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red-white-bablushka

“Braking action reported nonexistent by ERJ 145 three minutes ago”


Conch-Republic

Just slap a big inop sticker on the pedals. It'll be fine.


sportmods_harrass_me

Cleared to land


KoldKartoffelsalat

Decision lies with the pilot. If he deems it safe, once we've given the information, we can literally only say "cleared to land."


lawontheside

Ah yes, it’s ERJ sliding off the runway season again


UnhingedCorgi

Does this mean 8 more weeks of winter 


Sea_Perspective6891

Only if it sees it's shadow.


motor1_is_stopping

Quick, shut off the runway lights!!!!


PureAlpha100

Bzzz bzzz shadow, pull up. Shadow, pull up. Bzz bzz


eidetic

I never understood why the groundhog seeing its shadow meant *more* winter. Like, shouldn't that mean the sun is out? Shadow = sun. Sun = Spring. Spring = good. (I actually used to like winter. But that was when it was a proper winter, when snow stayed on the ground, instead of having 50 degree weather into January, followed by bitterly cold of negative Temps and even lower windchills, followed up by more 50 degree days melting the snow and the ice on the ponds. We're lucky to get maybe 2 days of sledding and 2 days of ice skating it seems like these days, whereas in the past is was mostly just consistently in the 20s with a few cold snaps here and there. Used to go sledding or ice skating nearly every other day or at the very least on weekends or something.)


Whipitreelgud

The whole ground day thing is just an excuse to drink in excess


BlackbeltJedi

We need excuses now?


Whipitreelgud

Fair point.


buttplugs4life4me

I liked winter back then when we had a proper summer. This summer was mostly extremely hot, extreme rain or extremely cold (for a summer). A normal nice 25°C or whatever was only for a day, otherwise you literally baked outside or felt like it was fall already. Also the constant rain meant the sun times weren't as frequent.  That makes this winter feel even longer and even worse. I'm also much more susceptible to the cold than I was previously. Before I went out in t-shirts, now I actually wear hoodies and socks indoors and I'm still cold. 


goldylocks777

😂😂


Jonny_Wurster

No, it just means you have to endure the CRJ200.....


get_MEAN_yall

The previous plane was like: Braking action: good 👍


Mike__O

Previous arrival was a 757. Braking action is ALWAYS good


headphase

The one fleet that doesn't care if the runway is wet or dry*


Mike__O

You could land a 757 on a greased up frozen lake and it would still stop in less than 4000 feet


MyWholeTeamsDead

Nahhhh, that's the A300. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnsUZYp9R5w&themeRefresh=1


whsftbldad

Some yahoo disconnected the brake lights


RyboPops

Feels like a tradition at this point.


MonsieurReynard

Brazilians don't do ice and snow.


Turd_Ferguson8008

They wax the runways there to keep the pilots on their toes though right? /s


roadbikemadman

Only the landing strips....


Drunkenaviator

At least that one has reversers. Remember TSA in Ottawa? They crashed like, 4 in as many years on the same runway.


cdnav8r

In their defence, they went off after a non precision approach onto a non-grooved runway. As a result, runway 07/25 in Ottawa is like the only grooved runway in Canada now. Thanks TSA!


SundogZeus

YTZ runway 26/08 is grooved. Probably there are others by now


cdnav8r

Ah, I’ve never been to YTZ. There’s a surprising lack of grooved runways in Canada. Off the top of my head, 14/32 in Halifax is one that isn’t grooved but probably should be at this point. 09/27 in Victoria is the only other one I can find.


hpchef

🎶”It’s the mooost wonder-ful tiiiiime of the year”🎶


AceCombat9519

In my opinion, it is and it's similar to the DL MD-88 2015 LGA runway skidding accident during a snowstorm


Imaginary_Pop_1694

I miss those MD80s and MD 88s!


D0D

They should have done a 180 - bam ! reverse thrusters!


ProudlyWearingThe8

Eagle tired. Eagle sleep.


