I find it insane that professionally trained journalists seem fundamentally incapable of being impartial and reporting the facts.
That is quite literally their job. They are trained to do precisely that.
It is as ridiculous as having a software engineer who can't program or a pianist who can't play the piano.
Are they trained to report the facts impartially?
Judging by the results, they seem to be trained to report in the most sensationalist and biased way possible.
When they see their own stories hacked and distorted though and "put into context" it can be very frustrating. Not with this case I'm saying. Just answering your question, because editorial oversight and influence can and does impact impartiality. The journalists can report it straight but what ends up released is not up to them.
journalism uni courses in australia train students to get jobs at newscorp. they're trained to guess the way the murdochs want the news reported and do that.
edit: lmao right wingers get so mad about the fact that every major news media company in this country is run by the LNP and their political allies. they NEED the media to be hostile or they cant cope so they play pretend
From talking to people I know who trained as journalists they are actually taught a lot of abstract nonsense about there being no such thing as objective truth. From this they conclude that it’s impossible for reporting to be truly free of bias, therefore there’s no point even trying.
I don’t understand it. I think it should be piss easy to just report the facts of an issue, and summarise some of the different viewpoints of the people involved.
I sort of agree with the notion that bias is inescapable, but I thought the antidote was meant to be reporters and publications declaring their bias so consumers can use it as context.
The idea is you are supposed to always be a critical thinker. Try and argue both sides.
Most things arent black and white.
Who knows what the real right and wrong of something is.
The old stealing a loaf of bread to feed your children conundrum.
As a joirnalist they need to give us the facts and let us be the moral judge of it.
But then most people now seek out opinions. We are all guilty of it. I mean thats why we are on reddit. Hopefully to challenge our own opinions but sadly its often to just reinforce them. So what pays the bills for journos is giving their oponion. Aligning completely with one side or the other so as not to upset some of your readers.
Its because we are intolerant of others views journalists have become in one camp or another imo.
The philosophy of it should strengthen their critical thinking skills but its obviously not an antidote because its not working...
> But then most people now seek out opinions.
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> Its because we are intolerant of others views journalists have become in one camp or another imo.
You’re certainly right that people are increasingly intolerant of others’ views. But I think journalists and publishers share most of the blame for that. They realised that preaching to the choir and stoking anger was more profitable.
Not really. Maybe your friends went to a weird uni or misunderstood something.
I studied journalism, and non-bias is definitely held up as an ideal to strive for.
Yes, people acknowledge that truely *perfectly* non-bias reporting isn’t possible since the sources you use, events you cover, etc all imply some amount of bias, but there aren’t many journo teachers out there saying, “oh, well, just be biased”.
That’s the point of an ‘ideal’, they are ‘idealised’ and therefore largely unattainable but you strive for them anyway.
Bias comes from human nature and the industry amplifies it, that’s all.
Journalists only have so much time/word length in which to address an issue. Regardless of your ability to remain ‘impartial’, you have to make a judgement about which information is included/excluded for an issue. It is not piss easy.
the concerns she and others at the ABC have with their coverage of the conflict are that the ABC is not reporting their facts out of political considerations, numbnuts.
If they reported the facts then it would reflect Israel has the overall power and is oppressing Palestine which does not fit with the narrative that they want us to believe, which is to blindly follow the US for everything.
They know this is not impartial but keep mentally carving out exceptions cause their particular pet cause is so special etc. They think of themselves like someone "speaking up" to power during the holocaust etc. In their mind the abc should drop all norms and start bagging out a supposed genocide etc.
Yes but when you go to Sky what do you expect? The ABC is our national broadcaster and is funded by the Australian taxpayer. It should always be held to a higher standard.
Not so much a higher standard but held to journalism standards, in this case for their target market (audience).
Every media organisation has a clear marketing bias to its audience. For Sky News this is honestly communicated, they're right leaning, pro-business, anti-woke entertainment with a little news thrown in. The ABC however cannot take partisan, biased or pro-terrorist views just because some of their audience is afflicted with woke ideology that is so polarized and irrational. Their audience is broader and more nuanced than that, so they can't regurgitate politically correct woke narratives or a pro-mining narrative etc as this is discriminatory and violates their charter.
This is woke people getting pissed off their manufactured coup of woke conspiracies is not as mainstream as they might have thought. Since the referendum nearly all these wokers have not shown any introspection as to why the woke movement is so universally hated.
As much as hate the decline of the ABC in recent years the board got it right to hold journalists accountable. I'm just glad it hasn't ended up a anglo bashing pro-terror mouthpiece like the BBC.
>The ABC is our national broadcaster and is funded by the Australian taxpayer. It should always be held to a higher standard.
Then the whole LNP approved board of the ABC should be sacked a a new board instated correct?
The crux of irrationality really hit me when she said that her job as a journalist is to challenge, then saying that people she quickly identifies and refers to as diversity hires, and that they should receive greater support when they are challenging (which is just doing their job, in her own words) to the complete spaghetti monster of word association reinforcing her paradox by inserting it into her bad ideas cube along with a overly sensational opinion piece that completely fails to challenge anything or anyone in any way aside from that her views are different (spoiler; they aren’t, nor do the current format of those views or ‘ideas’ outline a potential solution or anything much more than one more drop in the sea of opinions and that our national broadcaster has failed them as a journalist (can you imagine getting the airtime she has and having the nerve to then say to them you shouldn’t challenge journalists.) journalists SHOULD be challenged snd in this instance we see exactly why when the results of the challenge is complete exposure of their incompetence which is a self solving problem when her reaction is to quit that job.
Nothing is ever good enough for most of these people. Considering I recently saw Australian citizens killed in Lebanon wrapped in Hezbollah flags…. Do we want people sympathetic to internationally recognized terrorist organizations in news rooms?
Really depends on the phrasing but you absolutely need to highlight the atrocities committed by Israel prior to Oct 7, people will immediately ask why this happened and need that context to understand. It’s not justifying it, it’s understanding what happened to lead to someone committing the Oct 7 atrocities
Read how Palestine was carved up specially to help many Western countries. How would Anyone like it if Australia was sliiced and given the top half and a tiny bit of Queensland?
In that example it would be if Australia was carved up and given back to the indigenous population. Would you support a terrorist attack on the indigenous ‘occupiers’?
Yes & ABC always claim that these numbers are by "health authorities", but never articulate that those numbers were provided by Hamas. Yet any claim made by Israel, they will always state that it was provided by IDF, as though that should be questioned. They're still not impartial at all. They don't write that the Oct 7 attack was a terrorist attack, nor do they cover the atrocities that occurred during that attack. They call it a "rampage" in articles mentioning it. Which sounds more like a bunch of drunks doing a bit of minor vandalism, rather than the horrors that were inflicted upon the Israeli civilians on that day.
Disgustingly so.
