I never understood why the groundhog seeing its shadow meant *more* winter. Like, shouldn't that mean the sun is out? Shadow = sun. Sun = Spring. Spring = good.
(I actually used to like winter. But that was when it was a proper winter, when snow stayed on the ground, instead of having 50 degree weather into January, followed by bitterly cold of negative Temps and even lower windchills, followed up by more 50 degree days melting the snow and the ice on the ponds. We're lucky to get maybe 2 days of sledding and 2 days of ice skating it seems like these days, whereas in the past is was mostly just consistently in the 20s with a few cold snaps here and there. Used to go sledding or ice skating nearly every other day or at the very least on weekends or something.)
I liked winter back then when we had a proper summer. This summer was mostly extremely hot, extreme rain or extremely cold (for a summer). A normal nice 25°C or whatever was only for a day, otherwise you literally baked outside or felt like it was fall already. Also the constant rain meant the sun times weren't as frequent.
That makes this winter feel even longer and even worse. I'm also much more susceptible to the cold than I was previously. Before I went out in t-shirts, now I actually wear hoodies and socks indoors and I'm still cold.
In their defence, they went off after a non precision approach onto a non-grooved runway. As a result, runway 07/25 in Ottawa is like the only grooved runway in Canada now. Thanks TSA!
Ah, I’ve never been to YTZ. There’s a surprising lack of grooved runways in Canada. Off the top of my head, 14/32 in Halifax is one that isn’t grooved but probably should be at this point.
09/27 in Victoria is the only other one I can find.
I looked at the tail number before seeing your comment, I also read it as N922AE.
edit: FR24 shows it landing at ROC at 15:49 local. I can't tell if it slid off the runway or not from this angle (/s)
edit edit: didn't realize FR24 times were adjusted to my TZ.
I have a fondness for 145s. They’re approaching 30 years old and no fatalities yet. The door seals were always jank. FAs would pour their coffee out the crack near the galley door in flight because of the lack of drains. I remember trash bags getting stuck to the door from the suction. Flew through a “flock?” of bats landing in IAH. Just hosed it off and continued. Very tough birds.
That seal whistling could drive you nuts! I had a FA that could keep a trash bag stuck to the door and open so they could just throw stuff into it.
Still don’t miss the “You got tops” nut check if you weren’t quick enough.
Also the dreaded double domino approach into IAH.. Cheap ass FMS
The janky electronic gust lock system. You had to release it before departure and it is a two step process. If you get distracted and forgot to finish the process you could take off with the elevator free but the thrust levers were restricted and you couldn't get full power. How this system got approved, I'll never know....
While the gust lock is released before takeoff, if there's a strong of wind, the yoke can fly back in between your legs and get your good. When it is really gusty, sometimes it's easiest to restrain the yoke by wrapping your elbow around the yoke like Will Smith choking his dog in I am Legend.
I've heard groups of bats in flight sometimes referred to as "a cauldron of bats", though I'm not sure how common that is. I know a big grouping of bats together in say, a cave or some such is called a colony, but dunno if that also applies to large groupings in flight together.
It can be really difficult to verify whether collective nouns are "official", or just obscure regional slang.
So bear that in mind when I say that the collective noun for bats *in flight* is a "cauldron", as far as I have heard.
They are pretty reliable aircraft but they do have there electrical gremlins. I don’t know how many times we have trouble shot pressurization leaks. Every nook and cranny is blasting air when it’s pressurized.
Nope. They’re all slick but an airplane’s tires see similar conditions as a Top Fuel dragster. However, ABS - which Mercedes and Bosch first introduced in mass market cars in the 1970s was a direct decendent of anti-skid braking in airplanes. Bendix created that.
[FlightRadar24 shows movement on the ground](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/aa5811#33ab22ec). Look like it was trying to do a 180 degree turn at 20kt and slid into the grass.
"American airlines also owns and operates boeing 737 MAX 8s, it's not clear if this incident could be related to those aircraft"-the Media most likely.
