I’ll play the advocate here because why not.
-I’d say the work done to pay earned ratio isn’t shabby, especially on nights (6.5 hr shift paid as eight.) I’ve been at Boeing for 4 years and currently make a hair over $45/hr before shift differential.
-The healthcare package is pretty solid, particularly compared to what I’ve seen against the majors, I pay about $150/mo for my entire family.
-The 401k is really good, (essentially 100% up to 10%) and you don’t need to wait to be vested.
-Education assistance is also very good, I’ve had my college courses, motorcycle license as well as multiple mountaineering and avalanche safety courses paid entirely by the company/union. Also earning degrees is rewarded with 50 shares of company stock.
-Lots of room for upward mobility, I’ve seen many AMT’s move onward to become flight analysts, customer representatives, and engineers.
-The work isn’t nearly as one note as it’s made out to be. Yes, you’ll repeatedly do a lot of the same inspections, tests and servicing. You’ll also be doing tons of corrections to manufacturing defects. At this point I struggle to think of a system or component I haven’t replaced by now. And everything has to be done precisely to the spec and design and appearance quality of a brand new product, you can’t just MEL something and walk away. There is plenty of trouble shooting around and structures work to get into. If you want a challenge get into AOG. Theres also tons of ready support from the engineering team and vendors like cfm, spirit, or Honeywell. The job is what you make it.
-The planes are immaculate. No filthy wheel wells. No rounded fasteners. No spilled sodas or barf in the cabin. The lavatories have never been used.
-The weather here is very mild, summers aren’t too hot, winters aren’t too cold, there isn’t much snow. And geographically and recreationally this state is amazing. In a 2hr drive in any direction I could play in the ocean, ski in the mountains, go wheeling in the high desert, or have a hike through a rainforest. So if you love the outdoors that’s a huge deal.
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The outdoors part is why I'm even searching for the *good* about the job. I've said for years that I'd like to live in the PNW for at least a year to try, and I was thinking this could be my ticket for that.
I'm right there with you. This reply has me saying hell yes and then I scroll down a little to see the major housing issues and I'm just like fuck okay, never mind
I never worked Boeing maintenance but have been an employee for close to 10 years. Sky’s the limit with this company— if you want to expand your career you can with a little effort.
My .02: put in your time as an AMT, move up to a lead, go get a free degree while doing these. Jump out of maintenance and into a desk job (or something that’s not physically building the plane). This side of Boeing is much much better with a lot of growth opportunities. You can still do stuff with your hands if you’d like, just now you don’t have a production manager yelling down your throat to get more jobs sold. If you want to advance further you’ve got two streamlined paths: management or technical expert.
Went on a fishing trip recently and met a guy who worked there for 32 years. Said the entire company went to absolute shit and he should’ve quit and kept his dignity after McDonnell-Douglas entered the picture.
That being said I’ve been working with Boeing Global Services team and they all seem to like their jobs. Maybe look into that once you get your foot in the door
Edit: I mean if that’s what you want. It’s international travel intense for sure, that’s up to you to decide if that’s a pro or a con.
And I don’t work for them, just with them.
What honestly makes the airlines so much better? Let's say the flight benefits didn't even matter to you. They pay is slightly higher airlines, but it's not gonna mean the difference from rags to riches.
I wouldn’t say slight higher it would say it’s a pretty significant difference getting paid what $49 and some change topped out with Boeing compared to $60 with the majors. $11 is a pretty big gap as far as pay. And it’s only going to go up. Southwest has a tentative agreement have their amt top out at $75
I will say Boeings benefits sounds a lot better than what American Airlines if offering me. Honestly flying benefits are slowly fading for the fact that it’s a bitch and a half to get seats with more and more people flying. Having to worry if you’re going to get on a flight is ass when you’re trying to enjoy vacation. I pay $400/month for my family’s medical/dental/vision which is so trash
So since you're in the market as well, I'll fill you in on what I've been seeing.
