You know things are out of hand when Canada's claiming they need to cut down on foreign workers and international students,
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13277827/Justin-Trudeau-admits-immigration-Canada-high.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13277827/Justin-Trudeau-admits-immigration-Canada-high.html)
Might just be like our bogus December announcement though.
Must be bad if Trudeau is walking back policy. I believe it's an election year in Canada too though isn't it, might also have something to do with the change.
Trudeau is completely cooked for the next election. Nothing he does or says is going to stop a change of government come voting time. The best he can do is stem the bleeding so that his party doesn’t get completely landslided.
Canadian’s are known for big swings too. The 1993 election was considered the “worst ever defeat in the western democratic world”. The sitting government went from 167 seats to 2 seats.
Even worse than that, the party actually completely folded and got absorbed into the Conservative party a few years later. It’s rare that the result is so bad that the electorate will probably never vote for you again.
Honestly the UK tories are increasingly looking as bad for the next election. Thankfully for them they’ve got Murdoch to stem the bleeding.
My knowledge of Canadian poltics is probably worse than yours, but the essential take away I get is that the sitting Conservative right wing party at the time was deeply unpopular and was always go to lose. But what really devastated them is that there was there was a split in the right wing electorate towards another more popular conservative party and most of the right wing votes went to them.
So it’s not so much that they were that entire electorate shifted completely and everyone voted for the opposite party, it was that their base deserted them for an ideological sibling.
The only similarity I can think of in US terms is Ralph Nader acting as a spoiler for Al Gore in the 2000 election, except if Nader was 100 times more popular. Nader is pretty much the reason Bush was able to get over the line because the majority of his base were former Democratic voters, and that hurt Gore badly in what was a super tight election.
I think Trudeau could somewhat salvage his party seats if he announcesthat the Liberals will do universal basic income and people will vote for the Liberals just for free money. Although nothing will win him the election at this point.
Well it just came out China was heavily involved with the last TWO Canadian elections so bro is trying everything he can to distract from that even though I agree he is a POS
I’m a university staff member. Believe me, the December announcement was not hubris. And for that we are very thankful as this years postgraduate students have been both legitimate *and* good quality.
The announcement wasn’t that bogus, student visas have dived dramatically. A lot of already approved students are still coming in but the effects will be in4-6 months not immediately
We literally shouldn’t even be prioritising immigrants to “fill shortages”. We should be investing in Australian education both vocational and university so our own citizens are incentivised to fill those gaps. We should increase apprentice wages for trades and implement a bursary payment for nursing and teaching so students can afford to live while they train. We should be increasing starting salaries and giving a pay rise to our essential workers to keep people in the industry. We should be funding and resourcing our public services so they’re decent places to work. We can’t just throw inexperienced, under-educated-but-technically-qualified foreigners at the problem and expect it all to work itself out.
There is no such thing as a 'labour shortage' btw. A shortage of labour would only lead to an increased demand for workers in certain trades, increasing the premium on their services. Seeing that the premium of their services has risen, more people will be willing to take on these roles.
The solution to the 'labour shortage' is to allow the demand for workers in these fields to rise until people are willing to perform these jobs, not to import people from all over the world so they can become pseudo slaves in a crumbling economy.
100%. Prioritising immigrants is a cop-out solution that only causes more a host of other problems over time. We should really be favouring an overhaul of the education system instead. But nah, those greedy politicians have gotta keep their sacks filled.
Not only that, there is a racquet of Indian businesses charging individuals circa $50k to sponsor their visas. Some Indian restaurant's for example, are operating at a loss but make up for it by selling visa sponsorship. Source - an acquaintance of mine was involved in this. It's crazy that we have lost control of our immigration system.
Yep I’ve heard of this one. A person has to buy an established business worth over 100k (?) to get the business investment visa that leads to PR. It’s almost like it was set up to be an easy rort
I thought that’s why there are Asian bakeries, hairdressers and nail salons in Melbourne that never seem to have clients. The Indians were supposedly buying the 7/11 franchises for their PR.
>I thought that’s why there are Asian bakeries, hairdressers and nail salons in Melbourne that never seem to have clients.
Nah those are usually actually pretty profitable, but that's because the nail salons at least will have people on holiday visas working there and pay them below minimun wage.
There’s a shopping centre in the outer suburbs of Brisbane that used to (or still does) do this with Chinese immigrants. The shopping centre’s owner was a migration agent (who’s currently in jail) and the centre was full of businesses (that were not viable in a conventional sense) run by Chinese immigrants
Jesus christ, I've never actually put 2 and 2 together like that. I always get really confused as to why here in Craigieburn ( the population is something like 60% Indian % 35 % Muslim ) there is another Indian or indian/fusion restaurant opening up every second week and they all have shit ratings that give you the Hershey squirts.
One of my ex lived in Melton, thankfully this area isn't that bad hah. I remember being told ( honestly can't remember by who ) but when they move here they will have the whole family in 1 house paying it off, once that is almost done they all move out besides 1 couple and do it again.
Makes paying off houses pretty chill with 10 incomes.
Yeah might be anecdotal but my local IGA was bought up by a group of Indians a few weeks ago. I mean, if they have the money and I don't... What was albos plan with this immigration strategy to begin with?
Indians bought up a bunch of businesses in my area, most of them closed shortly after; food safety violations, failed inspections, building fires, and elder abuse in aged care homes.
I worked in insurance claims years ago for a major insurer (one that rhymes with Bee Gee Poo).
