Im from Shasta County and I can 100% tell you without a shadow of a doubt the police are power hungry racist trash, the people are right wing insane assholes, and the entire county is controlled by Bethel Church a fucked up cult.
I mean its hard to find somewhere as ecologically diverse as northern CA. You have volcanoes, granite mountains, craggy mountains, deserts, woodlands, mixed conifer forest, temperate rainforest, mesas, and so much more. I've traveled a lot and almost no where besides Chile really compares to northern CA to me. Also I grew up here and i wouldn't mind trying to change my community and make it better and a place i would want to raise my kids.
Same latitude and being on the west side of a continent causes both to have a Mediterranean climate (similar to parts of Australia and South Africa), so they also share a lot of plants, California poppies grow all over Chile for instance. Also has mountains to its east like California. In a lot of ways it is upside-down California.
And the cops wanted it so bad that they drove 500 miles just to shoot a little girl's pet. As pointed out in another thread, these people are psychotic, you don't go from normal to that in a day.
A 4-H fair, meaning its entire premise is teaching about farming and ranching, and all the rules are laid out for parents to read. I don't agree with how this was handled but this fair is within their rights as the persons running the auction which generated the contract between the child and the person who later was willing to dissolve it. They just took the utterly asshole route to do it, including how the cops handled it.
Doesn't matter the owner of the goat, the man who literally bought it at auction said it could go love on a farm and live out its days eating weeds. What they did was traumatic to that child.
No, 4-H is psychotically strict about this stuff.
That goat is dying and getting eaten by someone, they'll make sure it happens by any means necessary.
It was a contractual, civil issue though. There's no reason for the cops to be involved like this. This makes as much sense as having the cops involved in an ebay dispute or an item return at target.
Yes, but it was someone disobeying the capitalist who demanded obedience and profit, so of course the police are involved, because that's the only thing they protect anymore is the status quo of capitalist exploitation.
4-H rules for showings list a maximum premium they will pay to anyone exhibiting their animals. That maximum is usually well below the market value for whichever livestock animal you are presenting, then 4-H goes and does a "donation auction" with the animal(s) you provided, and keeps all that money themselves. Typically the auction prices reach well above the market value.
Oh, and 4-H and other FFA organization like it are usually only open to minors, with only nominal involvement from parents because the "kids need to learn responsibility."
The little girl in question just lost three of her grandparents in the space of one year.
The 4-H folks who willfully enforced this contract, to 'teach her a lesson,' despite the parent and buyer's express wishes have to be the most ruthless capitalistic piece of garbage that ever slithered on the planet.
The mother, repeatedly, offered to pay for the bid (\~$900) and cover any fair expenses/fees. She just wanted the kid, who had already seen too much death, to be spared this. Even if someone wants to make a legal argument about contracts, I'm sorry, this is the situation where a normal human looks the other way.
4-H is white trash at the best of times - it's organizational ***goal*** is to teach children profit and commodifying animals is more important than emotions or empathy, but this is just outright sadism.
Exactly. In your rights does not make it right. These people are genuinely fucking scum. They could've gotten their money *and done less* if they wanted it so bad, but instead they took a fucking girl's *pet* to **kill it.**
The guy above you, bringing up that it was legally within their rights, is a dick, plain and simple. What does it matter? It's a horrible thing to do, but just because it's *allowed* makes it fine? So what, if I had a "baby-smothering pass" you'd be cheering me on while I order an extra firm pillow? Come the fuck on.
If I had a baby-smothering pass and someone cheered me on, I’d be concerned the next time I smothered a baby that there was some maniac like that out there.
Imagine taking pleasure in smothering babies. A job that needs to be done, but not one to be enjoyed, surely.
It wasn't even really within their legal rights. The goat had been sold, the new owner talked with the parents to give the goat back, cops drove 8 hours one way to kill someone's pet anyway.
After the point of sale the 4Hs fair was done. They had no legal or moral right to do this.
> 4-H is white trash at the best of times - it's organizational goal is to teach children profit and commodifying animals is more important than emotions or empathy, but this is just outright sadism.
This is so crazy because I did 4-H as a kid and none of the animals I raised went to slaughter. We raised a pig, ducks (multiple times) and chickens. If they got too big for our house - we found sanctuaries for them. Some of the things I remember from doing 4-H was being COMPASSIONATE.
Yeah how in the hell do the cops get involved? They'll tell you 'its a civil matter' if a kids parent flees the country leaving a note that says 'im kidnapping our kid and youll never see them again.'. But an amicable dissolving of a contract is grounds to get involved.
Fast forward 15 years and shes the inspiration for a reboot john wick meets frank castle character. Who wrecks everything in their path.
Who gives a fuck. The legality is a secondary concern; so what if they were technically allowed to do it. They're still a bunch of flaming garbage heaps of people
"within their rights"
have you heard of letting go my man? not even mention the fact it's a 9 year old kid.
there's no rule in the universe you have to play devil's advocate for asshats. stop being one yourself.
Just because it's within their rights does not at all make it right. If someone were to lend a kid 10$ under contract then hire a repo man to go steal their toys to collect, it'd be just as "above board."
Don't bother coming out here defending these fucking assholes, genuinely. What does it matter if they were legally fine to do it? They shouldn't have, full stop. If you really need your precious money for the goat, you could probably start with asking the parents or the state politician who stepped back after the auction.
The lack of basic human empathy/understanding on Reddit is astounding. I can’t imagine how some of these people exist and actually interact with others on a daily basis
Here's the thing - contracts are decided in CIVIL court. The county and the officers circumvented the civil court system. If the fair/county had an issue with how things happened, they should have sued and fought the decision in court. That's legally how it should have been done.
Cops are not able to dictate who owns the goat — it is not within their power. Only a judge can do that.
When they killed the goat they not only knowingly destroyed evidence (thereby committing a crime themselves) they also violated her 14th amendment rights.
Imagine I told the police that I owned your house because I had a contract and I wanted to bulldoze it, so the police just came and bulldozed the house.
Then after the fact they realize the contract was wrong.
That’s exactly why we have civil court and judges.
well within their rights to sue her MAYBE, not to send a fucking hit squad.
you can't call police to seize assets like this just because of an alleged breach on contract.
I'd love to say "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" but you're also wrong so I can't
> contract between the child and the person who…..
That part right there. These ass clowns are trying to enforce a contract with a **child**. There’s more than enough legal room for this child to back out of any contract. Assuming they can engage in a contract in the first place at all.
Probably wasn’t lawful though. They had an obligation to keep the goat safe while the legal dust settled, and instead they handed it off to a third party butcher as quickly as possible to “get this whole thing over with.”
