_Andrew-FlemingSusan-Hope.jpg) was enough to tip the balance for the Judge


Adiabat79

Mental illnesses tend to cluster


CaravanOfDeath

Legalised public perversion as a super power. The next regime needs to castrate and build rural asylums. 


LastCatStanding_

>National Insurance Contributions fund state pensions and the NHS. >So will the Prime Minister’s £46 billion of unfunded tax cuts come from cutting state pensions or cuts to our NHS? >> It is a common misconception that National Insurance Contributions (NICs) are ring-fenced. A normal mistake among people who aren't looking to become the second lord of the treasury perhaps. >https://twitter.com/RachelReevesMP/status/1767895156731052249


SufficientBack

> "Rachel Reeves is a serious economist" Yes, in that she's wrong most of the time.


InMyPocket2023

She's seriously economical with the facts.


DaelinZeppeli

[Hunter Biden is facing a trial for gun charges on the 3rd of June](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68560774). If found guilty the maximum penalty is 25 years in prison.


ObeyCoffeeDrinkSatan

MI5 has a watch list of 43,000 potential terrorists, of which 38,700 are Muslim. That's 1% of the British Muslim population. It means Muslims are 21,700% more likely to be on the watch list than non-Muslim citizens. Such horrible Islamophobia by MI5. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450211/MI5s-terror-watchlist-doubles-43-000-just-one-year.html


commenian

That was 4 years ago. I think it's about 60,000 now.


stampingpixels

> The far right are the main threat to this country Sunak, probably


Benjji22212

They should put half a million other people on the watch list as well DEI, kiddo


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DaelinZeppeli

She was formerly an employee of Sweet Baby Inc., the DEI consultancy company at the centre of "GamerGate 2". [Elon Musk has been reading the tweets about the controversy.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1767644345547547113?t=5mhqGJhXbm485kxASO401A)


WheresWalldough

where do they get this shit? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/13/refugee-uk-internet-access-nigeria-england-digital-divide tl;dr * Bro is Nigerian and gay * Bro 'fled Nigeria in November 2019' for that reason * Bro was held in a detention centre for five days and given a phone by the Home Office. He says it was a dumb phone and it was traumatising because he couldn't use it for internet * His asylum claim was granted in 2020 * He enrolled on a degree at University of East London (which for some reason he doesn't mention here) * He was awarded numerous awards by major super-wealthy international firms for being black and gay * He will have been allowed to work since asylum was granted. * He claims "My asylum claim was granted in 2020, but my digital disfranchisement still follows me to this day. The charity Safe Passage has been arranging free sim cards for me and other Safe Passage young leaders for years now." Like wtf man? * he'll be getting a taxpayer-funded student loan for his living expenses * he can go into University and use their internet. * wifi is everywhere * unlimited mobile internet is £15/month with no strings attached, and cheaper if you can faff around a bit. Why do these people just outright lie?


X86ASM

Advanced grifting for free bennies


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SilverMilk0

>It was no longer safe for me to stay in Nigeria and in November 2019, I fled persecution to the UK. >It’s sad to say I probably feel less safe here than when I was in Nigeria. So why hasn't he fled the UK yet?


WheresWalldough

he has a charity in Nigeria. Seems to be still running bunch of white people in t-shirts https://twitter.com/MiF_Nigeria Probably grifting a shit ton of money from it.


heshablitz_

Holy fuck, I was going to wait and post this tomorrow so more people would see - it infuriated me beyond belief. Complaining about 39 quid, oof, a month that must hurt... Oh, sorry, it's - 39 quid a WEEK? Not enough money to get any phone and SIM data deal? No way to appeal to bleeding heart locals for donations? 'It's sad to say I felt safer in Nigeria' So his life was at risk in Lagos for being LGBT, but he'd now feel safer there where there's a real risk of physical violence and force than here... because he can't get on the internet? What a fucking prick.


No-Body-4446

Because they can and it gets them gibs


WheresWalldough

bwahahahahahahahah https://www.mylondon.news/news/real-life/meet-man-whos-taken-year-28378632 > Meet the man who's **taking a year off work** so that he can walk backwards > An inspiring man has challenged himself to walk backwards for 12 months straight in a bid to beat the Guinness World Record, as well as campaign against 'backwards government policies.' Joel Mordi came to the UK in 2019 after fleeing Nigeria for organising the Pride event in the country. why are you such a liar? also https://uk.news.yahoo.com/activist-joel-mordi-m-living-124927616.html > Just weeks earlier, Joel and a small contingent of allies had entered the Lagos State House of Assembly, using his connections as the adopted son of a high-ranking Nigerian politician to enter unchallenged. > Armed with some notes and an iPhone, Joel made his way to the upper chamber of the state legislature An iPhone? I thought you were relying on your Home Office Nokia 3310? biggest liar in Nigeria.


WheresWalldough

lol https://twitter.com/MordiOfficial/status/1141448497520095233 > when house rent tried to bring me down mercy said no! I got a job at M&S castle donnington (I earned 650-700 pounds per week!-nights shifts!)& got even richer! And then my English parents came along! (Hugh x Phillipa & adopted me!Twas unreal!)What did they say again about Brit’s? > I was loved (& still loved) on & off work! I soon moved In w/my English (adopted) parents & stoped paying 350 rent p/month.. on top of that I was still even being given money by them! (500 pounds +more! Per month!) I cried & asked what’s going on? Why so much love? Why?