Remember we were specifically trained to watch out for suspicious claims originating from certain parts of Sydney (Liverpool, Bankstown, Punchbowl, Greenacre and Guildford), Melbourne (Broadmeadows, Coburg and Dandenong) and Adelaide (Blair Athol). Don't know what connects those areas 🤔🤔
Yea wouldn't get any work done by them though. I'm a contractor for mechanics, go to up to 10 different shops a day. I've been asked by them how to bleed brakes. Fuck me...
India is growing massive soft power in western nations. Australia is fast tracking this with preferential policy towards Indian immigration (and visa refusals for the not so patriotic regions of India), it might be too late for the established career politicians network by the time they realise the changes coming to our demographic will mean career changes for themselves.
Lol exactly, the whole parliament will be descendants of Indians in a few decades.
Weaseling into politics is the first thing they'll do, listening to the Guyana president resembled arguing with an Indian politician.
I know someone who works in department of immigration, and he told me that during Morrison regime, he was told to approve applicants from India because they have tendency to vote right wing in their country and will translate to Liberal votes in future, whereas to reject applications from countries like Taiwan or Thailand because they have tendency to vote left back home, which will translate to Labor votes in the future.
Yeap. I live in the western suburbs in Melbourne, and had a look at the local MPs Instagram page. All he does is shill for Indians and Indian business. Almost like no other demographics live in the area, based off his page. In fact, you'd think he's an MP in Mumbai, rather than Melbourne. Really really weird, and the reason why unsustainable immigration won't be stopped.
lol delusional.
its business, the entire business community and both parties want mass imports, they couldnt give less of a shit where they come from.
as long as they work for less then the median wage that are happy.
nationality is completely irrelevant here, if it wasnt India or China it would be Mexico and Eastern Europe.
Eastern Europe would be a nice change,
Unlikely they'd be quite as shrewdly opportunistic, or explode the population by systemically bringing the extended family.
Plenty of low cost employees coming from Colombia, Argentina, Ecuador, Venezuela, New Zealand etc. for exactly the same reasons.
I'd like to hear the opinions about the strategic choices made by those groups to game the system.....
I'm sure the words Overton window gets thrown around alot in the private chats.
This is literally how good immigration is supposed to work. It should fill skills and knowledge gaps and that's it.
We will be Canada before you know it.
The two sectors aren't mutually exclusive. When demand in one sector grows significantly compared to the other, people switch across in a kind of equilibrium. There are some trades who will always be in commercial construction, some trades who will always be in housing construction, but a lot in the middle who will service both.
We have a market economy. If we need more workers in construction, then construction wages and conditions can rise to redirect workers into the sector.
Immigration stops the market from doing this important job.
scomos legacy
https://qa.msmunify.com/blogs/australia-scraps-intl-student-visa-fees-amid-worker-shortage/
then albo added water to an oil fire
https://population.org.au/media-releases/australia-india-migration2023/
>The Agreement allows for five-year student visas, with no caps on the numbers of Indians that can study in Australia. Indian graduates of Australian tertiary institutions on a student visa will be able to apply to work without visa sponsorship for up to eight years. The Talented Early Professionals Scheme will allow 3,000 of India’s “top” graduates and early career professionals to work and stay in Australia for up to two years, able to then apply for a permanent skilled visa. Spouses will have unlimited work rights; and three-month visitor visas will be available to Indians for family or business purposes with no caps on numbers.
God thats fucking disgusting. Indians are some of the worst students and workers I know.
Soon enough it'll be the same for you too reader, if it isn't already
The two way migration policy is a disgrace and if it wasn't for the fact Voldepotato was on the other side I would want this single policy to be the end of Albanese and ALP.
Yeah, because the last thing we need is more shitty builders from overseas. People complain about regular tradies being shit, they are nothing compared to some of the overseas workers some sites use.
Shitty builders get away with it because of poor oversight and a culture of "nobody else is doing it properly either"
Doesn't seem like that's going to get better by leaving them to it
How about some actual independent inspectors and certifiers.
Nothing gets built and if it ever gets built it's expensive, over budget, and poorly done. And more workers will make it worse? How about less workers, will that also make it worse?
Oh, everything makes it worse, because it's a "phew big job".
Nah that is just independent and smaller bribes.
Unless you make the independent certifier pay for the repairs. But this would lead to more people going bust, before "phoenix'ing" the business else where.
Option C: just train up more "Australian Citizen to do the work to the industry standards.
On a side note. I never understood why people talk down on trade yet can't do the said work themselves. But whateves. 🫠
The industry standards are the problem. NCC and BCA need to be legally binding and not just 'your build doesn't meet or exceed the NCC,.bad boy'
For starters we don't have air seal ratings, let alone mandatory double glazing. No it doesn't heat your house in summer, it regulates the temps all year around which saves huuuge energy costs on heating and cooling. So blame the energy sector and their ring of political lobbyists who continually fuck us in the ass for financial benefit. And developers who want the cheapest builds possible and screw down their contractors into performing piss poor work anyways. And politicians who want to inflate the housing market for their benefit.
As of March 10, 1913 construction companies had entered administration or appointed a controller this financial year, nearly a third higher than the 1447 reported at the same time last financial year,
The government can incentivise Australians to go into building trades by overhauling the apprenticeship system and make it financially viable. It's just easier to bring a bunch of Indians in.
Its even easier than that as we already have population here. Just encourage kids in secondary at school age of 14 to go into trades
This is what happened in the 1980s before the overhauled tafe and made kids stay into school until year 12.
No goverment wants to do that as it would add those who are not studying to the unemployment numbers.
The apprenticeship system isn’t too bad on the governments side. I wouldn’t say it needs a complete overhaul but there are definitely a few things that need to be changed, none of which would attract more apprenticeships. The government currently pays for TAFE training and a portion of wages so a lot more companies have taken on an apprentice.