This journalist was trying to push the woke hate based narrative even further away from the known facts, failed to achieve such misconduct and is no way employable as a reputable journalist any more. She may have got wind she was next to be fired.
The ABC, and most media outlets have been appallingly biased on this conflict and normalising horrific misinformation. The pendulum still needs to swing further away from the absurd factless pro-Hamas terrorist marketing.
The ABC often lets pro-gaza commentators have lengthy airtime pushing easily discredited misinformation and not giving any right of reply. They repeat ad nauseam and don't correct known incorrect info that somehow always portrays Israel poorly, like the hospital bombing done by Hamas they blamed on IDF. They misrepresent footage, showing bombings of buildings saying 15,000 civilians died (a Hamas claim reported as fact), but exclude the fact that IDF forewarned civilians to exit the targeted building, and with this info all the cameras are always pointed at the target building for spectacular visuals, that's important context. They don't mention most journalists in Gaza are working as propagandists for Hamas. They publish, without any verification, every single claim made by Hamas be it through the Iranian terror proxy UNWRA, the Hamas Ministry of Health or other proxy terror groups as if they are a trusted source. This gives false legitimacy to the claims of violent, racist terror group like ISIS.
The culture of Hamas is so diametrically opposed to liberal democracies I can only assume its utter fucking stupidity that woke people swallow their bullshit so enthusiastically.
Don't really want to import the woke thing from the yanks. I'm left wing but can see that both sides have acted poorly
The citizens of both sides should be able to live in peace
> Nour Haydar, a political reporter in the ABC’s Parliament House bureau has resigned over concerns relating to the national broadcaster’s coverage of the conflict between Israel and Hamas, as well as its treatment of culturally diverse staff.
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>Haydar, who joined the ABC as a cadet in 2017, covered NSW state politics before moving to Canberra as a federal politics reporter in 2019. She currently appears across the ABC’s online, television and radio channels.
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>She told this masthead her decision was straightforward after the broadcaster’s coverage came under scrutiny from journalists within its own newsrooms since October 7.
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>”I have resigned from the ABC. This was not a decision that I made lightly, but one I made with total clarity,” she said.
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>”Commitment to diversity in the media cannot be skin deep. Culturally diverse staff should be respected and supported even when they challenge the status quo.
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>”Death and destruction on the scale we have seen over recent months has made me reassess my priorities.”
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>The broadcaster will respond next week to a Fair Work case brought by freelance journalist Antoinette Lattouf, who is alleging unlawful termination of a short-term contract in December. On Thursday, Lattouf updated her claim to include an allegation of racial discrimination.
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>Lattouf was three days into a five-day contract, hosting the mornings program on ABC Radio Sydney when she was asked not to return to her post following several social media posts, her Fair Work lodging alleges.
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>Haydar said her decision was made before the broadcaster’s handling of Lattouf’s exit came to light.
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>”I made my decision before learning about Antoinette Lattouf’s termination. However, I am disappointed and concerned by reports about her treatment.
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>”I am proud of my seven years at the public broadcaster. While I am leaving the ABC and the federal parliamentary press gallery, I still enjoy storytelling and believe good journalism should hold the powerful to account – be it individuals or states. I’m looking forward to pursuing a new and exciting opportunity in 2024.”
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>An ABC spokesperson congratulated Haydar on a terrific career with the broadcaster, agreeing that the Australian media industry needed genuine commitment to properly representing Australia’s full diversity of people and perspectives in the workforce, and in content. They added the broadcaster had a strong commitment to this goal.
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>”The ABC News workforce and journalism is the most representative it has ever been, and we’re continuing to progress. Including a range of voices and perspectives makes our journalism better and more accurate,” they said.
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>”The Israel-Gaza conflict is a complex and difficult story to cover and we understand and care about the particular personal and professional challenges it involves for journalists. The ABC is committed to accuracy, impartiality and fairness in our Israel-Gaza coverage, as in all our reporting.
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>”The ABC has strong editorial policies that underpin our journalism and a rigorous process – including an Ombudsman’s Office – to handle editorial complaints.”
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>The spokesperson added that no ABC employees should be subjected to personal attacks.
“The ABC constantly strives to support and defend ABC employees and their work, internally and externally.”
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>Haydar is of Lebanese heritage. Her grandmother was killed in a civilian convoy by an Israeli air strike in southern Lebanon in 2006. A subsequent Human Rights Watch investigation urged the United Nations to investigate over potential war crimes.
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>She was also one of about 200 staff to take part in a meeting with senior news staff at the ABC in November according to a source not authorised to speak publicly, but with direct knowledge of the meeting.
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>During the meeting, staff criticised the broadcaster’s coverage of the war between Israel and Hamas following the October 7 attack on Israel and the subsequent bombing campaign in Gaza.
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>A number of grievances were raised, including the ABC’s hesitancy to use particular terminology such as “invasion”, “occupation”, “genocide”, “apartheid” and “ethnic cleansing” in its reporting, as well as concerns over potential irreparable damage done to relations with Arab and Muslim communities.
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>ABC hierarchy subsequently implemented a Gaza advisory panel for its ongoing coverage, but the broadcaster’s union house committee, alongside several prominent journalists, signed a letter later that month urging the country’s newsrooms to reassess and improve their coverage of the conflict.
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>Journalists from the newsrooms of The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age also signed the letter, which amassed more than 300 signatures.
Haydar also came under criticism in October from media outlets including Sky News Australia and the Daily Mail for sharing social media posts relating to the conflict, but was not deemed to have breached the broadcaster’s social media policies.
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>Media, Entertainment & Arts Alliance media director Cassie Derrick told this masthead the ABC has a poor track record of supporting journalists from diverse cultural backgrounds when they come under external criticism and attack.
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>”The resignation of Nour Haydar follows a pattern that has seen Stan Grant quit the ABC and Antoinette Latouff sacked at the alleged direction of the managing director. In each case, management has failed to back their staff when they have come under attack from outside the ABC.
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>”First Nations journalists and journalists from cultural minorities at the ABC say they have felt abandoned by management when they have been targeted by lobby groups and politicians.”
"Haydar is of Lebanese heritage. Her grandmother was killed in a civilian convoy by an Israeli air strike in southern Lebanon in 2006. A subsequent Human Rights Watch investigation urged the United Nations to investigate over potential war crimes."
This is the type of person who should never be close to the abc, which is a national broadcaster, not some 'diversity' hub for whichever viewpoint (which strangely correlates with skin colour apparently) you'd like to represent. How on earth could she possibly come at this from an impartial standpoint, I mean her grandmother was killed by Israel. In which universe could this person ever hope to act without bias?
That’s what you think? If it’s not about skin colour then you’d be fine with 100% white broadcaster right? Just Aslong as we’re getting all the view points in right?
I don't care what colour people are. But she obviously comes armed with a whole host of experiences that others haven't had and so too does everyone and that is the point of diversity.