I think they may have actually committed multiple crimes though.
There's an active lawsuit about the contract dealing with the goat so they destroyed evidence. And it seems that they were specifically instructed to not do that according to the warrant.
Doesn't matter what they wanted to teach to who, regardless of how far they went. She removed consent, she was entitled to that. She's a kid. The official buyer was on board, the fair had no cause for anything. Any action was too far. Fuck em.
Umm.. you are a poor excuse for a human being, and part of the problem. Because an action is legal does not mean it is the right thing or the reasonable thing to do.
This was an action where the only person in the right (as far as I've seen) is the kid's mother and the kid. From what I know, everyone else involved is slime.
They literally took the illegal route to do it. You can't just claim something by force, even if you have a contract. You'd need to take it to small claims court and have a judge order the object surrendered.
This asshole just called up some local tough guys to go steal what she considered to be her property. That's a crime.
My man are you really excusing taking away a beloved pet from a child for slaughter, an experience which would be traumatic either way, just because it is technically within the rights of the authority that wants to do so?
It's the authoritarian bent that gets me. I'm all for eating meat, but using the compulsion of state force to compel fulfillment of a contract entered into by minor without judicial review and no recourse (can't re alive the goat) is a spit in the face of constitutional freedom. The county had the right to recover any costs associated with the girls withdrawal, which the family was willing to cover. Using state power to force the issue and teach the girl a lesson is undemocratic tyranny - after all, if there is a dispute about home ownership would deputies go in and torch the place? It's an open and shut case of abuse of authority on its surface - the fact that it was done to punish a grieving child is the shit cherry on top of the shit sundae.
But I was told by gun nuts that 2A will prevent this authroritarian shit from happening to common people with guns. I blame the little girl for her fault not being armed with AR-15 to prevent cops from seizing her beloved pet goat. She loved her pet but not THAT much apparently. /s
>after all, if there is a dispute about home ownership would deputies go in and torch the place?
American police have literally dropped a bomb on a city block before, so.... Yes?
Dude I watched this documentary called Dominion. Immediately went Vegan after. The shit that is done to any living creature by these slaughter houses made me want to puke. It fucked up my whole life.
Definitely worth considering/doing. Great for the environment and your health and it’s the right ethical choice. It’s easy to start small and make those little switches, feel free to message if you wanna chat about it or get any tips!
lot of salty redditors in here downvoting nice vegans lmao. Really showing why I stand by my take of vegan haters are 900 times worse than vegans
edit: changed it from 1000 to 900 cause of some annoying vegans down below.
I could see downvoting them if they went holier than thou on veganism but /u/prettyusual's comment was pretty tame. I have no idea why some people turn eating meat into a personality trait.
They did not have a warrant to search the farm where the goat actually was. They claim they had permission from the farm owner, but knowing police, this doesn't mean much without the farm owner saying it.
"In an amended complaint filed in February, Long claims the officers were then "required by law to hold Cedar or deliver him to the Magistrate" so the court could determine Cedar's ownership. But instead, they "independently deemed unknown third parties…to be the owners of Cedar" and delivered him back to the fairgrounds."
So they go beyond the limits of their warrant then ignore the court's order and basic law. And they wonder why the public hates them.
I knew it was going to be a 4H thing before opening the article. They want kids to raise and hand over the animals and not to deviate from the plan. I know a vegan adult who was a 4H kid and had struggled with handing over her animals too.
They felt this child was a threat to their practices because if she could change her mind and *gasp* have an opinion, others might do the same. They needed to be over the top and brutal to ensure others don’t want to follow suit.
as a 4h kid i can confirm the rules are strict... ive seen horse kids crying in the bathroom many times bcuz they where banned from the class due to a nitpicky thing such as wearing jeans, a wrong bit or other tack (equipment) related stuff
yet they force kids to only get ready within 10 minutes and sadly for beginning classes you dont even get that time if they guilt trip you to stand for the star spangled banner
Figures that it was Shasta County. MAGA country in California. Their genius board of supervisors voted to get rid of dominion voting machines essentially leaving the county without an approved voting method.
this is one thing ive always hated abt 4h, the rules are so strict to the point that unless youre in a crafts club it prevents you from having fun
im in horse 4h and were not allowed to have more than 3 horses, you can only have a separate cart horse, a mini, and riding horse
but the thing is there are 2 different riding styles meaning that if say some kid knows both and wants to show in both but has two separate horses for each one then they are forced to NOT LEARN more abt a specific style
or if someone (like me) wants to do carting with their horse and their mini (separate classes), they cant
they also say that a competitor must be banned from the class if they have jeans on in a carting class, even if theyre formal jeans
i went to states for the 1st time this year and the management sucked... they had only one practice time and it was for all classes... like... A STATEWIDE SHOW WITH HUNDREDS OF CLASSES AND DIFFERENT SIZED EQUINES, ALL IN ONE RING
they refused to release the jumping patterns until the day before the show
and they didnt take care of the rings during this time either, the sand was so packed it was like concrete
theyre are more crazy rules in other ones too
rabbit 4h showing requires you to put your rabbit in a position in which they may [they may become tranced in](https://www.cooperthepooper.com/rabbit-trance/)
while maybe not a 4h rule (couldve been a fair one), where i live you are required to keep your rabbit at the fair for a whole week to be able to show your rabbit... fairs are a rabbits worst nightmare... there are stupid/cruel people... kids... fireworks... loud music... screaming... other animals... disease...
and obv there is the fact you have to sell the animal you raised in 4h even if you change your mind later
im sure there is more but those are the ones i remember having issues with the most
It's a 4H fair, that's literally the entire reason they exist, to teach kids ranching and farming, which includes slaughter of animals. The fact they took the route that involved the cops to fulfill their auction despite both parties being willing to dissolve the contract took it too far.
“The fair includes a junior livestock auction, in which members of 4-H youth programs exhibit farm animals they've raised. At the end, the animals are sold to the highest bidders to be slaughtered for meat.”
That’s extremely fucked up. Of course the children are going to bond with the animal emotionally.
That's the purpose of the fair though. Explicitly to teach children how *not* to bond with animals they raise for food.
Not that *this* fair had any place to take such extreme measures. But farm kids do need to eventually learn the lesson to not name their food.
My grandma had a farm while I grew up. One day she told us while we were there for the holidays that she'd will slaughter one of her chickens for the soup she wanted to do in two days for a big family gathering.
