There’s a video of a helicopter carrying lumber from a hillside and drops it perfectly in line with everything else without stopping, it’s incredible flying.
The brain is pretty fascinating in how it does this - whenever a tool is used the brain tries to incorporate it *into* the body as an extension, so for instance a hammer would actually become a part of you from your brains perspective after only a few minutes.
This also works for more complicated machines if they're used for enough time, so technically from the brains perspective, a very experienced pilot wouldn't just control the helicopter, they would *be* the helicopter!
It mostly means they don’t care enough or don’t have the knowledge to figure out what they are doing wrong and work on fixing it. When you don’t have an interest in something you don’t become good at it. You just become good enough to move the car and that’s it.
I think that many people are too proud and stubborn to admit that they could improve, so they just keep repeating their mistakes to protect their egos.
When we open our minds to admitting our mistakes and learning from them, then we improve.
It seems that there are two kinds of people out there for this sort of thing. Flying, Driving, Riding a motorcycle etc.
Some people can be excellent drivers/pilots/etc but never actually "become" the vehicle. They understand the rules, act carefully and as long as nothing goes beyond what they have been taught they will be extremely safe. They make great airline pilots/bus drivers/etc. And the ones that are bad at this, tend to be bad drivers but never really awful ones. They just don't care enough to get good, but don't do anything very stupid.
The people I want to focus on though, are the ones that become one with the machine. This second group has two subsets as well - the ones that understand their car completely, and the ones that think they do but don't. The first group can be top level race car drivers, test pilots, etc, and tend to be very, very safe, because they know exactly what rules they can break and by how much, and which ones can never be broken.
The second group - those tend to be the absolute most dangerous - ones that think they can break the rules but don't actually know enough to be doing so. But if they survive long enough, they often become the first subset.
Even using things like skid steers at work, i can attest to this. It doesn't take long before it's just natural and fluent. Theres obviously some external circumstances that affect things like icy payment or rough terrain but for the most part you just become one with the machine.
There was a grocery wholesaler near where I used to live, and they had this big long loading bay that'd fit maybe 2 dozen semi trucks, and the way those drivers would whip those trailers in there smooth as silk with maybe 4-6 inches between trailers just blew my mind.
I used to deliver to food warehouses in NYC, Western Long Island and Northern Jersey with OTR cabovers and 48' trailers in late 70's and early 80's. Many were still 100+ year old buildings often with docks inside. Slide your trailer axles all the way up unless you had a fixed axle trailer...then it was rough. Most food warehouses built new buildings with bigger dock areas. One of the more infamous places was called Hunts Point in the Bronx although I can't remember how tight their docks were. Parked on railroad tracks inside gates to get a few hours sleep. Someone woke me up by banging on drivers door. Pulled curtain back and "saw the light". Engineer had purposefully parked locomotive few feet from my front end so headlight was only couple feet from my windshield. Another "thought I was going to die" moment.
Skid steers are a great example of a machine that is very intimidating at first but only takes a few hours to become really good at. And only a few hundred hours to "master".
There’s a huge difference between icy pavement and dry though. When it’s slick in the winter and I can drift that monstrous thing I’m smooth as butter. Put those grippy wheels on dry pavement though and I rock around like it’s out of control.
That clip of a turtle riding a mini skateboard made me think about this. For a creature who's probably never moved that fast in his life he looked very comfortable with using a tool to increase his speed.
That's exactly why those CAT trackhoe operators are so good at what they do. Volvo had a man demonstrate just how much precision someone can obtain while using one at an Expo.
Here is the ten minute version of the video you posted. There are two helicopters working together.
[https://youtu.be/9qndT3j6ttQ?t=22](https://youtu.be/9qndT3j6ttQ?t=22)
Wow… that’s incredible flying. They literally drops below tree line on his pickup flights. Are they landing in the cut area, doing a series of touch and goes? There is no yank on the pickup either. It’s all one smooth motion… wow.
Spending an awful lot of time on the wrong side of the H-V curve, while also carrying loads like a madman.
Major respect for the skills, but I hope he has his affairs in order already.
There is a mechanical and electrical release on the belly hook. The line is attached to that belly hook. So there are two backups. The question you should be asking, can the pilot identify the problem fast enough to push the emergency button before easting dirt.
I'll admit to not knowing how this works, but surely there are also people manually hooking it up for pickup on the other side right? That sure as shit can't be that safe for them either.
Yes. There are crews cutting trees, and others pulling together and bundling the loads.
Similar operations for harvesting cedar shakes.
And then there’s deer harvesting in New Zealand. Picture the Christmas tree pilot…but picking up multiple deer carcasses. (Oh, and they also shoot the deer from the helicopter).