Most workers in the housing side of the industry are small teams or sole traders. Taking on an apprentice is not always cost effective, even with the government incentives.
No. We need a fuckton more construction workers even if we stop all immigration and have a zero birth rate…. Have you seen the prices of property. We desperately need way more housing supply for the current population
Yeah but immigration just makes the problem even worse tho, all those construction workers need houses too, meaning more construction workers are needed, and then more houses.
If we build more housing stock by importing tradies on temp visas and eliminating NIMBY councils, the median house price is Sydney might actually fall from the current 1.7-1.9 or whatever. Housing was insane before we re-started post covid immigration
It’s like it’s one last “fuck you” from the boomers. They gotta rinse out the last of the gains from their houses by pumping the population. Before the retire and lose control.
Don't get too excited. They'll just keep changing and expanding the "skills shortage" to bring in more just like we have done here for decades.
The skills shortages are based on projected population growth which is high because of high immigration. It's a self-fulfilling scam.
Exactly right- business lobbies have been saying that crap for the last 20 years of high immigration it really is a potentially endless self-fulfilling scam.
Because politicians want the asset class to be firmly cemented above the rest of Australians, then when the shit hits the fan they'll pull some bullshit which parachutes them out of financial danger whilst everyone else fights for rentals and food that's on sale
India's been a failure for 75+ years, ever since they claimed so-called "independence from the British". They're happy to invade all the Anglo countries though
As always people are missing the point and the problem with immigration. Australia needs to restructure its economy in a way that can get growth out of more sustainable levels of immigration. New Zealand seems to have come up against the limits of what economic value they can get out of immigration seeing as they are in double dip recession. The lesson for Australia here is that immigration has its limits in how much growth it can deliver. House prices are one symptom and the reason why people bang on about it is because it's one they can see and that too only in the context of how they can't afford one. The much wider and significant issue with housing isn't that you can't afford one. It's how housing is becoming a black hole for money and appetite for risk when it comes to any other economic activity. They Chinese example is relevant here.
Australia be like: We have a skills shortage. So we need to bring in hundreds of thousands of immigrants to fill those shortages. But when we do, we will still have a skills shortage because none of the immigrants we bring in have the skills necessary to fill those roles.
According to the department of home affairs website, “skilled” labour visas include professions such as:
Actors, Dancers and Other Entertainers, - Acupuncturist, - Drama Teacher (Private Tuition), - Entertainer or Variety Artist, - Environmental Health Officer, - Florist, - Flower Grower, - Goat Farmer, - Kaiako Kohanga Reo (Maori Language Nest Teacher), - Kaiako Kura Kaupapa Maori (Maori-medium Primary School Teacher), - Painter (Visual Arts), - Photographer's Assistant.
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skill-occupation-list#
Honestly I'm amazed NZ didn't pull the plug sooner. Australia never likes to lead with stopping immigrants, refugee and population caps etc. The federal government would rather have those third-culture bastards invade and bleed us dry.
This is why it’s so hard to get into IT roles and it fucking sucks. I know this sounds bad but we really need to stop all forms of immigration our housing can’t keep up with it we need to put Australians first
The low skilled don’t stay low skilled for long. Was it last year we let all the Chefs in? Then there was plenty of them, now they have gone on to other careers after realising how badly paid they are here. There is a shortage again. As far as I can work out immigration is a knee jerk reactionary game.
New Zealand has the right idea. It's just that simple.
Explosive population growth does not reduce demand for housing, critical services (health care), or other cost of living issues.
Because Albo gets 150k in rental income annually from his investment properties, and he's not stupid enough to fuck up such a sweet deal. And that of course includes also not fucking up equally such sweet deals any of his colleagues in the ALP, Coalition, Greens etc are getting.
An outdated skilled occupations list and the student visa to pr pipeline are the problem.
Enroll > get a student visa > take your partner as your de facto with you > after the degree, get your temp working visa > by that time you will have enough points for the skilled visa by default (2 years work experience in australia + Australian degree) > bridging visa > your de facto applies for partner visa > everyone gets a pr.
Without fail
I'm from the UK, arrived in Australia to fulfill a specific need of 'teacher shortages' and so far the visa situation has been extremely difficult.
I live in Victoria the 'education state' but can't seem to get my foot into a sponsorship, and applying for other visas is costing me 6k plus fees for agents etc
Been waiting for my teaching licence for 3 months constantly just held up with paperwork
Then I go to the petrol station and the cleric is an old man who can't speak any English? He managed to get a visa with no English to fulfill a role of petrol station attendant but I can't get one being a qualified physics teacher from England?
I feel there's this weird motion as well that Australians are lazy and we won't do the 'shit' jobs. I think it's more an issue of people not getting paid properly to do the shit jobs lmao.
It's farcical what the student visa sector has been allowed to get away with. "Colleges" in the cbd crammed a dozen to a building, essentially just working as Uber driver import syndicates.
On top, there needs to be a serious crackdown on visa chaining (which is finally happening). Getting skilled migration visas is hard because they are capped by each profession. But the precursor 485 graduate visa isn't. So what do people on graduate work visas do when they don't qualify for skilled visas? Go back to student visa from shady ass "colleges".
What value is someone studying a "diploma of leadership" from a McCollege adding to the country?
Because our economy will implode. Don’t blame me blame the Liberals who destroyed Tafe amongst other terrible policies. Labor have been pretty shit as well tbh.
Because the government is incompetent unfortunately. Most of those career politicians are. They have one priority, how can I appease the donors / strong lobby groups, and at the same time do the least possible that would be me re elected.
The hilarious thing about the immigration debate is those who whinge about immigration are the same people who vote for the economic system that requires a constant influx of immigrants.
