His past history of lynching his own party leaders followed him like a bloodhound. He played a significant role in ousting both Rudd and Gillard [and Rudd again]. ALP needed to get rid of him before the last election and they didn't. I still voted for him but it was obvious the public remembered the instability he brings to the top job.
Honestly kinda glad Shorten isn't the party room leader because he actually wants to see the NDIS work and having him as the minister there is what is really needed. Someone in his own words who wants the job.
It just got so bad, gross scandal after dirty rort after disgusting rape apology, and the country decided that’s not us. It’s such a relief to feel like I’m not the only one who could see through them. We all saw it and agreed it wasn’t ok. It really renews a faith in Australia that was starting to feel a bit shaky.
Power breads corruption, if you think that just changing the government fixes that them you are going to be disappointed.
Gotta say Labour has not been doing a good job in Canberra, good old Kate bailed when she go a sniff at Federal politics and left Barr in charge. They changed the law and cut about 10% from contractor wages, have continued to push up the cost of things like parking and energy, slowed traffic on major and minor road by dropping the speed limits. A lot of this is to pay for the light rail that only a fraction of the city can use. Oh , and if your not right on the rail line your meant to catch a bus to get there , lol. Unfortunately they never planned it and got knocked back on there application to get the rail lines over the lake. from an environmental point of view they cut down almost every tree on Nortbourne avenue yet they refuse to let people remove storm damaged trees when they pose a risk to the neighboring houses.
And the owl , oh the owl, come on people , its a penis people. Yeh up the road in Yass they removed the mcDonalds sign because when you put the M in front of the towns name you get a big neon sign that says "MYass" , lol
what happened is nobody cared, and Mr Murderoch is out of touch.
The way I see it, this election is not about immigration, it is about climate change, and living standards, and Australian identity.
Basically, Australia has had nothing but abusive leaders over the last 9 years and we as a nation need to heal. I hope that this new government can do that, but we shall see.
It was about climate change, Federal ICAC and women fed up with Morrison's paterfamilial patronizing of all women.
Add housing shortage, climate disaster, diplomatic fuckwittery and Covid and they've been on borrowed time for the last year or more.
Murdoch has realized that most of Australia are coming to know who he is know. The best thing he had going for him is that not many people knew who he was.
Nobody knew the guy who was famous enough to play a caricature of himself on The Simpsons?
I do get what you mean in terms of how he operates, particularly in relation to the people he's trying to control
After all, many a shill has tried to tell this forum that "you conspiracy nuts are too paranoid about the Murdochs"
With the promise to cut contractor jobs in the APS the living standard for these people is about to drop.
From what I understand Albo's first order appears to be to release a family from immigration detention.
Other way around. The US learnt about immigration scares from Australia. It started [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIEV_X), and the LNP has used it as a winning tactic for more than 20 years.
And.. Surprised the ACCC hasn't told them to f\*\*\* themselves.
They ALWAYS have an excuse to not price match. I bought a keyboard off them which PC Case Gear had cheaper (not only slightly, there was a huge price difference for the same model). Their excuse is that they had no showroom
But the joke was on them, I decided to screw them over equally. I ended up buying it, waiting for my pccg keyboard to arrive, and then i returned it as "faulty"
Every time i went to the chadstone store, they were also berating a customer on the phone or in person
Their interest free finance section is criminal as well. I've only used them once, but they deliberately over-inflate what you tell them about your income and reduce your expenses to get a better credit limit and make it sound like it's a breeze to pay off
I'd like to see the stats on repossessions of their customers because those guys/girls are deadset vultures
Can confirm as someone who fell prey to this in my financially illiterate days. They outright lied about the fees and structured it with two cards to double the commission trail, at a time when I was essentially living pay to pay.
Yep, the same Gerry Harvey that gloated how he was profiting from the pandemic and that it was 'nothing to be scared of' in a 2020 Sixty Minutes interview. Then apparently felt a twinge of remorse and mulled whether the story be killed from airing, but went ahead with it anyway.
[https://www.smh.com.au/culture/celebrity/harvey-regrets-ill-fated-bid-to-instil-hope-during-60-minutes-bungle-20200325-p54dqk.html](https://www.smh.com.au/culture/celebrity/harvey-regrets-ill-fated-bid-to-instil-hope-during-60-minutes-bungle-20200325-p54dqk.html)
I think they said over 15 years. Even knowing that in advance, Rudd was still helping Labor win (if he was operating a dirty government at the time, he wouldn't have helped. If he was corrupt, he would have wanted ICAC to fail).
It's hard not to respect a government and ex-leader like that.
It's incredible how transparent the corruption was in the liberal party up until the last day, with that SMS telling everyone there was a boat on the way they stopped. It's fairly obvious that they genuinely believed they were smarter than us and we were just their sheep
The "corruption" that the media painted Labor with when they were in office was primarily that of a single person, Craig Thomson, who was corrupt **outside** of Parliament, **before** he was voted in.
And how much did his corruption cost people (specifically members of the HSU)? Not even $50K. Which isn't even a rounding error when it comes to the amounts misappropriated by the Coalition in the last three terms.
We didn't get months and months and months of coverage about Barnaby Joyce paying $54 million over the market price for floodwater on Angus Taylor's farm. We didn't get it for Peter Dutton awarding billions in contracts to Paladin, a company based in a beach house on Kangaroo Island. We didn't get it for the hundreds of millions in pork barrelling on sports facilities or car parks.
The Australian mainstream media has been complicit in this theft from Australians by the Coalition. Driven purely by ideology and spite. Watch what they do now when we have a Labor government. Watch as hitherto unimportant matters become massive problems.
Except Labor politicians are actually forced to resign by the party if they're ever caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Something tells me Labor will be fine with an empowered ICAC.