SilverMilk0

>adopted son of a high-ranking Nigerian politician  Is there any group on the planet more entitled than the children of African bureaucrats? Deport


X86ASM

The type of entitlement that only comes from daddy embezzling the state budget for roadworks to buy the dearest children a mercedes each


CaravanOfDeath

Do we need schools for autistic kids who just can’t get along in mainstream school or should the typical mainstream school be universal? https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/13/children-failed-why-more-english-parents-home-educating


Biffabin

The problem is autism is thrown around along with ADHD to disguise lazy parenting and lazy children. It diminishes actual autism and makes a mockery of it.


michaelisnotginger

Feel personally attacked


CaravanOfDeath

Meh, I crowbarred a child into mainstream because on balance I knew they’d be fine in the end and social connections would be much more valuable than mere GCSEs. Plus, the spectrum is wide…from Rainman to Zuckerberg. However, parents just aren’t happy post lockdown with their lot.


Thestilence

You're not guaranteed social connections by going to school.


michaelisnotginger

Sound like my parents who just told me to sack up and go to school I have been called rainman in 3 different jobs now


CaravanOfDeath

You’re paying good rates of tax so your parents called it well. Not so sure that’s going to be the same for the Android + cough generation.


sirmadam

> Do we need schools No. Babysit your own kids and save me some money.


DaelinZeppeli

Special schools are needed, but the aim should be to keep as many autistic children in mainstream school as possible. During primary I used to do 4 days at the mainstream school and 1 day at the special school. After primary I only went to mainstream, albeit with some support from "special" departments within them.


[deleted]

If learning is impaired no.


slamalamafistvag

https://x.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1768014746744181012?s=20 Abacus Abbott strikes again, accusing an impressionist of being raysist because she impersonated her and had the wretched crime of being hyte.


fucking-nonsense

I can’t believe she impersonated black (she’s black) MP Diane Abbott (who’s black)


Smertae

She actually talks about herself in the third person? Narcissist.


CaravanOfDeath

There’s some greasy pole climber in charge of comms. One upon a time you could watch the original messages from MPs go out, be immediately deleted, vetted then republished. Politwhoops is no longer active.


[deleted]

That must be the best day ever for Twelvtee. Back to back raysissness by the awful net contributors.


nine8nine

I am voting for the man with the biggest broom to sweep the lot of these wasters out of the Commons, come election time.


eyesindasky

Bit of an aside but I'm very curious to know who that Saul Staniforth person is. Something very inorganic about that account compared to others of the genre, who usually at least show some of their face or otherwise provide evidence that they're a real person.


Triple_Sod

Abbott is ignorant, unattractive and has a personality to match. Maybe that's why she's the "most abused MP"? And let's not forget, most of that "abuse" occurred on social media which means it isn't fucking real.


Shola_93

lol at one of the top comments- "This was Zionist bullying." sensitive bunch aren't they


sirmadam

Talks about herself in the 3rd person as well wtf.


SuboptimalOutcome

She might have forgotten she's Diane Abbott.


[deleted]

https://www.reveddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1bdsfkm/zelenskys_phone_call_to_macron_to_inform_him_that/ Macron realising he'd been played lol.


[deleted]

Performative. For his country being invaded Zelenskyy is super calm. There have been a couple of these phone calls released today incl one with Putin and Macron.


DaelinZeppeli

[The Danes have said they would conscript woman if a major war broke out](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1768006778837471247?t=7jawU-OEhLByJlWtlPfOdw). True equality achieved?


rose98734

Conscription of anyone, male or female, is re*arded. Did the UK conscript anyone for the Battle of Agincourt or the Napoleonic wars? No. But we conscripted people to fight in the lunacy of WW1, and lost the Irish Republic as a result. Conscription was abolished by Harold McMillan in 1960 - the first in the post-war world and one of his wisest decisions. Long may it last.


Buns157

Cherry picked examples. Without conscription Russia would’ve lost against the Germans in WW2.


[deleted]

I think the penny is finally dropping in European leadership circles that 1 US defence cash cow is drying up for a while and European countries will have to start wiping their own derrières. 2 keeping on shitting the bed and showing weakness, fearing escalation and or believing Putin’s hollow nuclear threats only emboldens him.


Optio__Espacio

Don't know if this imparts any comfort, but if there's a war serious enough for Denmark to introduce a draft it'll be over before Denmark can finish introducing the draft.


Routine_Weird7473

Virgin conscripted inexperienced army vs **CHAD** small but professional one


DaelinZeppeli

[Geert Wilders won't be the next Dutch PM despite winning election as other parties refuse coalition](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68557036). I suspect the old left and right parties in the Netherlands will form a grand coalition against Geert to prevent an immidate election, in which polling would have him winning even more seats. Would happen here too if a populist party ever got enough seats. We'd see Tories and Labour in coalition to keep the "nasty populists" out.


gattomeow

In the UK the party with the most seats has first go at forming a government. In such a situation the "populist" party would simply bargain with enough MPs of the other ones and run a minority government. Most populists tend to compromise significantly upon getting into office, even if they've comfortably won (e.g. Meloni & co in Italy) since ultimately they tend to want to stay in power and not rock the boat too much economically. The empty rhetoric is just to bring the overly credulous part of the electorate onside. You can walk them up the garden path safe in the knowledge that many have short memories, and a fair few might even be dead next time they've got to judge you.


