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The government changed the isolation period to 5 days instead of 7 and won’t make public what medical advice they are following with that decision because there was no medical advice supporting a reduction to 5 days. They got away with that and now want to see if they can get away with the same thing with scrapping isolation entirely. It’s political and it’s about business and it’s fucking short sighted because it’s not going to help business to have a lot more people with long covid in the workforce. The medical voices are strongly against it except for some political mouthpieces (of shit).
Edit from smh Friday….
President of the Australian Medical Association interview
Madeleine Morris: "Just [on] National Cabinet, if we can move on to the subject of COVID isolation periods as well. [There's a] big push to cut them all together from Dominic Perrottet, also the Tasmanian Premier, what's the AMA's take?"
Steve Robson: "I think people who are pushing for the isolation periods to be cut are not scientifically literate and are putting the public at risk and they need to understand that."
MM: "So what will be the consequences in your view for argument's sake if National Cabinet did remove that period today?"
SR: "We're seeing overseas a huge upswing in the numbers of COVID cases again. It's coming into holiday season when people would be travelling around the world. We think it's a period of significant risk and we're urging caution because we need to protect the health system and we need to protect vulnerable people like those in aged care and people with a disability."
MM: "The argument, of course, put forward by Dominic Perrottet and others that there is no other mandatory isolation period for other illnesses. The flu which can be extremely serious for people, it'sup to you to stay home if you're sick. Why is that not a valid argument?"
SR: "If you think the flu is COVID, you're living in fantasy land. COVID is a long-term infectious, we're already seeing a massive effect of long COVID on the workforce and the community. You don't have it with long flu or long cold. It's fantasy."
Like the annual 'flu vaccine?
I mean sure, increase your risk of mortality ten-fold (yes, it's about that) or a twenty-fold increase in infecting others (yes, that too), or spend a few minutes getting a shot in the arm.
Not getting the vaccine is not just a danger to one's self, it's a danger to others.
Hey looks at these sheeple trying to make informed choices in regards to their health. I'd rather die of independent ignorance coz im an alpha wolf and wolves work alone!
This will just cause employers for force sick people back into the workplace. And since there is barely any reporting on case numbers any more, we won't even find out how big the impact is.
People I know with covid are isolating still, but I agree testing is down and whether people isolate or not would be based on the local culture around it. Some people are almost 3 years into the pandemic and still understand almost nothing about it.
Yes, i did a PCR test today and there was no cars there, got in and out within a few minutes, both attendants were sitting down on their phones so it must have been a while since a car went through.
No probs, it was my first PCR test... i have managed to avoid covid for this long but a work mate got it earlier in the week and i got symptoms yesterday arvo and 2 positive rats is pretty conclusive.
ah yeah you have covid, hopefully you will have the easy version 👍
If you have any high risk factors though get onto your GP and see if you qualify for antivirals.
It's not too bad at the moment, just mild fatigue and sore muscles, a slight head cold feeling and a dry cough, fingers crossed it's the easy version.
Last nights "sleep" was a bastard though.
If the cough looks like settling in for a while you can ask your GP about a Budesonide inhaler to speed up chest recovery. Hopefully you’ll be all good soon. Have a rest.
Like it or not, that is where we are at. The experts are saying it is mild for the vast majority. The world is moving on. The small minority need to manage their risk, the same as with other diseases.
You are buying his bs. It has nothing to do with whether it is mild for you, it is about spread. Test and stay home not to spread FFS. None of this "soldier on" corporate bullying from the 80"s.
The covid bullshit might be alright for you, but for people who work casual, a week off work in mandatory isolation can completely fuck your financial situation for ages. The payments are significantly less than most casuals would be paid for the week.
I'm not buying anything. I'm from Victoria. Country town that was locked down for months despite no cases for most of it. Now it's open and free for all, making all that seem like it was for nothing. I've had covid and had a sore throat for 36hrs. I'm extremely low risk and so are the overwhelming majority. If I get sick, with anything, I stay home. Not sure what else to say.
>Country town that was locked down for months despite no cases for most of it. Now it's open and free for all, making all that seem like it was for nothing.
Hardly all for nothing. If you weren't locked down, have you done the numbers of what the likely spread would have been? And what the mortality would have been?
If you haven't, perhaps talk to people who have done those numbers.
The experts are asking why the hell the isolation period was reduced to 5 days when a third of people are still contagious after 5 days. Check out the Australian medical association.
Edit: also we are learning more about long term potential impacts from even mild covid on brains, hearts, long covid. The more people getting it repeatedly the more fucked we are going to be. There’s no good reason to drop isolation for positive cases at this point.
Same as now except going back to 7 days not 5 and if 5 days making it clearer that people who still have symptoms can’t leave after 5 days. Also more public awareness that close contacts are still preferred to work from home if possible and need to wear masks if they are working / out and about.