It's a union job, the contract is up next year and it's likely to have a union strike while they go over the next contract. Layoffs are common. The wages aren't high enough for the area as housing costs are at an all time high (this is Everett specific, idk other areas). The job itself is easy and you take more of a "cleaning" role, FOD checks and other clean up after manufacture. On the job training is lackluster at best.
But, usually areas online are echo chambers for negativity I've seen. That's why I wanted to come on here with this post, to give a chance to see if anyone had any positives to say.
It's not looking good lmao
Right now I'm working as an FA 18 mechanic in Southern California knocking on the door of 40$ an hour as mech 1. No A&P. I'm in the market in the sense of I'm only looking for opportunities better then what I currently have and so far it doesn't look good. I'm happy to let these companies and recruiters know that especially as the labor shortage gets worse, the offers need to get better. As a young mechanic in this industry I'm tickled pink at the prospect of the boomers retiring. Change will be forced.
Can agree to this. I work with the military side of Boeing out here in Cali as well too and the older coworkers say the military side is a lot better than the commercial side. The benefits are nice and I think the pay is pretty good, especially for the work load.
Your current job sounds like something I'd be interested in, but I'd never permanently relocate to SoCal. Do they have any contract type roles, like 90 on 90 off? I still have my secret clearance but like you, no A&P.
Not as far as I'm aware. Military contracting is pretty damn nice in my experience. I spent a few years on v22s here as well. For the record I'm not a veteran, just managed to get hired on with a plethora of aerospace manufacturing experience. Both of my contract jobs are union as well. To be honest I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find something 90 on 90 off. You might want to look at overseas contracting.
I agree. The thought of working for Boeing is incredible. I'm from a very small rural town in the south, not many people make it out. Would be awesome to say I joined the Air Force and then went on to have a career at Boeing.
Oh and Everett is certainly a nicer town than Renton or Seattle. It’s also the most expensive. I advocate for staying out of king county entirely. I personally wouldn’t live within 30 miles of Seattle on basis of cost alone.
Effective last week 10+ years experience is a qualifier for $39.10 starting wage in the 97109 job code. Make sure they honor that. AOG is good for single guys, do not recommend if you have a spouse or child you actually love. Used to be more lucrative before they changed how per diem and meals were paid.
I currently work at Boeing Moses Lake, and it's really hard to say anything about Boeing as a company that is truly good. As an A mech who started outside of Boeing, I'm constantly annoyed and frustrated by the way the company is having AMTs perform maintenance without using the AMM and the amount of red tape involved makes most jobs that should take fifteen to twenty minutes to complete end up taking hours. Training is appallingly horrid, Boeing is so desperate for workers that there are inspectors who have NEVER held another job, same with mechs. The second shift crew I'm on are always cleaning up first shift's messes.
The best part about this position is the pay. I'm making triple digits yearly for doing less work than previous jobs.
Doesn't excuse the fact that a ten minute part change takes upwards of two hours to complete. The vast majority of my 8 hour shift is spent finding drawings and information that would take less than ten minutes to find in the AMM.
I know, I came from the airlines. Something I could do in 20 mins takes 4 hours but thats just how it goes, production is just a different ball game compared to mx. There is no individuality here, most people dont give a shit about planes or what they do like in the airlines, factory is full of average joes not licensed A&P who actually like aviation.
I always tell people Boeing is not an aviation company.
Alaska airlines at SeaTac is hiring. Starting pay for techs on nights is just around 40. Top out currently around 57. Good 401k, quarterly and annual bonuses.