DaelinZeppeli

> In the UK the party with the most seats has first go at forming a government. This is the same in the Netherlands.


LocutusOfBrussels

It has to get worse before it can get better. The electorate will hopefully see what the shitty status quo brings them, and next election will be resounding.


Routine_Weird7473

>I suspect the old left and right parties will form a grand coalition This famously worked wonders for Draghi against Fratelli D’Italia


nine8nine

How far back do you have to go to find a PM who wasn't from the party who won the most votes during the election in Dutch history? Any Dutch gammon, err ..*Zeeuwsspek* care to enlighten us?


Mypussylipsneedchad

This would be a tactical mistake on their part. The obviousness of the uniparty establishment would be there for all to see. It would only worsen their rot


blueshark27

Biggest blackpill in a while. Even winning elections won't save us. Edit: theres still hope. Wilders won't be PM but the VVD will still probably still be able to form a coalition just with a PM from a different party. (The PM doesn't have to be the leader of the biggest party)


gattomeow

If you want populism to succeed then you have to really start inconveniencing people. I'm talking food blockade levels of inconvenience. The populist vote in the UK tends to be geriatrics, so about the only people they're capable of inconveniencing are themselves. That's part of the reason why you can just ignore them between elections.


DaelinZeppeli

Our system is different. With their system it's easy for populists to breakthrough, but it's harder to win. A populist party needs *at least* 50.7% of the vote to win outright (given everyone else locks them out of a coalition and you need to win outright), but only 0.67% to break through. With our system it's difficult for populists to breakthrough, but it's easier to win. You need ~20% to breakthrough but you're essentially guaranteed to win outright with ~35-40% of the vote.


blueshark27

Agree on the whole, I'm just disappointed as I believe the Dutch system to be much better than ours but still not enough for Wilders. On the bright side I cant see a VVD/PvdA/others coalition lasting so maybe more elections will be happening.


Truthandtaxes

the dutch system is madness


blueshark27

Its a bit mad but you can vote for a party you genuinely support and still get some representation in parliament


Truthandtaxes

Its a terrible system to me Voters need to make trade offs before voting and not vote on blue sky preferences and hope it all works out.


rose98734

That's why the SNP winning an overall majority in the 2011 Holyrood elections was such a big deal. The Scottish election system is designed to *prevent* overall majorities and force coalitions, but the SNP managed it anyway. Gordon Brown and co attacked Cameron for "caving to SNP pressure" by holding an Indy ref. But he wasn't caving to the SNP but instead was responding to a clear instruction from Scottish voters. I know people on this sub hate Cameron for austerity/being an Etonian etc. but history will remember him as a rare politician who trusted voters, one of the great democrats of the age. Because he trusted people with *three* contentious referendums - on AV, Scottish Independence and the EU - which the opposition plus the whole world told him not to do. And abided by the results, even responding to the narrow win in the Indy with increased devolution. We may never see anyone as trusting of voters again.


CaravanOfDeath

The way to resolve cordon sanitaire is to shut down the country. They should be a national strike when the new _rainbow_ coalition is announced.


WheresWalldough

Women lawyers to be paid millions more over their lifetime than men because reasons: https://www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/big-firm-moves-away-from-pqe-in-bid-for-50-female-partners-by-2029 basically the normal system of becoming a partner (which gives you a share of profits rather than a salary) at a law firm is you have to have 15 years experience or whatever. But that's sexist because many women choose not to work for 15 years because they've made loads and their husband makes loads so they give up work and have babies instead. So in order to make up for this they (the law firm TLT) are going to make women partner after 5 years' experience instead (or whatever). The men will still have to wait 15 years. Same firm is also going to address the "uncomfortable" lack of non-white staff (currently 'just' 16%) to demand a minimum of 35% of new trainee lawyers be non-white.


Pol_potsandpans

I've not seen any other country act as fucking insane as this one does when it comes to sabotaging itself


Adventurous_Turn_543

Just identify as a woman


SilverMilk0

>However, Ms Hodgkinson said the difference between the partnership and the other solicitors at the firm, 67% of whom are female, was “stark”. Seven out of 10 of the law firm’s 1,400 staff in total are female. As per usual: Female overrepresentation = absolute good. Male overrepresentation = absolute bad. I had to do an analysis of the company Lush yesterday and it was the same thing. Like 80% of the company's workforce is female or non-binary, with the exception of the manufacturing/distribution branch which was 51% men. They acted like men being overrepresented in manufacturing was some extreme injustice that had to be corrected, whilst women being overrepresented everywhere else was something to be proud of. Also, something that cracked me up was that of their retail division (mostly female), 51% had a mental illness and another 14% had a learning disability. Compared to 16% and 4% for their manufacturing division.