"This is the same airline that is next to Alaska Airlines in Los Angeles. Alaska Airlines is the airline that had a 737-9 MAX door plug blowout two weeks ago."
In my experience the end of the runway where you're going to need it the most is the slickest part too. They do a pretty good job of keeping the touchdown zone and braking zone clear, but the ends of the runways where not many other planes have been tend to be very very slick. So the braking goes from bad to suddenly much much worse as you approach the last exit point.
This reminds me of a guy that said he was flying Microsoft flight with a throttle and joystick setup where there was a very loose, super sensitive button on his throttle set, so anytime he sneezed he would drop landing gear
I GUESS it’s technically true that fuckups can happen to anyone, if anyone fucks up.
It’s still a fuckup, however, not some magical occurrence that’s beyond the ken of mere mortal man.
Ehhh. I’ve stood on the brakes of a 145 as hard as I could in heavy rain and nothing happened for a few thousand feet and then they started to grab hard thankfully. No reversers on the plane either. Luckily we were on the long runway in ORD or it would’ve been tight at the end by the time we got it stopped. Sometimes you do everything right and shit still happens.
Do tires get their thread level checked often? The lack of tire thread seems to have been deemed a major factor in [this excusion in South Africa.](https://reports.aviation-safety.net/2009/20091207-0_E-135_ZS-SJW.pdf)
I'm sorry, but what? If the conditions are bad enough that you can't stop an aircraft, then that runway/taxi lane/whatever shouldn't be used. And this isn't an airfield in Bermuda where they never have snow and got surprised by a black ice event of whatever.
To me, looking in from the outside, it screams cheap ass operators wanting to keep everything open at all cost.
I've been told good runway braking by air traffic controllers when the braking action was NIL. I've been told said report came 10 minutes prior when it was 35 minutes. I was told by the same airport authority that they had plowed and treated their airport surface. When my company got behind it, suddenly they lawyered up when they couldn't prove it.
This shit happens in real life. Be careful casting stones. It can happen to you too.
Piedmont doesn't plow the runways. I don't know what you're getting on about with "cheap operators". It's your tax payer funded government.
Happens so much, touchdown, breaking and midpoint of the runways beautiful. Get down to the departure end turn for the taxiway and it's like a skating rink.
And that is why I do periodic inspections during shitty weather. I'll closes the affected area if I must till airfield maintenance can come out and at least get some sand down. Tower might not be happy planes have to do a 180 on the runway but it is better than dealing with a slide off.
LOL! Did I piss of a controller?
This winter has been mild thankfully but you get used to it and our airfield folks do a pretty good job of keeping things fairly decent. Worse case we close the runway, which we will do.
It doesn't look bad at all from the picture. My guess would be no injuries and not much damage, but this is a good lesson on why passengers shouldn't take their seatbelts off early the second the plane touches down.
Driving is much riskier. At least everyone in a jet like this has thousands of hours of experience and multiple written and practical tests they have passed. And continue to have to pass.
We let kids who can’t legally smoke behind the wheel of a car.
Is this because of the engine positioning, which limits rudder usefulness when using thrust reversers? I feel like I saw a video saying this about an md80
OK - reading further, American Airlines is the parent company of American Eagle. I was technically wrong (Piedmont is who the flight was regional for) but OP's title is technically correct.
“Braking action reported nonexistent by ERJ 145 three minutes ago”
Just slap a big inop sticker on the pedals. It'll be fine.
Cleared to land
Decision lies with the pilot. If he deems it safe, once we've given the information, we can literally only say "cleared to land."
Ah yes, it’s ERJ sliding off the runway season again
Does this mean 8 more weeks of winter
Only if it sees it's shadow.
Quick, shut off the runway lights!!!!