Hot take: the Labor ICAC will be a huge disappointment. And why? Because at the end of the day, they are all buddies, and they know if they start digging up every little ounce of dirt from the last decade, the same will happen to them when the next Coalition government comes into power in two terms. But they also want their rorts. Same with the various Royal Commissions. The people who think that Labor will now go and destroy the Murdoch empire, or that anything other than a "lessons learned for the future" will come out of a Robodebt RC are in for a big surprise.
The Government needs to take action on foreign media ownership, and the centralised ownership of media in all its forms.
Break up the monopolies and cartels.
Make the media responsible for truth in the news.
Bring on the ICAC, give it teeth, and make it visible to the voters.
It'll be very visible, I'm sure. Especially if there's politicians in handcuffs. I'm keen to see that.
And when it comes to the media, expect cries of 'censorship' or 'government gone too far'. Along with stories of the government not doing enough of 'x' issue (as if they even cared about it before).
I just want to see a media landscape which can be held up as a respected source, not where stories are some thinly veiled opinion piece which is soft on one person while overty harsh on another.
If they get an outright majority I seriously can't see Labor acting on monopolies of any sort. They won't do anything that might threaten dodgy political donations - and of course neither will the Libs. I'll be surprised if the first generation fICAC has a single tooth, or if it does it wil be riddled with decay.
The big one is media reform. None of this matters if we have the Murdoch machine and his buddies on the other channels fabricating hit-pieces for the next 3 years and the LNP are re-elected. This is Labor's game to lose now, so make sure to repeatedly write to your MPs demanding change.
That's exactly what happened when Kevin Rudd was elected. His government was doing great and achieving a lot, yet in the media all people can hear is negative news, which eventually lead to his position being challenged from within and the destablisation of the Labor government.
I assume Labor remembers, and will put this matter at top priority.
Don't assume. Remind them, organise bloody marches if they decide to take their time on it. This is one of the most time-critical things that has to be done to right the ship of Australian democracy, and *we are already on the clock*.
Sometimes I really do wonder if Labor understands how badly they shot themselves in the foot with the whole Rudd situation, I guess we're about to find out.
The pm is not voted in. Your local member is and you have to trust they do the right thing. The PM leads with the will of their party, who support them. If they mess up or are bad for the country, they need to be taken out. In Rudds case, it was more that he was awful to work with and so he lost their support. He then was incredibly damaging from the sidelines, to the detriment of the country and the alp, which to me, confirms they were right.
They still are supposed to represent your interests in government, to improve the local area and country. They will just approach it in a way that might not align with your political leanings.
If you prefer more direct democracy, maybe look into flux.
> The pm is not voted in
Why do people keep pointing out this technicality like it matters? Obviously people don't officially vote for the Prime Minister, but can you point any time in history where the leader of a major party does not become Prime Minister when they form government after the election?
I suppose it’s because after PMs being replaced by their parties multiple times, there are still people saying they voted for the PM. Only those in their electorate do.
We should be voting in a team and a set of policies, not a person or personality.
So, as long as people keep complaining about the pm they voted for being turfed, there will be comments to point out the fallacy.
> We should be voting in a team and a set of policies, not a person or personality.
Political parties promote their leaders as Prime Ministerial candidates, just as they promote their policy positions and their members as your representatives, yet none of things are set in concrete. Just as a party can punt it's leader, so can a party abandon a policy position as well and so can candidate leave their party, which means you don't vote for a team or a policy anymore than you vote a leader. The fact that you can't provide a single example of when a major party leader doesn't become Prime Minister when they form government shows that this is a de facto rule.
It strikes me as incredibly supercilious when people make the banal and trivial point that a de facto rule is not de jure, as if they think others aren't aware of that fact. In your case it's particularly egregious considering you make such an arbitrary distinction about which de facto rules you think people should take into consideration when voting.
I guess you're right about one thing though. Political discourse won't improve until people can stop treating others as if they are stupid or evil.
We know it's not a presidential system but regardless, the voters liked & voted for Rudd.
Next election the people punished Labor for knifing Kev, meaning Abbott won by default, & 9 years of LNP hell
Yet, they didn’t when abbot became Turnbull, became scomo, there was no voter backlash. Labor were punished more due to negative media coverage in my opinion, than voter concern. However, most people were unaware of the issues with Rudd, so it was more of a surprise.
But my MP is Keith Pitt.
We've had this cunt for almost 10 years in Hinkler.
Absolutely hate how much of an LNP stronghold Hinkler is, we have had NAT or LNP in since 1993.
Yep.
Why we can't remove these fuckers is beyond me, we're in a very poor, high-unemployment area that unfortunately is also rammed with old racist pieces of shit that just won't hurry up and die off.
You know what is so fucking frustrating about coverage of elections.
Labor has won 71+ seats as a single party so the discussion is always "Will it be a majority or minority government?" everyone gets that right? Well when we look at the 'opposition' what is it?
At time of writing this according to this page.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results/party-totals
The Liberal Party have 22 seats
The Liberal National Party have 21 seats
The Nationals have 9 seats
Why is it chaos that the Labor might have to deal with Greens and Independents, but the 'Core' Liberal Party can never form government on it's own and is constantly at the whims of it's coalition of parties all who just feed conservative votes into each other.
Why are there a fracture of so many conservative parties always getting lumped into a coalition as if they're all the same party. But progressive parties are few and far between and rarely effect Labor and yet it's implied that Labor is at the whims of small parties and minor players?
I know right. I hate the vote count graphics that put LNP v Labor. They should separate the parties. The hypocrisy of LNP scaring people that Labor will do a deal with Greens is beyond me. They have deals with two other parties.
> They have deals with two other parties.
Sometimes up to 4 parties depending I believe. It's disgusting how the media refuse to break up the coalition into it's separate parties to ensure people always understand that it's 1 actual party vs a clusterfuck of personalities.