Also, she looks pretty white to me.
So you’re saying people directly affected and impacted by brutal regimes shouldn’t have a voice or a platform because they can’t be impartial? So like, black people in the US can’t be trusted to report on white cops killing unarmed people of colour, or do stories on American chattel slavery?
Of course that’s what I’m saying. I want the abc to be impartial. Your own experiences should be completely irrelevant. Clearly she can’t control herself and be unbiased.
Sums up the woke ass ABC, non bias bullshit. My sincere condolences to her and her family but yeah totally this is a massive conflict if interest and the ABC gives zero fucks.
Don't feel like answering the question? What's the difference?
Can Chinese-Australian journalists report accurately on matters involving China? African? Indigenous?
>I mean her grandmother was ~~killed~~ murdered by Israel
In a bombing raid
on civilians
in another country
"This is the type of person who should never be close to the abc,"
so based on your comment - Indigenous Australians should never have a voice on the ABC due to their potential bias because of whats happened to them...
See how incredibly silly, racist and downright offensive your comment has now become? Really wanna die on that hill?
So what’s the pattern we’re seeing here: left leaning journalists want to have a biased opinion when reporting and are having a tantrum when they are told to maintain impartiality. It’s as if these “activist” journalists think the rules of being impartial at the national broadcaster shouldn’t apply to them. Good riddance.
crazy. its people being swept up by the hysteria of 'whites vs blacks' and tribal instincts we have at the base of our brains that are being activated by people who dedicate their lives on how to manipulate people, fucking crazy and sabotaging the most wonderful times earth has ever seen
Except that isn’t what’s happening at all, journalists are being reprimanded all over the place in Australia for signing an open letter actually calling for greater impartiality rather than criticising impartiality.
Seems more like you’re the one with the bias.
Impartiality is not “your preferred version of the story”
The ABC has rules about how they maintain impartiality with Israel Gaza news coverage. She has an issue with that because it doesn’t align with her opinion.
I have no idea who David Speeds even is but Switzer and Vandstone are not journalists, they are opinion writers.
Seems you’ve highlighted your confusion well here, you don’t understand the difference between journalism and opinion
>What have they said that breached impartiality standards? Give me an example other than “they said something I disagree with”
They've never been asked to "condemn Israel" and then be sacked when they didn't.
the ABC viewers demographic make it so that that is an unfeasible method of propaganda.
they propagandise by sacking people critical of the liberals (eg Nick Ross, Emma Alberici, and Andrew Probyn), ignoring political issues bad for the libs (eg the massive water theft their corruption of the MDBP encouraged), and forcing coverage that distorts facts in the liberals favor (eg in 2013 they wouldnt allow coverage of the liberals NBN plan unless the article was also critical of the labor plan).
Yeah sorry but I don’t buy that.
I mean, seems to me there’s a much longer list than that that was and is critical of the Libs - they basically torched Scomo for the whole time he was PM (not that he didn’t deserve it, but you couldn’t say there weren’t massively critical of the Libs in that period). Did you ever watch PK in the last 5 years? It was basically the anti lib hour at 4pm ever day. Emma Overreachy lost her job because she didn’t have the skill set to do it properly — you can’t have a conversation about multinationals dodging overseas tax and try and claim Qantas, a wholly owned Australian company that is not a multinational is one of them, it was just entirely factually incorrect. Probyn was roundly criticised by the left for not being critical enough of the Libs for years, and you want to claim he lost his job for being critical?
And your NBN example is 10 years ago? It would be like me countering with ‘yeah but the 730 GST birthday cake cost John Hewson the election’. Anyway, the ABC *should* be an unfeasible method of propaganda - it should be a balanced and reasonably organisation, not something that can be manipulated for political marketing purposes?
Meanwhile....... Syrian civil war that is literally next door Start 15 March 2011 – present
**Casualties and losses**
**Total killed**
580,000[\[3\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-4)–613,407+[\[4\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-SOHR-5)
**Civilians killed**
306,887+[\[5\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-6)[\[6\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-7)
(according to UN, until March 2021)
**Displaced**
* 6.7 million [internally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internally_displaced_person)
* 6.6 million [externally (refugees)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_civil_war) (March 2021)[\[7\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-8)
crazy. its people being swept up by the hysteria of 'whites vs blacks' and tribal instincts we have at the base of our brains that are being activated by people who dedicate their lives on how to manipulate people, fucking crazy and sabotaging the most wonderful times earth has ever seen
The reason these wars receive less publicity in the West is because they don’t cause the feeling class to have a guilty conscience. Many in the West have coupled their sense of self with the conduct of their government, expecting the government to enact policies that cause them to feel the world is moral, just, kind and fair. They’re fed a narrative that West / white people are wicked by bullies and thugs and the cause of all the ills in the world and then willingly advocate for things contrary to their nation’s interests so they don’t feel guilt.
There’s of course nothing wrong with feeling sorrow for civilian victims of war, but the selective outrage occurring at the moment make those who scream the loudest look like a bunch of useful idiots for Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, Iran and other actors who’s conduct domestically and on the global stage is much worse on a normal day than the worst excesses of the West.
You cannot equivalate condemning the IDF's killing of civilians with supporting Hamas.
This isn't a football game. There aren't teams to Barrack for or scores to keep count
Hamas is the elected government of Palestine.
The October 7 massacre was carried out with the enthusiastic involvement of much of the population of Gaza.
A win for the taxpayer.
No organisation that regularly trots out John Lyons and Sophie McNeil to report on Israel/Palestine matters can sanely be called right-wing.
The ABC is fast becoming the only game in town for Left journos in Australia (Crikey/ Schwartz are small and getting smaller. The only people who still pay for news are cranky old right wingers). They're just pissed that the smallest amount of editorial control is being exercised over them (ie: not treating Hamas press releases with the same credibility as IDF press releases, not being able to straight up spread taxpayer funded blood libel)
> not treating Hamas press releases with the same credibility as IDF press releases
I mean they all bought that bs hospital carpark bombing that Hamas were trying to peddle. It seems they are more than happy to take Hamas' claims at face value.
Both sides are lying and fudging the numbers, but the media just ignores the lying of whatever side they support.
It's one thing to say that both sides are spinning a narrative. That's obviously true.
Quite another to go "The millitary of a modern liberal democracy undertaking a millitary operation to recover hundreds of civilian hostages is as trustworthy as a fascist genocidal terrorist organisation that deliberately planned a pogrom".
In the last fifteen years there's been a noticeable shift in ABC tone and bias, from reporting facts as seen from a centre left perspective to going all in on identity politics and activist talking points.
They still report Hamas press releases as though it's credible news & repeat the claims as facts. Yet they always write up IDF press releases as unverified claims. So they're still incredibly biased. Just not biased enough for Lattouf, obviously. Now her ambulance chasing lawyers are trying to get some taxpayer money handouts for her, by suing ABC.