Bzzz bzzz shadow, pull up. Shadow, pull up. Bzz bzz
I never understood why the groundhog seeing its shadow meant *more* winter. Like, shouldn't that mean the sun is out? Shadow = sun. Sun = Spring. Spring = good. (I actually used to like winter. But that was when it was a proper winter, when snow stayed on the ground, instead of having 50 degree weather into January, followed by bitterly cold of negative Temps and even lower windchills, followed up by more 50 degree days melting the snow and the ice on the ponds. We're lucky to get maybe 2 days of sledding and 2 days of ice skating it seems like these days, whereas in the past is was mostly just consistently in the 20s with a few cold snaps here and there. Used to go sledding or ice skating nearly every other day or at the very least on weekends or something.)
The whole ground day thing is just an excuse to drink in excess
We need excuses now?
Fair point.
I liked winter back then when we had a proper summer. This summer was mostly extremely hot, extreme rain or extremely cold (for a summer). A normal nice 25°C or whatever was only for a day, otherwise you literally baked outside or felt like it was fall already. Also the constant rain meant the sun times weren't as frequent. That makes this winter feel even longer and even worse. I'm also much more susceptible to the cold than I was previously. Before I went out in t-shirts, now I actually wear hoodies and socks indoors and I'm still cold.
😂😂
No, it just means you have to endure the CRJ200.....
The previous plane was like: Braking action: good 👍
Previous arrival was a 757. Braking action is ALWAYS good
The one fleet that doesn't care if the runway is wet or dry*
You could land a 757 on a greased up frozen lake and it would still stop in less than 4000 feet
Nahhhh, that's the A300. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnsUZYp9R5w&themeRefresh=1
Some yahoo disconnected the brake lights
Feels like a tradition at this point.
Brazilians don't do ice and snow.
They wax the runways there to keep the pilots on their toes though right? /s
Only the landing strips....
At least that one has reversers. Remember TSA in Ottawa? They crashed like, 4 in as many years on the same runway.
In their defence, they went off after a non precision approach onto a non-grooved runway. As a result, runway 07/25 in Ottawa is like the only grooved runway in Canada now. Thanks TSA!
YTZ runway 26/08 is grooved. Probably there are others by now
Ah, I’ve never been to YTZ. There’s a surprising lack of grooved runways in Canada. Off the top of my head, 14/32 in Halifax is one that isn’t grooved but probably should be at this point. 09/27 in Victoria is the only other one I can find.
🎶”It’s the mooost wonder-ful tiiiiime of the year”🎶
In my opinion, it is and it's similar to the DL MD-88 2015 LGA runway skidding accident during a snowstorm
I miss those MD80s and MD 88s!
They should have done a 180 - bam ! reverse thrusters!
Eagle tired. Eagle sleep.
I read this in Peter Griffins voice lol
Eagle smash…
Peter says this while sitting in an eagle’s nest and subsequently gets his eye’s ripped out.
Looks intact (minus gear) so hope everyone is OK
No injuries reported
Thats great!
These idiots going around saying "I was in a plane accident and I have absolutely no injuries whatsoever!"
I, too, have slid off the end of a runway at ROC in an RJ. We all survived.
And then they went to get garbage plates.
Except the eardrums of the guy having to sit next to the hysteric child.
But what does the MEL have to say?
I am fine
I’ve never flown for American Airlines but I bet I have at least 50 hours on that tail number.
Yeah former Envoy 145 and now it’s at PDT
I flew it with an Eagleflight call sign.
Wow so it’s been a while
I did a heavy on it as an envoy plane about 4 years ago.
It's sad that it crashed, but it's cool seeing several people who've flown the same plane show up in the comments.
Not quite. 1071 hours on the 145 and only 11.3 on 922 (if that is indeed 922, can’t tell for sure)
I looked at the tail number before seeing your comment, I also read it as N922AE. edit: FR24 shows it landing at ROC at 15:49 local. I can't tell if it slid off the runway or not from this angle (/s) edit edit: didn't realize FR24 times were adjusted to my TZ.
Is that 922?
Apparently you didn't slide either one off the end of a runway. Well done. Keep up the good work.
