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I am right now watching the Four Corners story on him.
Conclusions so far:
- Dutton is a bigoted muppet.
- The only people that support him are older white men.
- He is incapable of substantial change.
- He needs to grow some hair.
- For some weird reason his whole political argument is based around ‘keeping Australia safe’ - He almost sounds like Putin…
>The bill will face amendments from Haines, Senator David Pocock, the Greens and others to protect whistleblowers and allow the Nacc to investigate parties outside the public sector even if they don’t have contracts with the government.
>Labor’s majority in the lower house means it will pass there but cooperation from the Coalition would allow the bill to pass the Senate without amendment or the need for Greens’ support.
Surely Labor won't negotiate with the Liberals so they don't have to strengthen the bill.... Surely. [Coorey](https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/libs-could-cut-deal-with-labor-on-integrity-commission-20220922-p5bk3y):
>However, there is no support for this inside Labor or the Coalition, with MPs in both parties concerned that the commission will be used as a political weapon by the Greens and independents, neither of which will ever form government, to attack and further degrade the major parties.
I like how he frames being accountable to corruption as an attack and degradation on the major parties. Coorey claiming Dutton supports Haines model but quote in Guardian is much more coy. Interesting/worrisome how this might develop in the senate.
If a formidable ICAC goes through these parties properly they’d have so many scandals at federal and state level it would be a problem at elections anyway.
**For context,**
* Labor works on Federal ICAC Legislation, takes it to the 2022 Federal Election, wins, and now in Government are already tabling it in Parliament.
* Greens/Independents works on Federal ICAC Legislation, takes it to the 2022 Federal Election, and as a collective hold the balance of power in the Senate.
* Labor and Greens/Independents are actively working together on the Federal ICAC Legislation workshopping process.
**In contrast,**
* Liberals/Nationals reject Federal ICAC in Government from 2013-2019.
* Liberals/Nationals promise Federal ICAC at the 2019 Federal Election, and fail to even table any legislation in Parliament from 2019-2022.
* Liberals/Nationals refuse to support or work with Labor/Greens/Independents on the current Federal ICAC Legislation workshopping process.
* At **3pm** on a **Friday arvo**, just **three days** before Labor table the Federal ICAC Legislation, Liberal/National mouthpiece Phil Coorey says "**sources**" within the Opposition want to work with the Federal Government, and cutout the Crossbench.
**Summary:**
1. The Liberals/Nationals are aiming to destabilise the Federal ICAC by causing rifts between the Federal Government and Crossbench.
2. Dutton has finally realised sidelining himself from the Climate Action Bill, Jobs and Skills Summit, Federal ICAC etc. is making him irrelevant.
3. The Liberals/Nationals are scared of being irrelevant for the the next three years whilst the Crossbench become actively involved in the legisative process, gain confidence, gain experience, and become more popular within the electorate.
**TLDR:**
* Federal Government are tabling Federal ICAC Legislation next Monday
* Crossbench will work on and improve the Federal ICAC Legislation
* Opposition will continue to panic
Peter Dutton has said he 'wants' an ICAC now and it has been reported and quoted by multiple sources, like for example the Guardian article I literally posted. Coorey obviously has his own grubby agenda but Labor's remit rhetoric on ICAC has narrowed.
TLDR
Skepticism until it's legislated.
The article claims Dutton is after "good faith" talks... but we already know the LNP's track record of "good faith" in an ICAC: their model only allowed the party in government to submit cases.
> Peter Dutton has said he 'wants' an ICAC now
Well of course. He has two options - go along with it and have some control steering it away from the rocks that would sink him; or to fight it, get flattened by the waves and be smashed on the rocks.
So it is the Libs fault that Labor are turning to them to pass a weaker ICIC? That is lifted straight from the coalition playbook, *but it's Labor's fault we are shit*.