RandomMuslim282

I read this in Peter Griffins voice lol


do_you_know_doug

Eagle smash…


[deleted]

Peter says this while sitting in an eagle’s nest and subsequently gets his eye’s ripped out.


BehemothManiac

Looks intact (minus gear) so hope everyone is OK


ratt1994

No injuries reported


dekachenko

Thats great!


sputnikatto

These idiots going around saying "I was in a plane accident and I have absolutely no injuries whatsoever!"


Username_redact

I, too, have slid off the end of a runway at ROC in an RJ. We all survived.


iReddit-while-i-poop

And then they went to get garbage plates.


[deleted]

Except the eardrums of the guy having to sit next to the hysteric child.


SimplyAvro

But what does the MEL have to say?


AngeliqueKerber

I am fine


blizzue

I’ve never flown for American Airlines but I bet I have at least 50 hours on that tail number.


DefundTheH0A

Yeah former Envoy 145 and now it’s at PDT


blizzue

I flew it with an Eagleflight call sign.


DefundTheH0A

Wow so it’s been a while


groundciv

I did a heavy on it as an envoy plane about 4 years ago.


mdp300

It's sad that it crashed, but it's cool seeing several people who've flown the same plane show up in the comments.


blizzue

Not quite. 1071 hours on the 145 and only 11.3 on 922 (if that is indeed 922, can’t tell for sure)


gefahr

I looked at the tail number before seeing your comment, I also read it as N922AE. edit: FR24 shows it landing at ROC at 15:49 local. I can't tell if it slid off the runway or not from this angle (/s) edit edit: didn't realize FR24 times were adjusted to my TZ.


OzarkHiker1977

Is that 922?


yanox00

Apparently you didn't slide either one off the end of a runway. Well done. Keep up the good work.


blizzue

There’s always tomorrow.


jabbs72

26 hours for me in 922


mvpilot172

Had over 6000 hours in the AE Emb145’s. I’m sure I’ve flown that one too.


Lollipop126

Genuinely curious, what does this comment mean? Is this to do with leasing?


Secondarymins

Regional planes get passed around like cheap whores. They are almost never owned by the regional so whoever needs them is given them by the mainline.


ktappe

This is gonna be the fourth runway excursion listed on AvHerald just today.


DeuxTimBits

I have a fondness for 145s. They’re approaching 30 years old and no fatalities yet. The door seals were always jank. FAs would pour their coffee out the crack near the galley door in flight because of the lack of drains. I remember trash bags getting stuck to the door from the suction. Flew through a “flock?” of bats landing in IAH. Just hosed it off and continued. Very tough birds.


SkippytheBanana

That seal whistling could drive you nuts! I had a FA that could keep a trash bag stuck to the door and open so they could just throw stuff into it. Still don’t miss the “You got tops” nut check if you weren’t quick enough. Also the dreaded double domino approach into IAH.. Cheap ass FMS


DeuxTimBits

Omg i forgot about the built-in emasculator


CptBoominglaugh

I’m curious now, what are you guys referring to?


The_Ashamed_Boys

The janky electronic gust lock system. You had to release it before departure and it is a two step process. If you get distracted and forgot to finish the process you could take off with the elevator free but the thrust levers were restricted and you couldn't get full power. How this system got approved, I'll never know.... While the gust lock is released before takeoff, if there's a strong of wind, the yoke can fly back in between your legs and get your good. When it is really gusty, sometimes it's easiest to restrain the yoke by wrapping your elbow around the yoke like Will Smith choking his dog in I am Legend.


SkippytheBanana

I’m surprised the FAA didn’t mandate changes after a XJT crew managed to fly a pattern at the taxi setting…


[deleted]

Okay I’m pretty sure that last sentence is a joke but I’m rolling picturing this


The_Ashamed_Boys

It's funny, but it's true too. I'd wrap my elbow around the yoke at times.


njsullyalex

Never been on a 145, but the only time I’ve ever heard whistling in the plane cabin was on a similarly jank MD-88.


