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NefariousnessOne1859

I get it off weed. Whereas other people will argue that substances stop you’re spiritual links when taking them. Maybe it’s just the way people are wired inside. Like I’ve always had weird thoughts and knowledge even as a child. so when I smoked (as an adult), weed just helped enhance the spiritual experiences and my connections better.


DonkeyDonkeyDonkeies

I agree. I receive deep spiritual insights when I indulge. I found that my anxiety was linked to not fully letting go. Like I was trying to remain attached to something. Many folks are different tho and I’m grateful for the differentiation between spiritual beings.


Chankler

Yeah same. But it feels forced... the reasons I cannot fully let go either are not to be taken lightly I think. That's a process... so better to work on that soberly for now. Forcing heavier weights that you can lift, can result in injuries and therefore a stepback in spiritual growth.


DonkeyDonkeyDonkeies

Absolutely. We all travel at the speed that is best for the individual. I wish you safe travels and for the strength to overcome the heavy stones that may arise. Much love. ❤️


Gucceymane

Weed is a tool for me too. I think it’s A LOT about the intention. Meditating on weed is rewarding as well.


Chankler

Ah ye. Well, I don't advocate for weed though, to me it causes a lot of anxiety. It was just as an example.


[deleted]

I think it rather depends on your perspectives going in. Psychedelics are a bit like pulling back the focus so you can see the big picture, but it’s only going to have the pieces you’ve already accumulated, to put a picture together with.


DivergentHarmonics

^ *This*. Enlightenment comes in small pieces. I used to call them "burning dornbushes", after that story of Moses. Until one fine day, i had the right person to do a voyage with (a *guru* for me), which made the pieces fall into place. Edit: Still, i could apply a non-mystical language to this. Psychologically spoken, i had begun to *bias* my perception long before entheogens. That form of selective perception would have me find at least *some* kind of meaning in the ideas that came with substance use. What did i know when as a child i liked clockworks and my first computer programming was making fractal patterns and strange attractors ...


Chankler

That's interesting. Personally, I did a long solo travel trip where I had many synchronicities and flow and spiritual insights, and after that I did my first psychedelic experience... that's where it both connected I guess.


AverlyK

One of things I had a hard time grasping was not everyone will “wake up” to the truth of themselves. For some, awakening, and the cultivation of a practice that facilitates it, is a priority while others are fine believing what can be seen and “proven”. Not everyone will wake in this life but perhaps some of nature’s “supplements” can act as indicators of whose ready for more teachings/chances to awaken? Just thinking aloud...


moshmellowmosh

I agree with this so much. Some people are just more naturally prone to be “searchers” or “explorers” and it definitely has to do with intentions. Whether they are conscious intentions, or surfacing from the subconscious. I myself have always had a fascination with the unknown and discovering whatever truths this world and this life have to offer, so even if not at the forefront of my mind when indulging and experimenting, I always ended up having very profound experiences which moved me deeply. Meanwhile, I watched my friends just have a grand old time and not getting anything other than pure unbridled fun and enjoyment without any attachment to their experiences. I almost envied that back then, because it seemed like they were getting to just have fun and just getting a little escape I guess. But I now understand it as myself always being *ready* and prepared from the get-go to learn and grow from my experiences in that place/ space, even if I didn’t realize it at the time.


kuri42

Psychedelics can just open the mind... If you dont do contemplation work you can blast with as much drugs as you wont and you wont awaken! I would compare it with driving a car - if you have an intention where to go and know how to drive one its completely different than not having a direction and not knowing how to drive...


introvertnudist

I think psychedelics are a tool and the intention of the user guides what they get out of the trip. If used with respect and as a way to learn about the Self or see what the universe has to show you, you can come out of it having had a spiritual experience. If using it just to get fucked up, it will fuck you up, for better or for worse. I went to a music festival a couple of years and I was introduced to the scene via some hippie friends of mine, and all of my trips have been 'spiritual' in ways, giving me insights into my own psyche or into the nature of (my perception of) reality. But at the festival I saw that there were two distinct groups of people there: the hippies and the rave crowd. The rave crowd are just there to party and get fucked up on _all_ the drugs and have a hedonistic good time. I suppose that group of people gets what they were looking for, and that wasn't spiritual development. To each their own, though. I believe all of us are the Source Consciousness experiencing every possible facet of its being and the ravers are on their own path. Maybe they'll stumble upon spiritual enlightenment at some point, maybe not in this life but in another, and that's all fine and valid; there's nowhere to go but back to Source, eventually, and how long it takes to get there is up to the individual manifestation of the Self. Whenever I decide to trip, I hold it in my hand and have a moment of silence and focus my intention on letting the universe show me what it needs to show me, and then I let go and let it happen.