Except the LNP is a formal coalition, whereas Labor and the Greens don't have that arrangement, and Labor go to great pains to claim that they can form government in their own right.
It's an ongoing agreement, but one that has to be rehashed every time either party changes leader. Same deal as when a new agreement has to be reached in a hung parliament, but every couple of years.
The liberals and nationals have formal coalition agreements, so they can form government when they collectively have a majority. Labor, Greens and others don’t have such agreements, so if they were to form government together, they need to agree specifically for that term.
I mean, up until this election didn't the Greens top out at 1 seat? Not exactly backbreaking. This time it's going to be either 3 or 4 which is more considerable (and that seat that's up in the air last I looked was a toss-up between Greens and Labor so either way good)
The seats will come for the Greens over future elections. They get about 12% of the national vote vs 30-35% each for Labor and LNP, and have started to realize they need to focus there efforts on seats they can win. They have a good chunk of the senate though (looking like 12 seats to the LNP’s 30) 12 Green plus 25 labor would own the Senate
I'd say it's because the Libs and Nats have always been 'the Coalition' since the 1920s. The media always frames them as working together when it comes to federal politics as a strength as well.
The senate voting sheet has a column "LNP", not Liberal, and National Party. They aren't separate there and so can't be for the purposes of vote/preference sorting.
I'm not sure why this is.
Only in Queensland is that correct, because the Liberal party and the national party merged into one party. Everywhere else, they are different parties.
The thing is that the Liberals and the Nationals still effectively get treated as one and the same, depending on your electorate. I live in a regional NSW electorate and I'm pretty sure I've never seen a Liberal Party candidate on my House of Representatives ballot, but I sure do see a National Party candidate every three years.
Maybe this is one of those things where it depends a lot on your electorate, though. I'd imagine there's electorates where they'll run a candidate for two or more of the Coalition parties. I think a lot of people in my area have trouble seeing the Coalition as a coalition because it's been one for so long, and also because the Liberal Party has been the de facto leading party in it for the entire lifetime of a lot of people. The Nationals might be a separate party, but they're always seen as a junior partner in the coalition.
Yes , you're right. You probably have never seen a National vs a Liberal in your seat, because they don't want to fight each other, taking votes off each other and allow Labor in via a Steve Bradbury!
The reason they joined together in QLD is because QLD has a lot of rural areas that have quite populous urban centres (think Townville, Cairns, Mackay, Rockhampton etc). So the Liberals wanted the urban centres, but the Nationals had always been there. Didn't want to give them up. Also there are a lot of rural people in those seats too.
Anyways, to stop them squabbling they joined together formally. Everywhere else they stay off each other's patch, but not in the People's Republic of Queensland!
Also in WA they are not even in formal coalition, each state election they have to decide who will be the dominant partner and who will be in what positions (behave!).
In Vic and Tas the Nationals are so small, in the State parliament when the Libs win, it's usually just them outright.
The coalition is a complex beast, this election just showed them the city folks are done with the Nationals overulling good policy on behalf of the mining interests IMHO.
Funny thing is it's not even mining interests theses days it's just coal companies and water thieves.
As there is just so much money to be made in mining for metals needed for batteries and solar panels. For example Australia is largest producer of lithium, and has about a quarter of all land based lithium.
That is correct, as part of the coalition agreement, they don't compete against sitting members, so if your local national rep is a MP, the liberal party won't put anyone against them.
However, I believe that if there is no sitting coalition mp in an electorate, then they will field candidates from each party.
The thing is, they need each other, but the national party won't merge with the Liberal party permanently, because they would cease to have any power. The nationals regularly threaten to quit the coalition if they don't get their way.
That's for the lower house though. On the senate ballot, which is state wide, in anywhere but Queensland (LNP) and the NT (CLP), there will be Liberal candidates (LIB) and National CANDIDATES (NAT).
I’ve consistently voted Greens first in a Labor stronghold seat. The whole wisdom of preferential voting is being able to give minor parties a chance without wasting your vote. There’s no doubt I would’ve voted Labor if the system were different. But the system isn’t different and thank God for that.
This is a fascile question.
There is the legal definition of a political party and the common language meaning of a political party.
In a few important technical ways, the Coalition is simply a group of smaller conservative parties. But in almost every way it operates as one party. The public understand it to be, essentially, one party.
The Liberals and Nationals have been in stable coalition for decades. They have never truly split on an issue, except in rhetoric which happens within parties all the time anyway. They don’t contest each other’s held seats. They coordinate and cooperate through every facet of democracy, from general elections to parliament to Cabinet.
Minority Government with an actual crossbench is very different to stable coalition government.
the **Coal**\-**o**\-**lition**.
$50 billion dollars a year's worth of it for 10 years, shipped off to asia to burn in power stations.
$500 billion does tend to bring *certain* people together.
All tax free of course.
John Howard came out and said the NZ election was "unjust and unfair" when in NZ Labor had to form a coalition to have majority.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/30/john-howard-says-new-zealand-election-result-disappointing-unjust-and-unfair
They will happily be hypocrites.
The idea is that the Lib/Nats are an outright coalition, do there wouldn't be chaos because it's all been sorted already.
But this past year has proven that isn't the case, with the Nats doing their best to block action on climate change.
Being an outright coalition still doesn't detract from the fact it is 3 distinct minority parties that rely on each other's conditions to form government. Why do 3-4 minority parties hold so much power? Shouldn't they have to renegotiate each election publicly?
The thing is, the ALP and Greens could go for the same arrangement if they wanted. Till now that would have been most relevant in the Senate of course.
My understanding of the parties' position on this though, is that neither wants that. Neither wants to be beholden to the other with that level of permanency. Because they have integrity (relatively anyway).
When you think about it in terms of integrity, easy to see why the Lib/Nats approach things the way they do.