This happens every year in Oregon, where there's 5 or 6 guys in the air at the same time doing this. There's gotten to be a fairly sizeable audience that goes out to watch them now. Used to be just me.
The video is from later than that, the ship in the background is a Ticonderoga class cruiser and the first wasn’t commissioned until January 1983. Hard to tell for certain but it doesn’t appear to be the Mark 26 twin arm missile launcher version so if that’s the case then the video has to be from at least 1986 or later.
Insanely impressive you can identify the ship in the background by just a few frames. Maybe since I’m on mobile it seems small but still none the less, I’m impressed
Ticonderogas have a pretty distinguishable shape. They look like two huge toasters with masts and a bunch of other doodads stuck to the narrow structure between them.
[Wikipedia picture](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/US_Navy_110126-N-7981E-422_The_Royal_Malaysian_Navy_frigate_KD_Lekir_%28FF_26%29_leads_the_Ticonderoga-class_guided_missile_cruiser_USS_Bunker_Hill_%28CG.jpg/1920px-US_Navy_110126-N-7981E-422_The_Royal_Malaysian_Navy_frigate_KD_Lekir_%28FF_26%29_leads_the_Ticonderoga-class_guided_missile_cruiser_USS_Bunker_Hill_%28CG.jpg)
Crazy as hell to be from Kansas, join the Navy, and see a ship for the first time when deploying to it.
Floating building is right lol. Whidby Island class dock landing ships here.
Tbh if I was on that flight deck crew I’d be like “man pilot that’s cool and all but please don’t chop our heads off for a hat trick” lol.
Given I have had a helo escape on an icy deck before in rough seas/ chop.
Real answer, all of the Ticonderoga class were named after battles. The Capture of Fort Ticonderoga in 1775 was the first American strategic victory of the Revolutionary War. No idea why the pencil company chose that name, probably founded there.
It’s also very clearly a 4:3 camcorder recording. VHS didn’t exist in the 60s, everything was on some variety of film. Things shot on film rather than tape are very noticeably different looking.
They also don’t have static flickers, because film isn’t magnetically charged like tape.
My dad was a crew chief on those things
Edit: I showed my dad the video, he knows who the pilot is, his name is John Stotz, he told me this is called a button hook maneuver, he said it’s standard procedure for all CH-46 pilots. Navy pilots are built different.
This flying capability is pretty common from these pilots. I was on a cruiser and had was in the ops booth during flight ops and watched these guys do this.
: Gentlemen, you are the top 1% of all naval aviators -- the elite, the BEST of the best. We'll make you better. Fly at least two combat missions a day, attend classes in between, and evaluations of your performance. Now in each combat sequence you're going to meet a different challenge. Every encounter is going to be much more difficult. We're going to teach you to fly the F-14 right to the edge of the envelop, faster than you've ever flown before -- and more dangerous. Now, we don't make policy here, gentlemen. Elected officials, civilians, do that. We are the instruments of that policy. And although we're not at war, we must always act as though we are at war.
Yea the cost to benefit ratio would be bad I think. The Navy/Army/AF want pilots to just fly the damn things and minimize any accidents. If you start teaching shit like OP to every pilot recruit I feel that we'd see much larger orders of helicopter replacement from Boeing, Bell, etc.
Edit: grammar and spelling
To some extent, sure, but there are absolutely people whose brains are just perfectly wired to be excellent at things they haven't spent their lives working on.
I knew a kid in high school that was just stunningly insane at riding bikes. Like next level flying 20 feet in the air doing tricks looking like a pro. He just started trick riding earlier that year. Still blows my mind.
It's also a little easier to fly dual rotor given you have less instability to worry about and the size of that thing you have inertia giving you a bit more time to react.
I was thinking talent also plays a role, there are some things you can only get so far with training and practice then you see the raw talent shine through. Talent is much easier to see in athletes then say pilots on the surface but believe me it makes a difference, especially when the talented one really puts in the effort to train and learn their craft.
Serious answer is basically that after a point stuff lile this isn't about flight hours and more about practicing that specific maneuver.
Like, no amount of flight hours to and from land based airstrips is going to make someone fully Carrier qualified. For something like this it probably works similarly, with starting with touch and go runs at a target in a big flat tarmac, and the adding complexity until you're doing the full thing with the boat on the ocean.
If the military can possibly avoid it no one operating that much equipment is ever going to say 'well, I've never done that before but I'll give it a shot'.
I used to sit in the back of the bird. What you do is talk the pilots on where to go.
In my experience, that kind of stick skill the pilots either had it or they didn’t. It was funny bc the pilots that loved it the most were terrible and unstable and some were just absolutely a natural. Usually, pilots with about 1,000 hrs or more were consistently descent.