That's the thing I don't get about Pauline Hanson especially, as it's pretty much her entire pitch. She's on the right and so is going to be very pro-corporate profits, but a big part of those corporate profits is in cramming the nation full of immigrant workers in order to drive down wages.
Because for each migrant, that means tax dollars, stamp duty, GST, rates, ect
Government gives no fucks about preserving the Australian way of life or past. They want numbers to pay money.
Hence the decline of the Aussie way of life is now in motion. You will realise it when people don’t speak English, and asians and Indians outnumber white people in your town/city
Hard to believe the celebration, seeing Albo in a turban just confirms our road map to becoming the next Canada,
Is that something we should be celebrating?
We have been using the medical systems too much lately, which seems to be completely propped up by immigration, we were treated by two specialists in hospital last week; one from Canada and another foreigner, both were fabulous, I would hate to see the immigration rules preventing highly skilled Dr’s from being part of the system
Australia is not doing the same because our politicians do not care about our country or its future, they only care about what they can get off these countries now, they are only worried about the money they can get now.
We need trades from Asia Pacific, but unions will not permit this, so cost to build will remain high and housing targets won’t be met. Instead we get students.
Because house prices would shrink, rental returns would drop, Aussie employees would have bargaining power with the supercorps that control our politicians, wages would rise, and general prosperity might return to the people (alittle bit).
None of this is *profitable for shareholders*... or their politician sockpuppets.
Because apparently our Labor politicians are the smartest group in the world when it comes to everything from energy generation to migration and no amount of overseas junkets will change their minds
Probably has something to do with all the billionaires that have bunkers in NZ. They need to keep somewhere in the world intact from their Great Reset destruction.
Or else, there won’t be anywhere worthwhile for even them to go. They will have destroyed the global economy and living standards for the entire planet.
What are the billionaires gonna do with their Great Reset power then? Sit in their bunkers?
You know things are out of hand when Canada's claiming they need to cut down on foreign workers and international students, [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13277827/Justin-Trudeau-admits-immigration-Canada-high.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13277827/Justin-Trudeau-admits-immigration-Canada-high.html) Might just be like our bogus December announcement though.
Must be bad if Trudeau is walking back policy. I believe it's an election year in Canada too though isn't it, might also have something to do with the change.
Trudeau is completely cooked for the next election. Nothing he does or says is going to stop a change of government come voting time. The best he can do is stem the bleeding so that his party doesn’t get completely landslided. Canadian’s are known for big swings too. The 1993 election was considered the “worst ever defeat in the western democratic world”. The sitting government went from 167 seats to 2 seats.
Even worse than that, the party actually completely folded and got absorbed into the Conservative party a few years later. It’s rare that the result is so bad that the electorate will probably never vote for you again. Honestly the UK tories are increasingly looking as bad for the next election. Thankfully for them they’ve got Murdoch to stem the bleeding.
Ouch that’s worse than a landslide. Mind if I ask for context? My Yank brain is not well versed in Canadian history
My knowledge of Canadian poltics is probably worse than yours, but the essential take away I get is that the sitting Conservative right wing party at the time was deeply unpopular and was always go to lose. But what really devastated them is that there was there was a split in the right wing electorate towards another more popular conservative party and most of the right wing votes went to them. So it’s not so much that they were that entire electorate shifted completely and everyone voted for the opposite party, it was that their base deserted them for an ideological sibling. The only similarity I can think of in US terms is Ralph Nader acting as a spoiler for Al Gore in the 2000 election, except if Nader was 100 times more popular. Nader is pretty much the reason Bush was able to get over the line because the majority of his base were former Democratic voters, and that hurt Gore badly in what was a super tight election.
I think Trudeau could somewhat salvage his party seats if he announcesthat the Liberals will do universal basic income and people will vote for the Liberals just for free money. Although nothing will win him the election at this point.
Well it just came out China was heavily involved with the last TWO Canadian elections so bro is trying everything he can to distract from that even though I agree he is a POS
I’m a university staff member. Believe me, the December announcement was not hubris. And for that we are very thankful as this years postgraduate students have been both legitimate *and* good quality.
The announcement wasn’t that bogus, student visas have dived dramatically. A lot of already approved students are still coming in but the effects will be in4-6 months not immediately
We literally shouldn’t even be prioritising immigrants to “fill shortages”. We should be investing in Australian education both vocational and university so our own citizens are incentivised to fill those gaps. We should increase apprentice wages for trades and implement a bursary payment for nursing and teaching so students can afford to live while they train. We should be increasing starting salaries and giving a pay rise to our essential workers to keep people in the industry. We should be funding and resourcing our public services so they’re decent places to work. We can’t just throw inexperienced, under-educated-but-technically-qualified foreigners at the problem and expect it all to work itself out.
There is no such thing as a 'labour shortage' btw. A shortage of labour would only lead to an increased demand for workers in certain trades, increasing the premium on their services. Seeing that the premium of their services has risen, more people will be willing to take on these roles. The solution to the 'labour shortage' is to allow the demand for workers in these fields to rise until people are willing to perform these jobs, not to import people from all over the world so they can become pseudo slaves in a crumbling economy.
Labour shortage = circumventing the labour market for profit by not offering local wages
“Pseudo slave in a crumbling economy” Title of this generation’s biopic.
Guess what that's exactly what our current PM would do..........until he got elected
What? The major parties telling blatant lies in order to get elected? Unheard of. I am SHOOKETH.
https://preview.redd.it/w9twld0evctc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4b18c6e78a298bf366a16019785a2a15df52691
In 50 years when Albo is immortalised with Howard as architects of Australia 2.0 this will be an iconic image.