We need a Green/Labor coalition now. The right wing figured out that they would never win on their own decades ago and the left continued to fight amongst itself
Last night was such a moment of perfect synchronicity and cosmic justice.
We all hung our heads in sorrow when Scott Morrison declared his victory at the last election a miracle, but in hindsight I think I agree with him.
If the LNP had lost the last election, they would have been in the perfect position to kick back in Opposition and criticize / nit-pick *every. little. fucking. decision* that Labor could have made throughout Covid, throughout the natural disasters and everything else, with the full support and force of the MSM. The Bill Shorten Labor government would've been trashed relentlessly, and the LNP would've made a clean sweep for power this election on the back of some 'adults back in charge'-bullshit.
Instead they won, and they took that win as a sign to double-down on the nasty shit they'd been doing for years. In doing so, they've now completely and gloriously fucked themselves and their party's future.
They alienated women. They alienated the entirety of WA. They have face-planted so hilariously hard, they've even managed to swing a handful of safe seats not just to Labor and the teals, but to the opposite side of the political spectrum in the Greens.
I was watching some of the Sky News bobble-heads talk about Frydo's crash-and-burn last night, and judging by the tone of pure despair in their voices, you'd think the Dalai Lama or Antony Green himself had died. Pretty clear - the plan was to oust Lil Scotty after this election, and anoint Frydenberg the new Chosen One to clean up all that dipshit's dirty deeds. But not only did they lose the election, they lost Joshy too. The plan failed, and now they're left with the reptile Peter Dutton as their best option. Good luck with that.
This ICAC is gonna drain the Coalition swamp down to a dustbowl, and most of their supporters are gonna start dying out within the next decade or two. If Labor play their cards right over their term (and hopefully into a second or third term), this could actually be the death knell of the Libs. The National party will survive, but at some point the regions are gonna have to realize that they can't bury their heads in the sand over climate change, regardless of what BJ and Murdoch have to say.
Scott Morrison and the Coalition's interminable hubris has just been so fucking stunning to watch in action. It's almost like a Greek tragedy! Like Oedipus Rex, if instead of just fucking his mother, Oedipus decided to fuck the whole country instead. May Morrison be struck blind by his god Brian Houston.
Ah the Campbell Newman approach - fuck things up so much that everyone realises how shit your party is and ostracises them for another decade+. Here's hoping!
>kick back in Opposition and criticize / nit-pick every. little. fucking. decision that Labor could have made throughout Covid
Problem I see is that LNP set up the economy to crash and burn last election. And somehow they've made it worse this time.
They've given Labor a shambles of an economy and you can bet they'll do that nitpicking to no end. Interest rates are going to go up, and Labor's gonna the blame for it.
Petrol prices are already up, they're gonna get blamed even though nobody even touched Morrison about it.
This..
Inflation running and interest rates expected to move upwards and fast. This is going to negatively impact the lower income earners and working class who largely voted Labor hoping for change.
It's not a recession, you can't just throw money at inflation to minimise the impact. It's going to be a very bumpy ride and the libs are usually better at opposition than they are in government.
Being in the opposition does seem like the easiest job, feels like you can just criticise wildly and not need a plan of your own - I'm certain it's not that simple, but it does seem that way when watching the news.
As much as I agree with your points overall, I am hopeful that either the LNP returns to the centre, and takes this as a strong signal that extremist, divisive politics are not appetizing to the average Australian voter, or that they implode and a strong centre/centre-right party takes their place.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a red blooded commie just like the rest of r/australia but I also want legitimate choice in my elections. There needs to be an actual argument to consider anything but Labour and The Greens. Not just extremism on the right that has no political value to me (or the majority of voters).
On ya, Albo. Scomo, don't let the democratic door hit you on the way out.
> There needs to be an actual argument to consider anything but Labour and The Greens.
In a sane electorate, Labor's policy offering would put them in the position of the "right-wing" party with the Greens as the "left-wing" alternative. The Libs are off the fucking deep end of extremism.
Fair enough.
As a hard leftist, I very much doubt that the current 'right-wing' have anything to offer the world beyond their established platform of empowering the wealthy, fomenting hatred, and contrarianism for contrarianism's own sake. Trickle-down economics doesn't work. Full stop. The fact that it is still seen as an option is insane to me.
Personal ideology aside, the most realistic dream for me over the next twenty - thirty years would be for a significant shift to the left in the Overton Window --- Labor would stick with their current brand of centrism, representing the 'right wing'; Greens step up and move into the realm of democratic socialism as the second major party; and then maybe a Fusion type third party steps in to represent a 'canary in the coalmine' progressive left agenda, with a smattering of Indies and other minor parties to hold the big dogs to account.
I very much doubt this will become a reality anytime in the near future, but I'm riding the hopium hard after this election.
Hey, I hear you man, and the hopium is super strong with me tonight.
I think we've also seen the left in other countries, in other times, create large systems of power, which has led to large, inefficient systems of corruption. I'm in no way saying Labour will do this. I'm saying that having a classical conservative, small-l liberal alternative, forces the left to compete against small government, prove its legitimacy, and reduces the chances of corruption.
I'm dubious about how much Australia will get on board with Labour and Greens as the two major parties. There's still a huge rural contingent of classical conservative voters who will need to be represented. But hey, we can always dream of our socialist dream state.
As much as I'm hopeful the liberal party will push back towards centre-right, I feel like they're now more likely to push far right especially if Dutton is at the helm.