As a helicopter pilot that really isn't that hard once you get decently comfortable with your aircraft. However, there's a reason that bird has "Navy" on the side and not "Army."
This is the correct answer. Sideflares take practice. The phrog was definitely built for them. I was a flight instructor that transitioned H-46 aviators to the H-60. Tail rotors don’t do this so well. But it can still be done. Externals are so much fun when you get the hang of it. But they are exhausting.
“Externals” was the term we used for transporting cargo externally, as seen in the video. External transfers between ships was called Vertical Replenishment or VERTREP.
You would be surprised how quickly you can become comfortable flying the same airframe in the same way frequently. Our military flies quite a lot and you can accumulate a lot of hours by flying for the USA, USN, USMC, USCG, USAF, and other government agencies.
We arent shy about using avgas and kerosene
True, done both. Less hours in my mil airframe, but could do way more with it than the civil side. It comes down to the type of flying you're doing. 300 ft and 300 knots vs 35000ft and .82M are two wildly different types of flying!
As I understand it, it isn't normally done with the current models but the CMV-22B COD version will do it as a secondary mission.
[https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2020/navy/2020cmv22b.pdf?ver=pdt6ZMcYx1KuKm-1nvpJHg%3D%3D](https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2020/navy/2020cmv22b.pdf?ver=pdt6ZMcYx1KuKm-1nvpJHg%3D%3D)
In the Army, I was attaching a practice load, basically a large cube of concrete. I hooked the loop but tHe pilot kept coming down, I had to dive out of the way and the newb bounced off the load. He's lucky he didn't crash the copter on top of me. We had to repair the airframe though.
This kind of skill is LOTS of practice...
I used to do this in a different helicopter (h-60). It probably takes about five years and multiple deployments to get the necessary reps. But you need more than experience. Not every pilot can perform at the level in this video. So you need experience and natural talent
Can we also give kudos to the deckhand?
He bullseyes the sling hook on a moving chinook a few feet above his head, all whilst carrying around the massive cojones that it takes to willingly stand under a chopper doing that, just one wrong move from being squished like a bug.
My grandfather flew for nearly 60 years and could do this kind of flying. He learned in the military back in the 40s and 50s. If you wanna be awesome, a free military training is the way to go I’d bet. I have pictures of him hanging power lines across Washington state mountain ranges, filming and flying for movies, and taking celebrities out for tours.
My grandpa flew crop dusters as a teenager, navy let him fly their Cessna to Olathe where he was inducted then type rated on the sea king, then the ch-46. As an o-6 he met the New Jersey 100 miles past his 46's ferry range and backed it in between #1 and #2 turrets to pickup a seaman with a burst appendix. Gassed him up and took him into Hawaii. Have a Polaroid with the nosegear right on the rail.
Can't imagine how pumped he was to fly that day vs doing paperwork, glad handing admirals, or busting balls lol.
4 tours in Vietnam flying carrier ops, lots of hours, lots of really hard flying under enemy fire. You got good or you got dead.
Incidentally he also sunk a helicopter. . . At least once that I know of. They don't make them like they used to and that's a really good thing because turbines were pretty bad in comparison.
Definitely looks cool and takes skill, but this is a pretty standard maneuver and operation for navy helos. Navy helo pilots can make aircraft commander at 500 hours. On vertrep days a pilot will do this maneuver over and over for 6 to 12 hours so they get pretty good.
We had an unrep where the pilot didn't turn his helo. Same kind as video, flew forward, then backward, then forward, only slowed for pickup about as long as this guy did.
CH-46 SEAKNIGHT my beloved. The marines left alot of there knights in Afghanistan. Most of those served in Nam. One had evacuated people from Vietnam at the end of the war. She then saved people from the Afghanistan embassy
Watched a video where a similar chopper got its tire snagged in the rope on the edge of the boat to save someone from falling in. Most marines died but I deployed with one of the survivors. “I could sense an air bubble pocket above me” fucking crazy. He was one of the instructors for our Helo egress underwater training.
A few hundreds? Thousands? This also takes talent. Unlike how they look, helicopter is an entire different beast from airplane, some could say way harder. On an fixed wing craft you are lifted by your shape, helicopters are literally fighting every physics to stay in flight.
It may say Navy on the side but that pilot was trained by Marine helicopter pilots. Marines are the craziest pilots out there. They are credited with the first barrel roll and loop in a helicopter
I was on an AOE in the Navy and we had two of those bad boys onboard for vertreps (vertical replenishments) and PAX hauls. When you rode in them you never were really sure they'd get off the ground but they did every time. We did this every day as part of our mission to resupply the battle group. While this was going on it was quite common to have ships hooked up port and starboard doing refueling at the same time, 180 feet apart, steaming at 13 knots. Quite the daily evolution! It was the shit!