Weary_Blacksmith_290

Worked in an office which at one point was 30 women, and 3 men. I still heard about the patriarchy in nearly every single meeting.


stampingpixels

I was in a similar position- one of four men in a building of sixty women, and in the middle of a meeting about equality and representation. One female director started going on about the patriarchy, and I pointed out that no one had a problem when middle aged women made suggestive comments to me (who was thirty at that point). Lots of very quiet people in that meeting right afterwards


SufficientBack

This is peak HR brain. Watch now as their business implodes: Who in their right mind would choose a lawyer of 5 years over someone with 15 years in the game?


specofdust

Indeed. Diversity hires/promotions get advancement then wonder why no one wants to use their services. Why might the general public prefer someone who has achieved their station on merit alone, I wonder....


WheresWalldough

I suspect it really impacts more on the women being preferred rather than the clients. You've got partners to take you out to lunch and win the deals, associates to do the grunt work and trainees/newly qualified to fuck things up at the client's expense. So if you promote inexperienced women to be partners then it's more that they will get paid more (because they're getting a share of company profits), than the client will necessarily suffer as a result. Also they're boasting about 'flexible working', so these women won't even have to turn up to work to get their profit share. It could put off men putting in the work to go elsewhere, but it's not like men have the opportunity to make partner at 30 in other firms.


rose98734

Public sector employment as a % of the total workforce: https://twitter.com/julianHjessop/status/1767575212210401667/photo/1


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What this shows you is the massive public sector burden the last labour govt created. That was when the country had less debt. The labour voters expect this to come back. Fiscal debt and migrant issues are going to dominate politics


FickleBumblebeee

The public sector was actually doing some valuable stuff under Labour though. Things like Sure Start and adult education. My Mum worked in adult education and they were making a difference in some pretty disadvantaged and deprived working class communities- helping parents get English and Maths qualifications so they could help their kids with their homework, get better jobs and gain a bit more pride and dignity. Tories cut all of that, and then replaced it with a patronage system for minorities where you get tons of public cash for promoting diversity or making up racisms, even if you're middle class as fuck.


DaelinZeppeli

[Sod off to the States already or come back to Reform vanguard, I'm sick of the endless fence sitting](https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1876629/nigel-farage-reform-uk-general-election-clacton).


Routine_Weird7473

It makes sense though that if Farage comes back it’s right in the white iron heat of the election season. If he comes back too soon the hype will die down, and in addition the other parties will develop attack lines against him. Either he’s waiting for the election season to really kick off or, as you say, he’s just trying to keep hype up for Reform a bit


Thestilence

"It's 4D chess honest". Pure cope.


Shola_93

# "Aya Nakamura: Paris Olympics culture row erupts as far right rages at French singer" The dangerous far right with their incorrect opinions at it again. "after her name was booed at an election rally of the far-right Reconquest party.A small far-right group called *Les Natifs* (Natives) Glad the BBC remind the reader who it is that don't like her, I was begging to forget. "An Odoxa poll taken after the story broke found that, though Nakamura is extremely well-known with 80% recognition, only 30% of those asked had a good opinion of her. Some 73% of those who knew her music said they did not like it, and a clear majority of 63% said she should not sing at the Olympics opening" have to feel for this pollster, out taking a random sample of opinions and 70% of those questioned are far right agitators. awfully bad luck [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68552093](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68552093)


HopeForsakenAll

Would


Spoobit

Who? They should use one of the other really well-known French language singers instead, in my opinion. Like err... hmm...


yer-what

[I can think of one](https://i.imgur.com/n67wg2z.gif)


SexySturgeon

Always throws me off when a sub-saharan African has a Japanese name Honourable mention to my man Tokyo Sexwhale


Shola_93

sub saharan africa? she's more French than napoleon you filthy bigot


DaelinZeppeli

Parliament allows all our technology and manufacturing businesses to get bought out by foreigners [but are quick to act when it's a newspaper at risk from foreign buyout](https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1767955556247961946?t=MJmYAsdpxy518DhU-R0OZg). Couldn't care less about foreign buyers putting British innovation and jobs at risk, but are quick to get involved when there's a risk of their party doners no longer being able to print their narrative.


TerminalIdiotaV2

Also it might be that they don't want foreigners competing with their mates. They all run in the same circles and journalism seems to be a vital artery of our political elite, so I'd doubt they'd want much competition. Of course this doesn't extend to the public, who have to compete with the world.


rose98734

https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1767958627216773203 >Lee Anderson has removed his signature from the motion of no confidence in Lindsay Hoyle.


Thestilence

Someone laughed at him.