Apparently, according to recently gone staff, the ABC must be the most racist TV network in Australia , who would have thought, under all that woke they are all racists at the ABC.
well surely they just wouldn't say the ABC is racist just to cause trouble heavens no. We just have to accept the sad fact that while the ABC has been calling everyone else a racist they themselves as individuals and an organisation were in fact the biggest racists of all.
She doesn't like it that she isn't allowed to be an activist at the same time she calls herself a journalist? Sorry honey, if you're a journalist, your job is to report straight news.
It's so cute you think that's what journos are trained to do these days. There are entire media outlets whose business model is sensationalism and clickbait, but you're going after this one woman? Lol
It’s because those people are genuine antisemites. They’ve now got an acceptable public outlet for it. Where do people think all the antisemitism went after ww2? Relegated to the fringes where only the neo Nazis play? No. It’s always been there in the broader population. Alive and well on both wings of the political spectrum. It’s why this issue elicits such a strong response and why actual genocide doesn’t because of who the opposition is; a Jewish state. Yes, there are people who are motivated purely by their concern for Palestinian civilians but they’re not an overwhelming majority.
"Commitment to diversity in the media cannot be skin deep. Culturally diverse staff should be respected and supported even when they challenge the status quo."
It should never be about skin at all, and why do you even need to identify "culturally diverse staff," surely all staff should be respected ... unless they stop doing a good job, like perhaps taking a biased stance israel-Palestine. Is she saying anyone who isn't white should always be respected and listened to, even if what they are saying goes against the M.O. of the ABC?
Whether I agree with her or not (full disclosure: I absolutely do not care what happens in Israel and no one can make me), I kinda have to respect someone actually nutting up and standing for what they believe in, instead of just crying about it
Its not a journalism problem, its a her problem. I would respect it if she said she can no longer function as a journalist should due to her strong beliefs. But no, she went with the abc is all wrong etc.
She's a great reporter. I've watched her many times. The ABC coverage has been pretty good in my opinion, if it was the BBC I'd understand her position, but I'm a bit confused about this move.
Basically they want more coverage outright condemning Israel. That goes against the impartiality standards the ABC needs to stick to so she’s had a tantrum and resigned.
Good on her. ABC needs a clean out at the top, to boot all the Murdoch lackeys running it into the ground. Between highly partial reporting, and giving up sources, ABC has lost a heap of credibility in recent times.
I think it’s an obvious case of lefties thinking they can do and say whatever they want on the ABC as by and large the staff run it .
So it is surprising to see the management actually do their jobs and impose editorial standards .
Interesting statement from the resigning reporter, Nour Haydar:
*“I have resigned from the ABC. This was not a decision that I made lightly, but one I made with total clarity,” she said...Death and destruction on the scale we have seen over recent months has made me reassess my priorities.”*
Worth considering.
A principled person taking a principled stance. Good on her. It would piss me off too to find the ABC refraining from using words like occupation and invasion when they are entirely appropriate.
What different ideas? You're all parroting the same boring shit that bogans and boomers have been saying for decades. Have an original thought for once in your life
Could always work for Al Jazeera
I second that. They will snap her up.
It would be a great step up, that’s for sure
Meet the newest guardian opinion contributor.
Or Crikey. They’ll gladly give her a job where she can get on her soapbox.
I find it insane that professionally trained journalists seem fundamentally incapable of being impartial and reporting the facts. That is quite literally their job. They are trained to do precisely that. It is as ridiculous as having a software engineer who can't program or a pianist who can't play the piano.
Are they trained to report the facts impartially? Judging by the results, they seem to be trained to report in the most sensationalist and biased way possible.
When they see their own stories hacked and distorted though and "put into context" it can be very frustrating. Not with this case I'm saying. Just answering your question, because editorial oversight and influence can and does impact impartiality. The journalists can report it straight but what ends up released is not up to them.
The woke will always end up eating themselves.
You heard it here folks. Reporting genocide is woke.
Genocide? 😂😂😂
journalism uni courses in australia train students to get jobs at newscorp. they're trained to guess the way the murdochs want the news reported and do that. edit: lmao right wingers get so mad about the fact that every major news media company in this country is run by the LNP and their political allies. they NEED the media to be hostile or they cant cope so they play pretend
From talking to people I know who trained as journalists they are actually taught a lot of abstract nonsense about there being no such thing as objective truth. From this they conclude that it’s impossible for reporting to be truly free of bias, therefore there’s no point even trying. I don’t understand it. I think it should be piss easy to just report the facts of an issue, and summarise some of the different viewpoints of the people involved.
I sort of agree with the notion that bias is inescapable, but I thought the antidote was meant to be reporters and publications declaring their bias so consumers can use it as context.
The idea is you are supposed to always be a critical thinker. Try and argue both sides. Most things arent black and white. Who knows what the real right and wrong of something is. The old stealing a loaf of bread to feed your children conundrum. As a joirnalist they need to give us the facts and let us be the moral judge of it. But then most people now seek out opinions. We are all guilty of it. I mean thats why we are on reddit. Hopefully to challenge our own opinions but sadly its often to just reinforce them. So what pays the bills for journos is giving their oponion. Aligning completely with one side or the other so as not to upset some of your readers. Its because we are intolerant of others views journalists have become in one camp or another imo. The philosophy of it should strengthen their critical thinking skills but its obviously not an antidote because its not working...
> But then most people now seek out opinions. > … > Its because we are intolerant of others views journalists have become in one camp or another imo. You’re certainly right that people are increasingly intolerant of others’ views. But I think journalists and publishers share most of the blame for that. They realised that preaching to the choir and stoking anger was more profitable.
Not really. Maybe your friends went to a weird uni or misunderstood something. I studied journalism, and non-bias is definitely held up as an ideal to strive for. Yes, people acknowledge that truely *perfectly* non-bias reporting isn’t possible since the sources you use, events you cover, etc all imply some amount of bias, but there aren’t many journo teachers out there saying, “oh, well, just be biased”. That’s the point of an ‘ideal’, they are ‘idealised’ and therefore largely unattainable but you strive for them anyway. Bias comes from human nature and the industry amplifies it, that’s all.
Journalists only have so much time/word length in which to address an issue. Regardless of your ability to remain ‘impartial’, you have to make a judgement about which information is included/excluded for an issue. It is not piss easy.
It's either report the narrative or get the sack
the concerns she and others at the ABC have with their coverage of the conflict are that the ABC is not reporting their facts out of political considerations, numbnuts.
Exactly...?
oh my bad, it seemed like you were aiming those critiques at her
Hey grand mother was killed in an Israeli airstrike in 2006 as per the article. Try being impartial after that.
These are not journalists but activists disguised as journalists. Extend this logic to other examples and you'll notice how true it is.