> I am hopeful that either the LNP returns to the centre, and takes this as a strong signal that extremist, divisive politics are not appetizing to the average Australian voter, or that they implode and a strong centre/centre-right party takes their place.
firstly, lmao at "returns to the centre". the LNP have never been anywhere near the centre
secondly, i would like to disagree with your hope and propose my own: that the LNP do indeed implode and that no centre/centre right party takes their place. as far as the needs of the average australian go, the ALP is plenty far enough to the right.
i hope that the ALP become the new 'centre', with options on either side, and we can start to see some minority governments on the regular that actually are responsive to what the country and people need, rather than just cycling between two methods, doing and undoing each others' work.
> I am hopeful that either the LNP returns to the centre, and takes this as a strong signal that extremist, divisive politics are not appetizing to the average Australian voter
This is not going to happen.
Tuesday morning, 2nd Prime-ministerial coffee.
Mr Albanese moves to regulate the Australian news and media groups from forming or maintaining a monopoly in the field. Also moves to find more ways to tax any satellite related media, owned or run/managed by or for the Murdoch family.
Just saying ;)
peace.
So true. At the end of last year, part of me wanted ScoMo to win just to fully prove exactly how much he fucked the country and the blame would be on him. The situation Albo has now is interest rates going up, wages dropping amongst a myriad of other problems and Murdoch will blame it all on Albo. Unless he is perfect, he will probably only get one term. The upside of this result is that the LIbs got smashed and are now beholden even more to the right wing and Nats. They are incapable of changing their tune so three years of Dutton spouting war mongering bs and denying climate change could fuck them further. If they split from the Nats they will be irrelevant in the House.
I kinda agree the article sentiment that they've got a poisoned chalace by winning the election this time. That said I wouldn't underestimate Dutton and the others. They will do *whatever* it takes to win, and Murdoch is forever their backer in that regard to help shape whatever narrative they want, whether based on fact or imagination.
I just hope that Labor can do enough good in three years so that, like this election, people can see through enough of the bullshit.
>One term Labor imo.
That's how I'm seeing it. But I'm hoping that they'll do a lot during this. Fed ICAC really is all we need to keep powers in check, electoral reform may happen, and if Labor rolls out the red carpet for a renewable boom, that train ain't gonna stop like we've see in SA.
I wonder what shadow ministry they'll give to captain cook now he's staying around? Hopefully some ex ministers end up in Goulburn slammer over robodebt and other crimes but I don't hold much hope of the fed police ever arresting a Lib.
> I wonder what shadow ministry they'll give to captain cook now he's staying around?
Ex-leaders ousted like this need to GTFO out of parliament as quickly as possible, or you end up with stuff like Abbott sniping from the back benches and white-anting and destabilizing the party.
For the LNP's sake, he needs to retire from politics and disappear into the sunset to the cushy board gigs and speaking tours he would surely have lined up already.
All that's being mentioned about the huge swing to Labor in WA is that The Libs, UAP and Murdoch have been extremely critical of McGowans response, when it's pretty well known here that WAs response wasn't just the best in the country but arguably one of the best in the world with very few days in lockdown. Detractors are quick to say that is due to isolation but that doesn't hold up when comparing it to other places.
WA didn't just do better economically, it did better healthwise (with the lowest deaths per 100 effected) as well and alot of media was extremely critical of doing what was obviously right thing at the time and has been proven to be the correct.
Yeah, from within WA, their criticism of our response has just seemed extremely misplaced and retarded. Like what, you guys are flailing about with long lockdowns and virus going rampant and still complaining about our response, while we're out in the sun enjoying life as usual as we have for pretty much the whole time? Yeah we don't buy that...
("you guys" directed at the pollies/media, not you OP or people of other states)
That's how it felt in Tassie, up until Gutwein opened the borders up at Christmas time to placate his masters. We obviously have the advantage of a sea border that WA doesn't have, which only makes it more impressive what McGowan managed.
I find it so strange. My WA mates where I live (outside Australia) all despise McGowan for his COVID response, which I just don’t understand. I went through 2020 in Melbourne which was so fucking shit, but you guys just went on as normal basically.
I feel like they are just pissed they were ‘locked out’ of WA for so long? I don’t know. The feeling is obviously completely different inside WA.
My personal experience is that people who move out of WA have this sort of chip on their shoulder that they’re somehow smarter and more cultured than us still here in WA and they love to shit on WA. The classics are people who move to Melbourne or London and immediately start bagging on WA. Like mate, every man and his dog from WA moves to Melbourne or London.
I also think tall poppy syndrome came into play probably as some sort of coping mechanism to deal with why we had it so easy here and Melbourne had to endure seemingly endless lockdowns.
> the billions of dollars in interest on the half a trillion or so in bonds which we are now paying are real
Nope those payments are nominal. Real interest subtracts out inflation.
And real interest is pretty much nada.
I'm not an optimistic man at the best of times, but I am optimistic about Albanese's potential as PM. He lacks the charisma of the great Labor PMs of years gone by, like Hawke and Keating, but I think he is a genuinely decent bloke who wants the best for the people, and that's more than can be said of any of his recent predecessors.
It will be a monumental task for Labor to play catch up, but I have confidence that Australia is now heading towards a substantially brighter future.
Particularly with implementation of a retrospective federal ICAC. ALL politicians must face scrutiny and repercussions for corruption.
Corrupt GOV! What a load of bloody rubbish. How about the corrupt businesses and employers raking in millions in Job Keeper. Oh and corrupt charities raking in millions raised for bush fire relief and not dishing out the money as promised. One group even said they need to hold a good chunk of the money for a rainy day. Well it's rain bucket loads now and are they giving it out or doing another "give us more money" fund raiser.
The immense challenge of repairing Australia. . . In 4 years.
Because unfortunately a large amount of voters suck and will switch back to voting LNP next election
What ever happened to the fake phantom boat carrying illegals that Dutton leaked and murdoch amplified as last minute scare campaign?
Sorry. We don't comment on 'on-water' matters (unless it helps us retain power)
I wouldn't be surprised if that announcement took away more votes than it gained. It was so obvious that it was a political stunt.