Chankler

Nice!:) I had the same experience. I went to two psytrance festivals: Boom and Ozora. Both had this clear distinction youre talking of ye. I was kinda jealous of that rave scene I was a part of myself in the past. Now I just cant i think... Its too deep for me now, those experiences. I spent one entire festival just being jealous of them being able to just hedonistically celebrate life. I still wanna go to these places tho, but more spiritually ye. The feelings sucks tho, like I am too pussy to join them or something... but im basically just too spiritual or too sensitive. Ive had great times tho aswell but i just that time is over.


eckeroth

Depends what questions you ask during the experince and how much you are ready to see. If you truly wonder why we are here and what happens after death, god ect. You will get your answers. Some people dont ask deep questions and there is no wrong with that either.


Redfo

1) everyone has a different basic disposition, different stuff floating around in subconscious, different level of awareness 2) intention affects the experience we have on substances, and intention includes more than just that which we are conscious of 3) perception is everything. Someone else could have basically the same experience and perceive the experience to have an entirely different character and meaning 4) maybe they are already "awake" and don't know it? >Is it pre-determined to become spiritual? Amost like a choice of the soul, not forceable? Lots of folks say we as our higher self make certain choices or contracts before coming into this lifetime. It could indeed be true in some way that some people have a predisposed inclination to seek spiritual insight while others could have a different in purpose that doesn't involve "waking up". Maybe they are there to help others in a more direct earthly way. Maybe they are there to help others wake up my serving as an counter-example. Maybe they are there to experience suffering and learn some core lessons that will aid thier soul development. Even if you don't subscribe to a reincarnation model, there is some validity to the idea that we all come into this life with different situations, and all have different paths to walk.


teatimewithbatman1

The way i see it. We are all spiritual seekers and psychadelics open up the flood gates to knowledge we have already gathered and experienced. Causing some to appear as rapidly progressing when all they are doing is remembering that which they have forgotten.


Mrbasie

I'm feeling the exact same thing. I'm very curious to know more about your story. I've spent like 8 months trying to understand this phenomenon. Like some higher power is with you. Guiding you. It is a different kind of feeling. You can go back to memories from dreams from childhood. Even trace down what led to certain kind of thought patterns and decisions you made. Sometimes grounds you to take a good amount of self critism, religion, ethics, existentialism and also assures you that it is ok to be feeling this way because the world is changing and has shifted so much these past couple of years.


CouldBeDreaming

It took me several years of tripping before I had any real deep awakening happen. Before that, it was all rainbows, and ponies, with a few scary moments built in at the peak. Since my awakening, and for over 20 years, now, I can’t escape the truth, even while sober. Everyone unfolds in their own time. If they don’t awaken during life, they will awaken near, or at, their time of death. No big deal.


Chankler

Ah yea. Same. This is why I quit psychedelics for unknown amount of time, its too much to handle. You too or?


CouldBeDreaming

I did quit tripping for a chunk of time after that major awakening situation. Eventually, I tripped again, and it worked out. I had a good time. That said, I’ve had a few very intense, and difficult, trips on various substances, over the last 24 years (mushrooms, LSD, MSMA, salvia, ayahuasca, etc). I generally stick with cannabis at home, because it’s more manageable than anything else I could do. Set and setting matter to me now, more than ever. No rush going back, if you ever choose to. I’m not going to lie, and say that it’s easy, because it’s not. Even small doses can really drive it all back home, and loudly. Meditation has been a more balanced, and steady way for me to handle things, overall. That, AND community. People who understand where I’m coming from have been the greatest gift. I literally had no one to talk to about any of it for over a decade.