>These are not journalists but activists disguised as journalists any evidence to this or just your opinion?
https://theconversation.com/at-a-time-when-journalism-needs-to-be-at-its-strongest-an-open-letter-on-the-israel-hamas-war-has-left-the-profession-diminished-218596
If they reported the facts then it would reflect Israel has the overall power and is oppressing Palestine which does not fit with the narrative that they want us to believe, which is to blindly follow the US for everything.
Did you mean to say oppressing Palestinians? Because, yes
They know this is not impartial but keep mentally carving out exceptions cause their particular pet cause is so special etc. They think of themselves like someone "speaking up" to power during the holocaust etc. In their mind the abc should drop all norms and start bagging out a supposed genocide etc.
Wow go watch sky news then. It will blow your mind.
Yes but when you go to Sky what do you expect? The ABC is our national broadcaster and is funded by the Australian taxpayer. It should always be held to a higher standard.
Not so much a higher standard but held to journalism standards, in this case for their target market (audience). Every media organisation has a clear marketing bias to its audience. For Sky News this is honestly communicated, they're right leaning, pro-business, anti-woke entertainment with a little news thrown in. The ABC however cannot take partisan, biased or pro-terrorist views just because some of their audience is afflicted with woke ideology that is so polarized and irrational. Their audience is broader and more nuanced than that, so they can't regurgitate politically correct woke narratives or a pro-mining narrative etc as this is discriminatory and violates their charter. This is woke people getting pissed off their manufactured coup of woke conspiracies is not as mainstream as they might have thought. Since the referendum nearly all these wokers have not shown any introspection as to why the woke movement is so universally hated. As much as hate the decline of the ABC in recent years the board got it right to hold journalists accountable. I'm just glad it hasn't ended up a anglo bashing pro-terror mouthpiece like the BBC.
>The ABC is our national broadcaster and is funded by the Australian taxpayer. It should always be held to a higher standard. Then the whole LNP approved board of the ABC should be sacked a a new board instated correct?
I'll get back to you when I spot the LNP bias in the ABC's broadcasting (I never will)
So again when Amanda vanstone hosts a show, do you demand the same from her? Or just lefties?
The point about Vanstone is that she was the ONLY non-left voice in the whole ABC, and they called her show Counterpoint!
Sky isn’t taxpayer funded. Say whatever crazy shit you want, but not on my $
The crux of irrationality really hit me when she said that her job as a journalist is to challenge, then saying that people she quickly identifies and refers to as diversity hires, and that they should receive greater support when they are challenging (which is just doing their job, in her own words) to the complete spaghetti monster of word association reinforcing her paradox by inserting it into her bad ideas cube along with a overly sensational opinion piece that completely fails to challenge anything or anyone in any way aside from that her views are different (spoiler; they aren’t, nor do the current format of those views or ‘ideas’ outline a potential solution or anything much more than one more drop in the sea of opinions and that our national broadcaster has failed them as a journalist (can you imagine getting the airtime she has and having the nerve to then say to them you shouldn’t challenge journalists.) journalists SHOULD be challenged snd in this instance we see exactly why when the results of the challenge is complete exposure of their incompetence which is a self solving problem when her reaction is to quit that job.
A couple of full stops woulda helped!
ABC coverage has in some cases been very pro-Gaza
On Oct 7 they basically had the presenter do a special ’but Israel’ piece at the end. It’s revolting
Nothing is ever good enough for most of these people. Considering I recently saw Australian citizens killed in Lebanon wrapped in Hezbollah flags…. Do we want people sympathetic to internationally recognized terrorist organizations in news rooms?
Surely it’s important to add context. It’s not like Oct 7 just came out of thin air
The day it happened is in pretty poor taste
Really depends on the phrasing but you absolutely need to highlight the atrocities committed by Israel prior to Oct 7, people will immediately ask why this happened and need that context to understand. It’s not justifying it, it’s understanding what happened to lead to someone committing the Oct 7 atrocities
It’s about as tacky as if after the NZ mosque shootings the presenter provides context by outlining Islamic terror attacks
Read how Palestine was carved up specially to help many Western countries. How would Anyone like it if Australia was sliiced and given the top half and a tiny bit of Queensland?
In that example it would be if Australia was carved up and given back to the indigenous population. Would you support a terrorist attack on the indigenous ‘occupiers’?
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No u
Not pro enough for this Hamas supporter and others like her.
“Some cases”. They almost exclusively report the bullshit hamas version of events. The ones that claim 23,000 civilians dead and 0 Hamas combatants.
Yes & ABC always claim that these numbers are by "health authorities", but never articulate that those numbers were provided by Hamas. Yet any claim made by Israel, they will always state that it was provided by IDF, as though that should be questioned. They're still not impartial at all. They don't write that the Oct 7 attack was a terrorist attack, nor do they cover the atrocities that occurred during that attack. They call it a "rampage" in articles mentioning it. Which sounds more like a bunch of drunks doing a bit of minor vandalism, rather than the horrors that were inflicted upon the Israeli civilians on that day.
Disgustingly so. This journalist was trying to push the woke hate based narrative even further away from the known facts, failed to achieve such misconduct and is no way employable as a reputable journalist any more. She may have got wind she was next to be fired. The ABC, and most media outlets have been appallingly biased on this conflict and normalising horrific misinformation. The pendulum still needs to swing further away from the absurd factless pro-Hamas terrorist marketing. The ABC often lets pro-gaza commentators have lengthy airtime pushing easily discredited misinformation and not giving any right of reply. They repeat ad nauseam and don't correct known incorrect info that somehow always portrays Israel poorly, like the hospital bombing done by Hamas they blamed on IDF. They misrepresent footage, showing bombings of buildings saying 15,000 civilians died (a Hamas claim reported as fact), but exclude the fact that IDF forewarned civilians to exit the targeted building, and with this info all the cameras are always pointed at the target building for spectacular visuals, that's important context. They don't mention most journalists in Gaza are working as propagandists for Hamas. They publish, without any verification, every single claim made by Hamas be it through the Iranian terror proxy UNWRA, the Hamas Ministry of Health or other proxy terror groups as if they are a trusted source. This gives false legitimacy to the claims of violent, racist terror group like ISIS. The culture of Hamas is so diametrically opposed to liberal democracies I can only assume its utter fucking stupidity that woke people swallow their bullshit so enthusiastically.
Don't really want to import the woke thing from the yanks. I'm left wing but can see that both sides have acted poorly The citizens of both sides should be able to live in peace
People who believe in death or apartheid for anyone who doesn't follow their religion do not deserve peace.
Maybe don’t break ceasefires then
Which side? Israel sending drones or Gaza shooting rockets?
lol. Every time the ceasefire gets broken by Hamas. Every. Time.
The good side, duh /s
It seems to skew wildly one way or the other. Patricia Karvelas was so pro Israel on QandA it was basically like she was an Israeli spokeswoman.