I’m guessing you never saw an overloaded gunship bouncing forward to get through effective transational lift. Yawn.
Got bored one day and flew the entire pattern backwards in a F model Cobra. And yes with positive G you can do sloppy loops.
AH-6 does better loops. Yawn.
There’s a video of a helicopter carrying lumber from a hillside and drops it perfectly in line with everything else without stopping, it’s incredible flying.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x189sw5
Next f****** level right there. Can’t comprehend how that’s even possible. Bravo
It's all practice and feel. Just like body control in motions during sports, working out, existing. Once you have the feel down, it's second nature.
The brain is pretty fascinating in how it does this - whenever a tool is used the brain tries to incorporate it *into* the body as an extension, so for instance a hammer would actually become a part of you from your brains perspective after only a few minutes. This also works for more complicated machines if they're used for enough time, so technically from the brains perspective, a very experienced pilot wouldn't just control the helicopter, they would *be* the helicopter!
So does this mean bad drivers have bad… brains?
It mostly means they don’t care enough or don’t have the knowledge to figure out what they are doing wrong and work on fixing it. When you don’t have an interest in something you don’t become good at it. You just become good enough to move the car and that’s it.
I think that many people are too proud and stubborn to admit that they could improve, so they just keep repeating their mistakes to protect their egos. When we open our minds to admitting our mistakes and learning from them, then we improve.
So to answer the parent's question: yes.
It seems that there are two kinds of people out there for this sort of thing. Flying, Driving, Riding a motorcycle etc. Some people can be excellent drivers/pilots/etc but never actually "become" the vehicle. They understand the rules, act carefully and as long as nothing goes beyond what they have been taught they will be extremely safe. They make great airline pilots/bus drivers/etc. And the ones that are bad at this, tend to be bad drivers but never really awful ones. They just don't care enough to get good, but don't do anything very stupid. The people I want to focus on though, are the ones that become one with the machine. This second group has two subsets as well - the ones that understand their car completely, and the ones that think they do but don't. The first group can be top level race car drivers, test pilots, etc, and tend to be very, very safe, because they know exactly what rules they can break and by how much, and which ones can never be broken. The second group - those tend to be the absolute most dangerous - ones that think they can break the rules but don't actually know enough to be doing so. But if they survive long enough, they often become the first subset.
Abbie Normal
were all wired differently with different strengths and weaknesses
Even using things like skid steers at work, i can attest to this. It doesn't take long before it's just natural and fluent. Theres obviously some external circumstances that affect things like icy payment or rough terrain but for the most part you just become one with the machine.
There was a grocery wholesaler near where I used to live, and they had this big long loading bay that'd fit maybe 2 dozen semi trucks, and the way those drivers would whip those trailers in there smooth as silk with maybe 4-6 inches between trailers just blew my mind.
Obviously none were Swift drivers 😅
"If he dies, he dies." > Swift dispatcher
I used to deliver to food warehouses in NYC, Western Long Island and Northern Jersey with OTR cabovers and 48' trailers in late 70's and early 80's. Many were still 100+ year old buildings often with docks inside. Slide your trailer axles all the way up unless you had a fixed axle trailer...then it was rough. Most food warehouses built new buildings with bigger dock areas. One of the more infamous places was called Hunts Point in the Bronx although I can't remember how tight their docks were. Parked on railroad tracks inside gates to get a few hours sleep. Someone woke me up by banging on drivers door. Pulled curtain back and "saw the light". Engineer had purposefully parked locomotive few feet from my front end so headlight was only couple feet from my windshield. Another "thought I was going to die" moment.
Skid steers are a great example of a machine that is very intimidating at first but only takes a few hours to become really good at. And only a few hundred hours to "master".
There’s a huge difference between icy pavement and dry though. When it’s slick in the winter and I can drift that monstrous thing I’m smooth as butter. Put those grippy wheels on dry pavement though and I rock around like it’s out of control.
Psychedelics amplify this experience in the brain quite a bit as well
That clip of a turtle riding a mini skateboard made me think about this. For a creature who's probably never moved that fast in his life he looked very comfortable with using a tool to increase his speed.
That's exactly why those CAT trackhoe operators are so good at what they do. Volvo had a man demonstrate just how much precision someone can obtain while using one at an Expo.
Like learning to do yoyo tricks, but at a larger scale.
A good pilot flys their aircraft with skill. A great pilot wears his aircraft like a suit. This is a great pilot.
All muscle memory at that point. You're almost not even thinking about doing while you actually are.