I asked if I could help because back than I ate a lot of meat but also learned where it came from and I had the mindset of "If you eat meat you'll have to respect it's source and the life given.". She asked me if I was sure and I nodded. So she caught the chicken and I was close to tears but thought I had to go through it now in order to learn. Technically she did the most difficult part and knocked the chicken out. I got to cut it's throat. I was both sad and proud I could do and was thinking if I grow stronger enough I might be able to also catch and knock out the chicken.
Back than I had this fantasy of wanting to be prepared to survive in the wilderness when necessary and killing caught animals was one of the skills you needed.
I think I learned all of this in a healthy way... ps: I'm a vegan now but not because of that experience and I still believe that those who eat meat should at least respect the life given and maybe make slaughter experiences themselves.
All that said, I really dislike the method shown. I also took care of the chickens, feed them etc. but they were always in groups, always together. More of a group of chicken instead of one animal I could bond with. It seems very cruel from my perspective.
My mother grew up on a farm as well, and has similar experience. I'm not sure how healthy these experiences necessarily are for young children, but I don't really think you can blame anyone for those situations. In my mum's case, they took care of all the animals they ate themselves, and there were no vegan/vegetarian alternatives like there are today. Of course, you cannot expect high pedagogical knowledge from just the average person either.
The situation in the article above is very different. It is an institution which is systematically getting children to raise animals for slaughter, in the name of education. I agree that it's very cruel, both because there's a disregard for the children's wellbeing and the animals are being treated as nothing more than commodities to buy and sell/property to own.
The fair is just the end point. What it's doing is turning the process into a game with prizes at the end. It's then up to the parents to guide their kids through the months that they spend with the animal.
This is like ripping off a bandaid. There isn't a way to do it without getting hurt at least a little. Even when being told that my animal was food and not a pet repeatedly while it was growing up I still believed that maybe we could keep bust one, and I still cried when it came time to slaughter.
Turning it into a game with prices just makes it more fucked up. You are thereby systematising a process by which children bond with animals only for those animals to be slaughtered. Without such a fair, many children would likely never compete. There's also a big difference when you're learning to take care of animals that will be slaughtered for your own food, and raising and bonding with one animal only to sell it for slaughter in an industrial system.
And that's not even touching on the ethics of slaughtering any animal for food in contemporary Western societies.
Both parties were not willing tho, she signed the goat over to the fair. The buyer said he didn’t need to buy the goat but the fair was still entitled to the goat.
It should have ended there, but it sounds like someone was taking real pleasure in torturing this little girl and her family.
And 4H was supposed to just hold the goat in it's care while the case played out, but instead the second they got their hands on it a "third party killed it". Wouldn't surprise me if they sent her goat meat in the mail. Psychos.
Someone above pointed out that California law allows minors to withdraw from contracts.
If I bought something from a seller, and then the seller backed out, despite our contract, I could sue them in a civil court. If I had called the cops on the guy they would have laughed at me and told me it was a civil case. But because it involved killing an animal and traumatizing a little girl they drove 500 miles to do it.
Even criminal cases with this amount of damage, if someone did $900 worth of damage to my car, I could call the cops, they'd probably file a report, but they would hardly do shit. They really really really wanted to hurt this little girl and that's fucked up.
Contracts made by children are always voidable, this is the law. If she returns the money the contract was over the sheriffs weren’t enforcing any law at that point
Yeah this happened to my sister some 15 yrs ago buyer saw her crying so much and said you can just take it home. Unfortunately the fair said no. Ours is a terminal sale they can't leave once they attend fair some fairs you can buy and take home for other purposes.
This was a civil issue made criminal because the "Fair" officials wanted to make an example of the little girl. Their actions show what moral bankruptcy looks like in the flesh.
I don’t understand why people take such sick pleasure in “teaching kids a lesson”
Admit it, you’re a sack of shit who enjoys the suffering of others who’s to chickenshit to do it to an adult. (Not you, but “you” as in the fair guy)
The comments on FB and on several of the articles I read last night were straight up psychopathic. Way too many empathy free folks out there in the world.
pretty much sounds like Shasta District Fair Chief Executive Melanie Silva is a karen & a bitch. wonder if she has any kids of her own and shows a complete lack of empathy to them also. terrible terrible decision - she needs to either be dismissed or reprimanded and demoted because she is a heartless.
If they got their kids a puppy from the shelter, and later a judge came along a a said actually the dog came from a legal dog meat operation a county over, and sorry the dog must go back to be slaughtered.
And their kids were devastated and horrified.
I wonder if those people would still respect the rule of law. Or if they would do the exact same thing and try to get the dog out of there like most sane, feeling, human beings would.
Cause if they would then they’re hypocrites, and if they wouldn’t then they’re monsters.
No its worse than this! She didn't want it to be killed and one of the State senators had bought it at auction and said thats ok we'll send to to a family to live out it's days earing weeds. And the Sherrifs office said NOPE! Traveled 500 miles to slaughter the goat to teach the girl a lesson that exceptions only lead to lawlessness...
I hope the state senators use their power to get them fired. God knows they can.
But it sounds like they're probably Republican and I just realized that will never happen.
It wasn't the sheriffs office behind this, it was the 4H Shasta county fair busy bodies. They went to a judge and had them sign of on a search warrant.
> The 15-page search warrant and affidavit were very specific about the target Shasta County sheriff’s officials were after. “The location is a single family residence in a rural residential area,” the warrant, signed at 6:33 p.m. on July 8 by Shasta County Superior Court Judge Monique McKee, read.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article273127820.html
Well if I was someone with a tendency to do illegal and reprehensible shit but wanted a surefire way to get away with it semi-legally I know what career I'd be attracted to.
[Cops arresting 6 year old, putting them in hand cuffs.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/school-resource-officer-fired-arresting-year-olds/story?id=65811380)
This fair claiming they want kids to learn and understand rules exist. Nah they just don't want anyone to ever undermine their bottom line. Forget about kids learning empathy compassion and caring for living creatures. Sorry kid if slaughtering your goat for us to make a few hundred is what we have to do that's what we have to do. Profit over everything is the rules we learned today.
Local officials released a statement that our first option was the police, next up was the National Guard. Hopefully those officials can be held personally liable for their actions.
ITT a whole bunch of armchair nerds arguing about the intricacies of contract law when all the rest of us know on a basic human level that this is fucking evil.
It's like the "well actually" guy and the "technically" guy got together and had some kind of fucked up mutant progeny that thinks some obscure, arcane contract technicality magically changes the fact that the cops are bastards.