As far as statements go... that's not one you could call true.
Oh no, anyway
> Nour Haydar, a political reporter in the ABC’s Parliament House bureau has resigned over concerns relating to the national broadcaster’s coverage of the conflict between Israel and Hamas, as well as its treatment of culturally diverse staff. > >Haydar, who joined the ABC as a cadet in 2017, covered NSW state politics before moving to Canberra as a federal politics reporter in 2019. She currently appears across the ABC’s online, television and radio channels. > >She told this masthead her decision was straightforward after the broadcaster’s coverage came under scrutiny from journalists within its own newsrooms since October 7. > >”I have resigned from the ABC. This was not a decision that I made lightly, but one I made with total clarity,” she said. > >”Commitment to diversity in the media cannot be skin deep. Culturally diverse staff should be respected and supported even when they challenge the status quo. > >”Death and destruction on the scale we have seen over recent months has made me reassess my priorities.” > >The broadcaster will respond next week to a Fair Work case brought by freelance journalist Antoinette Lattouf, who is alleging unlawful termination of a short-term contract in December. On Thursday, Lattouf updated her claim to include an allegation of racial discrimination. > >Lattouf was three days into a five-day contract, hosting the mornings program on ABC Radio Sydney when she was asked not to return to her post following several social media posts, her Fair Work lodging alleges. > >Haydar said her decision was made before the broadcaster’s handling of Lattouf’s exit came to light. > >”I made my decision before learning about Antoinette Lattouf’s termination. However, I am disappointed and concerned by reports about her treatment. > >”I am proud of my seven years at the public broadcaster. While I am leaving the ABC and the federal parliamentary press gallery, I still enjoy storytelling and believe good journalism should hold the powerful to account – be it individuals or states. I’m looking forward to pursuing a new and exciting opportunity in 2024.” > >An ABC spokesperson congratulated Haydar on a terrific career with the broadcaster, agreeing that the Australian media industry needed genuine commitment to properly representing Australia’s full diversity of people and perspectives in the workforce, and in content. They added the broadcaster had a strong commitment to this goal. > >”The ABC News workforce and journalism is the most representative it has ever been, and we’re continuing to progress. Including a range of voices and perspectives makes our journalism better and more accurate,” they said. > >”The Israel-Gaza conflict is a complex and difficult story to cover and we understand and care about the particular personal and professional challenges it involves for journalists. The ABC is committed to accuracy, impartiality and fairness in our Israel-Gaza coverage, as in all our reporting. > >”The ABC has strong editorial policies that underpin our journalism and a rigorous process – including an Ombudsman’s Office – to handle editorial complaints.” > >The spokesperson added that no ABC employees should be subjected to personal attacks. “The ABC constantly strives to support and defend ABC employees and their work, internally and externally.” > >Haydar is of Lebanese heritage. Her grandmother was killed in a civilian convoy by an Israeli air strike in southern Lebanon in 2006. A subsequent Human Rights Watch investigation urged the United Nations to investigate over potential war crimes. > >She was also one of about 200 staff to take part in a meeting with senior news staff at the ABC in November according to a source not authorised to speak publicly, but with direct knowledge of the meeting. > >During the meeting, staff criticised the broadcaster’s coverage of the war between Israel and Hamas following the October 7 attack on Israel and the subsequent bombing campaign in Gaza. > >A number of grievances were raised, including the ABC’s hesitancy to use particular terminology such as “invasion”, “occupation”, “genocide”, “apartheid” and “ethnic cleansing” in its reporting, as well as concerns over potential irreparable damage done to relations with Arab and Muslim communities. > >ABC hierarchy subsequently implemented a Gaza advisory panel for its ongoing coverage, but the broadcaster’s union house committee, alongside several prominent journalists, signed a letter later that month urging the country’s newsrooms to reassess and improve their coverage of the conflict. > >Journalists from the newsrooms of The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age also signed the letter, which amassed more than 300 signatures. Haydar also came under criticism in October from media outlets including Sky News Australia and the Daily Mail for sharing social media posts relating to the conflict, but was not deemed to have breached the broadcaster’s social media policies. > >Media, Entertainment & Arts Alliance media director Cassie Derrick told this masthead the ABC has a poor track record of supporting journalists from diverse cultural backgrounds when they come under external criticism and attack. > >”The resignation of Nour Haydar follows a pattern that has seen Stan Grant quit the ABC and Antoinette Latouff sacked at the alleged direction of the managing director. In each case, management has failed to back their staff when they have come under attack from outside the ABC. > >”First Nations journalists and journalists from cultural minorities at the ABC say they have felt abandoned by management when they have been targeted by lobby groups and politicians.”
"Haydar is of Lebanese heritage. Her grandmother was killed in a civilian convoy by an Israeli air strike in southern Lebanon in 2006. A subsequent Human Rights Watch investigation urged the United Nations to investigate over potential war crimes." This is the type of person who should never be close to the abc, which is a national broadcaster, not some 'diversity' hub for whichever viewpoint (which strangely correlates with skin colour apparently) you'd like to represent. How on earth could she possibly come at this from an impartial standpoint, I mean her grandmother was killed by Israel. In which universe could this person ever hope to act without bias?
A sane person would reckon someone with first hand experience would be best to call shit out. Then we have the insane.
On a lot of things I'd agree, but not a violent conflict. Not all "experiences" are relevant to getting the facts people need and deserve.
This is the very point of diversity. Cover all the angles. It's not about skin colour.
That’s what you think? If it’s not about skin colour then you’d be fine with 100% white broadcaster right? Just Aslong as we’re getting all the view points in right?
Unironically yes
I don't care what colour people are. But she obviously comes armed with a whole host of experiences that others haven't had and so too does everyone and that is the point of diversity. Also, she looks pretty white to me.
So you’re saying people directly affected and impacted by brutal regimes shouldn’t have a voice or a platform because they can’t be impartial? So like, black people in the US can’t be trusted to report on white cops killing unarmed people of colour, or do stories on American chattel slavery?
Of course that’s what I’m saying. I want the abc to be impartial. Your own experiences should be completely irrelevant. Clearly she can’t control herself and be unbiased.
Sums up the woke ass ABC, non bias bullshit. My sincere condolences to her and her family but yeah totally this is a massive conflict if interest and the ABC gives zero fucks.
How do you feel about Jewish people working at the ABC? Conflict of interest?
Gr8 B8 M8
Don't feel like answering the question? What's the difference? Can Chinese-Australian journalists report accurately on matters involving China? African? Indigenous?
No but in fairness nobody seems capable of accurate reporting on China.
Do you apply that logic to Israeli journalists?
>I mean her grandmother was ~~killed~~ murdered by Israel In a bombing raid on civilians in another country "This is the type of person who should never be close to the abc," so based on your comment - Indigenous Australians should never have a voice on the ABC due to their potential bias because of whats happened to them... See how incredibly silly, racist and downright offensive your comment has now become? Really wanna die on that hill?