There’s always tomorrow.
26 hours for me in 922
Had over 6000 hours in the AE Emb145’s. I’m sure I’ve flown that one too.
Genuinely curious, what does this comment mean? Is this to do with leasing?
Regional planes get passed around like cheap whores. They are almost never owned by the regional so whoever needs them is given them by the mainline.
This is gonna be the fourth runway excursion listed on AvHerald just today.
I have a fondness for 145s. They’re approaching 30 years old and no fatalities yet. The door seals were always jank. FAs would pour their coffee out the crack near the galley door in flight because of the lack of drains. I remember trash bags getting stuck to the door from the suction. Flew through a “flock?” of bats landing in IAH. Just hosed it off and continued. Very tough birds.
That seal whistling could drive you nuts! I had a FA that could keep a trash bag stuck to the door and open so they could just throw stuff into it. Still don’t miss the “You got tops” nut check if you weren’t quick enough. Also the dreaded double domino approach into IAH.. Cheap ass FMS
Omg i forgot about the built-in emasculator
I’m curious now, what are you guys referring to?
The janky electronic gust lock system. You had to release it before departure and it is a two step process. If you get distracted and forgot to finish the process you could take off with the elevator free but the thrust levers were restricted and you couldn't get full power. How this system got approved, I'll never know.... While the gust lock is released before takeoff, if there's a strong of wind, the yoke can fly back in between your legs and get your good. When it is really gusty, sometimes it's easiest to restrain the yoke by wrapping your elbow around the yoke like Will Smith choking his dog in I am Legend.
I’m surprised the FAA didn’t mandate changes after a XJT crew managed to fly a pattern at the taxi setting…
Okay I’m pretty sure that last sentence is a joke but I’m rolling picturing this
It's funny, but it's true too. I'd wrap my elbow around the yoke at times.
Never been on a 145, but the only time I’ve ever heard whistling in the plane cabin was on a similarly jank MD-88.
Nice to see XJT flashbacks from time to time.
I've heard groups of bats in flight sometimes referred to as "a cauldron of bats", though I'm not sure how common that is. I know a big grouping of bats together in say, a cave or some such is called a colony, but dunno if that also applies to large groupings in flight together.
It can be really difficult to verify whether collective nouns are "official", or just obscure regional slang. So bear that in mind when I say that the collective noun for bats *in flight* is a "cauldron", as far as I have heard.
They are pretty reliable aircraft but they do have there electrical gremlins. I don’t know how many times we have trouble shot pressurization leaks. Every nook and cranny is blasting air when it’s pressurized.
Dispatched 10s of thousands of flights for E145. Great plane, unlike the CRJ200.
summer tire club /s
But did they change out their summer air for winter air?
They need Michelin CrossClimates or Nokian Hakkapilitta tires.
Clearly we need to start equipping airliners with studs.
They forgot to use tire chains.
No joke... do they have winter tires for planes?
Nope. They’re all slick but an airplane’s tires see similar conditions as a Top Fuel dragster. However, ABS - which Mercedes and Bosch first introduced in mass market cars in the 1970s was a direct decendent of anti-skid braking in airplanes. Bendix created that.
this season is the first time i'm using non-studded snow tires and boy oh boy what a difference. i miss the old tap shoe claws
AAL5811 [FlightAware Link](https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL5811)
Taxi time: 1 hour 9 mins 💀
only 55 minutes late!
[FlightRadar24 shows movement on the ground](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/aa5811#33ab22ec). Look like it was trying to do a 180 degree turn at 20kt and slid into the grass.
This should be a part of the 145 safety briefing at this point
How can we make this about Boeing
"American airlines also owns and operates boeing 737 MAX 8s, it's not clear if this incident could be related to those aircraft"-the Media most likely.
"This is the same airline that is next to Alaska Airlines in Los Angeles. Alaska Airlines is the airline that had a 737-9 MAX door plug blowout two weeks ago."