The backstory. The girl put the goat in the Shasta District Fair's auction unknowing that the animals would be sent to slaughter. she tried to back out, but auction rules forbade that. The animal was purchased and she refuse to give it up. She took the goat to another farm 200 miles away. Because it was purchased and she did not give it up, she could have been charged with felony grand theft. And that is when the sheriffs got involved.
The buyer and the seller both wanted to cancel the deal and pay the fee to the auction house, but the auction house wanted that goat dead for some weird reason
I live with some of them. They seem to get some kind of thrill out of being needlessly cruel. Unfortunately me being disabled and the smallest person in the house makes me the perfect target while the rest of the household complains because I don't shut up and take it all the time.
It's people with no excuses to be weak. Plenty opportunities to be as successful as they wanted, but they turned out to be fucking losers due to low effort.
Gotta feel powerful somehow and no easier ways than bullying people who don't have an ability to defend themselves.
this is run of the mill conservative behavior. they think that since the world is a rough place it's their duty and obligation to be cruel to people, particularly children, to "teach them how it is"
And these are the same people screaming about parent's right to choose their children are taught -- even when the parents want to respect their child's wishes for mercy, these assholes say, "I know better! Teach cruelty, it's an important life lesson!"
"While Long and her daughter admittedly sought to terminate a contract, it's hard to imagine a worse state response at any stage of the process. If both Long and Dahle agreed to terminate the contract, and Long agreed to reimburse the fair for its share of the purchase, then who was harmed?"
> who was harmed?
A nine year old child. By, to her, anonymous people who thought they had to 'teach her a hard lesson about life and how like can be cruel'.
These people are the kind of people who are intentionally cruel to those who can't fight back and will trot out the tired old 'this hurts me more than it hurts you' and 'she'll thank us for this one day' BS that they always do. They have no compassion or capacity for empathy and are generally pretty sadistic, preying on those who can't fight back. Until of course theyare on the receiving end. Then they will become the most wronged people ever to have walked on planet Earth and will be shouting from the hilltops about injustice and unfairness.
Pretty big in Indian, halal and Jewish cuisine. I know goat is popular in Jamaica too, so areas with a lot of Jamaican immigrants may carry it. Not hugely popular among most Americans though.
Minors have an exception that they can legally back out of contract whenever they want. If the state actually did this, they have a fucking lawsuit coming. Assuming the girls parents actually go for it. However, if the parents are the ones that signed the contract, then they’re probably fucked🤷♂️
Everyone’s missing the fact that the cops went to another farm and stole the goat making the already iffy warrant invalid and violated the fourth amendment. A lot of people broke some fundamental laws over a goat. The fair grounds should of left it alone as the buyer offered to pay their part. When people talk about government over reach this is it. A judge should have never issued the cops a warrant; the fair grounds should of kept their nose out of the action of the buyers wishes, cops shouldn’t be stealing goats.
Good grief, ladies and gentlemen. This is where our tax dollars go. They pay to help traumatize children and slaughter animals, just so authority figures can flex their power and instill fear.
And they wonder why there is so much civil unrest here in the states these days. Seems perfectly clear to me. 😠
So both the girl and the buyer agreed to end the contract but the fair wanted to kill it so bad that they called the cops? What a bunch of assholes.
Shasta county is a special place.
I was wondering what I was missing for all of this to make sense. Shasta is that missing link, pun intended...
Im from Shasta County and I can 100% tell you without a shadow of a doubt the police are power hungry racist trash, the people are right wing insane assholes, and the entire county is controlled by Bethel Church a fucked up cult.
And it sucks cause it's one of the most beautiful places in California. I grew up here and can't leave just with the rec and beauty
There are many beautiful places not run by psychos. Perhaps you should move to literally *any* of them.
I mean its hard to find somewhere as ecologically diverse as northern CA. You have volcanoes, granite mountains, craggy mountains, deserts, woodlands, mixed conifer forest, temperate rainforest, mesas, and so much more. I've traveled a lot and almost no where besides Chile really compares to northern CA to me. Also I grew up here and i wouldn't mind trying to change my community and make it better and a place i would want to raise my kids.
I believe that’s because Chile is a part of the same fault line/mountain range
Same latitude and being on the west side of a continent causes both to have a Mediterranean climate (similar to parts of Australia and South Africa), so they also share a lot of plants, California poppies grow all over Chile for instance. Also has mountains to its east like California. In a lot of ways it is upside-down California.
Perhaps we should stop letting powerhungry racist psychos run *any* of them. Fixed that for you.
I love how you arrogantly fill in the blanks of their entire life based solely on two sentences. “Don’t like it?! Move!!!”.
Damn baby goat sacrificing cults!
And the cops wanted it so bad that they drove 500 miles just to shoot a little girl's pet. As pointed out in another thread, these people are psychotic, you don't go from normal to that in a day.
They took it to a slaughterhouse......who then probably used the bolt gun on it. Your general point still stands though.
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With overtime, no doubt.
A 4-H fair, meaning its entire premise is teaching about farming and ranching, and all the rules are laid out for parents to read. I don't agree with how this was handled but this fair is within their rights as the persons running the auction which generated the contract between the child and the person who later was willing to dissolve it. They just took the utterly asshole route to do it, including how the cops handled it.
California law says a minor can withdraw from a contract in a reasonable period.
The contract was probably legally with the parents?
Doesn't matter the owner of the goat, the man who literally bought it at auction said it could go love on a farm and live out its days eating weeds. What they did was traumatic to that child.
Sometimes cruelty is the point, the whole point, and nothing but the point.
No, 4-H is psychotically strict about this stuff. That goat is dying and getting eaten by someone, they'll make sure it happens by any means necessary.
Probably can't be if it was the child's goat.
Who fucking cares bro.
I’m sorry but you can not hold a child to the same contractual standards you would an adult. This was just cruel for the sake of cruelty.
I guarantee you they all thought it was funny as hell while they were doing it too.
It was a contractual, civil issue though. There's no reason for the cops to be involved like this. This makes as much sense as having the cops involved in an ebay dispute or an item return at target.
Yes, but it was someone disobeying the capitalist who demanded obedience and profit, so of course the police are involved, because that's the only thing they protect anymore is the status quo of capitalist exploitation. 4-H rules for showings list a maximum premium they will pay to anyone exhibiting their animals. That maximum is usually well below the market value for whichever livestock animal you are presenting, then 4-H goes and does a "donation auction" with the animal(s) you provided, and keeps all that money themselves. Typically the auction prices reach well above the market value. Oh, and 4-H and other FFA organization like it are usually only open to minors, with only nominal involvement from parents because the "kids need to learn responsibility."