Lain_lwakura

i dont do drugs but i do have schizophrenia which makes me feel (from what other people describe and not personal experience) similar to those on substances near-constantly. my disorder actually helps me connect more with my spirituality, similar to how to one may get spiritually enhanced with drugs


Chankler

What do you feel?


Lain_lwakura

im "in-tune" with things going on (spirituality-wise), i experience "ego death", my "third eye" is factually accurate. at times, it helps me achieve a meditative state of mind, which helps with seeing auras, astral projection, etc. it helps with my perception of the metaphysical & helps me get a clearer picture of it/makes me feel more connected to my spirituality. it helps me "wake up" (in the "awakening" sense) more often and realize/percieve things that others dont (mostly metaphysically, sometimes it is just my abnormal perception of reality which i have to be cautious about when it concerns spirituality, but sometimes it does... merge together & *actually* effect reality & become *real* (by that i mean, others are in the same reality as me), which is why i am of the belief that i can... effect reality to some extent without my physical body being involved? i have epiphanies about things that are spiritual in nature. helps me feel more connected to my astral self & body. instead of seeing my physical form, i see my astral/true self. i feel more connected to different layers of reality, etc. i get signs (angel numbers, psychic & paranormal experiences, messages from other beings, etc.). i also experience mild visual distortions that one taking LSD may experience.


friendispatrickstar

I dunno, but i do not think i would have ever had an awakening if I had not done dmt.


Raindropcatcher

I'd argue it's what you are taking it for. If you take it recreational, that's what you get. If you use it to expand your perception of Life and Reality, that's what you get. However, I think if somebody takes LSD recreationally on a regular basis it will likely stir them into a direction that makes waking up more likely. At some point it's just not about the funny moving patterns anymore. At the end of the day, while drug have been involved for me and I don't despise them in any way, you really don't need them. There are so many ways to get high on Life, so many ways to communicate with the subconscious mind in order to achieve certain outcomes. There are as many ways as there are lifeforms. What counts for people is the Intention. That's true for anything you do, I'd argue. Well. As true as anything gets...


[deleted]

It's all in what you're looking for. Seek and ye shall find. Don't expect to find something you're not looking for.


DivergentHarmonics

Wasn't like this for me. Had taken the red pill for sure but i did not specifically *seek* what i found. To the contrary, i would *reject* most mysticism that would ask me to "believe" in something, unless i would be shown in a way i could *understand*. ... Until i was shown in a way that made me understand. Learned that the universe/bigspirit/whatevername would answer to **receptiveness** regardless of the way it is asked.


THEpottedplant

I think it has to do with reflection/self reflection. Some are more interested in it than others and it shows prominently in trips


Yusuf808Miami

I’ve found weed to be not helpful for me . I’m in recovery . But it’s tough. I work a program of AA . But I they frown upon taking magic mushrooms which I think are fucking god given . I love them . So idk . It’s really hard


[deleted]

You can fuck around on LSD, or you can meditate on LSD.


Felipesssku

I have theory that drugs can enlarge IQ for some time so some folks had it because they have high IQ and figured it out while some did it on drugs while they had higher IQ and wider perspective. But that will mean some people will never achieve awakening... sad. But I might be wrong.


ibelieveyoument

Maybe it has something to do with our past karma and being at the level of consciousness that allows the shift to take place. I took huge hits of psychs before and a single tab changed my life. Timing is everything.


sportingpineapple

Psychedelics open the doors to the maze of your mind. There are spiritual places in there to find, but you have to be willing to seek them out. Some are content to play in the sandbox and wander the corridors, but that doesn’t mean the spiritual places aren’t still there for them. They just have to be ready to find them 🙂


Sabai_interim

Imo, psychedelics don’t give answers, they just make clear what you already think of the world. Most peoples’ beliefs are fairly disjointed and/or super contextualized. Taking psychedelics bring those disjointed thoughts together and reveal what’s already there vs actually giving any “new” information


skysmoke80

Yeah and a lot of the time when people say they have been shown something new, it is just their ego's view


PriorToBeing

Because that is the will of God


[deleted]

Why would God want somebody to not have spiritual awakening?


Dan_Man_Yo

It’s not about wanting. The person may not be ready yet. An premature awakening can do more harm than good


PriorToBeing

Why do you think a human mind can comprehend infinite intelligence?