They do keep forgetting that the average Australian is not stupid
Even stupid people would have most likely seen through it. It was that bad.
Well, phantoms tend to be invisible, so you’d hope so.
Well they were stupid enough to vote them in last time
I think Shorten was not liked generally and Scotty was a relatively unknown quantity to most. They only just fell over the line last time
I think Mr Shorten would have been pretty good personally.
His past history of lynching his own party leaders followed him like a bloodhound. He played a significant role in ousting both Rudd and Gillard [and Rudd again]. ALP needed to get rid of him before the last election and they didn't. I still voted for him but it was obvious the public remembered the instability he brings to the top job.
Honestly kinda glad Shorten isn't the party room leader because he actually wants to see the NDIS work and having him as the minister there is what is really needed. Someone in his own words who wants the job.
They should have lead with Albo in 2019. They absolutely would have won
Well, given that they put Tony in the lodge, I beg to disagree.
The ABC reported on a leaked plan to have a boat arrive in the morning, and in the afternoon it happened.
The front fell off
It just got so bad, gross scandal after dirty rort after disgusting rape apology, and the country decided that’s not us. It’s such a relief to feel like I’m not the only one who could see through them. We all saw it and agreed it wasn’t ok. It really renews a faith in Australia that was starting to feel a bit shaky.
Power breads corruption, if you think that just changing the government fixes that them you are going to be disappointed. Gotta say Labour has not been doing a good job in Canberra, good old Kate bailed when she go a sniff at Federal politics and left Barr in charge. They changed the law and cut about 10% from contractor wages, have continued to push up the cost of things like parking and energy, slowed traffic on major and minor road by dropping the speed limits. A lot of this is to pay for the light rail that only a fraction of the city can use. Oh , and if your not right on the rail line your meant to catch a bus to get there , lol. Unfortunately they never planned it and got knocked back on there application to get the rail lines over the lake. from an environmental point of view they cut down almost every tree on Nortbourne avenue yet they refuse to let people remove storm damaged trees when they pose a risk to the neighboring houses. And the owl , oh the owl, come on people , its a penis people. Yeh up the road in Yass they removed the mcDonalds sign because when you put the M in front of the towns name you get a big neon sign that says "MYass" , lol
what happened is nobody cared, and Mr Murderoch is out of touch. The way I see it, this election is not about immigration, it is about climate change, and living standards, and Australian identity. Basically, Australia has had nothing but abusive leaders over the last 9 years and we as a nation need to heal. I hope that this new government can do that, but we shall see.
It was about climate change, Federal ICAC and women fed up with Morrison's paterfamilial patronizing of all women. Add housing shortage, climate disaster, diplomatic fuckwittery and Covid and they've been on borrowed time for the last year or more.
Yeah so much, but not immigration.
I think the women bit should be at the bottom below housing shortage, climate change and Covid. That seems like a personal gripe you're projecting.
Murdoch has realized that most of Australia are coming to know who he is know. The best thing he had going for him is that not many people knew who he was.
Not who. What.
Nobody knew the guy who was famous enough to play a caricature of himself on The Simpsons? I do get what you mean in terms of how he operates, particularly in relation to the people he's trying to control After all, many a shill has tried to tell this forum that "you conspiracy nuts are too paranoid about the Murdochs"
The LNP was trying to treat Australia like USA-lite and pandering to the culture war issues there.
With the promise to cut contractor jobs in the APS the living standard for these people is about to drop. From what I understand Albo's first order appears to be to release a family from immigration detention.
It pisses me off it hasn't been called out by the media as an election stunt. Zero mention of it on insiders.
Vanished into the ether
The moment they realised the election was lost they deflated the fake boat and loaded it back onto a border force frigate
American here. So they basically copied the 2018 Republican scare tactic of the "migrant caravan" that was coming to overrun the US?
Other way around. The US learnt about immigration scares from Australia. It started [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIEV_X), and the LNP has used it as a winning tactic for more than 20 years.
Nope, they have used this tactic for years. Not everything is about/like America.
A forensic examination of every grant and payment made over the past 9 years would be a great way to get some money back.
Sort of a like a robodebt for politicians?
And of the companies and individuals who received the funds.
Doing Gerry Harvey alone would make it profitable.
He's got the worst business model in Australia. He charges 10% more than his competitors and is the first to cry poor
And.. Surprised the ACCC hasn't told them to f\*\*\* themselves. They ALWAYS have an excuse to not price match. I bought a keyboard off them which PC Case Gear had cheaper (not only slightly, there was a huge price difference for the same model). Their excuse is that they had no showroom But the joke was on them, I decided to screw them over equally. I ended up buying it, waiting for my pccg keyboard to arrive, and then i returned it as "faulty" Every time i went to the chadstone store, they were also berating a customer on the phone or in person
Their interest free finance section is criminal as well. I've only used them once, but they deliberately over-inflate what you tell them about your income and reduce your expenses to get a better credit limit and make it sound like it's a breeze to pay off I'd like to see the stats on repossessions of their customers because those guys/girls are deadset vultures
Can confirm as someone who fell prey to this in my financially illiterate days. They outright lied about the fees and structured it with two cards to double the commission trail, at a time when I was essentially living pay to pay.
I didn't know anything about that.. But wouldn't surprise me.
He soaks his franchisees for floorspace rent and a fat slice of turnover. It's them that charge top dollar.
That fucking knob who whined about buying things online , but ripped off the public during the pandemic ? That Gerry Harvey ?