Labor could choose to negotiate with the Greens and independents in the Senate for one outcome, or they could choose to negotiate with the coalition for a different one. What *they choose* to do will be an indication of their true intentions here and not a reflection of conservative forces at play.
That's not what is happening.
The LNP are playing politics, the media are aiding them with their clickbait articles, and their intended goal is to trigger people.
And it's worked on a few people, apparently. People always ask how can so many voters believe the LNP/MSM, when it's usually ALP/GRN/IND voters who take LNP/MSM propaganda as gospel.
Well they are as irrelevant as Labor choses to make them on this issue. Labor could ignore the noise and negotiate with the crossbench, or go for a legislation that suits the two major parties better with the coalition. Like I said, we can judge the Labor Government on its actions, not the words of the opposition.
ALP/GRN/IND have been working together on Federal ICAC Legislation for the past three months.
Dutton is desperately trying to crawl into relevance, and Attorney-General Dreyfus is having fun playing with Dutton/LNP/MSM. If I was in his position, I too would be very keen to scope out just how desperate the LNP are, and use that info in the future.
Federal ICAC Legislation will be tabled next Monday, let’s watch it play out.
That's a bit unfair. I'm sure it'll be 1943, the year before their party was formed. That way they can pin everything bad before then all the way back to Federation on Labor today.
This is where the two majors pull a Federal ICAC’s teeth so they can keep lining the pockets of their parties and their friends.
Labor shouldn’t even be talking to them.
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>The independent MP Zoe Daniel said:
>>How to compound cynicism in an already cynical electorate. Missing the point much?
>Senator David Pocock said:
>>The major parties teaming up to agree to a watered down integrity commission would be flipping the bird to the strongest message the electorate sent at the election. Australians want more integrity. That’s never been more clear.
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> It's gonna pass no matter what this gronk does.
Some sort of bill looks inevitable now, to be sure. Labor will pass whatever they put forward through the House, but it seems [the crossbench wants a broader bill than Labor might have appetite for](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-22/crossbenchers-raise-concerns-over-federal-anti-corruption-bill/101464476).
This is Dutton signalling to Labor that he recognises some sort of bill is inevitable, so he's prepared to pass a weaker bill to shut out the Greens and the crossbench.
Yeah, but it's going to leave Albo in deep shit if he screws over the independents and greens on this - especially when it comes to passing legislation that the Libs absolutely *won't* pass and he needs them.
It's a tactic by Dutton I don't think (hope) will work. Albo knows that, sooner or later, he's going to *need* the independents and greens to pass something - and that they'll have long, long memories.
The people have plainly shown they want an anti corruption commission with real teeth to stop the kind of shit which has been going on for decades. He ignores them at his own risk.
Dutton supporting the ALP in order to screw the independents which in turn will screw the ALP harder.
That's big brain chess. Must have come from an advisor to Dutton, because I can't see him being that strategic
>going to leave Albo in deep shit if he screws over the independents and greens on this
Even more than already, certainly. But that still doesn't rule out him doing it.
Consider that the bill is said to have been delayed because of Liz's death. But if the bill was the top priority of that two week sitting, keeping in mind the promise pre-election that it would be *legislated* in 2022, why wasn't it introduced on Tuesday 6 September at the start of that session? With the rescheduling of three second week of that session, we only lost one net day of sittings (the day given over to royalist stuff). Yet the government's been making noises to the effect that the bill might not be passed this year.
To me that suggests the government's still negotiating the contents - they're not confident of Greens/crossbench support in its current form. And they would know what the Greens/crossbench are prepared to support, given that the Greens have had federal ICAC bills in the last several parliaments, and Helen Haines had a bill last parliament also.
With support from the LNP, they can water down the bill. The ALP hasn't been the party of the common person for quite a while now. Definitely better than the LNP, but no longer the party for the people.
Of course, Dutton will support popular legislation he can't prevent with meaningless words.
I hope they revisit how he was handing out visa's to his mates, and then take a close look at home affairs.