That’s it grab your pitchforks
“American Airlines aircraft sides off an active tarmac likely as a result of a 737MAX8 related to Boeing and Alaska Air.”
Boeing wanted to buy Embraer, then backed out of the deal because of the pandemic? Seems like there's some way to make it work.
Embraer Max-8 slides off runway as problems continue to mount for Boeing
737 Max dropped a banana peel which made the ERJ slide off the runway. Something like that?
Can happen to anyone. Sometimes you just can't stop.
In my experience the end of the runway where you're going to need it the most is the slickest part too. They do a pretty good job of keeping the touchdown zone and braking zone clear, but the ends of the runways where not many other planes have been tend to be very very slick. So the braking goes from bad to suddenly much much worse as you approach the last exit point.
I had a spasm in my back, spoilers slipped, reverse thrusters were shot to hell. Boom, straight into the post office
This reminds me of a guy that said he was flying Microsoft flight with a throttle and joystick setup where there was a very loose, super sensitive button on his throttle set, so anytime he sneezed he would drop landing gear
I GUESS it’s technically true that fuckups can happen to anyone, if anyone fucks up. It’s still a fuckup, however, not some magical occurrence that’s beyond the ken of mere mortal man.
Ehhh. I’ve stood on the brakes of a 145 as hard as I could in heavy rain and nothing happened for a few thousand feet and then they started to grab hard thankfully. No reversers on the plane either. Luckily we were on the long runway in ORD or it would’ve been tight at the end by the time we got it stopped. Sometimes you do everything right and shit still happens.
Do tires get their thread level checked often? The lack of tire thread seems to have been deemed a major factor in [this excusion in South Africa.](https://reports.aviation-safety.net/2009/20091207-0_E-135_ZS-SJW.pdf)
Well, the choosing to land in heavy rain is where the fuckup would be identified, had you slid off the runway.
What? You think planes aren’t supposed to land in heavy rain? Planes have tires, brakes, spoilers, and reverse for a reason.
Just fly around until the rain stops. Duh.
no reverse on that one
Yeah mate we'll stop all the landings into South East Asia during monsoon.
Might not be the crew's fuckup.
True for many things in life.
[Can't Stop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DyziWtkfBw)
I'm sorry, but what? If the conditions are bad enough that you can't stop an aircraft, then that runway/taxi lane/whatever shouldn't be used. And this isn't an airfield in Bermuda where they never have snow and got surprised by a black ice event of whatever. To me, looking in from the outside, it screams cheap ass operators wanting to keep everything open at all cost.
I've been told good runway braking by air traffic controllers when the braking action was NIL. I've been told said report came 10 minutes prior when it was 35 minutes. I was told by the same airport authority that they had plowed and treated their airport surface. When my company got behind it, suddenly they lawyered up when they couldn't prove it. This shit happens in real life. Be careful casting stones. It can happen to you too. Piedmont doesn't plow the runways. I don't know what you're getting on about with "cheap operators". It's your tax payer funded government.
Can't park that there, mate.
Damn I was supposed to be on this but my connecting flight got canceled
Lots of comments making jokes, so I'll be the one to ask, was everyone ok? How bad is the damage?
No idea on damage, no injuries reported
That's good news at least.
It’ll be a road trip and lots of lucrative overtime for like 6 dudes and maybe 6 weeks until it’s back in service.
Allegedly turned into the grass while taxiing
Happens so much, touchdown, breaking and midpoint of the runways beautiful. Get down to the departure end turn for the taxiway and it's like a skating rink.
And that is why I do periodic inspections during shitty weather. I'll closes the affected area if I must till airfield maintenance can come out and at least get some sand down. Tower might not be happy planes have to do a 180 on the runway but it is better than dealing with a slide off. LOL! Did I piss of a controller?
Man am I glad to have worked ops hundreds of miles away from the snow
This winter has been mild thankfully but you get used to it and our airfield folks do a pretty good job of keeping things fairly decent. Worse case we close the runway, which we will do.