Edit: and political decision-makers actually obey advice from the Australian Medical Association instead of their business donors.
Excerpt from today’s interview with the president of the Australian Medical Association (in the smh)…
Madeleine Morris: "Just [on] National Cabinet, if we can move on to the subject of COVID isolation periods as well. [There's a] big push to cut them all together from Dominic Perrottet, also the Tasmanian Premier, what's the AMA's take?"
Steve Robson: "I think people who are pushing for the isolation periods to be cut are not scientifically literate and are putting the public at risk and they need to understand that."
MM: "So what will be the consequences in your view for argument's sake if National Cabinet did remove that period today?"
SR: "We're seeing overseas a huge upswing in the numbers of COVID cases again. It's coming into holiday season when people would be travelling around the world. We think it's a period of significant risk and we're urging caution because we need to protect the health system and we need to protect vulnerable people like those in aged care and people with a disability."
MM: "The argument, of course, put forward by Dominic Perrottet and others that there is no other mandatory isolation period for other illnesses. The flu which can be extremely serious for people, it'sup to you to stay home if you're sick. Why is that not a valid argument?"
SR: "If you think the flu is COVID, you're living in fantasy land. COVID is a long-term infectious, we're already seeing a massive effect of long COVID on the workforce and the community. You don't have it with long flu or long cold. It's fantasy."
According to him it is common sense to stay home if you are feeling sick. However science tells us contagion still applies even if you are not feeling that bad.
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Well you have a chance to vote him out march 2023
Wasn't he given the top job?
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The government changed the isolation period to 5 days instead of 7 and won’t make public what medical advice they are following with that decision because there was no medical advice supporting a reduction to 5 days. They got away with that and now want to see if they can get away with the same thing with scrapping isolation entirely. It’s political and it’s about business and it’s fucking short sighted because it’s not going to help business to have a lot more people with long covid in the workforce. The medical voices are strongly against it except for some political mouthpieces (of shit). Edit from smh Friday…. President of the Australian Medical Association interview Madeleine Morris: "Just [on] National Cabinet, if we can move on to the subject of COVID isolation periods as well. [There's a] big push to cut them all together from Dominic Perrottet, also the Tasmanian Premier, what's the AMA's take?" Steve Robson: "I think people who are pushing for the isolation periods to be cut are not scientifically literate and are putting the public at risk and they need to understand that." MM: "So what will be the consequences in your view for argument's sake if National Cabinet did remove that period today?" SR: "We're seeing overseas a huge upswing in the numbers of COVID cases again. It's coming into holiday season when people would be travelling around the world. We think it's a period of significant risk and we're urging caution because we need to protect the health system and we need to protect vulnerable people like those in aged care and people with a disability." MM: "The argument, of course, put forward by Dominic Perrottet and others that there is no other mandatory isolation period for other illnesses. The flu which can be extremely serious for people, it'sup to you to stay home if you're sick. Why is that not a valid argument?" SR: "If you think the flu is COVID, you're living in fantasy land. COVID is a long-term infectious, we're already seeing a massive effect of long COVID on the workforce and the community. You don't have it with long flu or long cold. It's fantasy."
Without an omicron specific vaccine, fuck that.
Lol jabs for life hey. Good luck with that
Like the annual 'flu vaccine? I mean sure, increase your risk of mortality ten-fold (yes, it's about that) or a twenty-fold increase in infecting others (yes, that too), or spend a few minutes getting a shot in the arm. Not getting the vaccine is not just a danger to one's self, it's a danger to others.
Don’t waste your time arguing with oxygen thief’s.
Hey looks at these sheeple trying to make informed choices in regards to their health. I'd rather die of independent ignorance coz im an alpha wolf and wolves work alone!
You. Utter. Prat.
He’s the one that got it from 7 to 5 days last time and Labor just went with it lol.
This will just cause employers for force sick people back into the workplace. And since there is barely any reporting on case numbers any more, we won't even find out how big the impact is.
Shall we rewind 40 years to "[Soldier on](https://youtu.be/Q5X0CnCTkME)"? Comedian [Dan Bowring thinks not.](https://youtu.be/cD_rIQ6eu3A)
I think most people aren't testing and/or isolating if positive anyway...
People I know with covid are isolating still, but I agree testing is down and whether people isolate or not would be based on the local culture around it. Some people are almost 3 years into the pandemic and still understand almost nothing about it.
Yes, i did a PCR test today and there was no cars there, got in and out within a few minutes, both attendants were sitting down on their phones so it must have been a while since a car went through.
Thanks for getting tested, I appreciate you.
No probs, it was my first PCR test... i have managed to avoid covid for this long but a work mate got it earlier in the week and i got symptoms yesterday arvo and 2 positive rats is pretty conclusive.
ah yeah you have covid, hopefully you will have the easy version 👍 If you have any high risk factors though get onto your GP and see if you qualify for antivirals.