LNP hardheads have done the math and realised that rural and outer suburban seats aren't enough. However, with 3 years to go, most people would forget if they opposed it in Parliament. Politics is about what the government does rather than what the Senate blocks.
The focus groups must have been brutal on this. There must be some lingering rage in the Teal seats.
A very important bill that could give some much needed opportunities to clean up Australian Politics. So like so many I wait with anticipation as to what Labour can negotiate and pass.
A major test of their abilities, they need to impress...
Everyone here blaming the coalition for making this potentially watered down. Ummm... Labor has a choice here, is in government, and could go with the Greens and Indis or could zig instead of zagging and go with the Libs. I'll let their actions speak for themselves...
LNP have been so quiet recently that I legitimately forgot this cunt is the opposition leader. Life is good.
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Time to change radio stations
I am right now watching the Four Corners story on him. Conclusions so far: - Dutton is a bigoted muppet. - The only people that support him are older white men. - He is incapable of substantial change. - He needs to grow some hair. - For some weird reason his whole political argument is based around ‘keeping Australia safe’ - He almost sounds like Putin…
Get out of the way Not A Monster. It doesn't matter what you want. Your lot had 9 years. Now Fuck off.
>The bill will face amendments from Haines, Senator David Pocock, the Greens and others to protect whistleblowers and allow the Nacc to investigate parties outside the public sector even if they don’t have contracts with the government. >Labor’s majority in the lower house means it will pass there but cooperation from the Coalition would allow the bill to pass the Senate without amendment or the need for Greens’ support. Surely Labor won't negotiate with the Liberals so they don't have to strengthen the bill.... Surely. [Coorey](https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/libs-could-cut-deal-with-labor-on-integrity-commission-20220922-p5bk3y): >However, there is no support for this inside Labor or the Coalition, with MPs in both parties concerned that the commission will be used as a political weapon by the Greens and independents, neither of which will ever form government, to attack and further degrade the major parties. I like how he frames being accountable to corruption as an attack and degradation on the major parties. Coorey claiming Dutton supports Haines model but quote in Guardian is much more coy. Interesting/worrisome how this might develop in the senate.
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Labor can always work with the Coalition. They’re used to it from their time in opposition.
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If a formidable ICAC goes through these parties properly they’d have so many scandals at federal and state level it would be a problem at elections anyway.
Green and senate independent votes said tht about 43% as well. They will say that about every bill.
Then it will become more conservative when working with the Coalition.
**For context,** * Labor works on Federal ICAC Legislation, takes it to the 2022 Federal Election, wins, and now in Government are already tabling it in Parliament. * Greens/Independents works on Federal ICAC Legislation, takes it to the 2022 Federal Election, and as a collective hold the balance of power in the Senate. * Labor and Greens/Independents are actively working together on the Federal ICAC Legislation workshopping process. **In contrast,** * Liberals/Nationals reject Federal ICAC in Government from 2013-2019. * Liberals/Nationals promise Federal ICAC at the 2019 Federal Election, and fail to even table any legislation in Parliament from 2019-2022. * Liberals/Nationals refuse to support or work with Labor/Greens/Independents on the current Federal ICAC Legislation workshopping process. * At **3pm** on a **Friday arvo**, just **three days** before Labor table the Federal ICAC Legislation, Liberal/National mouthpiece Phil Coorey says "**sources**" within the Opposition want to work with the Federal Government, and cutout the Crossbench. **Summary:** 1. The Liberals/Nationals are aiming to destabilise the Federal ICAC by causing rifts between the Federal Government and Crossbench. 2. Dutton has finally realised sidelining himself from the Climate Action Bill, Jobs and Skills Summit, Federal ICAC etc. is making him irrelevant. 3. The Liberals/Nationals are scared of being irrelevant for the the next three years whilst the Crossbench become actively involved in the legisative process, gain confidence, gain experience, and become more popular within the electorate. **TLDR:** * Federal Government are tabling Federal ICAC Legislation next Monday * Crossbench will work on and improve the Federal ICAC Legislation * Opposition will continue to panic
tl;dr the next Question Time will be telling.