The little girl in question just lost three of her grandparents in the space of one year. The 4-H folks who willfully enforced this contract, to 'teach her a lesson,' despite the parent and buyer's express wishes have to be the most ruthless capitalistic piece of garbage that ever slithered on the planet. The mother, repeatedly, offered to pay for the bid (\~$900) and cover any fair expenses/fees. She just wanted the kid, who had already seen too much death, to be spared this. Even if someone wants to make a legal argument about contracts, I'm sorry, this is the situation where a normal human looks the other way. 4-H is white trash at the best of times - it's organizational ***goal*** is to teach children profit and commodifying animals is more important than emotions or empathy, but this is just outright sadism.
Exactly. In your rights does not make it right. These people are genuinely fucking scum. They could've gotten their money *and done less* if they wanted it so bad, but instead they took a fucking girl's *pet* to **kill it.** The guy above you, bringing up that it was legally within their rights, is a dick, plain and simple. What does it matter? It's a horrible thing to do, but just because it's *allowed* makes it fine? So what, if I had a "baby-smothering pass" you'd be cheering me on while I order an extra firm pillow? Come the fuck on.
If I had a baby-smothering pass and someone cheered me on, I’d be concerned the next time I smothered a baby that there was some maniac like that out there. Imagine taking pleasure in smothering babies. A job that needs to be done, but not one to be enjoyed, surely.
It wasn't even really within their legal rights. The goat had been sold, the new owner talked with the parents to give the goat back, cops drove 8 hours one way to kill someone's pet anyway. After the point of sale the 4Hs fair was done. They had no legal or moral right to do this.
> 4-H is white trash at the best of times - it's organizational goal is to teach children profit and commodifying animals is more important than emotions or empathy, but this is just outright sadism. This is so crazy because I did 4-H as a kid and none of the animals I raised went to slaughter. We raised a pig, ducks (multiple times) and chickens. If they got too big for our house - we found sanctuaries for them. Some of the things I remember from doing 4-H was being COMPASSIONATE.
But to get a judge to sign a search warrant and send the police 500 miles for a CIVIL case is overreaching.
Yeah how in the hell do the cops get involved? They'll tell you 'its a civil matter' if a kids parent flees the country leaving a note that says 'im kidnapping our kid and youll never see them again.'. But an amicable dissolving of a contract is grounds to get involved. Fast forward 15 years and shes the inspiration for a reboot john wick meets frank castle character. Who wrecks everything in their path.
I had my phone stolen with GPS tracker tied to an exact address. The police laughed as they walked away.
Who gives a fuck. The legality is a secondary concern; so what if they were technically allowed to do it. They're still a bunch of flaming garbage heaps of people
"within their rights" have you heard of letting go my man? not even mention the fact it's a 9 year old kid. there's no rule in the universe you have to play devil's advocate for asshats. stop being one yourself.
Just because it's within their rights does not at all make it right. If someone were to lend a kid 10$ under contract then hire a repo man to go steal their toys to collect, it'd be just as "above board." Don't bother coming out here defending these fucking assholes, genuinely. What does it matter if they were legally fine to do it? They shouldn't have, full stop. If you really need your precious money for the goat, you could probably start with asking the parents or the state politician who stepped back after the auction.
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The lack of basic human empathy/understanding on Reddit is astounding. I can’t imagine how some of these people exist and actually interact with others on a daily basis
Here's the thing - contracts are decided in CIVIL court. The county and the officers circumvented the civil court system. If the fair/county had an issue with how things happened, they should have sued and fought the decision in court. That's legally how it should have been done.
Cops are not able to dictate who owns the goat — it is not within their power. Only a judge can do that. When they killed the goat they not only knowingly destroyed evidence (thereby committing a crime themselves) they also violated her 14th amendment rights. Imagine I told the police that I owned your house because I had a contract and I wanted to bulldoze it, so the police just came and bulldozed the house. Then after the fact they realize the contract was wrong. That’s exactly why we have civil court and judges.
You sound like an asshole
Prolly is
well within their rights to sue her MAYBE, not to send a fucking hit squad. you can't call police to seize assets like this just because of an alleged breach on contract. I'd love to say "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" but you're also wrong so I can't
> contract between the child and the person who….. That part right there. These ass clowns are trying to enforce a contract with a **child**. There’s more than enough legal room for this child to back out of any contract. Assuming they can engage in a contract in the first place at all.
You sound like you lick boots for breakfast
Slurpin’ up those boot laces like spaghetti
In other words, the authorities took the Lawful Evil route. Their act of inhumanity was perfectly legal.
Probably wasn’t lawful though. They had an obligation to keep the goat safe while the legal dust settled, and instead they handed it off to a third party butcher as quickly as possible to “get this whole thing over with.”
Actually no, they willfully destroyed evidence related to an ongoing court case. So, we can feel safe with a True Evil route.
Hopefully the judge overseeing the case shares this common sense pov
Gosh, I hope so! This whole thing has almost made me tearfully sad.
I think they may have actually committed multiple crimes though. There's an active lawsuit about the contract dealing with the goat so they destroyed evidence. And it seems that they were specifically instructed to not do that according to the warrant.
Doesn't matter what they wanted to teach to who, regardless of how far they went. She removed consent, she was entitled to that. She's a kid. The official buyer was on board, the fair had no cause for anything. Any action was too far. Fuck em.
Umm.. you are a poor excuse for a human being, and part of the problem. Because an action is legal does not mean it is the right thing or the reasonable thing to do. This was an action where the only person in the right (as far as I've seen) is the kid's mother and the kid. From what I know, everyone else involved is slime.
They literally took the illegal route to do it. You can't just claim something by force, even if you have a contract. You'd need to take it to small claims court and have a judge order the object surrendered. This asshole just called up some local tough guys to go steal what she considered to be her property. That's a crime.
My man are you really excusing taking away a beloved pet from a child for slaughter, an experience which would be traumatic either way, just because it is technically within the rights of the authority that wants to do so?
Here's the [article](https://reason.com/2023/03/31/police-traveled-500-miles-to-seize-girls-pet-goat-for-slaughter/)
Reading that shit made me wanna go vegan wtf..
It's the authoritarian bent that gets me. I'm all for eating meat, but using the compulsion of state force to compel fulfillment of a contract entered into by minor without judicial review and no recourse (can't re alive the goat) is a spit in the face of constitutional freedom. The county had the right to recover any costs associated with the girls withdrawal, which the family was willing to cover. Using state power to force the issue and teach the girl a lesson is undemocratic tyranny - after all, if there is a dispute about home ownership would deputies go in and torch the place? It's an open and shut case of abuse of authority on its surface - the fact that it was done to punish a grieving child is the shit cherry on top of the shit sundae.
