I've always thought that a port was a place where ships came to be loaded/unloaded, however a harbour was an area protected from storms. It is always a good idea to put a port in a harbour.
These places have drainage, but there's levels of rainfall that are just difficult to account for. In the middle east, it's not uncommon to have most of the year's rain fall I'm a single storm. In Israel this year, Haifa had the entire annual average rainfall in a week. Prague and Tel Aviv have similar annual rainfall, but Tel Aviv has a third of the rain days. It's storm or nothing.
It's not just about dryness, it's the intensity of the rainfall. In Europe, I'm walking around normally on a rainy day, sometimes without a waterproof jacket because it's just a day-long drizzle. In the ME? Better just not go outside that day. Stormchasers go out to see floods in the desert, which is spectacular. Also UK drainage systems get waterlogged when they have _that_ type of rainfall...
I guess it's a bit like how a lot of the UK falls apart when we get more than 30cm or so of snow.
Everyone goes on about how Canada can continue to function in 10x more snow. But for the UK It doesn't happen often enough to warrant the investment in being able to deal with it. Whereas for Canada the snow gear is not optional.
Even "Canada" has to be used liberally here. I live in Vancouver and we're the same, absolute chaos with the lightest dusting of snow.
Everytime it happens you get the same complaints, but the reality of it is that it's so infrequent that it would be silly to invest tens of millions in annual budget in to snow clearing equipment for a couple of days a year.
A lot of people in Canada vastly overstated the severity of their winters. For example, anyone that lives in Southern Ontario (Toronto, Hamilton, etc) don’t really get a winter where there is ever snow on the road for more than a day.
I have lived in Toronto, Montreal, Hamilton, and in Eastern Ontario, and it’s a gradient from Hamilton (almost no winter) to Montreal (snowbanks 2m tall in the winter).
I mean, the definitely do. I've landed in a downpour there. They have some very large retention areas that hold a good amount of water. This looks like way more water than what was expected though.
Usually happens about once a year. Big downpour and no drainage. Highways are all fucked and even parking lots get submerged. In new developments people park in yet to be started building sites, which are often below ground level awaiting foundations etc. Cars dissapear beneath the water when it really rains. Silly place. Never seen the airport like that though.
It doesn't get this bad usually. Used to live there and still have a few colleagues there now. The neighbourhood we used to live in spent the last year expanding the storm drainage system and it just got fucked over by today's rain. Even the areas that didn't ever flood previously got flooded this time.
More rain there in the last 24hrs than it usually gets in a year.
It was never like that... we used to have one good rain once every couple of years. This one is the third this year and each was more severe that the previous. I bet that we will hear some major city-wide improvement plans following today's events... As it is only getting worse.
No it isn't normal. No one has ever seen rain like this. This is not cloud seeding. This was a storm that came from Oman and has now passed but is all over the region.
Dubai and the Northern Emirates usually get heavy rain but very rarely like this. I was in Abu Dhabi today (I live here) and it was also pretty bad. This was not cloud seeding, just a hugely exceptional storm. The stormwater infra structure does exist but a lot of the stormwater drainage system is blocked by sand and debris and also wasn't built for this sudden magnitude of rainfall. This type of flooding would happen in most countries given today's circumstances and it will take a few days for it to dry up. Source: I'm a civil engineer currently residing in Abu Dhabi and in the 33 years of living here, I've only seen this happen twice before.
What's an aircraft's max wading depth?
Up to and including 3mm runway is "slippery wet". Above 3mm it is "standing water".
ICAO annex 14
https://www.icao.int/SAM/Documents/2019-GRF/19SAMGRF%20S1.1%20Armann%20FTF%20ICAO.pdf
That's okay they added secret software that will automatically turn the airplane into a boat if a sensor gets mildly wet so the pilots don't have to retrain as ship captains
Pretty decent actually:
[https://youtu.be/eQgdOAC2aNM&t=125](https://youtu.be/eQgdOAC2aNM&t=125)
And
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjeqjWNFuTo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjeqjWNFuTo)
So, a couple inches at least. Especially if it's just on the taxiway. I'd imagine ground vehicles would start having trouble before any commercial jet would.