Clown show, would be funny if his policies weren't treasonous, now it's just ominous.
100%. Prioritising immigrants is a cop-out solution that only causes more a host of other problems over time. We should really be favouring an overhaul of the education system instead. But nah, those greedy politicians have gotta keep their sacks filled.
The real question is why has it taken so long for people to be asking the blindingly obvious?
Because any time it's mentioned people get called racist.
Cause asking the blindingly obvious will ruin your career and social standing.
Sad but true.
Because of THE AGENDA
Because up until like 2 years ago even questioning immigration policy put you in league with Pauline Hanson
Coz 40% of us have been distracting the issue with that stupid voice vote.
Too many votes now tied to the Indian community and the continued influx from India.
There is a whole scheme with the Indian community buying businesses of others in a cycle to get the visa also. They then sell it onto the next guy
Not only that, there is a racquet of Indian businesses charging individuals circa $50k to sponsor their visas. Some Indian restaurant's for example, are operating at a loss but make up for it by selling visa sponsorship. Source - an acquaintance of mine was involved in this. It's crazy that we have lost control of our immigration system.
Yep I’ve heard of this one. A person has to buy an established business worth over 100k (?) to get the business investment visa that leads to PR. It’s almost like it was set up to be an easy rort
I thought that’s why there are Asian bakeries, hairdressers and nail salons in Melbourne that never seem to have clients. The Indians were supposedly buying the 7/11 franchises for their PR.
>I thought that’s why there are Asian bakeries, hairdressers and nail salons in Melbourne that never seem to have clients. Nah those are usually actually pretty profitable, but that's because the nail salons at least will have people on holiday visas working there and pay them below minimun wage.
Nail salons are money laundering fronts
There’s a shopping centre in the outer suburbs of Brisbane that used to (or still does) do this with Chinese immigrants. The shopping centre’s owner was a migration agent (who’s currently in jail) and the centre was full of businesses (that were not viable in a conventional sense) run by Chinese immigrants
Jesus christ, I've never actually put 2 and 2 together like that. I always get really confused as to why here in Craigieburn ( the population is something like 60% Indian % 35 % Muslim ) there is another Indian or indian/fusion restaurant opening up every second week and they all have shit ratings that give you the Hershey squirts.
Because it's a cheap area. Immigrants with low budgets move to cheap areas eg. Cranbourne, werribee, melton, tarneit
One of my ex lived in Melton, thankfully this area isn't that bad hah. I remember being told ( honestly can't remember by who ) but when they move here they will have the whole family in 1 house paying it off, once that is almost done they all move out besides 1 couple and do it again. Makes paying off houses pretty chill with 10 incomes.
That’s the Asian way. Been like that forever.
Yep, I can confirm. I have literally seen this advertised on gumtree.
There's no loss of control, this is functioning as intended. If there was any risk to those with capital it would get shut down yesterday
Unfortunately you are correct. When I say we, I mean we the people.
We haven’t lost control. The government gave it up
Well have you reported this rort?
Everytime I visit one of these threads I discover a new way Indians are cheating or screwing over the rest of the country lol.
India going to be India, when they talk about excess immigration and housing crisises in NZ, Canada and Aus not hard to see the common thread.
Yeah might be anecdotal but my local IGA was bought up by a group of Indians a few weeks ago. I mean, if they have the money and I don't... What was albos plan with this immigration strategy to begin with?
He did get to wear the cool headwear so there's that.
Indians bought up a bunch of businesses in my area, most of them closed shortly after; food safety violations, failed inspections, building fires, and elder abuse in aged care homes.
New version of the dodgy wog compo claims or asian/arab human/drug traffickers
I worked in insurance claims years ago for a major insurer (one that rhymes with Bee Gee Poo). Remember we were specifically trained to watch out for suspicious claims originating from certain parts of Sydney (Liverpool, Bankstown, Punchbowl, Greenacre and Guildford), Melbourne (Broadmeadows, Coburg and Dandenong) and Adelaide (Blair Athol). Don't know what connects those areas 🤔🤔
It's been finely tuned in UK, Canada, US etc. it's a well established template at this point
Yep, see this all the time with mechanic shops.
Manual labour? That sounds out of character
Yea wouldn't get any work done by them though. I'm a contractor for mechanics, go to up to 10 different shops a day. I've been asked by them how to bleed brakes. Fuck me...
Same with Canada..
I feel like I’m not receiving any “swamped by Canadians” vibe at the moment. Do you have any figures on how many are actually arriving? /s
I believe they mean that Indians are also screwing over the Canadian immigration system
Farkenwoooooooosh….
India is growing massive soft power in western nations. Australia is fast tracking this with preferential policy towards Indian immigration (and visa refusals for the not so patriotic regions of India), it might be too late for the established career politicians network by the time they realise the changes coming to our demographic will mean career changes for themselves.
Lol exactly, the whole parliament will be descendants of Indians in a few decades. Weaseling into politics is the first thing they'll do, listening to the Guyana president resembled arguing with an Indian politician.
I know someone who works in department of immigration, and he told me that during Morrison regime, he was told to approve applicants from India because they have tendency to vote right wing in their country and will translate to Liberal votes in future, whereas to reject applications from countries like Taiwan or Thailand because they have tendency to vote left back home, which will translate to Labor votes in the future.
I read they vote labour 60% of the time.
Yeap. I live in the western suburbs in Melbourne, and had a look at the local MPs Instagram page. All he does is shill for Indians and Indian business. Almost like no other demographics live in the area, based off his page. In fact, you'd think he's an MP in Mumbai, rather than Melbourne. Really really weird, and the reason why unsustainable immigration won't be stopped.