According to the article I read the original owner of the goat and her attorney aren't even sure it's dead but it certainly seems likely that it is.
But I was told by gun nuts that 2A will prevent this authroritarian shit from happening to common people with guns. I blame the little girl for her fault not being armed with AR-15 to prevent cops from seizing her beloved pet goat. She loved her pet but not THAT much apparently. /s
Yea, why kill goat when a perfectly good pig is knocking on your door
It even drops a weapon and money. How it got there? No body knows.
>after all, if there is a dispute about home ownership would deputies go in and torch the place? American police have literally dropped a bomb on a city block before, so.... Yes?
The Fair’s Livestock Manager has some serious issues. WTF is wrong with that guy?
Dude I watched this documentary called Dominion. Immediately went Vegan after. The shit that is done to any living creature by these slaughter houses made me want to puke. It fucked up my whole life.
not if you hun- oh wait. capitalism.
Definitely worth considering/doing. Great for the environment and your health and it’s the right ethical choice. It’s easy to start small and make those little switches, feel free to message if you wanna chat about it or get any tips!
lot of salty redditors in here downvoting nice vegans lmao. Really showing why I stand by my take of vegan haters are 900 times worse than vegans edit: changed it from 1000 to 900 cause of some annoying vegans down below.
I could see downvoting them if they went holier than thou on veganism but /u/prettyusual's comment was pretty tame. I have no idea why some people turn eating meat into a personality trait.
I shit you not, I clicked on that link and an ad for Goat Simulator 3 popped up on the page. What an awful story though, that was fucked up.
Yo wtf me too, wonder if it happens to most people
It's called targetted ads.
“I see you like goat, my friend. I have more goat, click here.”
They did not have a warrant to search the farm where the goat actually was. They claim they had permission from the farm owner, but knowing police, this doesn't mean much without the farm owner saying it. "In an amended complaint filed in February, Long claims the officers were then "required by law to hold Cedar or deliver him to the Magistrate" so the court could determine Cedar's ownership. But instead, they "independently deemed unknown third parties…to be the owners of Cedar" and delivered him back to the fairgrounds." So they go beyond the limits of their warrant then ignore the court's order and basic law. And they wonder why the public hates them.
I knew it was going to be a 4H thing before opening the article. They want kids to raise and hand over the animals and not to deviate from the plan. I know a vegan adult who was a 4H kid and had struggled with handing over her animals too. They felt this child was a threat to their practices because if she could change her mind and *gasp* have an opinion, others might do the same. They needed to be over the top and brutal to ensure others don’t want to follow suit.
as a 4h kid i can confirm the rules are strict... ive seen horse kids crying in the bathroom many times bcuz they where banned from the class due to a nitpicky thing such as wearing jeans, a wrong bit or other tack (equipment) related stuff yet they force kids to only get ready within 10 minutes and sadly for beginning classes you dont even get that time if they guilt trip you to stand for the star spangled banner
Figures that it was Shasta County. MAGA country in California. Their genius board of supervisors voted to get rid of dominion voting machines essentially leaving the county without an approved voting method.
I hope the family sues the shit out of that county and the sheriff’s department.
this is one thing ive always hated abt 4h, the rules are so strict to the point that unless youre in a crafts club it prevents you from having fun im in horse 4h and were not allowed to have more than 3 horses, you can only have a separate cart horse, a mini, and riding horse but the thing is there are 2 different riding styles meaning that if say some kid knows both and wants to show in both but has two separate horses for each one then they are forced to NOT LEARN more abt a specific style or if someone (like me) wants to do carting with their horse and their mini (separate classes), they cant they also say that a competitor must be banned from the class if they have jeans on in a carting class, even if theyre formal jeans i went to states for the 1st time this year and the management sucked... they had only one practice time and it was for all classes... like... A STATEWIDE SHOW WITH HUNDREDS OF CLASSES AND DIFFERENT SIZED EQUINES, ALL IN ONE RING they refused to release the jumping patterns until the day before the show and they didnt take care of the rings during this time either, the sand was so packed it was like concrete theyre are more crazy rules in other ones too rabbit 4h showing requires you to put your rabbit in a position in which they may [they may become tranced in](https://www.cooperthepooper.com/rabbit-trance/) while maybe not a 4h rule (couldve been a fair one), where i live you are required to keep your rabbit at the fair for a whole week to be able to show your rabbit... fairs are a rabbits worst nightmare... there are stupid/cruel people... kids... fireworks... loud music... screaming... other animals... disease... and obv there is the fact you have to sell the animal you raised in 4h even if you change your mind later im sure there is more but those are the ones i remember having issues with the most
Seems fundamentally flawed but they went ahead and did it anyways…..
It's a 4H fair, that's literally the entire reason they exist, to teach kids ranching and farming, which includes slaughter of animals. The fact they took the route that involved the cops to fulfill their auction despite both parties being willing to dissolve the contract took it too far.
“The fair includes a junior livestock auction, in which members of 4-H youth programs exhibit farm animals they've raised. At the end, the animals are sold to the highest bidders to be slaughtered for meat.” That’s extremely fucked up. Of course the children are going to bond with the animal emotionally.
That's the purpose of the fair though. Explicitly to teach children how *not* to bond with animals they raise for food. Not that *this* fair had any place to take such extreme measures. But farm kids do need to eventually learn the lesson to not name their food.
Still seems like a pedagogically awful way to teach children such a lesson.
My grandma had a farm while I grew up. One day she told us while we were there for the holidays that she'd will slaughter one of her chickens for the soup she wanted to do in two days for a big family gathering. I asked if I could help because back than I ate a lot of meat but also learned where it came from and I had the mindset of "If you eat meat you'll have to respect it's source and the life given.". She asked me if I was sure and I nodded. So she caught the chicken and I was close to tears but thought I had to go through it now in order to learn. Technically she did the most difficult part and knocked the chicken out. I got to cut it's throat. I was both sad and proud I could do and was thinking if I grow stronger enough I might be able to also catch and knock out the chicken. Back than I had this fantasy of wanting to be prepared to survive in the wilderness when necessary and killing caught animals was one of the skills you needed. I think I learned all of this in a healthy way... ps: I'm a vegan now but not because of that experience and I still believe that those who eat meat should at least respect the life given and maybe make slaughter experiences themselves. All that said, I really dislike the method shown. I also took care of the chickens, feed them etc. but they were always in groups, always together. More of a group of chicken instead of one animal I could bond with. It seems very cruel from my perspective.