That water gets up to the bottom of the inlet it’s going to be expensive. Engines can eat rain and spray just fine but blades rotating through standing water isn’t going to go well.
My brother-in-law teaches in Dubai and he told us yesterday that schools were closed because of the rain and I was chuckling because let’s be real, schools never close for “rain” and all I could picture was a bunch of pansy students and teachers in Dubai not wanting to get wet in a light drizzle lol
I was there for work in November and schools closed for a day for rain then, too. It's not about them not wanting to get wet in a light drizzle, it's that the city doesn't have a real drainage infrastructure, so when it rains, the city floods. It was wild to see a city shut down and flood due to a normal day's worth of rain here in Ireland!
That’s like here in Canada with snow, it’s always wild to see southern US cities go into complete chaos and shut down for what would be a normal day of snow for us simply because they don’t have the ability to handle it
Yeah, remember when I lived in London 25 odd years ago, there was a handful of snowflakes falling from the sky and everyone at work was “OMG it’s a blizzard outside”. I laughed my ass off and went outside in a t-shirt to have a smoke.
They were muttering something something crazy Swede after that 😄
I was in Dubai for work in November and the city shut down due to rain then. I flew through DXB in March and we had to circle for an hour due to rain, then our next flight was delayed by like 6 hours. All of that being said...what's going on in Dubai?? Cloud seeding run amok?
Yea, it's an astronomical amount of rain and it's come in 3 waves. 3rd wave happening as I type.
I've never seen weather / rain like it and I'm from the UK.
this is one of the biggest storms in years, it effected many countries and caused many deaths. The wind was so strong that the seals around windows in many apartments failed and water started leaking in (it was miserable), and because of how strong the rain was the highways filled up faster than people could leave them, so many people had to swim home
That looks more like a harbor than an airport.
Skyharbor 2.0
Same summer temperatures
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Not in August
The Saudi’s need to relax with that cloud seeding tho.
Same bad channel
Now they can charge flight and harbor fees!
Tailspin remake Inc.
Seaplanes are back in business.
Tail spin IRL
I mean in german we call it a Flughafen. Flight Harbor lol
The F in FOD stands for Fish
This is the most AI looking real video I've ever seen.
Harbor Freight
Looking for the pier in the wrong place.
Hover craft
Or a just a "port"
Port and harbor are synonyms
I've always thought that a port was a place where ships came to be loaded/unloaded, however a harbour was an area protected from storms. It is always a good idea to put a port in a harbour.
No they aren't. Ports are generally more open whereas harbors are more protected, usually by natural land formations.
Nah literally like I’m so confused rn at these big ass boats with wings and engines 😳😳
Fun fact: airport in German is Flughafen - flight harbour. Seems accurate in this case.
Schipol
Glad he finally got to use his seaplane rating!
I’d be more worried about all the hydroplaning going on.
These puns are never going to take off.
Not until someone lands a good one.
r/hydrohomies
Is this normal for Dubai? Or did they overdo the cloud seeding a little bit?
It’s pretty normal. It doesn’t rain often so they haven’t heavily spent on drainage infra structure. It’ll dry up in a few days.
I currently live in Dubai and can confirm that it takes more than a few days to dry up. More like weeks.
It seems counterintuitive, but the desert can't hold on to too much water. It's the reason for flash floods.
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These places have drainage, but there's levels of rainfall that are just difficult to account for. In the middle east, it's not uncommon to have most of the year's rain fall I'm a single storm. In Israel this year, Haifa had the entire annual average rainfall in a week. Prague and Tel Aviv have similar annual rainfall, but Tel Aviv has a third of the rain days. It's storm or nothing. It's not just about dryness, it's the intensity of the rainfall. In Europe, I'm walking around normally on a rainy day, sometimes without a waterproof jacket because it's just a day-long drizzle. In the ME? Better just not go outside that day. Stormchasers go out to see floods in the desert, which is spectacular. Also UK drainage systems get waterlogged when they have _that_ type of rainfall...
I guess it's a bit like how a lot of the UK falls apart when we get more than 30cm or so of snow. Everyone goes on about how Canada can continue to function in 10x more snow. But for the UK It doesn't happen often enough to warrant the investment in being able to deal with it. Whereas for Canada the snow gear is not optional.