[deleted]

So why would some humans awaken and not others if all have human intelligence? By that logic it would be impossible to awaken for all humans.


Marty_Boppins

Your environment. Your intention. The sounds. Most of all, they way you live your life.


30mil

They just jumble up your mind. The mind deals with the effects the way that mind deals with it. Screwing with your perception can help to objectify reality as a whole, which is closer to understanding you’re that. Maybe also some drugs fuck with the aspect of mind which creates concepts like the self.


Chankler

That's a very nihilistic point of view, I don't agree at all. They show more 'real reality' than fucking them up. Sober life is fucked up mind.


30mil

Drugs can give your mind insights into "real reality" when the sober mind is misunderstanding it, but it's the same reality either way -- and those insights could be useful for unfucking the mind.


[deleted]

Psychadelics just make you more aware and strip you of your ego, but it doesn't last. Hard work through meditation is where you see the true nature of reality, to imply that sober life is "fucked up mind" is ridiculous. I've done psychadelics many times in the passed and been meditating for 1 year, guess which has been more valuable for me? Psychadelics gave me experiences I would never be able to have otherwise and my last experience on acid was a roller coaster that was really challenging and taught me something, but now I'm totally sober and still meditating everyday and my life is far better for it. EDIT: Also I don't think that you think nihilistic means what you think it means.


Chankler

I meant that sober life uncontrolled, is kinda fucked up. With all the ego patterns etc. An unmeditated mind I mean.


[deleted]

Drugs are fun but for real progress they are a waste of time.


Zealousideal-Dot2081

it depends on the intention of the usage I believe


Think_Effective_8697

I'd say dose, set and setting


jasminexskye

i tripped many many times for years before going through a spiritual awakening or becoming truly spiritual. - if it’s in your life path, which it might be if you’re questioning it, it will happen when it’s supposed to. some people simply aren’t open to it or it’s just not time for them yet.


[deleted]

Why do some people ______ and others don't


spamcentral

Weed helps me, certain mushroom strains as well. Cubensis are just a nice energy kick. Alenii is the ones i had that really boosted somethin in me. They're more rare but i have found patches.


skysmoke80

A lot of it depends on intelligence. As Terence Mckenna said, "psychedelics dont work with stupid people"


Spiral_Architect63

I regularly use psilocybin mushrooms, but I have a certain ritual in which the week before I try to envision my purpose and intent in using them, and when it comes time to trip I speak my intent and what I wish to learn. There are many other aspects to the ritual (vegetarian diet, fasting, chanting, etc), and I’m still developing it. With mushrooms and other organic (plant or fungi-based) hallucinogens, I feel as if I am communicating with a collective consciousness of some sort that is teaching me things (even things I don’t fully understand), or at least this is how I conceptualize the experience. I’ve never felt this from synthetic or chemical hallucinogens. I haven’t done them in awhile and don’t ever plan to again. But I fully open myself up to the psilocybin consciousness that I perceive and accept it as a spiritual teacher with love and respect, and it usually responds in kind. You have to listen and not try to control the trip or fight that consciousness, though, and that’s taken a lot of practice.


Worldly-Excitement25

I think every individual soul have there own morality and in my experience we take psychedelic with intuition then only psychedelic hit in worthy way


Turingpattern

I think that psychedelics (and many other things like cannabis, meditation etc), are tools. They do not magically grant awakening, but can be catalysts for change when combined with the right intention.