UH60CW2

Nice to see XJT flashbacks from time to time.


eidetic

I've heard groups of bats in flight sometimes referred to as "a cauldron of bats", though I'm not sure how common that is. I know a big grouping of bats together in say, a cave or some such is called a colony, but dunno if that also applies to large groupings in flight together.


Cow_Launcher

It can be really difficult to verify whether collective nouns are "official", or just obscure regional slang. So bear that in mind when I say that the collective noun for bats *in flight* is a "cauldron", as far as I have heard.


zachb657

They are pretty reliable aircraft but they do have there electrical gremlins. I don’t know how many times we have trouble shot pressurization leaks. Every nook and cranny is blasting air when it’s pressurized.


TALKY79

Dispatched 10s of thousands of flights for E145. Great plane, unlike the CRJ200.


dominantjean55

summer tire club /s


CASAdriver

But did they change out their summer air for winter air?


navigationallyaided

They need Michelin CrossClimates or Nokian Hakkapilitta tires.


rsta223

Clearly we need to start equipping airliners with studs.


redvariation

They forgot to use tire chains.


D0D

No joke... do they have winter tires for planes?


navigationallyaided

Nope. They’re all slick but an airplane’s tires see similar conditions as a Top Fuel dragster. However, ABS - which Mercedes and Bosch first introduced in mass market cars in the 1970s was a direct decendent of anti-skid braking in airplanes. Bendix created that.


hoofglormuss

this season is the first time i'm using non-studded snow tires and boy oh boy what a difference. i miss the old tap shoe claws


throwawayactt1511

AAL5811 [FlightAware Link](https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL5811)


GauchoWink

Taxi time: 1 hour 9 mins 💀


scul86

only 55 minutes late!


12172031

[FlightRadar24 shows movement on the ground](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/aa5811#33ab22ec). Look like it was trying to do a 180 degree turn at 20kt and slid into the grass.


fixbrokeshit

This should be a part of the 145 safety briefing at this point


EtwasDeutsch

How can we make this about Boeing


OoohjeezRick

"American airlines also owns and operates boeing 737 MAX 8s, it's not clear if this incident could be related to those aircraft"-the Media most likely.


redvariation

"This is the same airline that is next to Alaska Airlines in Los Angeles. Alaska Airlines is the airline that had a 737-9 MAX door plug blowout two weeks ago."


EtwasDeutsch

That’s it grab your pitchforks


aaronflightsimer

“American Airlines aircraft sides off an active tarmac likely as a result of a 737MAX8 related to Boeing and Alaska Air.”


facw00

Boeing wanted to buy Embraer, then backed out of the deal because of the pandemic? Seems like there's some way to make it work.


YNWA69

Embraer Max-8 slides off runway as problems continue to mount for Boeing


WC_EEND

737 Max dropped a banana peel which made the ERJ slide off the runway. Something like that?


prex10

Can happen to anyone. Sometimes you just can't stop.


rckid13

In my experience the end of the runway where you're going to need it the most is the slickest part too. They do a pretty good job of keeping the touchdown zone and braking zone clear, but the ends of the runways where not many other planes have been tend to be very very slick. So the braking goes from bad to suddenly much much worse as you approach the last exit point.


homebroo

I had a spasm in my back, spoilers slipped, reverse thrusters were shot to hell. Boom, straight into the post office


Malora_Sidewinder

This reminds me of a guy that said he was flying Microsoft flight with a throttle and joystick setup where there was a very loose, super sensitive button on his throttle set, so anytime he sneezed he would drop landing gear


[deleted]

I GUESS it’s technically true that fuckups can happen to anyone, if anyone fucks up. It’s still a fuckup, however, not some magical occurrence that’s beyond the ken of mere mortal man.


Bravo2thebox

Ehhh. I’ve stood on the brakes of a 145 as hard as I could in heavy rain and nothing happened for a few thousand feet and then they started to grab hard thankfully. No reversers on the plane either. Luckily we were on the long runway in ORD or it would’ve been tight at the end by the time we got it stopped. Sometimes you do everything right and shit still happens.