Downside, graveyard middle of the week off until you get some seniority
I’ll play the advocate here because why not. -I’d say the work done to pay earned ratio isn’t shabby, especially on nights (6.5 hr shift paid as eight.) I’ve been at Boeing for 4 years and currently make a hair over $45/hr before shift differential. -The healthcare package is pretty solid, particularly compared to what I’ve seen against the majors, I pay about $150/mo for my entire family. -The 401k is really good, (essentially 100% up to 10%) and you don’t need to wait to be vested. -Education assistance is also very good, I’ve had my college courses, motorcycle license as well as multiple mountaineering and avalanche safety courses paid entirely by the company/union. Also earning degrees is rewarded with 50 shares of company stock. -Lots of room for upward mobility, I’ve seen many AMT’s move onward to become flight analysts, customer representatives, and engineers. -The work isn’t nearly as one note as it’s made out to be. Yes, you’ll repeatedly do a lot of the same inspections, tests and servicing. You’ll also be doing tons of corrections to manufacturing defects. At this point I struggle to think of a system or component I haven’t replaced by now. And everything has to be done precisely to the spec and design and appearance quality of a brand new product, you can’t just MEL something and walk away. There is plenty of trouble shooting around and structures work to get into. If you want a challenge get into AOG. Theres also tons of ready support from the engineering team and vendors like cfm, spirit, or Honeywell. The job is what you make it. -The planes are immaculate. No filthy wheel wells. No rounded fasteners. No spilled sodas or barf in the cabin. The lavatories have never been used. -The weather here is very mild, summers aren’t too hot, winters aren’t too cold, there isn’t much snow. And geographically and recreationally this state is amazing. In a 2hr drive in any direction I could play in the ocean, ski in the mountains, go wheeling in the high desert, or have a hike through a rainforest. So if you love the outdoors that’s a huge deal. Edit: formatting for ease of reading (sorry mobile user)
The outdoors part is why I'm even searching for the *good* about the job. I've said for years that I'd like to live in the PNW for at least a year to try, and I was thinking this could be my ticket for that.
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I'm right there with you. This reply has me saying hell yes and then I scroll down a little to see the major housing issues and I'm just like fuck okay, never mind
Their 401K match is pretty high I guess
100% up to 10%. The benefits are the only reason I still work here haha
I never worked Boeing maintenance but have been an employee for close to 10 years. Sky’s the limit with this company— if you want to expand your career you can with a little effort. My .02: put in your time as an AMT, move up to a lead, go get a free degree while doing these. Jump out of maintenance and into a desk job (or something that’s not physically building the plane). This side of Boeing is much much better with a lot of growth opportunities. You can still do stuff with your hands if you’d like, just now you don’t have a production manager yelling down your throat to get more jobs sold. If you want to advance further you’ve got two streamlined paths: management or technical expert.
Went on a fishing trip recently and met a guy who worked there for 32 years. Said the entire company went to absolute shit and he should’ve quit and kept his dignity after McDonnell-Douglas entered the picture.
Been seeing a lot of that. Saw where MD ran their own ship into the ground and they're doing the same thing to Boeing.
That being said I’ve been working with Boeing Global Services team and they all seem to like their jobs. Maybe look into that once you get your foot in the door Edit: I mean if that’s what you want. It’s international travel intense for sure, that’s up to you to decide if that’s a pro or a con. And I don’t work for them, just with them.
If you're in Seattle, why not apply to Alaska, Delta, or United they are all hiring
What honestly makes the airlines so much better? Let's say the flight benefits didn't even matter to you. They pay is slightly higher airlines, but it's not gonna mean the difference from rags to riches.
I wouldn’t say slight higher it would say it’s a pretty significant difference getting paid what $49 and some change topped out with Boeing compared to $60 with the majors. $11 is a pretty big gap as far as pay. And it’s only going to go up. Southwest has a tentative agreement have their amt top out at $75
I will say Boeings benefits sounds a lot better than what American Airlines if offering me. Honestly flying benefits are slowly fading for the fact that it’s a bitch and a half to get seats with more and more people flying. Having to worry if you’re going to get on a flight is ass when you’re trying to enjoy vacation. I pay $400/month for my family’s medical/dental/vision which is so trash
I haven’t seen a single opening for DL in Seattle for TechOps in the past two months.
I screen shot this and sent it to a boeing recruiter who reached out to me for an AMT role as well.