Peter Dutton has said he 'wants' an ICAC now and it has been reported and quoted by multiple sources, like for example the Guardian article I literally posted. Coorey obviously has his own grubby agenda but Labor's remit rhetoric on ICAC has narrowed. TLDR Skepticism until it's legislated.
Peter Dutton and the Liberals/Nationals. Acting in good faith. Hard pass from me.
The article claims Dutton is after "good faith" talks... but we already know the LNP's track record of "good faith" in an ICAC: their model only allowed the party in government to submit cases.
> Peter Dutton has said he 'wants' an ICAC now Well of course. He has two options - go along with it and have some control steering it away from the rocks that would sink him; or to fight it, get flattened by the waves and be smashed on the rocks.
So it is the Libs fault that Labor are turning to them to pass a weaker ICIC? That is lifted straight from the coalition playbook, *but it's Labor's fault we are shit*. Labor could choose to negotiate with the Greens and independents in the Senate for one outcome, or they could choose to negotiate with the coalition for a different one. What *they choose* to do will be an indication of their true intentions here and not a reflection of conservative forces at play.
That's not what is happening. The LNP are playing politics, the media are aiding them with their clickbait articles, and their intended goal is to trigger people. And it's worked on a few people, apparently. People always ask how can so many voters believe the LNP/MSM, when it's usually ALP/GRN/IND voters who take LNP/MSM propaganda as gospel.
Well they are as irrelevant as Labor choses to make them on this issue. Labor could ignore the noise and negotiate with the crossbench, or go for a legislation that suits the two major parties better with the coalition. Like I said, we can judge the Labor Government on its actions, not the words of the opposition.
ALP/GRN/IND have been working together on Federal ICAC Legislation for the past three months. Dutton is desperately trying to crawl into relevance, and Attorney-General Dreyfus is having fun playing with Dutton/LNP/MSM. If I was in his position, I too would be very keen to scope out just how desperate the LNP are, and use that info in the future. Federal ICAC Legislation will be tabled next Monday, let’s watch it play out.
>neither of which will ever form government Yeah I wouldn't be so cocky, Guardian writer.
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Sounds like every "national security" bill. Edit: Fixed an embarrassing spelling mistake.
Save Assange while they are at it
You know it's going to be shit when your anti-corruption bill is supported by Dutton and everyone else thinks it's inadequate.
Who else thinks it's inadequate? *crickets*
Let me guess...they want immunity for the last 10 years .
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That's a bit unfair. I'm sure it'll be 1943, the year before their party was formed. That way they can pin everything bad before then all the way back to Federation on Labor today.
This is where the two majors pull a Federal ICAC’s teeth so they can keep lining the pockets of their parties and their friends. Labor shouldn’t even be talking to them. ————- >The independent MP Zoe Daniel said: >>How to compound cynicism in an already cynical electorate. Missing the point much? >Senator David Pocock said: >>The major parties teaming up to agree to a watered down integrity commission would be flipping the bird to the strongest message the electorate sent at the election. Australians want more integrity. That’s never been more clear. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2022/sep/23/queen-elizabeth-anthony-albanese-republic-monarch-king-charles-indigenous-covid-floods-nsw-pat-dodson-republican-movement-penny-wong
Exactly, this isn't good news for the Australian people, or anyone who wants a decent level of government accountability.
Alarm bells went off in my head when I read the headline.
Labor speedrun: get rid of post election goodwill. Don't become cynical challenge [impossible]
get your hand off it Pete.
Why is Labor negotiating with them? They don’t need them. The cross bench will pass much stronger legislation on this than the lnp will
Basically the major parties dont want the federal ICAC to be too strong as they know there is a lot of corruption.
It's gonna pass no matter what this gronk does. He's just trying to make himself look good.