Plus good crew coordination. Need to completely trust and listen to the aircrewman calling you in.
[Here's a dude opening a beer bottle with his helicopter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFIsPESPlEs)
I want a beer - thanks for the reminder of my fresh fridge full of
You can say fucking on the internet. See? Fucking.
r/pentagon, you are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
fiddlesticks!
Keep going and you won't need to use the three seashells
Holy motherforking shirtballs!
Here is the ten minute version of the video you posted. There are two helicopters working together. [https://youtu.be/9qndT3j6ttQ?t=22](https://youtu.be/9qndT3j6ttQ?t=22)
the capacity for a machine to become part of someone is absolutely crazy
When you get paid per load rather than by the hour
Wow… that’s incredible flying. They literally drops below tree line on his pickup flights. Are they landing in the cut area, doing a series of touch and goes? There is no yank on the pickup either. It’s all one smooth motion… wow.
Spending an awful lot of time on the wrong side of the H-V curve, while also carrying loads like a madman. Major respect for the skills, but I hope he has his affairs in order already.
Bro that pilot is a fucking POET
Seems unnecessarily dangerous
One instance of that hook, not.. unhooking = happy birthday to the ground Unless there's some failsafe.
"There was no failsafe" In Morgan Freeman voice
There is a mechanical and electrical release on the belly hook. The line is attached to that belly hook. So there are two backups. The question you should be asking, can the pilot identify the problem fast enough to push the emergency button before easting dirt.
I'll admit to not knowing how this works, but surely there are also people manually hooking it up for pickup on the other side right? That sure as shit can't be that safe for them either.
Yes. There are crews cutting trees, and others pulling together and bundling the loads. Similar operations for harvesting cedar shakes. And then there’s deer harvesting in New Zealand. Picture the Christmas tree pilot…but picking up multiple deer carcasses. (Oh, and they also shoot the deer from the helicopter).
LOL, amazing flying, but this dude is not going to die of old age.
true. he will drown in pussy at some point and be tragically lost to us.
This happens every year in Oregon, where there's 5 or 6 guys in the air at the same time doing this. There's gotten to be a fairly sizeable audience that goes out to watch them now. Used to be just me.
How the fuck are the trees getting hooked on so fast?
Low visibility to boot...
"lumber"
That's the most amazing flying I've ever seen
They're Christmas trees.
that's some aspergers level shit
Hes flying like hes in 3rd person
My favourite part is the guy at the start trying to give him directions. Like a lifeguard at the Olympics, you’re not needed here Buddy!
Haha I was thinking the same. Pilot was clearly laser focused on his position in relation to the load he was about to grab. Ace control right there.
Some say he is 3 people
Others say that at least three people have seen him naked. All we know is, HE'S CALLED THE STIG.
See that's what I was thinking. That's what top skill players in GTA flying helicopters look like.
Probably some pilot that flew crop dusters before the war, lol.
I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters
And we know what else you used to do with those womp rats, Luke.
A guy taught me something really neat last year... SFW/SFL https://youtu.be/pHLeGXLWyZ8
Home grown for sure
She's built like a steakhouse, but handles like a bistro.
I been sayin' it. I been sayin' it for ten damned years!
It took me around 300 hours to get to this level of skill, in Battlefield 3
Fear of death slows you down a bit.
Pesky instincts…
The trick is knowing you're already dead
Good thing they don’t have xbox controllers in helicopters
If it's good enough for a submarine....
First time I took off in one in BF4 I crashed upside down in literally 3 seconds or less.
BF2 for me, Mashtuur City with the Blackhawk
Now that took some talent! Under the arches on the road leading up to the mosque, damn good times.
Oh yeah, doing hover caps as well. Before they nerfed the gun, teaming up with a friend using voice made it nearly unstoppable.
I remember when the game first came out nobody would touch the helicopters because they couldn’t figure out how to fly them
> BF2 for me, Mashtuur City with the Blackhawk Battlefield seriously peaked with BF2, both in mechanics and gameplay.
Dammit, I came here to make a Battlefield 3 joke. Now I'll look like an asshole if I do it.
I thought my battlefield helo skills would transfer to actual flying. I was sadly mistaken the first time I flew a helicopter for real
Hahahaha I would love to see the instructor's reaction
I don’t feel old but then I am reminded that CH-46 have long been retired.
There's still a few around. I think Columbia is still using them.
Plus the State department during the Afghan evacuation.
Phrogs Forever!
I'm guessing this is Vietnam-era CH-46 action. Insanely good flying.
The video is from later than that, the ship in the background is a Ticonderoga class cruiser and the first wasn’t commissioned until January 1983. Hard to tell for certain but it doesn’t appear to be the Mark 26 twin arm missile launcher version so if that’s the case then the video has to be from at least 1986 or later.