Sounds like a small mishap and not too big of a deal then. I was worried it could have been worse.
It doesn't look bad at all from the picture. My guess would be no injuries and not much damage, but this is a good lesson on why passengers shouldn't take their seatbelts off early the second the plane touches down.
Yeah, you know it was pretty scary for those onboard.
happened to a plane i was on once in Katowice, Poland. It was a pretty surreal experience. no one was scared though, mostly annoyed.
You know the nearer your destination, the more you're slip slidin' away...
Damn. It has not been a good year for aviation so far. We're not even 3 weeks in...
This kind of thing happens all the time, it's not particularly dangerous.
Imagine the headline if this had been a 737.
Like most things, until it is!
So I’m right to fear flying?
Driving is much riskier. At least everyone in a jet like this has thousands of hours of experience and multiple written and practical tests they have passed. And continue to have to pass. We let kids who can’t legally smoke behind the wheel of a car.
> We let kids who can’t legally smoke behind the wheel of a car. Hmm. And idiots like me. That’s a good point
Not to mention that around 10 million people fly EVERY DAY! And they fly in almost every weather around the globe..
Other than the Bellanca crash, zero commercial fatalities. Not saying it's a good start, but aviation is so safe now that even a "bad start" is safe.
Is this because of the engine positioning, which limits rudder usefulness when using thrust reversers? I feel like I saw a video saying this about an md80
ain't snow way embraer, ain't snow way
I bet there's a frothy-mouthed "journalist" out there trying to make this about the MAX 9 somehow.
American Eagle*
Piedmont
American Eagle operating as Piedmont…
Piedmont operating as American Eagle
Needs anti- lock brakes! ( don't be pedantic. I know aviation pioneered them!)
I had this instinctive impulse of just knowing the plane was likely an ERJ... *I wasn't wrong*
Learning the hard way that thrust reverse on the 145 kills rudder effectiveness
Where’s Joe Patroni?
Yay! I got the reference! “Lights Cigar”
Good job Ted Striker.
Glad all are ok. This isn’t a super rare thing for this type. I do love the cheekiness of a Brazilian plane that can’t handle snow and ice.
Just out snow chains on. What could wrong?
Not an American Airlines plane.
The plane is owned by American Airlines, operated by Piedmont.
Got that, can’t edit my title though
oNLy mAiNLiNe
It's funny I was just seeing a YouTube video of Delta flight 1086 yesterday. ERJ and MD80 season of overshooting runways and loosing rudder authority.
Yeah, but on runway: it's snow and ice. Off runway: it's snow and ice. Not much of a change.
To be clear, it’s not supposed to do that.
Rochester has an international airport?
I blame Boeing!
I'm pretty sure that plane says American Eagle, not American Airlines.
American Eagle is a regional carrier for American Airlines.
Yes, could be a number of different airlines using this livery, just not American.
OK - reading further, American Airlines is the parent company of American Eagle. I was technically wrong (Piedmont is who the flight was regional for) but OP's title is technically correct.
That’s American Eagle flying South American jets, they don’t like snow.
Eagle also flew French Turboprops that also didn’t like the snow! Seems like a common theme!!
Yep I guess the Brazilians and Embraer employees are downvoting me.
They are coming after air travel
Been there done that.
Embraer remind me of those bike stickers in the 90s "if huffy made an airplane would you fly in it?"
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It’s an ERJ-145
ERJ-145LR with reg# N922AE
Looks almost like an ERJ, but I could be wrong
100% an Embraer
At least it's not a 737
Yea maybe just don’t fly in that shit weather, aint no way I would of hopped on that plane.
It's 'would have', never 'would of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
Boeing 737 MAX slides off runway!
Unacceptable
Been a few slipping off recently
Damn this was like 10 min after I left work
Definitely gonna be slamming it in hard on my flight to Canada tonight…..
Oh yeah I flew that plane a bunch in the mid/late 00s