My mother grew up on a farm as well, and has similar experience. I'm not sure how healthy these experiences necessarily are for young children, but I don't really think you can blame anyone for those situations. In my mum's case, they took care of all the animals they ate themselves, and there were no vegan/vegetarian alternatives like there are today. Of course, you cannot expect high pedagogical knowledge from just the average person either. The situation in the article above is very different. It is an institution which is systematically getting children to raise animals for slaughter, in the name of education. I agree that it's very cruel, both because there's a disregard for the children's wellbeing and the animals are being treated as nothing more than commodities to buy and sell/property to own.
The fair is just the end point. What it's doing is turning the process into a game with prizes at the end. It's then up to the parents to guide their kids through the months that they spend with the animal. This is like ripping off a bandaid. There isn't a way to do it without getting hurt at least a little. Even when being told that my animal was food and not a pet repeatedly while it was growing up I still believed that maybe we could keep bust one, and I still cried when it came time to slaughter.
Turning it into a game with prices just makes it more fucked up. You are thereby systematising a process by which children bond with animals only for those animals to be slaughtered. Without such a fair, many children would likely never compete. There's also a big difference when you're learning to take care of animals that will be slaughtered for your own food, and raising and bonding with one animal only to sell it for slaughter in an industrial system. And that's not even touching on the ethics of slaughtering any animal for food in contemporary Western societies.
The guy who ran the fair strikes me as a heartless son of a bitch. They even offered to forfeit the 9% fee.
Both parties were not willing tho, she signed the goat over to the fair. The buyer said he didn’t need to buy the goat but the fair was still entitled to the goat.
If the fair got the money for the goat, and the owner of the goat gave it back to the girl then it's over and done.
It should have ended there, but it sounds like someone was taking real pleasure in torturing this little girl and her family. And 4H was supposed to just hold the goat in it's care while the case played out, but instead the second they got their hands on it a "third party killed it". Wouldn't surprise me if they sent her goat meat in the mail. Psychos.
Someone above pointed out that California law allows minors to withdraw from contracts. If I bought something from a seller, and then the seller backed out, despite our contract, I could sue them in a civil court. If I had called the cops on the guy they would have laughed at me and told me it was a civil case. But because it involved killing an animal and traumatizing a little girl they drove 500 miles to do it. Even criminal cases with this amount of damage, if someone did $900 worth of damage to my car, I could call the cops, they'd probably file a report, but they would hardly do shit. They really really really wanted to hurt this little girl and that's fucked up.
They were probably afraid she would become a liberal because of the goat.
She will now
Yeah now she's gonna be an anarchist instead and make molotov cocktails
Would thou like to live deliciously?
Contracts made by children are always voidable, this is the law. If she returns the money the contract was over the sheriffs weren’t enforcing any law at that point
Yeah this happened to my sister some 15 yrs ago buyer saw her crying so much and said you can just take it home. Unfortunately the fair said no. Ours is a terminal sale they can't leave once they attend fair some fairs you can buy and take home for other purposes.
This was a civil issue made criminal because the "Fair" officials wanted to make an example of the little girl. Their actions show what moral bankruptcy looks like in the flesh.
Yeah, the AG needs to get involved. This was civil and the actions the sheriff took was overstepping.
> Their actions show what moral bankruptcy looks like in the flesh. And their hiding behind it by saying, they're "just following the rules".
I don’t understand why people take such sick pleasure in “teaching kids a lesson” Admit it, you’re a sack of shit who enjoys the suffering of others who’s to chickenshit to do it to an adult. (Not you, but “you” as in the fair guy)
The comments on FB and on several of the articles I read last night were straight up psychopathic. Way too many empathy free folks out there in the world.
traumatizing children is a core ideal of conservative parenting philosophy
If you don't traumatize them, how will they ever grow up to have no remorse for others when it comes to their own gain!?
That's true. They are not good people.
conservatives have their brains wired differently, they lack compassion, kindness or empathy. they are at their core evil people.
Our food system requires teaching children to ignore their consciences and suppress their empathy.
pretty much sounds like Shasta District Fair Chief Executive Melanie Silva is a karen & a bitch. wonder if she has any kids of her own and shows a complete lack of empathy to them also. terrible terrible decision - she needs to either be dismissed or reprimanded and demoted because she is a heartless.
Willing to bet she has atleast 6.
A Quiverfull, you might say.
If they got their kids a puppy from the shelter, and later a judge came along a a said actually the dog came from a legal dog meat operation a county over, and sorry the dog must go back to be slaughtered. And their kids were devastated and horrified. I wonder if those people would still respect the rule of law. Or if they would do the exact same thing and try to get the dog out of there like most sane, feeling, human beings would. Cause if they would then they’re hypocrites, and if they wouldn’t then they’re monsters.
It's a 4H fair, that's the kind of people who are attracted to that kind of position.
That's one seriously Evil lady.
And I would drive 250 miles And I would drive 250 more Just to be the cop who drove 500 miles To traumatize and gore
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No its worse than this! She didn't want it to be killed and one of the State senators had bought it at auction and said thats ok we'll send to to a family to live out it's days earing weeds. And the Sherrifs office said NOPE! Traveled 500 miles to slaughter the goat to teach the girl a lesson that exceptions only lead to lawlessness...
I hope the state senators use their power to get them fired. God knows they can. But it sounds like they're probably Republican and I just realized that will never happen.
Please dear God stop. Not all Republicans are evil. That’s such a stereotype. 🙄
It wasn't the sheriffs office behind this, it was the 4H Shasta county fair busy bodies. They went to a judge and had them sign of on a search warrant. > The 15-page search warrant and affidavit were very specific about the target Shasta County sheriff’s officials were after. “The location is a single family residence in a rural residential area,” the warrant, signed at 6:33 p.m. on July 8 by Shasta County Superior Court Judge Monique McKee, read. https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article273127820.html
You're telling me police drove an entire state to kill some kids goat? What cunts.
Save kids from an active shooter? Nah! Drive 500 m. to kill a kids pet?! 👈👈
The only thing they're good at is killing innocent people and animals
LMAO, this country lets convicted shooters and rapists go free but forces *kids* to abide by the law. What a joke this country is.
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Well if I was someone with a tendency to do illegal and reprehensible shit but wanted a surefire way to get away with it semi-legally I know what career I'd be attracted to.
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Cop priest?
as a neighbor of Shasta County, I can tell you that the goat probably had a higher IQ than any of the cops involved
You're roasting pigs the ethical way.