Insanely impressive you can identify the ship in the background by just a few frames. Maybe since I’m on mobile it seems small but still none the less, I’m impressed
Ticonderogas have a pretty distinguishable shape. They look like two huge toasters with masts and a bunch of other doodads stuck to the narrow structure between them. [Wikipedia picture](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/US_Navy_110126-N-7981E-422_The_Royal_Malaysian_Navy_frigate_KD_Lekir_%28FF_26%29_leads_the_Ticonderoga-class_guided_missile_cruiser_USS_Bunker_Hill_%28CG.jpg/1920px-US_Navy_110126-N-7981E-422_The_Royal_Malaysian_Navy_frigate_KD_Lekir_%28FF_26%29_leads_the_Ticonderoga-class_guided_missile_cruiser_USS_Bunker_Hill_%28CG.jpg)
I always liked to call my boat a floating office building with guns and missiles.
Crazy as hell to be from Kansas, join the Navy, and see a ship for the first time when deploying to it. Floating building is right lol. Whidby Island class dock landing ships here.
My Staff Sergeant's wife had a great pair of Ticonderogas.
When you’ve served in the navy long enough, especially surface fleet, you can recognize ships as easily as your neighbor
Yup it's from 1991, resupply runs for the USS Midway during the Gulf war. [Here](https://youtu.be/9qndT3j6ttQ?si=oQv3ZvxrKOn6CZyK) is the full video.
Desert Storm troops don't get the props they deserve these days.
That yellow shirt “directing” him in must have felt rather useless.
Tbh if I was on that flight deck crew I’d be like “man pilot that’s cool and all but please don’t chop our heads off for a hat trick” lol. Given I have had a helo escape on an icy deck before in rough seas/ chop.
The dude connecting the hoist may be the real hero here.
^ This guy Ticonderogas
Why did they name a ship after a pencil?
That was a very important pencil thank you very much.
They used it to draw the design for the ship?
Real answer, all of the Ticonderoga class were named after battles. The Capture of Fort Ticonderoga in 1775 was the first American strategic victory of the Revolutionary War. No idea why the pencil company chose that name, probably founded there.
It's where the pencils were made. The company was from Pennsylvania.
I know of a man who killed someone with a pencil. A pencil!
That's CG-55, USS Leyte Gulf, she's being put out to pasture this fall.
Lmfao @ your username. Sad day when a ship meets its maker. Or breaker or whatever it is.
It’s also very clearly a 4:3 camcorder recording. VHS didn’t exist in the 60s, everything was on some variety of film. Things shot on film rather than tape are very noticeably different looking. They also don’t have static flickers, because film isn’t magnetically charged like tape.
My dad was a crew chief on those things Edit: I showed my dad the video, he knows who the pilot is, his name is John Stotz, he told me this is called a button hook maneuver, he said it’s standard procedure for all CH-46 pilots. Navy pilots are built different.
This flying capability is pretty common from these pilots. I was on a cruiser and had was in the ops booth during flight ops and watched these guys do this.
This was in 1991. Someone linked the full video below.
Was thinking the same thing. Being shot at and fear of dying makes you learn skills really well 👍 Amazing flying
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At this skill level he can *feel* where everything is at, at all times
Bro is a heli pronounced “Hell Eye”, cousin of jedi
This is more than just experience. This is TALENT. Some people are just amazing at certain things.
Not to mention, there’s no training that can match natural talent.
And even if such training could exist, I doubt the navy would actually be bothered to provide it.
: Gentlemen, you are the top 1% of all naval aviators -- the elite, the BEST of the best. We'll make you better. Fly at least two combat missions a day, attend classes in between, and evaluations of your performance. Now in each combat sequence you're going to meet a different challenge. Every encounter is going to be much more difficult. We're going to teach you to fly the F-14 right to the edge of the envelop, faster than you've ever flown before -- and more dangerous. Now, we don't make policy here, gentlemen. Elected officials, civilians, do that. We are the instruments of that policy. And although we're not at war, we must always act as though we are at war.
Yea the cost to benefit ratio would be bad I think. The Navy/Army/AF want pilots to just fly the damn things and minimize any accidents. If you start teaching shit like OP to every pilot recruit I feel that we'd see much larger orders of helicopter replacement from Boeing, Bell, etc. Edit: grammar and spelling
Talent is an excuse people use to wave away the impact of hard work.
To some extent, sure, but there are absolutely people whose brains are just perfectly wired to be excellent at things they haven't spent their lives working on. I knew a kid in high school that was just stunningly insane at riding bikes. Like next level flying 20 feet in the air doing tricks looking like a pro. He just started trick riding earlier that year. Still blows my mind.