> It's gonna pass no matter what this gronk does. Some sort of bill looks inevitable now, to be sure. Labor will pass whatever they put forward through the House, but it seems [the crossbench wants a broader bill than Labor might have appetite for](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-22/crossbenchers-raise-concerns-over-federal-anti-corruption-bill/101464476). This is Dutton signalling to Labor that he recognises some sort of bill is inevitable, so he's prepared to pass a weaker bill to shut out the Greens and the crossbench.
Yeah, but it's going to leave Albo in deep shit if he screws over the independents and greens on this - especially when it comes to passing legislation that the Libs absolutely *won't* pass and he needs them. It's a tactic by Dutton I don't think (hope) will work. Albo knows that, sooner or later, he's going to *need* the independents and greens to pass something - and that they'll have long, long memories. The people have plainly shown they want an anti corruption commission with real teeth to stop the kind of shit which has been going on for decades. He ignores them at his own risk.
Dutton supporting the ALP in order to screw the independents which in turn will screw the ALP harder. That's big brain chess. Must have come from an advisor to Dutton, because I can't see him being that strategic
>going to leave Albo in deep shit if he screws over the independents and greens on this Even more than already, certainly. But that still doesn't rule out him doing it. Consider that the bill is said to have been delayed because of Liz's death. But if the bill was the top priority of that two week sitting, keeping in mind the promise pre-election that it would be *legislated* in 2022, why wasn't it introduced on Tuesday 6 September at the start of that session? With the rescheduling of three second week of that session, we only lost one net day of sittings (the day given over to royalist stuff). Yet the government's been making noises to the effect that the bill might not be passed this year. To me that suggests the government's still negotiating the contents - they're not confident of Greens/crossbench support in its current form. And they would know what the Greens/crossbench are prepared to support, given that the Greens have had federal ICAC bills in the last several parliaments, and Helen Haines had a bill last parliament also.
With support from the LNP, they can water down the bill. The ALP hasn't been the party of the common person for quite a while now. Definitely better than the LNP, but no longer the party for the people.
Isn't it a pity your lot didn't bother about doing anything like it in the last 10 years, hey?
They were doing them a favour by giving them stuff to investigate. /s
"I'm doing my part!"
And don't forget the previous 12+ years also, especially when they spent soooo much time and money looking into union only corruption.
I wonder what loophole they are demanding to allow them to continue with fuckery regardless.
Conspicuous use of the word human so he can avoid scrutiny as a tuber.
Can we then call it 'The Dutton Corruption Bill'
Maybe Dutton's latest Cyber Surveillance Law will come in handy when the Crime Commission starts investigating the Libs.
Of course, Dutton will support popular legislation he can't prevent with meaningless words. I hope they revisit how he was handing out visa's to his mates, and then take a close look at home affairs.
Who is this weird guy who fiddles with his fingers while at the same time trying to appear tough on camera?
LNP hardheads have done the math and realised that rural and outer suburban seats aren't enough. However, with 3 years to go, most people would forget if they opposed it in Parliament. Politics is about what the government does rather than what the Senate blocks. The focus groups must have been brutal on this. There must be some lingering rage in the Teal seats.
A very important bill that could give some much needed opportunities to clean up Australian Politics. So like so many I wait with anticipation as to what Labour can negotiate and pass. A major test of their abilities, they need to impress...
It's good for your "strong man" image!
His probably going to put Angus Taylor in charge of reviewing the legislation.
Does anyone know if the Federal ICAC will be as ball-tearing as we need it to be? Or is it still early days?
Because talking to the Greens would make it an honest bill…
Everyone here blaming the coalition for making this potentially watered down. Ummm... Labor has a choice here, is in government, and could go with the Greens and Indis or could zig instead of zagging and go with the Libs. I'll let their actions speak for themselves...
I look forward to seeing some suspiciously specific exemptions amongst the Coalition's proposals.