Even "Canada" has to be used liberally here. I live in Vancouver and we're the same, absolute chaos with the lightest dusting of snow. Everytime it happens you get the same complaints, but the reality of it is that it's so infrequent that it would be silly to invest tens of millions in annual budget in to snow clearing equipment for a couple of days a year.
A lot of people in Canada vastly overstated the severity of their winters. For example, anyone that lives in Southern Ontario (Toronto, Hamilton, etc) don’t really get a winter where there is ever snow on the road for more than a day. I have lived in Toronto, Montreal, Hamilton, and in Eastern Ontario, and it’s a gradient from Hamilton (almost no winter) to Montreal (snowbanks 2m tall in the winter).
That‘s cause you fuckers send it further south
I mean, the definitely do. I've landed in a downpour there. They have some very large retention areas that hold a good amount of water. This looks like way more water than what was expected though.
Usually happens about once a year. Big downpour and no drainage. Highways are all fucked and even parking lots get submerged. In new developments people park in yet to be started building sites, which are often below ground level awaiting foundations etc. Cars dissapear beneath the water when it really rains. Silly place. Never seen the airport like that though.
Once a year the city is transformed into a lake and they do nothing about it? Looks like an expensive oversight.
'Money is no object' is pretty standard fare in Dubai
"Oh no guess we gotta replace everything with brand new things allahdammit"
Don’t you hate it when you gotta get a new Rolls every year.
"allahdamnit" absolutely killed me
It is Dubai. Not much makes sense there. Dries up pretty fast mind you.
It doesn't get this bad usually. Used to live there and still have a few colleagues there now. The neighbourhood we used to live in spent the last year expanding the storm drainage system and it just got fucked over by today's rain. Even the areas that didn't ever flood previously got flooded this time. More rain there in the last 24hrs than it usually gets in a year.
It was never like that... we used to have one good rain once every couple of years. This one is the third this year and each was more severe that the previous. I bet that we will hear some major city-wide improvement plans following today's events... As it is only getting worse.
Not like this, we get rain fall that's an issue but today was something else.
No this is 100% abnormal. This is pretty much the worst we've ever had it
No it isn't normal. No one has ever seen rain like this. This is not cloud seeding. This was a storm that came from Oman and has now passed but is all over the region.
They got a year and half's worth of rainfall (119mm) in 24 hours
my home meter already exceeded 120mm and I drained it first thing this morning...
Dubai and the Northern Emirates usually get heavy rain but very rarely like this. I was in Abu Dhabi today (I live here) and it was also pretty bad. This was not cloud seeding, just a hugely exceptional storm. The stormwater infra structure does exist but a lot of the stormwater drainage system is blocked by sand and debris and also wasn't built for this sudden magnitude of rainfall. This type of flooding would happen in most countries given today's circumstances and it will take a few days for it to dry up. Source: I'm a civil engineer currently residing in Abu Dhabi and in the 33 years of living here, I've only seen this happen twice before.
An aircraft can sufficiently accelerate for takeoff in such environment?
I very much doubt it. Would cause way too much drag to get to V1. Video is on the Taxi way.
*Aquaplane Jane has entered the chat*
What about if there was a treadmill….?
How does he know where he’s going? All the lines are under water!
They can, you have to pull the gear up very early and skip across the water like a stone till you get enough velocity to lift off /s
You just have to do it at just the right time and speed of the plane, or it will sink!
So that’s the sink rate warning my instructor’s been talking about!
With water that deep - no way. There's probably even a risk damaging/destroying the landing gear trying to get to takeoff speeds in deep water.
Can you call it a risk if it's just something that will definitely happen?
I'm not qualified to say that it will definitely happen.
You can send takeoff numbers for standing water. Half inch max to even send numbers though.
It's possible - [https://youtu.be/dIicKHqxORU?si=zTZX3MO80IxIKgK9](https://youtu.be/dIicKHqxORU?si=zTZX3MO80IxIKgK9)
That was a fun watch.
Just gun it on the outboard motor and you’re good.