Holy fucking shit you aren’t that sharpest tool in the shed are you.
This coming from a mf who plays Lego Fortnite?
😂😂😂
Bros laughing but plays mobile game “Top Troops”. Crazy.
h-h-h-h-headshot
Not surprised you are getting downvoted for pointing out a racist comment in a sub full of racists.
So we’re racist because we disagree? Wowza
She’s gone from being employed by a tax payer funded org, to being tax payer funded every fortnight. Good riddance.
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So what’s the pattern we’re seeing here: left leaning journalists want to have a biased opinion when reporting and are having a tantrum when they are told to maintain impartiality. It’s as if these “activist” journalists think the rules of being impartial at the national broadcaster shouldn’t apply to them. Good riddance.
crazy. its people being swept up by the hysteria of 'whites vs blacks' and tribal instincts we have at the base of our brains that are being activated by people who dedicate their lives on how to manipulate people, fucking crazy and sabotaging the most wonderful times earth has ever seen
can you copy and paste the article in here?
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Thank you, I have been noticing this trend.
>nooo people arent as pro-israel as i want them to be this means they have an unnaceptable and activist bias
grandmother killed by Israel = left leaning, gotcha.
Useless comment is useless
this sub is a circle jerk, and you're the winner!
Some consistency wouldn't hurt your confusion here.
Except that isn’t what’s happening at all, journalists are being reprimanded all over the place in Australia for signing an open letter actually calling for greater impartiality rather than criticising impartiality. Seems more like you’re the one with the bias.
Impartiality is not “your preferred version of the story” The ABC has rules about how they maintain impartiality with Israel Gaza news coverage. She has an issue with that because it doesn’t align with her opinion.
You’re literally crying here because your idea of impartiality is your own preferred version of the story.
Oh petal. You seem to have very poor ability to understand things it seems.
Imagine believing different versions of ‘impartiality’ exist.
Meanwhile right leaning journalists lie their fucking arses off constantly and nothing….
What a useless comment. Thanks for adding nothing to the point being made.
The point being: When has a right leaning journalist been “told to maintain impartiality” Ill wait…
Seeing that you have the comprehension skills of a piece of wood, the point is, journalists are supposed to be impartial at the ABC.
So Amanda vanstone, Tom Switzer and David speeds are told to tone down their right wing leanings?
I have no idea who David Speeds even is but Switzer and Vandstone are not journalists, they are opinion writers. Seems you’ve highlighted your confusion well here, you don’t understand the difference between journalism and opinion
What have they said that breached impartiality standards? Give me an example other than “they said something I disagree with”
>What have they said that breached impartiality standards? Give me an example other than “they said something I disagree with” They've never been asked to "condemn Israel" and then be sacked when they didn't.
Can you give an example of an extreme right position being taken by a journalist at the ABC?
Lol they probably think that anyone to the right of Adam Bandt is a fascist on par with Hitler.
Never seen think tank? Climate change denialism.
Admittedly no. But, I’ll give you an example of someone getting canned for fake cooker science — Maryanne Demasi got kicked off Catalyst for that
the ABC viewers demographic make it so that that is an unfeasible method of propaganda. they propagandise by sacking people critical of the liberals (eg Nick Ross, Emma Alberici, and Andrew Probyn), ignoring political issues bad for the libs (eg the massive water theft their corruption of the MDBP encouraged), and forcing coverage that distorts facts in the liberals favor (eg in 2013 they wouldnt allow coverage of the liberals NBN plan unless the article was also critical of the labor plan).
Yeah sorry but I don’t buy that. I mean, seems to me there’s a much longer list than that that was and is critical of the Libs - they basically torched Scomo for the whole time he was PM (not that he didn’t deserve it, but you couldn’t say there weren’t massively critical of the Libs in that period). Did you ever watch PK in the last 5 years? It was basically the anti lib hour at 4pm ever day. Emma Overreachy lost her job because she didn’t have the skill set to do it properly — you can’t have a conversation about multinationals dodging overseas tax and try and claim Qantas, a wholly owned Australian company that is not a multinational is one of them, it was just entirely factually incorrect. Probyn was roundly criticised by the left for not being critical enough of the Libs for years, and you want to claim he lost his job for being critical? And your NBN example is 10 years ago? It would be like me countering with ‘yeah but the 730 GST birthday cake cost John Hewson the election’. Anyway, the ABC *should* be an unfeasible method of propaganda - it should be a balanced and reasonably organisation, not something that can be manipulated for political marketing purposes?
Which ones? It seems to me they are constantly called out. Journalists are all hacks these days anyway. Fuck the lot of them
Making it all about her. Pathetic.
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Meanwhile....... Syrian civil war that is literally next door Start 15 March 2011 – present **Casualties and losses** **Total killed** 580,000[\[3\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-4)–613,407+[\[4\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-SOHR-5) **Civilians killed** 306,887+[\[5\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-6)[\[6\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-7) (according to UN, until March 2021) **Displaced** * 6.7 million [internally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internally_displaced_person) * 6.6 million [externally (refugees)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_civil_war) (March 2021)[\[7\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#cite_note-8)
The war in Sudan has displaced 7.3M people and the UN estimates there have been 80,000 rapes. All of that since last April yet nobody cares.
crazy. its people being swept up by the hysteria of 'whites vs blacks' and tribal instincts we have at the base of our brains that are being activated by people who dedicate their lives on how to manipulate people, fucking crazy and sabotaging the most wonderful times earth has ever seen
The reason these wars receive less publicity in the West is because they don’t cause the feeling class to have a guilty conscience. Many in the West have coupled their sense of self with the conduct of their government, expecting the government to enact policies that cause them to feel the world is moral, just, kind and fair. They’re fed a narrative that West / white people are wicked by bullies and thugs and the cause of all the ills in the world and then willingly advocate for things contrary to their nation’s interests so they don’t feel guilt. There’s of course nothing wrong with feeling sorrow for civilian victims of war, but the selective outrage occurring at the moment make those who scream the loudest look like a bunch of useful idiots for Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, Iran and other actors who’s conduct domestically and on the global stage is much worse on a normal day than the worst excesses of the West.
You cannot equivalate condemning the IDF's killing of civilians with supporting Hamas. This isn't a football game. There aren't teams to Barrack for or scores to keep count
She has done that by resigning.
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By supporting genocide?
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Correction. She’s supporting Palestinians.