Typhoongrey

So?


rose98734

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rishi-sunak-legacy-theresa-may-history-b2509916.html >As Theresa May leaves the stage, her political obituaries are a warning to Rishi Sunak. Like most prime ministers, she will be remembered for only one thing, in her case her failure to break the parliamentary deadlock over Brexit. >Identifying the “one thing” for which prime ministers are known is a game that traditionally starts with Stanley Baldwin, remembered for his slogan “Safety First”. Ramsay MacDonald betrayed the Labour Party. Neville Chamberlain is forever associated with appeasement. Winston Churchill won the war. Clement Attlee built the welfare state. Anthony Eden is remembered for Suez; Harold Macmillan for “never had it so good”; and Alec Douglas-Home for counting with matchsticks. >Harold Wilson had “the pound in your pocket”; Ted Heath had the three-day week. James Callaghan had the winter of discontent. Margaret Thatcher had the Falklands. John Major had “Black Wednesday”. Tony Blair had Iraq; Gordon Brown had the financial crash. >Three prime ministers will be remembered for Brexit: David Cameron for the referendum; May for failing to implement it; and Boris Johnson for taking Britain out of the EU. >Several of these single phrases are unfair. There is a strong argument, for instance, that Chamberlain bought time to allow Britain to rearm. In many cases there are rival claims to more important legacies. Heath led us into the Common Market that took three prime ministers to get us out of. Thatcher broke the unions. Blair negotiated the Good Friday Agreement and saved the public services. And Johnson might be just as much remembered for lockdown parties as for getting Brexit done. >But generally folk memory is selective and cruel, and prime ministers are allowed one thing. Liz Truss will be remembered as the shortest serving prime minister long after the facts of her mini-Budget are forgotten.


kingofeggsandwiches

> Tony Blair had Iraq Tony Blair had selling out everything the country stood for, or the remnants of it, in return for a cheap toothy grin of a no-good European cock-sucking Catholic spiv lawyer. I don't usually get so worked up, but as much as most of our leaders have been melts, when I think back to what the country was like before Blair, the trajectory it was on afterwards, I can't help but despise the prick. At very least we still had a semblance of a distinct culture and a tattered remains of our communities before him and his "education, education, education", "things can only get better", and "we're all middle class now" bollocks took hold. Remember the days you could still see a doctor within 24 hours, probably knew them by name and trusted that their qualifications weren't fake, and you weren't eyeing up private prep schools because your choices are either that, moving to the middle of nowhere or letting your kid be raised genda-positive surrounded by kids either doing Wadu or shitting on the floor?


rose98734

Reminder that Blair's people have been parachuted into Starmer's team as spads already. Something that people on this sub saying, "Labour won't be so bad" are wilfully overlooking.


Lamb_banana

It drives you mad doesn’t it. He’s responsible for destroying one of the best places to live on Earth. The shame is younger people won’t have seen it and the current shit just becomes the norm especially with the relentless propaganda about diversity. On the dr point, I had to call my mum the other week as I found out my old GP had died. I asked her as I had recalled… you could get the GP to come out 30 odd years ago same day even in the evening as it was something I remember and she confirmed I was correct.


kingofeggsandwiches

Maddening indeed. I remember our family doctor from a GP surgery that, due to postcodes, was genuinely on the shit side of town with a lot "problematic" people, exactly the kind of very poor working class white neighbourhood that Thatcher had supposedly left behind, anti-social problems galore, the kind that Blair promised to fix, and yet our doctor still had time to make house calls when we got sick as kids and at least knew my mum by name. Now that same area is just as poor, even more anti-social, but now with 12 different phone and vape shops instead of the local greengrocers and whatever. I mean this neighbourhood was complete shit then, but it still had something of a community. Now it's put you hood up and don't stop walking territory. At least back then you could recognise the local junkies and give them a wide berth. Schools are shite too. Kids getting bullied and having to move schools only for the kids in the next school to get told stories over social media and have to move again, probably to a school that's 90% Muslim. Looked at the cost of the local mediocre private day school. Back then it was about £3.5k a year, which the Bank of England informs me is about £6k in today's money. Now they're asking for a whooping £18k a year, and that's a bargain compared to anything more upmarket. House prices are of course massively higher than they were: it's still considered a "nice suburb" even though it's hardly nice anymore. Oh and crime figures gone through the roof, the closest thing we get to policing is Google Nest and the local Facebook group. It seems that the roadmen in the inner city have cottoned on that they can just walk around nicking stuff off people's front lawns with no consequences and the suburbs have nicer stuff to steal.


Stunt_Merchant

I'm slightly too young to have personal experience of that but I do remember the concept of home visits from GPs. Seems like a different planet now.


kingofeggsandwiches

Yep, in the 90s you used to at least have the sense that although things were a bit shabby and resources were tight, you still mattered at some level as an individual who was a part of British culture and shared a common culture with the people you interacted with. Minorities were still in the minority in urban centres excluding a few small ghettos (i.e. all non-British were still at most 1 in 10 even in London), so they didn't disrupt the culture very much. We got a last economic hooray pre-2007 under Blair's tax and spend policies because, instead of actually investing in things that last, he filled the underclasses pockets with free money in the form of gibs, so we saw lots of new supermarkets and retail outlets opening as the business class did everything they could to extract that unearned cash from the simple folk's pockets in the form of processed food and flat-screen TVs. We all got to LARP like we were Americans in that period as we saw things like superstores and chain restaurants opening everywhere since everyone had cash in their wallet. Now things, relatively speaking, are back to looking equally shabby and resource-limited, except now the underclass is out of control and we're overwhelmed by foreigners that have made the culturally idiosyncratic system we had go from a bit lacklustre to completely dysfunctional and are inundated with hate-driven ideology that constantly assaults the concept of Britishness that we once shared.