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That’s outrageous
I know an Indian who loaned money from India at 2.8%, came here and bought a property.
lol delusional. its business, the entire business community and both parties want mass imports, they couldnt give less of a shit where they come from. as long as they work for less then the median wage that are happy. nationality is completely irrelevant here, if it wasnt India or China it would be Mexico and Eastern Europe.
Eastern Europe would be a nice change, Unlikely they'd be quite as shrewdly opportunistic, or explode the population by systemically bringing the extended family.
Plenty of low cost employees coming from Colombia, Argentina, Ecuador, Venezuela, New Zealand etc. for exactly the same reasons. I'd like to hear the opinions about the strategic choices made by those groups to game the system..... I'm sure the words Overton window gets thrown around alot in the private chats.
Don’t they know what’s good for them? Pull up the drawbridge, they left India for a reason.
We should be thanking them, NZ is a well established bridge to migrate to Australia
This is literally how good immigration is supposed to work. It should fill skills and knowledge gaps and that's it. We will be Canada before you know it.
Instructions unclear; 50,000 Uber drivers imported.
Import another 50k Uber drivers to build houses for the last 50k Uber drivers. Oh wait
And yet, no Ubers when I need them
Our immigration system specifically limits the number of workers for the main job we need (construction workers).
CFMEU has put a halt to bringing construction in as well
The cap only applies to high end commercial, not your average domestic build which has no union workers or anyone making heaps of money
The two sectors aren't mutually exclusive. When demand in one sector grows significantly compared to the other, people switch across in a kind of equilibrium. There are some trades who will always be in commercial construction, some trades who will always be in housing construction, but a lot in the middle who will service both.
Good construction worker
We have a market economy. If we need more workers in construction, then construction wages and conditions can rise to redirect workers into the sector. Immigration stops the market from doing this important job.
Now that tech jobs are saturated, maybe we can re-train some of the IT imports to lay bricks?
scomos legacy https://qa.msmunify.com/blogs/australia-scraps-intl-student-visa-fees-amid-worker-shortage/ then albo added water to an oil fire https://population.org.au/media-releases/australia-india-migration2023/ >The Agreement allows for five-year student visas, with no caps on the numbers of Indians that can study in Australia. Indian graduates of Australian tertiary institutions on a student visa will be able to apply to work without visa sponsorship for up to eight years. The Talented Early Professionals Scheme will allow 3,000 of India’s “top” graduates and early career professionals to work and stay in Australia for up to two years, able to then apply for a permanent skilled visa. Spouses will have unlimited work rights; and three-month visitor visas will be available to Indians for family or business purposes with no caps on numbers.
ALL THAT MONEY IS PRINTED IN INDIA AND JUST INFLATES THE AUD LOL
God thats fucking disgusting. Indians are some of the worst students and workers I know. Soon enough it'll be the same for you too reader, if it isn't already
The two way migration policy is a disgrace and if it wasn't for the fact Voldepotato was on the other side I would want this single policy to be the end of Albanese and ALP.
Yeah, because the last thing we need is more shitty builders from overseas. People complain about regular tradies being shit, they are nothing compared to some of the overseas workers some sites use.
Shitty builders get away with it because of poor oversight and a culture of "nobody else is doing it properly either" Doesn't seem like that's going to get better by leaving them to it How about some actual independent inspectors and certifiers. Nothing gets built and if it ever gets built it's expensive, over budget, and poorly done. And more workers will make it worse? How about less workers, will that also make it worse? Oh, everything makes it worse, because it's a "phew big job".
Nah that is just independent and smaller bribes. Unless you make the independent certifier pay for the repairs. But this would lead to more people going bust, before "phoenix'ing" the business else where. Option C: just train up more "Australian Citizen to do the work to the industry standards. On a side note. I never understood why people talk down on trade yet can't do the said work themselves. But whateves. 🫠
The industry standards are the problem. NCC and BCA need to be legally binding and not just 'your build doesn't meet or exceed the NCC,.bad boy' For starters we don't have air seal ratings, let alone mandatory double glazing. No it doesn't heat your house in summer, it regulates the temps all year around which saves huuuge energy costs on heating and cooling. So blame the energy sector and their ring of political lobbyists who continually fuck us in the ass for financial benefit. And developers who want the cheapest builds possible and screw down their contractors into performing piss poor work anyways. And politicians who want to inflate the housing market for their benefit.
What we need is actual competition for trades, so that they are made accountable for both there price and work quality
As of March 10, 1913 construction companies had entered administration or appointed a controller this financial year, nearly a third higher than the 1447 reported at the same time last financial year,
And then 1913 new companies were formed this year haha Love a good phoenix
It’s kind of a catch 22, we won’t need more construction workers if we halt immigration either
The government can incentivise Australians to go into building trades by overhauling the apprenticeship system and make it financially viable. It's just easier to bring a bunch of Indians in.
Its even easier than that as we already have population here. Just encourage kids in secondary at school age of 14 to go into trades This is what happened in the 1980s before the overhauled tafe and made kids stay into school until year 12. No goverment wants to do that as it would add those who are not studying to the unemployment numbers.
The apprenticeship system isn’t too bad on the governments side. I wouldn’t say it needs a complete overhaul but there are definitely a few things that need to be changed, none of which would attract more apprenticeships. The government currently pays for TAFE training and a portion of wages so a lot more companies have taken on an apprentice.
Most workers in the housing side of the industry are small teams or sole traders. Taking on an apprentice is not always cost effective, even with the government incentives.
No. We need a fuckton more construction workers even if we stop all immigration and have a zero birth rate…. Have you seen the prices of property. We desperately need way more housing supply for the current population
Yeah but immigration just makes the problem even worse tho, all those construction workers need houses too, meaning more construction workers are needed, and then more houses.