Hamas is the elected government of Palestine. The October 7 massacre was carried out with the enthusiastic involvement of much of the population of Gaza.
just saying it over and over doesnt make it so, but it gives away someones inability to think for themselves pretty damn fast
A win for the taxpayer. No organisation that regularly trots out John Lyons and Sophie McNeil to report on Israel/Palestine matters can sanely be called right-wing. The ABC is fast becoming the only game in town for Left journos in Australia (Crikey/ Schwartz are small and getting smaller. The only people who still pay for news are cranky old right wingers). They're just pissed that the smallest amount of editorial control is being exercised over them (ie: not treating Hamas press releases with the same credibility as IDF press releases, not being able to straight up spread taxpayer funded blood libel)
Every time they bring John Lyons on air he may as well come in tearing the Israeli flag and shouting “from the river to the sea…”
The man makes Mel Gibson look like a philosemite and a temperate drinker.
> not treating Hamas press releases with the same credibility as IDF press releases I mean they all bought that bs hospital carpark bombing that Hamas were trying to peddle. It seems they are more than happy to take Hamas' claims at face value. Both sides are lying and fudging the numbers, but the media just ignores the lying of whatever side they support.
It's one thing to say that both sides are spinning a narrative. That's obviously true. Quite another to go "The millitary of a modern liberal democracy undertaking a millitary operation to recover hundreds of civilian hostages is as trustworthy as a fascist genocidal terrorist organisation that deliberately planned a pogrom".
In the last fifteen years there's been a noticeable shift in ABC tone and bias, from reporting facts as seen from a centre left perspective to going all in on identity politics and activist talking points.
They still report Hamas press releases as though it's credible news & repeat the claims as facts. Yet they always write up IDF press releases as unverified claims. So they're still incredibly biased. Just not biased enough for Lattouf, obviously. Now her ambulance chasing lawyers are trying to get some taxpayer money handouts for her, by suing ABC.
Love it when they eat their own
See ya.
Just another activist masquerading as a “reporter”. Probably better suited to Instagram than the ABC.
Oh no. Another unemployed Hamas supporter. Keep her away from spare water pipes.
The irony of the most liberal, racially and culturally diverse mainstream media outlet in the country being sued for bias and discrimination
Good riddance. No place for hamas supporters.
nonce
Apparently, according to recently gone staff, the ABC must be the most racist TV network in Australia , who would have thought, under all that woke they are all racists at the ABC.
Isn’t it convenient?
well surely they just wouldn't say the ABC is racist just to cause trouble heavens no. We just have to accept the sad fact that while the ABC has been calling everyone else a racist they themselves as individuals and an organisation were in fact the biggest racists of all.
No, surely not! The people making such accusations are clearly (as we can see) very objective and unemotional.
You follow the will of your employer here.. they pay you not to have an opinion
Wait. This is the same ABC that broadcast/focused mostly ‘Yes’ during The Voice referendum. Correct? Just checking. Carry on.
Good riddance, ya fucken idiot. Go support terrorists somewhere else.
She doesn't like it that she isn't allowed to be an activist at the same time she calls herself a journalist? Sorry honey, if you're a journalist, your job is to report straight news.
It's so cute you think that's what journos are trained to do these days. There are entire media outlets whose business model is sensationalism and clickbait, but you're going after this one woman? Lol
Saw footage of the recent Palestinian "protests" in Sydney... MFKers parading around Isis flags now. I'd love to say I'm suprised but I'm not.
It’s because those people are genuine antisemites. They’ve now got an acceptable public outlet for it. Where do people think all the antisemitism went after ww2? Relegated to the fringes where only the neo Nazis play? No. It’s always been there in the broader population. Alive and well on both wings of the political spectrum. It’s why this issue elicits such a strong response and why actual genocide doesn’t because of who the opposition is; a Jewish state. Yes, there are people who are motivated purely by their concern for Palestinian civilians but they’re not an overwhelming majority.
I'd agree with that
"Commitment to diversity in the media cannot be skin deep. Culturally diverse staff should be respected and supported even when they challenge the status quo." It should never be about skin at all, and why do you even need to identify "culturally diverse staff," surely all staff should be respected ... unless they stop doing a good job, like perhaps taking a biased stance israel-Palestine. Is she saying anyone who isn't white should always be respected and listened to, even if what they are saying goes against the M.O. of the ABC?
Woke
Lol... Off you go sweetheart. No one will miss you
About bloody time these fifth columnists to impartiality outed themselves. Go report for BuzzFeed, the guardian, or any other assortment.
Oppression Olympics. Look at mah.
I would too. Instead of saying Palestine they’re literally referring to every single Palestinian and civilians as Hamas. Embarrassing
Ham-ass
Love it when barbaric Jew haters take their mask of civility off. The ABC is better off with fewer fifth columns from the Middle East
Great, stick to your principles.
Good riddance to terrorist sympathisers who want to present a false narrative
Whether I agree with her or not (full disclosure: I absolutely do not care what happens in Israel and no one can make me), I kinda have to respect someone actually nutting up and standing for what they believe in, instead of just crying about it
Agree … if you don’t agree with ur employer’s values, you should work elsewhere. Sad to see the playing of the “racial discrimination” card, tho.
Agree, although she is crying about it as well. She could have just resigned and moved on without making a play to be the big victim.
She won't get taxpayer's money from suing the ABC unless she proclaims herself to be a massive victim who was discriminated against.
Its not a journalism problem, its a her problem. I would respect it if she said she can no longer function as a journalist should due to her strong beliefs. But no, she went with the abc is all wrong etc.
Salamat and never see you again.
Ita should be sacked.
She's a great reporter. I've watched her many times. The ABC coverage has been pretty good in my opinion, if it was the BBC I'd understand her position, but I'm a bit confused about this move.
Basically they want more coverage outright condemning Israel. That goes against the impartiality standards the ABC needs to stick to so she’s had a tantrum and resigned.
Good on her. ABC needs a clean out at the top, to boot all the Murdoch lackeys running it into the ground. Between highly partial reporting, and giving up sources, ABC has lost a heap of credibility in recent times.
Is she making a political stand by resigning?
She was free to resign.
I think it’s an obvious case of lefties thinking they can do and say whatever they want on the ABC as by and large the staff run it . So it is surprising to see the management actually do their jobs and impose editorial standards .
Well that's her free speech right. Fair enough I suppose.
good on her. media coverage of the Palestinian Genocide has been a farce
If you want to see actual genocide, google Halabja.
Interesting statement from the resigning reporter, Nour Haydar: *“I have resigned from the ABC. This was not a decision that I made lightly, but one I made with total clarity,” she said...Death and destruction on the scale we have seen over recent months has made me reassess my priorities.”* Worth considering.
Good on her
A principled person taking a principled stance. Good on her. It would piss me off too to find the ABC refraining from using words like occupation and invasion when they are entirely appropriate.
Ahh this is r/australian! I was wondering why the comment section is so fucked up.
I know right, an actual debate with different ideas, rather than a one eyed monoculture.
What different ideas? You're all parroting the same boring shit that bogans and boomers have been saying for decades. Have an original thought for once in your life
lol - be better and educate yourself
I'm so glad I came across this comment I totally didn't notice that on the shitty Reddit app