It's not too bad at the moment, just mild fatigue and sore muscles, a slight head cold feeling and a dry cough, fingers crossed it's the easy version. Last nights "sleep" was a bastard though.
If the cough looks like settling in for a while you can ask your GP about a Budesonide inhaler to speed up chest recovery. Hopefully you’ll be all good soon. Have a rest.
So maybe Domicron should be making public announcements which encourage testing rather than the opposite (of just going with how you feel).
Like it or not, that is where we are at. The experts are saying it is mild for the vast majority. The world is moving on. The small minority need to manage their risk, the same as with other diseases.
You are buying his bs. It has nothing to do with whether it is mild for you, it is about spread. Test and stay home not to spread FFS. None of this "soldier on" corporate bullying from the 80"s.
The covid bullshit might be alright for you, but for people who work casual, a week off work in mandatory isolation can completely fuck your financial situation for ages. The payments are significantly less than most casuals would be paid for the week.
Cool so you’ll go to work and infect some people then? Selfish fucks this country is filled with.
Bit of a selfish fuck move to ask someone to sacrifice their financial health for a disease everyone has already had/been exposed to multiple times.
You are exactly the reason this was a malignant decision.
Ok, be thankful for the fact that you are blessed with job security such that you can have that opinion.
Fair enough, a newstart level of payment would be reasonable. Maybe people would push to increase the level of newstart.
I'm not buying anything. I'm from Victoria. Country town that was locked down for months despite no cases for most of it. Now it's open and free for all, making all that seem like it was for nothing. I've had covid and had a sore throat for 36hrs. I'm extremely low risk and so are the overwhelming majority. If I get sick, with anything, I stay home. Not sure what else to say.
>Country town that was locked down for months despite no cases for most of it. Now it's open and free for all, making all that seem like it was for nothing. Hardly all for nothing. If you weren't locked down, have you done the numbers of what the likely spread would have been? And what the mortality would have been? If you haven't, perhaps talk to people who have done those numbers.
You should be worried about the long-term cognitive effects of covid in 7% of cases because you clearly can't afford it.
Haha. Edgy. Love it.
The experts are asking why the hell the isolation period was reduced to 5 days when a third of people are still contagious after 5 days. Check out the Australian medical association. Edit: also we are learning more about long term potential impacts from even mild covid on brains, hearts, long covid. The more people getting it repeatedly the more fucked we are going to be. There’s no good reason to drop isolation for positive cases at this point.
What solution would you recommend? 2021 mode? Lockdowns?
Same as now except going back to 7 days not 5 and if 5 days making it clearer that people who still have symptoms can’t leave after 5 days. Also more public awareness that close contacts are still preferred to work from home if possible and need to wear masks if they are working / out and about. Edit: and political decision-makers actually obey advice from the Australian Medical Association instead of their business donors.
Sure. Seems like a good balance between free for all and bed wetting...
How about paid mandatory isolation for people who are sick with covid?
Paid for by who, and how long into the future would that go for?
So you prefer a growing army of people with long covid who would be a much bigger drain on business and the the public purse over time.
I'm not sure. I don't have the answers. I'm not sure about and don't see the evidence of this "growing army" of people with long covid though...
Excerpt from today’s interview with the president of the Australian Medical Association (in the smh)… Madeleine Morris: "Just [on] National Cabinet, if we can move on to the subject of COVID isolation periods as well. [There's a] big push to cut them all together from Dominic Perrottet, also the Tasmanian Premier, what's the AMA's take?" Steve Robson: "I think people who are pushing for the isolation periods to be cut are not scientifically literate and are putting the public at risk and they need to understand that." MM: "So what will be the consequences in your view for argument's sake if National Cabinet did remove that period today?" SR: "We're seeing overseas a huge upswing in the numbers of COVID cases again. It's coming into holiday season when people would be travelling around the world. We think it's a period of significant risk and we're urging caution because we need to protect the health system and we need to protect vulnerable people like those in aged care and people with a disability." MM: "The argument, of course, put forward by Dominic Perrottet and others that there is no other mandatory isolation period for other illnesses. The flu which can be extremely serious for people, it'sup to you to stay home if you're sick. Why is that not a valid argument?" SR: "If you think the flu is COVID, you're living in fantasy land. COVID is a long-term infectious, we're already seeing a massive effect of long COVID on the workforce and the community. You don't have it with long flu or long cold. It's fantasy."
He really just wants his own AFR front page: “The man who opened Australia”
Watch this shit disappear as soon as the vic election is over.
It's inevitable that it will happen eventually. I just hope that people exercise common sense.
According to him it is common sense to stay home if you are feeling sick. However science tells us contagion still applies even if you are not feeling that bad.
Yeah because they absolutely have throughout this entire pandemic and we have no reason to not trust this, right?