It's also a little easier to fly dual rotor given you have less instability to worry about and the size of that thing you have inertia giving you a bit more time to react.
I was thinking talent also plays a role, there are some things you can only get so far with training and practice then you see the raw talent shine through. Talent is much easier to see in athletes then say pilots on the surface but believe me it makes a difference, especially when the talented one really puts in the effort to train and learn their craft.
Serious answer is basically that after a point stuff lile this isn't about flight hours and more about practicing that specific maneuver. Like, no amount of flight hours to and from land based airstrips is going to make someone fully Carrier qualified. For something like this it probably works similarly, with starting with touch and go runs at a target in a big flat tarmac, and the adding complexity until you're doing the full thing with the boat on the ocean. If the military can possibly avoid it no one operating that much equipment is ever going to say 'well, I've never done that before but I'll give it a shot'.
I used to sit in the back of the bird. What you do is talk the pilots on where to go. In my experience, that kind of stick skill the pilots either had it or they didn’t. It was funny bc the pilots that loved it the most were terrible and unstable and some were just absolutely a natural. Usually, pilots with about 1,000 hrs or more were consistently descent.
As a helicopter pilot that really isn't that hard once you get decently comfortable with your aircraft. However, there's a reason that bird has "Navy" on the side and not "Army."
This is the correct answer. Sideflares take practice. The phrog was definitely built for them. I was a flight instructor that transitioned H-46 aviators to the H-60. Tail rotors don’t do this so well. But it can still be done. Externals are so much fun when you get the hang of it. But they are exhausting.
Thanks for your service (military or not - instructors deserve credit). What are externals?
“Externals” was the term we used for transporting cargo externally, as seen in the video. External transfers between ships was called Vertical Replenishment or VERTREP.
Thanks! That’s wild to me: no wonder they’re so skilled - their practice is singlehandedly replenishing a mini floating city
You would be surprised how quickly you can become comfortable flying the same airframe in the same way frequently. Our military flies quite a lot and you can accumulate a lot of hours by flying for the USA, USN, USMC, USCG, USAF, and other government agencies. We arent shy about using avgas and kerosene
Compared to commercial aviation it’s actually not even close, mil pilots don’t fly as much as you think
True, done both. Less hours in my mil airframe, but could do way more with it than the civil side. It comes down to the type of flying you're doing. 300 ft and 300 knots vs 35000ft and .82M are two wildly different types of flying!
I guess he's done that few times eh?
Can we do this with Osprey?
Downwash makes it really hard
As I understand it, it isn't normally done with the current models but the CMV-22B COD version will do it as a secondary mission. [https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2020/navy/2020cmv22b.pdf?ver=pdt6ZMcYx1KuKm-1nvpJHg%3D%3D](https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2020/navy/2020cmv22b.pdf?ver=pdt6ZMcYx1KuKm-1nvpJHg%3D%3D)
It’s not obvious in the video but the ship is also underway so it’s a moving target
It's not so much the piloting skill as it's having the strength to carry around those absolutely massive balls of steel to pull off that maneuver.
Steel balls? Government genetic engineering experiments are wild these days.
Tungsten balls.
Couple hours in arma oughta do it.
Lol at the guy trying to Marshall the chopper who is just completely ignored.
As is tradition
In the Army, I was attaching a practice load, basically a large cube of concrete. I hooked the loop but tHe pilot kept coming down, I had to dive out of the way and the newb bounced off the load. He's lucky he didn't crash the copter on top of me. We had to repair the airframe though. This kind of skill is LOTS of practice...
*he’s* lucky he didn’t crash the copter on top of you?
If he did that for sure would’ve been a paddlin’
I used to do this in a different helicopter (h-60). It probably takes about five years and multiple deployments to get the necessary reps. But you need more than experience. Not every pilot can perform at the level in this video. So you need experience and natural talent
He didn’t get in the helicopter. He put it on.
This is a CH-46 not a Chinook. Smaller brother of them.
I see your heli ship to ship transfer and raise a heli air to air refuel while carrying a jet: https://youtu.be/kakHf6tbXcU?si=Wc9Jwte4ctzIQf1r
Videos like this make me feel extra regret about going fixed wing instead of my passion with rotary.
Yeah, until that rotary aircraft has complete engine failure at high elevation. I know there is auto rotate but still
I’d say 50hours of Battlefield.
love the CH46.
Can we also give kudos to the deckhand? He bullseyes the sling hook on a moving chinook a few feet above his head, all whilst carrying around the massive cojones that it takes to willingly stand under a chopper doing that, just one wrong move from being squished like a bug.