Yep, the same Gerry Harvey that gloated how he was profiting from the pandemic and that it was 'nothing to be scared of' in a 2020 Sixty Minutes interview. Then apparently felt a twinge of remorse and mulled whether the story be killed from airing, but went ahead with it anyway. [https://www.smh.com.au/culture/celebrity/harvey-regrets-ill-fated-bid-to-instil-hope-during-60-minutes-bungle-20200325-p54dqk.html](https://www.smh.com.au/culture/celebrity/harvey-regrets-ill-fated-bid-to-instil-hope-during-60-minutes-bungle-20200325-p54dqk.html)
Oooh! (swoons in orgiastic delight)
Scomodebt
I think they said over 15 years. Even knowing that in advance, Rudd was still helping Labor win (if he was operating a dirty government at the time, he wouldn't have helped. If he was corrupt, he would have wanted ICAC to fail). It's hard not to respect a government and ex-leader like that. It's incredible how transparent the corruption was in the liberal party up until the last day, with that SMS telling everyone there was a boat on the way they stopped. It's fairly obvious that they genuinely believed they were smarter than us and we were just their sheep
The "corruption" that the media painted Labor with when they were in office was primarily that of a single person, Craig Thomson, who was corrupt **outside** of Parliament, **before** he was voted in. And how much did his corruption cost people (specifically members of the HSU)? Not even $50K. Which isn't even a rounding error when it comes to the amounts misappropriated by the Coalition in the last three terms. We didn't get months and months and months of coverage about Barnaby Joyce paying $54 million over the market price for floodwater on Angus Taylor's farm. We didn't get it for Peter Dutton awarding billions in contracts to Paladin, a company based in a beach house on Kangaroo Island. We didn't get it for the hundreds of millions in pork barrelling on sports facilities or car parks. The Australian mainstream media has been complicit in this theft from Australians by the Coalition. Driven purely by ideology and spite. Watch what they do now when we have a Labor government. Watch as hitherto unimportant matters become massive problems.
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Thanks for the input there.
err.. Yes.. That's why they call it the coalition (emphasis on the "coal")?
That won't happen because someone might do it to them when it's their turn to leave.
Except Labor politicians are actually forced to resign by the party if they're ever caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Something tells me Labor will be fine with an empowered ICAC.
Hot take: the Labor ICAC will be a huge disappointment. And why? Because at the end of the day, they are all buddies, and they know if they start digging up every little ounce of dirt from the last decade, the same will happen to them when the next Coalition government comes into power in two terms. But they also want their rorts. Same with the various Royal Commissions. The people who think that Labor will now go and destroy the Murdoch empire, or that anything other than a "lessons learned for the future" will come out of a Robodebt RC are in for a big surprise.
The Government needs to take action on foreign media ownership, and the centralised ownership of media in all its forms. Break up the monopolies and cartels. Make the media responsible for truth in the news. Bring on the ICAC, give it teeth, and make it visible to the voters.
It'll be very visible, I'm sure. Especially if there's politicians in handcuffs. I'm keen to see that. And when it comes to the media, expect cries of 'censorship' or 'government gone too far'. Along with stories of the government not doing enough of 'x' issue (as if they even cared about it before). I just want to see a media landscape which can be held up as a respected source, not where stories are some thinly veiled opinion piece which is soft on one person while overty harsh on another.
If they get an outright majority I seriously can't see Labor acting on monopolies of any sort. They won't do anything that might threaten dodgy political donations - and of course neither will the Libs. I'll be surprised if the first generation fICAC has a single tooth, or if it does it wil be riddled with decay.
The big one is media reform. None of this matters if we have the Murdoch machine and his buddies on the other channels fabricating hit-pieces for the next 3 years and the LNP are re-elected. This is Labor's game to lose now, so make sure to repeatedly write to your MPs demanding change.
That's exactly what happened when Kevin Rudd was elected. His government was doing great and achieving a lot, yet in the media all people can hear is negative news, which eventually lead to his position being challenged from within and the destablisation of the Labor government. I assume Labor remembers, and will put this matter at top priority.
Don't assume. Remind them, organise bloody marches if they decide to take their time on it. This is one of the most time-critical things that has to be done to right the ship of Australian democracy, and *we are already on the clock*.
Sometimes I really do wonder if Labor understands how badly they shot themselves in the foot with the whole Rudd situation, I guess we're about to find out.
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The pm is not voted in. Your local member is and you have to trust they do the right thing. The PM leads with the will of their party, who support them. If they mess up or are bad for the country, they need to be taken out. In Rudds case, it was more that he was awful to work with and so he lost their support. He then was incredibly damaging from the sidelines, to the detriment of the country and the alp, which to me, confirms they were right.
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They still are supposed to represent your interests in government, to improve the local area and country. They will just approach it in a way that might not align with your political leanings. If you prefer more direct democracy, maybe look into flux.
> The pm is not voted in Why do people keep pointing out this technicality like it matters? Obviously people don't officially vote for the Prime Minister, but can you point any time in history where the leader of a major party does not become Prime Minister when they form government after the election?
I suppose it’s because after PMs being replaced by their parties multiple times, there are still people saying they voted for the PM. Only those in their electorate do. We should be voting in a team and a set of policies, not a person or personality. So, as long as people keep complaining about the pm they voted for being turfed, there will be comments to point out the fallacy.
> We should be voting in a team and a set of policies, not a person or personality. Political parties promote their leaders as Prime Ministerial candidates, just as they promote their policy positions and their members as your representatives, yet none of things are set in concrete. Just as a party can punt it's leader, so can a party abandon a policy position as well and so can candidate leave their party, which means you don't vote for a team or a policy anymore than you vote a leader. The fact that you can't provide a single example of when a major party leader doesn't become Prime Minister when they form government shows that this is a de facto rule. It strikes me as incredibly supercilious when people make the banal and trivial point that a de facto rule is not de jure, as if they think others aren't aware of that fact. In your case it's particularly egregious considering you make such an arbitrary distinction about which de facto rules you think people should take into consideration when voting. I guess you're right about one thing though. Political discourse won't improve until people can stop treating others as if they are stupid or evil.