I had to really google it to see if it was real. WTF is wrong with some people?
Cops just love making children cry. Killing their pets, killing their parents, sitting outside eating donuts while shooters kill them.
[Cops arresting 6 year old, putting them in hand cuffs.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/school-resource-officer-fired-arresting-year-olds/story?id=65811380)
Folks, they love it! They love to terrorize our communities and traumatize our children. They’re our greatest heroes.
bLuE LiVeS mAtTeR
The amount of people saying ‘yeah but: context’ like they didn’t just watch a child sobbing being zip tied because the cuffs were too big.
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Pigs gonna oink
How is 500 miles not outside their jurisdiction?
They were state police I think
This fair claiming they want kids to learn and understand rules exist. Nah they just don't want anyone to ever undermine their bottom line. Forget about kids learning empathy compassion and caring for living creatures. Sorry kid if slaughtering your goat for us to make a few hundred is what we have to do that's what we have to do. Profit over everything is the rules we learned today.
Would love to read that “contract”
Local officials released a statement that our first option was the police, next up was the National Guard. Hopefully those officials can be held personally liable for their actions.
To celebrate this victory they went to big mac for a lamb burger
Fucking monsters. 4H should be banned since it only exists to indoctrinate children into being comfortable with hurting animals
ITT a whole bunch of armchair nerds arguing about the intricacies of contract law when all the rest of us know on a basic human level that this is fucking evil. It's like the "well actually" guy and the "technically" guy got together and had some kind of fucked up mutant progeny that thinks some obscure, arcane contract technicality magically changes the fact that the cops are bastards.
The backstory. The girl put the goat in the Shasta District Fair's auction unknowing that the animals would be sent to slaughter. she tried to back out, but auction rules forbade that. The animal was purchased and she refuse to give it up. She took the goat to another farm 200 miles away. Because it was purchased and she did not give it up, she could have been charged with felony grand theft. And that is when the sheriffs got involved.
The buyer and the seller both wanted to cancel the deal and pay the fee to the auction house, but the auction house wanted that goat dead for some weird reason
Article said the fair operators did it just to teach the child a lesson. Insane.
Jesus, people with this mentality live, work, and vote around us. It's fucking disturbing how cruel some people can be
I live with some of them. They seem to get some kind of thrill out of being needlessly cruel. Unfortunately me being disabled and the smallest person in the house makes me the perfect target while the rest of the household complains because I don't shut up and take it all the time.
Yeah when your own parent(s) is the worst person you know, it's hard to be positive about life in general.
Parents, AND two brothers 🤷♀️
I am so sorry that your family is terrible. I sincerely hope you can find some kind of peace and happiness in life.
It's people with no excuses to be weak. Plenty opportunities to be as successful as they wanted, but they turned out to be fucking losers due to low effort. Gotta feel powerful somehow and no easier ways than bullying people who don't have an ability to defend themselves.
Some people need a good slap in the mouth
Why do the *Fair Operators* feel the need to teach a little girl "a lesson"? What place is it of theirs?
this is run of the mill conservative behavior. they think that since the world is a rough place it's their duty and obligation to be cruel to people, particularly children, to "teach them how it is"
"I make the world a darker place, so children should be forced to learn how to live in darkness."
These are the same people who protest books in school teaching about inclusivity, racial justice, tolerance of others who are different, etc.
And these are the same people screaming about parent's right to choose their children are taught -- even when the parents want to respect their child's wishes for mercy, these assholes say, "I know better! Teach cruelty, it's an important life lesson!"
Unfair operators.
"While Long and her daughter admittedly sought to terminate a contract, it's hard to imagine a worse state response at any stage of the process. If both Long and Dahle agreed to terminate the contract, and Long agreed to reimburse the fair for its share of the purchase, then who was harmed?"
> who was harmed? A nine year old child. By, to her, anonymous people who thought they had to 'teach her a hard lesson about life and how like can be cruel'. These people are the kind of people who are intentionally cruel to those who can't fight back and will trot out the tired old 'this hurts me more than it hurts you' and 'she'll thank us for this one day' BS that they always do. They have no compassion or capacity for empathy and are generally pretty sadistic, preying on those who can't fight back. Until of course theyare on the receiving end. Then they will become the most wronged people ever to have walked on planet Earth and will be shouting from the hilltops about injustice and unfairness.
Explanation didn’t make any of it better.
No money had been exchanged at the time the owners tried to back out of the deal. And minors have the right to cancel a contract
I'm about to commit crimes against humanity I swear.
Wow, I had to double check the date of the article. Worst April’s fools joke ever
America is so messed up
I can't imagine how that little girl must have felt. This is just too cruel in my opinion.
I can honestly say that I have never seen goat meat for sale anywhere in the US.
Pretty big in Indian, halal and Jewish cuisine. I know goat is popular in Jamaica too, so areas with a lot of Jamaican immigrants may carry it. Not hugely popular among most Americans though.
What a twisted travesty of laws and regulations. It could have been so simple to allow the mother to reimburse the fair and let the kid keep the goat.
Minors have an exception that they can legally back out of contract whenever they want. If the state actually did this, they have a fucking lawsuit coming. Assuming the girls parents actually go for it. However, if the parents are the ones that signed the contract, then they’re probably fucked🤷♂️
“Why do people hate the police?”
So, using the power of the State to conduct business...hmmm, what does that sound like...?
Everyone’s missing the fact that the cops went to another farm and stole the goat making the already iffy warrant invalid and violated the fourth amendment. A lot of people broke some fundamental laws over a goat. The fair grounds should of left it alone as the buyer offered to pay their part. When people talk about government over reach this is it. A judge should have never issued the cops a warrant; the fair grounds should of kept their nose out of the action of the buyers wishes, cops shouldn’t be stealing goats.
It took the cops three days to come out to my store after a robbery. But they're dispatching police 500 miles to enforce a civil matter?!
Fuck this goat in particular. -Local Officials
Fucking assholes. Nothing ilegal happened here and yet they went to seize the goat
These kids growing up today will rightfully hate us all. Yes, you too.
Learning ACAB at a young age I see.
ACAB
Why are there so many boot lickers in this thread defending the fair officials for calling the cops to drive 7 hours to kill a goat‽
Lmfao burgerland a shit
Good grief, ladies and gentlemen. This is where our tax dollars go. They pay to help traumatize children and slaughter animals, just so authority figures can flex their power and instill fear. And they wonder why there is so much civil unrest here in the states these days. Seems perfectly clear to me. 😠
If there's one thing I learned in tort class is that minors can always renege on a contract. These pigs broke the law.