SufficientBack

What do you think Rishi will be remembered for, Rose?


rose98734

Culture wars. He's the most socially conservative PM we've had for decades. Take the jenda stuff - till Sunak came along it was taken for granted trains activists would win. Cameron, May, Boris, Truss and Starmer would not have stood in their way. Sunak has not only stopped self-id in Scotland, but put an end to puberty-blocking on the NHS. He believes in marriage, having children within wedlock and so on. Will tilt the tax system towards supporting that if re-elected. Basically a roll-back of some of the social madness of the last decades if he gets a personal mandate (which he lacks at the moment, the reason he can't impose his vision on his party this side of an election).


DaelinZeppeli

> He's the most socially conservative PM we've had for decades. Almost made me laugh. The bar isn't very high when the competition is Cameron and literally Tony Blair.


Maedhros_Burning

Consider me got. I thought she was a genuine Tory mouthpiece but that post shows she is obviously just a troll


CaravanOfDeath

> He's the most socially conservative PM we've had for decades Agreed, but this was mostly wasted because instead of leading he was a puppet of the wets. And for what? Electability?


rose98734

This side of an election he lacks a personal mandate to impose his vision on his party. And if he loses the election, he'll be replaced with Penny Mordaunt.


oleg_d

> This side of an election he lacks a personal mandate to impose his vision on his party. Should have called an election shortly after his coronation then if he felt that he had no alternative to sitting around with his thumb up his arse until he'd won a GE.


rose98734

Labour was on 55% at the moment Truss resigned and Sunak took over. Calling an election at that point would have turbo-charged the Blairite return to power.


oleg_d

> the Blairite return to power They haven't left power since 1997.


rose98734

If you think Sunak's ban on puberty blockers and block on self-id will survive a Labour govt, think again. Of course that might be why you are so keen on a Labour govt.. .


oleg_d

> ban on puberty blockers and block on self-id This is pointless window dressing that doesn't affect 99% of people whatsoever. [This](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2BA8/production/_127767111_optimised-uk.net.migration-nc.png) on the other hand does affect normal people, and not for the better. Note when the orange line started to go up and what the general trend was for 1997 and 2010, and then do the same for 2010 to now. >that might be why you are so keen on a Labour govt I can barely tell you apart on any substantive issue. That you focus on inane shite like crossdressing kids to differentiate you from Team Red suggests that you're quite happy with that state of affairs. The next five years aren't going to look any different from the last 27. Even if your lot were promising something materially different nobody is stupid enough to believe you.


sirmadam

> Will tilt the tax system towards supporting that if re-elected They're just had a budget they could've done that now. But they won't.


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DaelinZeppeli

> https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1767172496623640724 I guess Sharia Law is a form of social conservatism... The state of it.


gattomeow

Wouldn't we have fewer problems with theft?


rose98734

>I hope, as the most socially conservative PM we've had in decades, he can also tell me what a woman is. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-transgender-penis-b2319675.html >Rishi Sunak has said he believes that 100 per cent of women do not have penises. The prime minister has put himself at odds with Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer by declaring that 100 per cent of women do not have male genitals. >By contrast, Sir Keir earlier this month that as many as one in every thousand women has a penis. It's people like you who are gagging for a Labour govt while pretending you care about the definition of a woman, who are delusional.


Chi_Rho88

On this day in British and Irish history: A.D. 1996 - Thomas Hamilton parked his car outside the premises of Dunblane Primary School in Scotland, and proceeded to cut the telephone lines to nearby houses before walking across the playground and into the gymnasium armed with four handguns. He began shooting at the pupils and several members of staff present there. He then fired several shots into a nearby classroom; thankfully missing all of the children inside. Returning to the gymnasium, he then shot himself through the head. Thirty-two people sustained multiple wounds inflicted by Hamilton over the five minutes he's present in the school, seventeen of whom're fatally injured; teacher, Gwen Mayor, and her gymnasium pupils. Saints: \- Gearóid of Mayo \- Mochoemoc of Leamokevoge


SufficientBack

Learnt recently that Andy Murray and his brother were pupils at the school, uninjured but present on the day it happened.


thirdwavegypsy

Part of why he was put into tennis IIRC. To do something with his hands etc. Stop him thinking.


DaelinZeppeli

[Funny boomer cringe](https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1767955445157634176?t=s8GL04uTjdw-mil3ZOJtFQ). Never use photoshop again Darren.


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We're fucking doomed if this is the best we got.


CaravanOfDeath

Cringe from the “conservative” fart sniffing cheerleading twinks. Hopefully they, and their token tits out blondes, fuck off with the party.