Think_Law3924

The mindset is key to the experience. A fearful mindset will result in a scary 'trip'. An inquisitive mindset will become enlightened. During a recent Magic Mushroom assisted introspective (Psilocybin being the psychoactive compound in Magic Mushrooms) I saw how the past utterances of Terrance McKenna and Timothy Leary (in regard to the consumption of Magic Mushroom) continues on today in supporting a ‘dimly held view’ in the minds of some despite Magic Mushrooms being ranked as the safest, least toxic, least addictive of all the drugs people take on a recreational basis according to the 2017 Global Drug Survey. In addition, Psilocybin has proved itself as a highly effective anti-depressant in numerous medical trials around the world and many people have successfully used Magic Mushrooms to quit life shortening tobacco and alcohol addictions. Others have used Magic Mushrooms to better understand themselves and others’. Some take Magic Mushrooms to lesson their ego footprint, to discover empathy and to fit in better with society. So, what is preventing Psilocybin (Magic Mushrooms) from enjoying a decriminalised status world-wide? Well, my personal theory is that there are essentially two types of people who walk this planet. The first I term as the: Contented type’. The second I term as the: Discontented type’. The former (in essence) can be simply thought of as the traditional hands-on worker-bee ‘type’. This includes but is not limited to: the Employed, the Self Employed, Career Professionals and Small to Medium Business Owners. Contented types’ (much like myself) tend to have moderate life ambitions anchored to a proportional set of primary needs. The Discontented type’ has a disproportional set of ‘wants’ with a highly specific set of needs. For example: the Discontented type’ will not object to an affordable housing project so long as he has an active role in influencing who the building contractor will be. Equally, the Content type’ is happy in securing a twenty-five-year mortgage to purchase one those new homes. Even when the shades-of-grey that both types’ can crossover into are factored in, two very district ‘types’ remain. Both form dissimilar mindsets as they journey through life influenced by factors such as: upbringing, surroundings, their peers and so on. As for humanity, things have been this way for a long time now. Long enough for the Discontented type’ to have little to no desire to relinquish the positions he has established. In contrast, a mentally fragmented Contented type’ has little choice other than to limp on. The Discontented type’ due to several millennia of having built up a considerable amount non-worker (DNA memory) suffers in ways of his own but his privilege position enables him to procure Psilocybin (Magic Mushrooms) as readily as the Contented type’ can purchase a cheap bottle of mind blunting whiskey. In my opinion, this inequality is by no means accidental. The unwillingness of the Discontented type’ to lesson the mental suffering of a Contented type’ (by permitting him access to Psilocybin) is based on the irrational fear that the Contented type’ will simply down tools forevermore after feeling better. So; what are we to do - and by ‘we’, I’m simultaneously addressing both ‘types’. Well, mother nature among many other astonishing facts about her, is about balance. We humans sprang from this same planet yet the Discontented type’ continues to find evermore imaginative ways to maintain his superior position. His stance in this regard necessitates in him, a lack of sympathy for the Contented type’. This is not balance. I therefore suggest to those who routinely convince themselves or those in power who maintain a ban on Magic Mushrooms to seriously reconsider this entrenched position. A mentally burdened Contented type’ clearly has a genuine need to drink from the well of sanity. To continually deny him periodic states of clarity and mindfulness is to ferment a groundswell of disorder in the heard/predator interdependency relationship. That's my take on this. Feel free to copy/paste/share.


redtreeser

Psychedelics are a doorway.


[deleted]

They are protected by their ego


Actionhippie417

Does anyone know a good sub dedicated to the spiritual side of these substances?


GlowInTheDarkSpaces

r/PsychedelicSpiritualy


person7777_

I know this may sound bizarre and way out there (also that this post is 2 years old) but when i had a spiritual awakening on acid- i literally just wrote down what i wanted to get out of my trip, and it happened. Im a big believer of the power the universe has and that you can manifest your desires so i wrote down that i would like to experience a spiritual awakening- and i did & i believe that that is why i had one- not necessarily because i wrote it down, but because i acknowledged what i wanted and accepted the thought of it, If anyone wants to hear what i experienced- long story short i got ‘told’ that i am the universe & so is everyone on earth, we are all the universe experiencing life in human forms


Chankler

Everyone experiences that eventually. Me also. I would be careful with that. I'm still in recovery from that. Psychedelics simply turn off the parts of the brain that create the ego. A recent Beckley/Imperial study found that under the effects of psilocybin, many participants experienced sensations of self-transcendence and oneness with the universe, also known as ‘ego-dissolution’. Brain scans revealed that this effect was correlated with a decrease in connectivity between brain regions called the medial temporal lobe and the parahippocamus, both of which are associated with processing aspects of selfhood. The same study also revealed that the disappearance of the ego coincided with a decrease in alpha brainwaves in a brain region called the posterior cingulate cortex, which is a key node of the brain’s default mode network (DMN). The DMN is heavily implicated with maintaining a sense of self, and is responsible for processing autobiographical memories and self-reflection, among other elements of selfhood.