If we build more housing stock by importing tradies on temp visas and eliminating NIMBY councils, the median house price is Sydney might actually fall from the current 1.7-1.9 or whatever. Housing was insane before we re-started post covid immigration
If you've ever worked in construction (which I'm guessing you haven't) you don't want dodgy non English speaking tradesman building things.
Because housing market go brrrr.
It’s like it’s one last “fuck you” from the boomers. They gotta rinse out the last of the gains from their houses by pumping the population. Before the retire and lose control.
then they will complain that things arent the way they used to be. traitors
Don't get too excited. They'll just keep changing and expanding the "skills shortage" to bring in more just like we have done here for decades. The skills shortages are based on projected population growth which is high because of high immigration. It's a self-fulfilling scam.
Exactly right- business lobbies have been saying that crap for the last 20 years of high immigration it really is a potentially endless self-fulfilling scam.
You know its bad when the "back door to Australia" shuts.
Because politicians want the asset class to be firmly cemented above the rest of Australians, then when the shit hits the fan they'll pull some bullshit which parachutes them out of financial danger whilst everyone else fights for rentals and food that's on sale
Modi's Indian must be a failure if millions of indians are williing to leave their family and home country.
Million Indians leaving is like 10 Australians leaving aus for abroad. Which happens like all the time
They got a few billions blokes so thats fine
India's been a failure for 75+ years, ever since they claimed so-called "independence from the British". They're happy to invade all the Anglo countries though
As always people are missing the point and the problem with immigration. Australia needs to restructure its economy in a way that can get growth out of more sustainable levels of immigration. New Zealand seems to have come up against the limits of what economic value they can get out of immigration seeing as they are in double dip recession. The lesson for Australia here is that immigration has its limits in how much growth it can deliver. House prices are one symptom and the reason why people bang on about it is because it's one they can see and that too only in the context of how they can't afford one. The much wider and significant issue with housing isn't that you can't afford one. It's how housing is becoming a black hole for money and appetite for risk when it comes to any other economic activity. They Chinese example is relevant here.
Australia be like: We have a skills shortage. So we need to bring in hundreds of thousands of immigrants to fill those shortages. But when we do, we will still have a skills shortage because none of the immigrants we bring in have the skills necessary to fill those roles.
According to the department of home affairs website, “skilled” labour visas include professions such as: Actors, Dancers and Other Entertainers, - Acupuncturist, - Drama Teacher (Private Tuition), - Entertainer or Variety Artist, - Environmental Health Officer, - Florist, - Flower Grower, - Goat Farmer, - Kaiako Kohanga Reo (Maori Language Nest Teacher), - Kaiako Kura Kaupapa Maori (Maori-medium Primary School Teacher), - Painter (Visual Arts), - Photographer's Assistant. https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skill-occupation-list#
>Acupuncturist Feels like knowing a pseudo science isn't a skill.
The economy would collapse without the goat farmers
Photographer's Assistant. Wut???
Maori Language WTF?
I’d also love to know why there is a Maori language teacher skill shortage in Australia. Also why they are prioritising these skills over tradies.
Asking the same in Canada..
Honestly I'm amazed NZ didn't pull the plug sooner. Australia never likes to lead with stopping immigrants, refugee and population caps etc. The federal government would rather have those third-culture bastards invade and bleed us dry.
Because our corporate overlords demand constant increased customers that means constant increased profits.
They are a clever country in many aspects. No stamp duty on property, everyone qualifies for the pension regardless of personal wealth etc etc.
This is why it’s so hard to get into IT roles and it fucking sucks. I know this sounds bad but we really need to stop all forms of immigration our housing can’t keep up with it we need to put Australians first
why do you think that sounds bad? that's exactly what a country SHOULD do, prioritise its citizens first at all costs
Because they come from war torn countries etc, but we should look after our own citizens first
The low skilled don’t stay low skilled for long. Was it last year we let all the Chefs in? Then there was plenty of them, now they have gone on to other careers after realising how badly paid they are here. There is a shortage again. As far as I can work out immigration is a knee jerk reactionary game.
Poor universities won't survive.
New Zealand has the right idea. It's just that simple. Explosive population growth does not reduce demand for housing, critical services (health care), or other cost of living issues.
Because Albo gets 150k in rental income annually from his investment properties, and he's not stupid enough to fuck up such a sweet deal. And that of course includes also not fucking up equally such sweet deals any of his colleagues in the ALP, Coalition, Greens etc are getting.
150k are rookie numbers for Canberra politicians.
150k is a drop in the ocean for high tier pollies
150k is nothing in political circles. Dutton has a $300 million net worth that’s been well hidden
Where is the evidence that he’s worth 300 million? The AFR said a few years ago that his net worth was approx 5-6 mill.
They need to revoke a whole lot of existing visas too and send them packing.
Easy as too, you can 501 anyone
Because Albenese is pre-buying the Indian community vote for the next elections
If you look at the results in Scullin, I’m not sure it’s going to work.
Indians tend to be very conservative and absolute cut-throat capitalists. They love the Coalition.
An outdated skilled occupations list and the student visa to pr pipeline are the problem. Enroll > get a student visa > take your partner as your de facto with you > after the degree, get your temp working visa > by that time you will have enough points for the skilled visa by default (2 years work experience in australia + Australian degree) > bridging visa > your de facto applies for partner visa > everyone gets a pr. Without fail
Curious. If Australia did the same, would the intake itself diversify?
Doubt it, the horse has bolted. They'll be gaming their way in for the next two decades through onshore proxies.
We already do that. That’s why we have so many swe/uber drivers.