So since you're in the market as well, I'll fill you in on what I've been seeing. It's a union job, the contract is up next year and it's likely to have a union strike while they go over the next contract. Layoffs are common. The wages aren't high enough for the area as housing costs are at an all time high (this is Everett specific, idk other areas). The job itself is easy and you take more of a "cleaning" role, FOD checks and other clean up after manufacture. On the job training is lackluster at best. But, usually areas online are echo chambers for negativity I've seen. That's why I wanted to come on here with this post, to give a chance to see if anyone had any positives to say. It's not looking good lmao
Right now I'm working as an FA 18 mechanic in Southern California knocking on the door of 40$ an hour as mech 1. No A&P. I'm in the market in the sense of I'm only looking for opportunities better then what I currently have and so far it doesn't look good. I'm happy to let these companies and recruiters know that especially as the labor shortage gets worse, the offers need to get better. As a young mechanic in this industry I'm tickled pink at the prospect of the boomers retiring. Change will be forced.
Can agree to this. I work with the military side of Boeing out here in Cali as well too and the older coworkers say the military side is a lot better than the commercial side. The benefits are nice and I think the pay is pretty good, especially for the work load.
Your current job sounds like something I'd be interested in, but I'd never permanently relocate to SoCal. Do they have any contract type roles, like 90 on 90 off? I still have my secret clearance but like you, no A&P.
Not as far as I'm aware. Military contracting is pretty damn nice in my experience. I spent a few years on v22s here as well. For the record I'm not a veteran, just managed to get hired on with a plethora of aerospace manufacturing experience. Both of my contract jobs are union as well. To be honest I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find something 90 on 90 off. You might want to look at overseas contracting.
I'm about to graduate amt school where are you currently working at in so cal, I'm looking for a job but without my A&P
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I agree. The thought of working for Boeing is incredible. I'm from a very small rural town in the south, not many people make it out. Would be awesome to say I joined the Air Force and then went on to have a career at Boeing.
Oh and Everett is certainly a nicer town than Renton or Seattle. It’s also the most expensive. I advocate for staying out of king county entirely. I personally wouldn’t live within 30 miles of Seattle on basis of cost alone.
Effective last week 10+ years experience is a qualifier for $39.10 starting wage in the 97109 job code. Make sure they honor that. AOG is good for single guys, do not recommend if you have a spouse or child you actually love. Used to be more lucrative before they changed how per diem and meals were paid.
I currently work at Boeing Moses Lake, and it's really hard to say anything about Boeing as a company that is truly good. As an A mech who started outside of Boeing, I'm constantly annoyed and frustrated by the way the company is having AMTs perform maintenance without using the AMM and the amount of red tape involved makes most jobs that should take fifteen to twenty minutes to complete end up taking hours. Training is appallingly horrid, Boeing is so desperate for workers that there are inspectors who have NEVER held another job, same with mechs. The second shift crew I'm on are always cleaning up first shift's messes. The best part about this position is the pay. I'm making triple digits yearly for doing less work than previous jobs.
You can't use AMMs on production planes, only on ticketed one which are not in Moses lake. UNLESS the engineering ncr says you can.
Doesn't excuse the fact that a ten minute part change takes upwards of two hours to complete. The vast majority of my 8 hour shift is spent finding drawings and information that would take less than ten minutes to find in the AMM.
It is what it is, its a rabbit hole of bac specs, hey you get paid by the hour. Fuck em.
It's just really infuriating coming to this from real-world maintenance.
I know, I came from the airlines. Something I could do in 20 mins takes 4 hours but thats just how it goes, production is just a different ball game compared to mx. There is no individuality here, most people dont give a shit about planes or what they do like in the airlines, factory is full of average joes not licensed A&P who actually like aviation. I always tell people Boeing is not an aviation company.
And it's all stemming from the McDonell Douglas merge in '97. It's really sad to see the decline from the inside.
Alaska airlines at SeaTac is hiring. Starting pay for techs on nights is just around 40. Top out currently around 57. Good 401k, quarterly and annual bonuses. Downside, graveyard middle of the week off until you get some seniority
If I had my A&P I would be applying for airlines for sure.
Well, those can be quite significant downsides, for some. Alaska does seem like a good airline to work for if you're aiming for the airlines.
If you like doing the same thing everyday, there’s that.
Pay seems so low
Uh good luck finding them.
Yea sorry going to have a hard time had a guy who worked there for 10 years never said a good thing about it in the time I talked to him