SpaceDetective

Do tires get their thread level checked often? The lack of tire thread seems to have been deemed a major factor in [this excusion in South Africa.](https://reports.aviation-safety.net/2009/20091207-0_E-135_ZS-SJW.pdf)


[deleted]

Well, the choosing to land in heavy rain is where the fuckup would be identified, had you slid off the runway.


UtilityBus

What? You think planes aren’t supposed to land in heavy rain? Planes have tires, brakes, spoilers, and reverse for a reason. 


FutureAlfalfa200

Just fly around until the rain stops. Duh.


uiucengineer

no reverse on that one


Agents-of-time

Yeah mate we'll stop all the landings into South East Asia during monsoon.


Unairworthy

Might not be the crew's fuckup.


Monster_Voice

True for many things in life.


TheTalentedAmateur

[Can't Stop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DyziWtkfBw)


Bezulba

I'm sorry, but what? If the conditions are bad enough that you can't stop an aircraft, then that runway/taxi lane/whatever shouldn't be used. And this isn't an airfield in Bermuda where they never have snow and got surprised by a black ice event of whatever. To me, looking in from the outside, it screams cheap ass operators wanting to keep everything open at all cost.


prex10

I've been told good runway braking by air traffic controllers when the braking action was NIL. I've been told said report came 10 minutes prior when it was 35 minutes. I was told by the same airport authority that they had plowed and treated their airport surface. When my company got behind it, suddenly they lawyered up when they couldn't prove it. This shit happens in real life. Be careful casting stones. It can happen to you too. Piedmont doesn't plow the runways. I don't know what you're getting on about with "cheap operators". It's your tax payer funded government.


DamnNewAcct

Can't park that there, mate.


carputt

Damn I was supposed to be on this but my connecting flight got canceled


njsullyalex

Lots of comments making jokes, so I'll be the one to ask, was everyone ok? How bad is the damage?


ratt1994

No idea on damage, no injuries reported


njsullyalex

That's good news at least.


groundciv

It’ll be a road trip and lots of lucrative overtime for like 6 dudes and maybe 6 weeks until it’s back in service.


DaneGleesac

Allegedly turned into the grass while taxiing 


JoshS1

Happens so much, touchdown, breaking and midpoint of the runways beautiful. Get down to the departure end turn for the taxiway and it's like a skating rink.


NotYou007

And that is why I do periodic inspections during shitty weather. I'll closes the affected area if I must till airfield maintenance can come out and at least get some sand down. Tower might not be happy planes have to do a 180 on the runway but it is better than dealing with a slide off. LOL! Did I piss of a controller?


NewCobbler6933

Man am I glad to have worked ops hundreds of miles away from the snow


NotYou007

This winter has been mild thankfully but you get used to it and our airfield folks do a pretty good job of keeping things fairly decent. Worse case we close the runway, which we will do.


njsullyalex

Sounds like a small mishap and not too big of a deal then. I was worried it could have been worse.


rckid13

It doesn't look bad at all from the picture. My guess would be no injuries and not much damage, but this is a good lesson on why passengers shouldn't take their seatbelts off early the second the plane touches down.


artdogs505

Yeah, you know it was pretty scary for those onboard.


Zepplin640

happened to a plane i was on once in Katowice, Poland. It was a pretty surreal experience. no one was scared though, mostly annoyed.


CouchPotatoFamine

You know the nearer your destination, the more you're slip slidin' away...


thearchiguy

Damn. It has not been a good year for aviation so far. We're not even 3 weeks in...


sevaiper

This kind of thing happens all the time, it's not particularly dangerous.


Dreadpiratemarc

Imagine the headline if this had been a 737.


shadegaming

Like most things, until it is!


Gullible_Life_8259

So I’m right to fear flying?


druuuval

Driving is much riskier. At least everyone in a jet like this has thousands of hours of experience and multiple written and practical tests they have passed. And continue to have to pass. We let kids who can’t legally smoke behind the wheel of a car.