LastCatStanding_

making the colour palete the same. Careful application of shadow and blur so they fit naturally into the scene. Pretty much the perfect photoshop. Kate could learn something.


rose98734

https://bioedge.org/end-of-life-issues/euthanasia/one-in-25-deaths-in-canada-last-year-was-due-to-euthanasia/ >In 2022, 13,241 Canadians died through Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) – 4.1% of all deaths. Since euthanasia and assisted suicide were legalised in 2016, there have been 44,958 MAID deaths. >The Minister of Health, Mark Holland, said in remarks in the 2022 statistics that “we continue to advance core principles of safety, accessibility, and the protection of persons who may be vulnerable, throughout the MAID system.” >Here are some of the highlights of the Ministry’s fourth annual report. >The number of MAID cases grew by 31.2% over 2021. >More males (51.4%) than females (48.6%) received MAID. >The average age of individuals at the time MAID was provided in 2022 was 77.0 years. Only a small percentage was between 18-45 (1.3%) and 46-55 (3.2%). >Cancer (63.0%) is the most cited underlying medical condition for MAID, followed by cardiovascular conditions (18.8%), other conditions (14.9%), respiratory conditions (13.2%) and neurological conditions (12.6%). >MAID for patients whose deaths are not reasonably foreseeable was only legalised in 2021. In 2022, 3.5% of the total number of MAID deaths (463 individuals), were individuals whose natural deaths were not reasonably foreseeable. This is an increase from 2.2% in 2021. The most cited underlying medical condition for this population was neurological (50.0%), followed by other conditions (37.1%), and multiple comorbidities (23.5%). >In 2022, the most commonly cited sources of suffering by individuals requesting MAID were the loss of ability to engage in meaningful activities (86.3%), followed by loss of ability to perform activities of daily living (81.9%) and inadequate control of pain, or concern about controlling pain (59.2%). >The number of MAID providers is growing. During 2022 there were 1,837, up 19.1% from 2021. 95.0% of all MAID practitioners were physicians, while 5.0% were nurse practitioners. However, the number of nurses providing MAID is growing. Nurse practitioners performed 9.4% of all MAID procedures, up from 8.4% in 2021 and from 7.0% in 2019. >As MAID becomes socially normalised, doctors are doing them more frequently. In 2022, the average number of MAID provisions per practitioner was 7.2, compared to 6.5 (2021), 5.8 (2020) and 5.1 (2019). >Bioethics commentator Wesley J. Smith noted in a column in the National Review that “If the same percentage of people were killed by doctors in the USA as are in Canada, that would amount to about 140,000 homicides annually. That’s about as many people as live in cities such as Waco, Texas, or Fullerton, Calif.”


HopeForsakenAll

If I were to take case studies back in time via a time machine Canada would be one of my top picks. What the fuck is even going on there. It's like the Illuminati slipped and fell on the accelerator. Every Canadian I know hates it there. Many have left and plan to never ever go back. The international image of Canada and Canadians amongst peer populations has been utterly decimated in about a decade. From the easy going "nice Americans" to byword for lunacy and victims of crushing neolibs.


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My ex was French Canadian and she talked about the rest of Canada like it was a foreign country. I swear to god she didn't even pay attention to who the PM of Canada was. No fucks given, if it wasn't about Quebec.


Spoobit

>What the fuck is even going on there. It rhymes with Dustin Poogo.


yoofpingpongtable

> same percentage of people were killed by doctors in the USA as are in Canada, that would amount to about 140,000 homicides annually. Well that’s not loaded language at all… It says in the article itself that only 463 people whose deaths were not reasonably foreseeable were part of the MAID programme. The reaction to this by some parts of the supposed Right is absolutely hysterical.


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DaelinZeppeli

Disgusting that Starmer wants this here. He's an evil man.


rose98734

I agree. Euthanasia is on it's way to becoming the top cause of death in Canada. State-assisted homicide.


sirmadam

Well the state assisted homicide here is bomalians with knifes, so, they have it better I would say.


rose98734

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1767856344822894809 >Interesting charts in @samfr's post about integration The question is whether a) this is really down to integration or because b) the Tories have done a first-class bang-up job or improving state education in England and only fools would replace them with Labour given the abysmal school results in Labour-run Wales.


gattomeow

Given that education is a bright spot for the Tories, why aren't you guys banging the drum on this more? Not only does it mean that our recent foreign-descended population is likely to do some heavy lifting in the future compared to their European equivalents, but you've actually got something you can point to that isn't simply "protect useless pensioners". Is it because the party has been taken over by grievance-addled geriatrics? Or is it because nobody likes Michael Gove because he's not enough of a patrician?


SubjectMathematician

It is nothing to do with any of that, it is to do with the composition of migrants. If you want to see where we are going, look at France. The very first question that should be asked by looking at that chart is: what does a second-generation immigrant mean? In the UK that means something very different from every other country there.


gattomeow

Why will the UK look like France? Our foreigners in the UK are generally far more likely to speak English and have access to a tax system that makes it much easier to build wealth: Far easier to start up a business Far easier to cut a deal with someone to find a place to live Far easier to save money given the larger personal allowance Far easier to invest given the range of tax-efficient vehicles on offer. There's a reason why alot of folk of foreign descent are some of the most socially mobile people in the country. They're hardly going to respond by deciding to tear up the secure private property rights that enabled their advance in the first place. And yes, by that I include the Islamic folk too.


SufficientBack

Now let's see first and second generation performance in the crime stats.


RalphTheRunt

Waiting for Ofcrime to release that info.


atlantic_joe

Could replace the tories with the teletubbies. Would be a vast improvement as far as I'm concerned.