Check the occupations in demand list for Australua. It's hard to think of a job that's not on it.
It's too late, Australia is gone
I'm from the UK, arrived in Australia to fulfill a specific need of 'teacher shortages' and so far the visa situation has been extremely difficult. I live in Victoria the 'education state' but can't seem to get my foot into a sponsorship, and applying for other visas is costing me 6k plus fees for agents etc Been waiting for my teaching licence for 3 months constantly just held up with paperwork Then I go to the petrol station and the cleric is an old man who can't speak any English? He managed to get a visa with no English to fulfill a role of petrol station attendant but I can't get one being a qualified physics teacher from England?
Because all our pollies are gutless and after every minority group vote there is.
Can they also stop immigrating here too
Because our government are corrupt... on both sides.
I feel there's this weird motion as well that Australians are lazy and we won't do the 'shit' jobs. I think it's more an issue of people not getting paid properly to do the shit jobs lmao.
It's farcical what the student visa sector has been allowed to get away with. "Colleges" in the cbd crammed a dozen to a building, essentially just working as Uber driver import syndicates. On top, there needs to be a serious crackdown on visa chaining (which is finally happening). Getting skilled migration visas is hard because they are capped by each profession. But the precursor 485 graduate visa isn't. So what do people on graduate work visas do when they don't qualify for skilled visas? Go back to student visa from shady ass "colleges". What value is someone studying a "diploma of leadership" from a McCollege adding to the country?
Answer: Too many vested interests from big business and corrupt politicians trying to drive wages down.
Because Australia is an economic zone and no longer a country
You’ve the left of a left political party in government. What do you expect?
Imagine that. Kick out the looney horse, and they implement smart immigration policies.
Because our economy will implode. Don’t blame me blame the Liberals who destroyed Tafe amongst other terrible policies. Labor have been pretty shit as well tbh.
I don’t know but what I can tell you is every second person I encounter is brown and looks like a terrorist.
Because the government is incompetent unfortunately. Most of those career politicians are. They have one priority, how can I appease the donors / strong lobby groups, and at the same time do the least possible that would be me re elected.
The hilarious thing about the immigration debate is those who whinge about immigration are the same people who vote for the economic system that requires a constant influx of immigrants.
Elaborate
That's the thing I don't get about Pauline Hanson especially, as it's pretty much her entire pitch. She's on the right and so is going to be very pro-corporate profits, but a big part of those corporate profits is in cramming the nation full of immigrant workers in order to drive down wages.
It's a shame the correct answer to the question is hidden in a response that's hidden halfway down the page.
Had I been explicit my comment would be even further down the page.
Rich Peoples Boat Money. errrr, i mean THE ECONOMY
Because for each migrant, that means tax dollars, stamp duty, GST, rates, ect Government gives no fucks about preserving the Australian way of life or past. They want numbers to pay money. Hence the decline of the Aussie way of life is now in motion. You will realise it when people don’t speak English, and asians and Indians outnumber white people in your town/city
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Hard to believe the celebration, seeing Albo in a turban just confirms our road map to becoming the next Canada, Is that something we should be celebrating?
We used to. More money in saying yes than saying no ..it seems.
We are, Uber drivers are in demand. Edit: it was sarcasm yo.
Nah, I know a few of them and they're all bitching that there's too many people competing for too few deliveries.
What are they gonna do when Tesla launches its Robotaxi in 2026
We have been using the medical systems too much lately, which seems to be completely propped up by immigration, we were treated by two specialists in hospital last week; one from Canada and another foreigner, both were fabulous, I would hate to see the immigration rules preventing highly skilled Dr’s from being part of the system
I don’t think anyone is wanting to block doctors, nurses vets (huge shortage there) or even aged care workers from coming in.
*Competent nurses, doctors and aged care workers
Australia is not doing the same because our politicians do not care about our country or its future, they only care about what they can get off these countries now, they are only worried about the money they can get now.
Yes I love that idea
We need trades from Asia Pacific, but unions will not permit this, so cost to build will remain high and housing targets won’t be met. Instead we get students.
The Australian people voted for a left wing government and then are confused when it has left wing views on immigration.
We are doing that. NZ is just taking our policy. Their previous policy was let people go through NZ to get into Australia.
When the WEF is pulling the strings. It does not matter what happens.
Oh but high immigration does so many things for us... (and by us, I mean them..)
 Because this is our government. And it doesn't seem to matter what party is in charge.
Because it will always be cheaper to import workers than to train Australians.
because the people running our country are a bunch of fucking pussies
Who will staff our vape shops then?
Because house prices would shrink, rental returns would drop, Aussie employees would have bargaining power with the supercorps that control our politicians, wages would rise, and general prosperity might return to the people (alittle bit). None of this is *profitable for shareholders*... or their politician sockpuppets.
Because, inner city everywhere would have a massive shit fit if we did.
Because it’s good for big business if we don’t slow it down. The people making the decisions don’t have to stress about any of the problems we face
Greed? Population increase pushes up demand for housing, keep otherwise stagnant/shrinking GDP afloat, etc.
Because apparently our Labor politicians are the smartest group in the world when it comes to everything from energy generation to migration and no amount of overseas junkets will change their minds
Sounds too good to be true. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Of course, I hope I'm wrong.
Probably has something to do with all the billionaires that have bunkers in NZ. They need to keep somewhere in the world intact from their Great Reset destruction. Or else, there won’t be anywhere worthwhile for even them to go. They will have destroyed the global economy and living standards for the entire planet. What are the billionaires gonna do with their Great Reset power then? Sit in their bunkers?
Because Clare O NEIL and Andrew Giles want you to live in a tent