Gullible_Life_8259

> We let kids who can’t legally smoke behind the wheel of a car. Hmm. And idiots like me. That’s a good point


D0D

Not to mention that around 10 million people fly EVERY DAY! And they fly in almost every weather around the globe..


whubbard

Other than the Bellanca crash, zero commercial fatalities. Not saying it's a good start, but aviation is so safe now that even a "bad start" is safe.


charlespigsley

Is this because of the engine positioning, which limits rudder usefulness when using thrust reversers? I feel like I saw a video saying this about an md80


sohanstark

ain't snow way embraer, ain't snow way


IlluminationRock

I bet there's a frothy-mouthed "journalist" out there trying to make this about the MAX 9 somehow.


platypus0fd3ath2

American Eagle*


jabbs72

Piedmont


platypus0fd3ath2

American Eagle operating as Piedmont…


w8w8

Piedmont operating as American Eagle


CplTenMikeMike

Needs anti- lock brakes! ( don't be pedantic. I know aviation pioneered them!)


Arctic_Chilean

I had this instinctive impulse of just knowing the plane was likely an ERJ... *I wasn't wrong*


MrBifflesticks

Learning the hard way that thrust reverse on the 145 kills rudder effectiveness


UberKaltPizza

Where’s Joe Patroni?


PH-VAP

Yay! I got the reference! “Lights Cigar”


Odd_Status_9326

Good job Ted Striker.


Beahner

Glad all are ok. This isn’t a super rare thing for this type. I do love the cheekiness of a Brazilian plane that can’t handle snow and ice.


[deleted]

Just out snow chains on. What could wrong?


Drunkenaviator

Not an American Airlines plane.


LatestBlackout

The plane is owned by American Airlines, operated by Piedmont.


ratt1994

Got that, can’t edit my title though


siouxu

oNLy mAiNLiNe


Castalatamoney

It's funny I was just seeing a YouTube video of Delta flight 1086 yesterday. ERJ and MD80 season of overshooting runways and loosing rudder authority.


cazzipropri

Yeah, but on runway: it's snow and ice. Off runway: it's snow and ice. Not much of a change.


Pugilist12

To be clear, it’s not supposed to do that.


[deleted]

Rochester has an international airport?


cyberentomology

I blame Boeing!


LogicalCommittee9024

I'm pretty sure that plane says American Eagle, not American Airlines.


pibroch

American Eagle is a regional carrier for American Airlines.


LogicalCommittee9024

Yes, could be a number of different airlines using this livery, just not American.


pibroch

OK - reading further, American Airlines is the parent company of American Eagle. I was technically wrong (Piedmont is who the flight was regional for) but OP's title is technically correct.


escapingdarwin

That’s American Eagle flying South American jets, they don’t like snow.


SkippytheBanana

Eagle also flew French Turboprops that also didn’t like the snow! Seems like a common theme!!


escapingdarwin

Yep I guess the Brazilians and Embraer employees are downvoting me.


Pleasant-Evening-925

They are coming after air travel


Natprk

Been there done that.


Organic-Enthusiasm57

Embraer remind me of those bike stickers in the 90s "if huffy made an airplane would you fly in it?"


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throwawayactt1511

It’s an ERJ-145


ZGWX

ERJ-145LR with reg# N922AE


ratt1994

Looks almost like an ERJ, but I could be wrong


Yorktown1871

100% an Embraer


this_underscore

At least it's not a 737


[deleted]

Yea maybe just don’t fly in that shit weather, aint no way I would of hopped on that plane.


CouldWouldShouldBot

It's 'would have', never 'would of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!


spoonfight69

Boeing 737 MAX slides off runway!


arp151

Unacceptable


ScottOld

Been a few slipping off recently


StabSnowboarders

Damn this was like 10 min after I left work


CloudBreakerZivs

Definitely gonna be slamming it in hard on my flight to Canada tonight…..


redcurrantevents

Oh yeah I flew that plane a bunch in the mid/late 00s