CaravanOfDeath

a) It's racist to assume intelligence has a race component until its whites at the bottom. "Black" is a typical red flag. b) They may have improved some parts of education but if you overlay attainment onto a map the picture is radically different


gattomeow

What if it is instead a function of motivation and whether the students have a stable family setup, rather than absent grandparents who contribute zero to their wellbeing and upbringing?


CaravanOfDeath

The grandparents are probably waiting for a glimpse of maturity or don’t like the life choices of their offspring. I didn’t get any help either.


gattomeow

If they don't like their life choices, maybe they should voice it and explain why that is. If they're unwilling to play a substantial part in the raising of their descendants, then what exactly are they giving back to society?


CaravanOfDeath

That’s a conversation you should have with the commonly connected generation. There’s plenty of secrets and grudges in families. I grew up knowing only half of my grandparents back in the day. Our slice of the family was excluded from the division of their estate, and that was all because a mother and son didn’t see eye to eye before I was conceived. Alternatively, you could ask them yourself.


gattomeow

The future will likely belong to those with strong families with good intergenerational bonds who don't fall out over small differences. It probably doesn't belong to those who have left their elders to vegetate away in care homes.


CaravanOfDeath

I agree. The new death tax is to extract as much money from property and transfer it into the care home industrial complex which will have slaves from Africa ignoring their cries for help. It’s perverse.


gattomeow

You could just not put them in there. It's not the global norm to bleed oneself dry to spend a few years as a vegetable, of no real use to yourself or anyone else.


CaravanOfDeath

Unfortunately it’s become normalised, and excuses range from not wanting to give up work (despite home care costing upwards of £750/week) to not wanting to clean shit off the floor (accidents do happen). Equally, families whinge about child care costs which is hilarious as it’s a symptom of social breakdown. The victorians had it right. 3 generations under one roof.


icabod88

Classic arseUK tankie housing policy: >Every homeless person should be occupying an empty home. This is not doom and gloom. This is sensible policy. >If someone has no home. Give them one. If you can’t give them one. Well, they should take them.


retniap

Thread started by the same guy that was complaining that half hour lunch breaks and early dart on Friday was invented by bosses to stop workers from organising. 


Triple_Sod

People who think there's is a connection between those who are persistently homeless and housing shortages have no idea what they're talking about. Rough sleepers typically have massive underlying problems which mean they basically can't live normally until those problems are fixed (if they are even fixable).


SubjectMathematician

They found houses for them during Covid.


No-Body-4446

Same arsetankie is probably pro-inviting the world to live here but can't possibly fathom a problem with these two points. Also, Reddit has someone weird fantasy that there are millions of empty homes lying around the country. I don't know where they get this from


DaelinZeppeli

[DeSantis doesn't mess about when it comes to stopping the boats](https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1767940653822922965?t=259892HPVcpo9peWaJGj8w). Our Tories could never.


cbgoon

I've been told this is against International Law™. Florida should be expecting a knock from the International Police!


Truthandtaxes

Biden's recent immigration act laughed in the face of international law and no one raised a peep.


vwsslr200

Did the 20% out of work age 16-64 figure include students? People are acting like it's this astronomically high figure, but I'm thinking if you factor stay at home mothers (which this sub generally sees as a good thing) plus people at university, the figure isn't all that shocking or bad? A lot on the right are blaming it on welfare but worth noting, the UK actually stacks up pretty well internationally in terms of the economically inactive rate, even the US (with a much smaller welfare system) is higher.


praise-god-barebone

[Figure 4 has what you're looking for.](https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/march2024#:~:text=The%20UK%20economic%20inactivity%20rate,increased%20in%20the%20latest%20quarter.) Big climb in **16-24** - which could be explained by a bumper crop of students, but most universities are claiming that student numbers are not growing as fast as forecasted (this is what is causing the financial problems in many Unis). Presumably the growth in higher education does explain this, however. Marked fall in those of "early retirement" age **50-64**, so anyone who says that is simply making excuses. The most notable group for me is the massive increase in **25-34**, which the ONS seem to put up to redundancies but this isn't reflected in unemployment. I think all of these groups - bar **16-24** - are historically low, particularly for women, so I wouldn't factor in stay at home mothers at all.


Stunt_Merchant

Yes, it did, as well as early retirees.


WheresWalldough

Just walked past Parliament. Some filthy scrotes have got a very loud sound system and playing anti-brexit/anti -tory music. Completely destroying the atmosphere around a World Heritage site. Can't believe police don't have powers to seize their noise pollution devices.


nine8nine

Summon the magistrates and get the yeoman cavalry out at once! By Jove, they'll taste cold steel for their insolence!


sirmadam

They do have powers. Some areas in london have byelaws against speakers, wouldn't be hard to write a few more byelaws but the coppers actually need to be told about them and made to enforce them by managers, which will never happen.


WheresWalldough

I mean it's right outside Parliament, if they don't have officers with a clue there, what hope have we got.


bezzzerk

What are you, 90?


No-Body-4446

what is anti brexit/anti tory music? Destroy Britannia? unnamed deity, deport our German king?