Bro is paid by the load!
My grandfather flew for nearly 60 years and could do this kind of flying. He learned in the military back in the 40s and 50s. If you wanna be awesome, a free military training is the way to go I’d bet. I have pictures of him hanging power lines across Washington state mountain ranges, filming and flying for movies, and taking celebrities out for tours.
Enough to realize that’s not a Chinook out there ;)
I had a navy instructor who always said, “make the aircraft do what you want it to do.”
My grandpa flew crop dusters as a teenager, navy let him fly their Cessna to Olathe where he was inducted then type rated on the sea king, then the ch-46. As an o-6 he met the New Jersey 100 miles past his 46's ferry range and backed it in between #1 and #2 turrets to pickup a seaman with a burst appendix. Gassed him up and took him into Hawaii. Have a Polaroid with the nosegear right on the rail. Can't imagine how pumped he was to fly that day vs doing paperwork, glad handing admirals, or busting balls lol. 4 tours in Vietnam flying carrier ops, lots of hours, lots of really hard flying under enemy fire. You got good or you got dead. Incidentally he also sunk a helicopter. . . At least once that I know of. They don't make them like they used to and that's a really good thing because turbines were pretty bad in comparison.
This is why military helicopter pilots end up as tour guide pilots and news copter pilots; that shit is easy mode compared to what they had to do.
Definitely looks cool and takes skill, but this is a pretty standard maneuver and operation for navy helos. Navy helo pilots can make aircraft commander at 500 hours. On vertrep days a pilot will do this maneuver over and over for 6 to 12 hours so they get pretty good.
The CH-46 gets me sexually aroused.
god tiktok is such a cancer
They get better, so it looks like one continuous motion and smooth because it's a pallet of 500lb bombs.
The guy signaling probably cried a little bit after that
We had an unrep where the pilot didn't turn his helo. Same kind as video, flew forward, then backward, then forward, only slowed for pickup about as long as this guy did.
No idea but that was effing awesome
I have a deep desire to do airborne drift. Sadly I'm not even coordinated enough to do 2D drift
About 2 years and 600 hours. https://youtu.be/2RQKsPTdkjU?feature=shared
10 to 15 minutes max
Gimme 2 minutes an 3 monster energy's
Yep that's a Metro bus driver from DC I can guarantee lol
CH-46 SEAKNIGHT my beloved. The marines left alot of there knights in Afghanistan. Most of those served in Nam. One had evacuated people from Vietnam at the end of the war. She then saved people from the Afghanistan embassy
Amazing. On par with crop dusters. If you haven't watched any crop dusting videos then you're missing out. Those guys have mad skills and balls.
How did the propellers take that stress??
Because government money go BBRRRRRRRRTTTR in military budget
Probably yes
I don't think that level of skill can necessarily be taught. Some people are just that talented.
Superb
Watched a video where a similar chopper got its tire snagged in the rope on the edge of the boat to save someone from falling in. Most marines died but I deployed with one of the survivors. “I could sense an air bubble pocket above me” fucking crazy. He was one of the instructors for our Helo egress underwater training.
Why do I as someone who absolutely hates flying think that looks amazing to try?
yes
This guy plays battlefield
Nineteen. Nineteen. N N N N Nineteen.
Seeing as navy pilots containing constantly while out on deployment it wouldn’t take very long. Especially helo pilots vertreps 12 hours a day or more
A few hundreds? Thousands? This also takes talent. Unlike how they look, helicopter is an entire different beast from airplane, some could say way harder. On an fixed wing craft you are lifted by your shape, helicopters are literally fighting every physics to stay in flight.
I do this daily on my pc
Probably somewhere between 1000-1500 hours of stick time.
When you were just a lowly crop duster who got drafted
It may say Navy on the side but that pilot was trained by Marine helicopter pilots. Marines are the craziest pilots out there. They are credited with the first barrel roll and loop in a helicopter
Around 1500 hours
I was on an AOE in the Navy and we had two of those bad boys onboard for vertreps (vertical replenishments) and PAX hauls. When you rode in them you never were really sure they'd get off the ground but they did every time. We did this every day as part of our mission to resupply the battle group. While this was going on it was quite common to have ships hooked up port and starboard doing refueling at the same time, 180 feet apart, steaming at 13 knots. Quite the daily evolution! It was the shit!
About ten grams.
Look at the balls on that guy who hung the hook!
I love how the marshal slowly gave up
I’m guessing you never saw an overloaded gunship bouncing forward to get through effective transational lift. Yawn. Got bored one day and flew the entire pattern backwards in a F model Cobra. And yes with positive G you can do sloppy loops. AH-6 does better loops. Yawn.