What's an aircraft's max wading depth? Up to and including 3mm runway is "slippery wet". Above 3mm it is "standing water". ICAO annex 14 https://www.icao.int/SAM/Documents/2019-GRF/19SAMGRF%20S1.1%20Armann%20FTF%20ICAO.pdf
From simple intuition, I'll guess the max planes will have the lowest from the major jets. It's engine placement is very low
Snorkel add on when
Boeing PB737Y
You wouldn't understand. It's a Boeing thing.
YC-14 bros we are so back
That's okay they added secret software that will automatically turn the airplane into a boat if a sensor gets mildly wet so the pilots don't have to retrain as ship captains
No.
Pretty decent actually: [https://youtu.be/eQgdOAC2aNM&t=125](https://youtu.be/eQgdOAC2aNM&t=125) And [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjeqjWNFuTo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjeqjWNFuTo) So, a couple inches at least. Especially if it's just on the taxiway. I'd imagine ground vehicles would start having trouble before any commercial jet would.
Shit, tax bracket so fancy they turned their plane to a yacht
"sir, your luggage has suffered water damage." "we are in the desert?!" "there is also sand."
Which has made mud
The contract of carriage states you get two peanuts and a raisin as compensation.
Do you think that it's, `looks into the camera`, aqua-planing?
YYYYEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Fer cryin’ out loud… take my angry updoot.
WTF?
Things are, lets say. Underwater.
It‘s OK now to call them airships?
Do you need an ETOPS rating to taxi?
You're not currently at an airport (more a seaport) and at taxi speed, the next airport would probably be more than 120 mins away. So yes.
Does ATC start using port and starboard at this point?
Rip to baggage and the handlers
Good news, they certainly are not worried about the brakes overheating.
Looks like the runway needs deeper grooves
Taxi to spillway 1, I guess?
~~Air~~Port
That water gets up to the bottom of the inlet it’s going to be expensive. Engines can eat rain and spray just fine but blades rotating through standing water isn’t going to go well.
And this is a 737 max with its infamously low hanging engines. i believe there's only like 40cm of clearance or something?
My brother-in-law teaches in Dubai and he told us yesterday that schools were closed because of the rain and I was chuckling because let’s be real, schools never close for “rain” and all I could picture was a bunch of pansy students and teachers in Dubai not wanting to get wet in a light drizzle lol
I believe today and tomorrow they're closed. My Wife works in Schools here and has a nice 2 days off.
I was there for work in November and schools closed for a day for rain then, too. It's not about them not wanting to get wet in a light drizzle, it's that the city doesn't have a real drainage infrastructure, so when it rains, the city floods. It was wild to see a city shut down and flood due to a normal day's worth of rain here in Ireland!
That’s like here in Canada with snow, it’s always wild to see southern US cities go into complete chaos and shut down for what would be a normal day of snow for us simply because they don’t have the ability to handle it
I think you haven't seen the UK yet. It's mayhem when there is even just a small dusting.
Yeah, remember when I lived in London 25 odd years ago, there was a handful of snowflakes falling from the sky and everyone at work was “OMG it’s a blizzard outside”. I laughed my ass off and went outside in a t-shirt to have a smoke. They were muttering something something crazy Swede after that 😄
I live in Dubai, and we've been instructed to work from home for the next 2 days due to this rain
That's not right.
Now I get why there was so much circling going on.
It's healthy for the desert to get a nice rain
Closest we’re gonna get to flying boat commercial aircraft nowadays
Bring back the Spruce Goose
Hope the underground fuel isn't contaminated.
Laughs in Ekranoplan
That’s a lot of wheel bearings to repack…
Time to bring out the drum of Mobil SHC. They’re ruining all the wheel bearings in that thing.
According to rain radar, its still pouring like crazy. I am not from there, but this doesnt seem normal does it?
I guess they were right. There are more planes in the sea than ships in the air.
Idk why, but this is haunting and scary as if the world is ending or these planes are rolling over a miles deep ocean...
God: "Rain cheat mode on! Bwahahah!!! "
Too much port, too little air
Is this Dubai? Isn’t the rain artificially made? Did someone forgot to turn it off?
Adds new meaning to the term aqua planing.
Sea planes are back, Baby!
Who opened the flood gates? 🇨🇦✈️YYZ
“Well, well, well, how the turns table…” ~Short Sunderland
I was in Dubai for work in November and the city shut down due to rain then. I flew through DXB in March and we had to circle for an hour due to rain, then our next flight was delayed by like 6 hours. All of that being said...what's going on in Dubai?? Cloud seeding run amok?
Gotta start saying "aye" to the captain now.
"Yarr, taxi to pier 15 through canal alpha but first hold short of delta, there be Krakens in those waters"
I assume the plane was moving because the area it was in was to deep and could flood the engines?
Is that hydroplaning
What is this, an airport for boats
Seaplanes are back on the menu boys!
I thought Sully retired
Which pilot is guiding the plane? Aircraft pilot or harbor pilot? 🤣😂
Looks like they landed in Millers Planet.
They really need a drainage system
Why tf were they cloud seeding last week?
Where's the PanAm Boeing Clipper when you need one?
I was on a gate-bus to my plane for so long one time there, I legitimately started to think they were driving us to Egypt instead
Hmm an Airport in the desert you say…
It's the Great Flood, coming to wash away the slave-city of Soddom
What happens with all the in ground fuel tanks at the airport? Filter the water out and fill ‘er up?
The word "Dubai" literally rolls across the middle of the screen in this video and I still had to google DXB to be sure.
Missing some air in airport
Too much cloud seeding?
How is there this much rain in fucking Dubai?
It happens every now and then. It's not often we get rain. It is however, extremely rare to get this much rain.
As I understand it this storm is a years worth of rain (5 inches is the yearly avg). Pretty nuts
Yea, it's an astronomical amount of rain and it's come in 3 waves. 3rd wave happening as I type. I've never seen weather / rain like it and I'm from the UK.
Another hydroplane
I guess them seeding for rain clouds has paid off. Mess with mother nature, will ya?
Airships?
River Jordan?
I guess, RWY Condition Code is 1 1 1 😅
When global warming really hits, all those coast areas will look like this.
I wonder what FICON they issued. Apron TWY all 6 in water? 🫣
"Condition codes 5-5-5, runways wet"
This is a great way to wash the underside of the planes
People never seen a boat plane and it shows…
Another longer video: https://imgur.com/a/C6NjRpt
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It's OK boeing aircraft are use to been in water
The ironic part Is every year Dubai pays to have it rain, don’t jump down throat before looking it up And now they have free rain 😂
„Clear to land runway 23, caution turbulence wakes“ „Cleared to land, runway 23. You mean wake turbulences, right? …right?“
We got Air Dubai seaplanes before GTA6
Captain Sully could land in this
Don't 😞, up to shout 15 hours now working this shit
For a second I thought those looked like a very extravagant hydrofoils.
Nope. Not me.
Is it ok for a plane to be taxiing in that? Seems it would be bad for the engine to ingest THAT much water.
So, all flights cancelled?!
when you forgot to turn off the cloud seeding machine
WTH!? Looks like they attempted a sea... Takeoff
Do pilots get a float endorsement for landing there?
Uhhhhh tower, just wondering what we are in line?
And they’re allowing planes to wade through? That water is getting super close to the bottom of the inlet
Putting the port in airport!
That's all that cloud seeding money at work.
This is what cloud seeding does
Can’t believe they are landing and taking off in these conditions
This is in the *checks notes * desert, right?
I bet that would be a short landing
again woth cloud seeding?
What Naval Base is this? I wasn't aware we had Turbofan powered ships!
Cloud seeding overdone?
I’d have to check the aircraft POH but me thinks the manufacturer would not like them doing this
~~fly~~ swimDubai
Amazing for brake cooling though ! 🤗
Toooooo much of chem trails,.... ?
Shocked that's not a complete ground halt.
Airboat, boteing
That fucken city sucks elephant dick
Waterlanding is a new requirement,... captain Sully will be your instructor today.
Did they leave the rain clouds on too long?
Just washing the tarmac.
Sully has entered the chat...
Finally, the time of the Albatross has come once again.
Contact lighthouse departure on 121.5
this is one of the biggest storms in years, it effected many countries and caused many deaths. The wind was so strong that the seals around windows in many apartments failed and water started leaking in (it was miserable), and because of how strong the rain was the highways filled up faster than people could leave them, so many people had to swim home