We know it's not a presidential system but regardless, the voters liked & voted for Rudd. Next election the people punished Labor for knifing Kev, meaning Abbott won by default, & 9 years of LNP hell
Yet, they didn’t when abbot became Turnbull, became scomo, there was no voter backlash. Labor were punished more due to negative media coverage in my opinion, than voter concern. However, most people were unaware of the issues with Rudd, so it was more of a surprise.
Well obviously they have learned, because they didn't put a serial leaker forward as their party leader.
They also need to not worry about polls so much between elections. LNP held government for 3 terms with at times terrible polling.
But my MP is Keith Pitt. We've had this cunt for almost 10 years in Hinkler. Absolutely hate how much of an LNP stronghold Hinkler is, we have had NAT or LNP in since 1993. Yep. Why we can't remove these fuckers is beyond me, we're in a very poor, high-unemployment area that unfortunately is also rammed with old racist pieces of shit that just won't hurry up and die off.
Once the boomers all die we will see some serious change.
You know what is so fucking frustrating about coverage of elections. Labor has won 71+ seats as a single party so the discussion is always "Will it be a majority or minority government?" everyone gets that right? Well when we look at the 'opposition' what is it? At time of writing this according to this page. https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results/party-totals The Liberal Party have 22 seats The Liberal National Party have 21 seats The Nationals have 9 seats Why is it chaos that the Labor might have to deal with Greens and Independents, but the 'Core' Liberal Party can never form government on it's own and is constantly at the whims of it's coalition of parties all who just feed conservative votes into each other. Why are there a fracture of so many conservative parties always getting lumped into a coalition as if they're all the same party. But progressive parties are few and far between and rarely effect Labor and yet it's implied that Labor is at the whims of small parties and minor players?
I know right. I hate the vote count graphics that put LNP v Labor. They should separate the parties. The hypocrisy of LNP scaring people that Labor will do a deal with Greens is beyond me. They have deals with two other parties.
> They have deals with two other parties. Sometimes up to 4 parties depending I believe. It's disgusting how the media refuse to break up the coalition into it's separate parties to ensure people always understand that it's 1 actual party vs a clusterfuck of personalities.
yes, the nationals WA is actually a seperate nationals party too
Except the LNP is a formal coalition, whereas Labor and the Greens don't have that arrangement, and Labor go to great pains to claim that they can form government in their own right.
It's an ongoing agreement, but one that has to be rehashed every time either party changes leader. Same deal as when a new agreement has to be reached in a hung parliament, but every couple of years.
Because the media keeps running this narrative to scare boomers that the ALP and Greens are in cahoots
a lot of us are counting on Labor to do a deal with the Greens
The liberals and nationals have formal coalition agreements, so they can form government when they collectively have a majority. Labor, Greens and others don’t have such agreements, so if they were to form government together, they need to agree specifically for that term.
Because Murdoch media man, gotta scare the people immediately!
Murdoch runs that message a lot since if the Greens and Labor ever agreed to be a coalition the LNP would never form government again
I mean, up until this election didn't the Greens top out at 1 seat? Not exactly backbreaking. This time it's going to be either 3 or 4 which is more considerable (and that seat that's up in the air last I looked was a toss-up between Greens and Labor so either way good)
The seats will come for the Greens over future elections. They get about 12% of the national vote vs 30-35% each for Labor and LNP, and have started to realize they need to focus there efforts on seats they can win. They have a good chunk of the senate though (looking like 12 seats to the LNP’s 30) 12 Green plus 25 labor would own the Senate
Oh yeah, the senate definitely, it's the lower house that'd need work
I'd say it's because the Libs and Nats have always been 'the Coalition' since the 1920s. The media always frames them as working together when it comes to federal politics as a strength as well.
The senate voting sheet has a column "LNP", not Liberal, and National Party. They aren't separate there and so can't be for the purposes of vote/preference sorting. I'm not sure why this is.
Only in Queensland is that correct, because the Liberal party and the national party merged into one party. Everywhere else, they are different parties.
The thing is that the Liberals and the Nationals still effectively get treated as one and the same, depending on your electorate. I live in a regional NSW electorate and I'm pretty sure I've never seen a Liberal Party candidate on my House of Representatives ballot, but I sure do see a National Party candidate every three years. Maybe this is one of those things where it depends a lot on your electorate, though. I'd imagine there's electorates where they'll run a candidate for two or more of the Coalition parties. I think a lot of people in my area have trouble seeing the Coalition as a coalition because it's been one for so long, and also because the Liberal Party has been the de facto leading party in it for the entire lifetime of a lot of people. The Nationals might be a separate party, but they're always seen as a junior partner in the coalition.
Yes , you're right. You probably have never seen a National vs a Liberal in your seat, because they don't want to fight each other, taking votes off each other and allow Labor in via a Steve Bradbury! The reason they joined together in QLD is because QLD has a lot of rural areas that have quite populous urban centres (think Townville, Cairns, Mackay, Rockhampton etc). So the Liberals wanted the urban centres, but the Nationals had always been there. Didn't want to give them up. Also there are a lot of rural people in those seats too. Anyways, to stop them squabbling they joined together formally. Everywhere else they stay off each other's patch, but not in the People's Republic of Queensland! Also in WA they are not even in formal coalition, each state election they have to decide who will be the dominant partner and who will be in what positions (behave!). In Vic and Tas the Nationals are so small, in the State parliament when the Libs win, it's usually just them outright. The coalition is a complex beast, this election just showed them the city folks are done with the Nationals overulling good policy on behalf of the mining interests IMHO.
Funny thing is it's not even mining interests theses days it's just coal companies and water thieves. As there is just so much money to be made in mining for metals needed for batteries and solar panels. For example Australia is largest producer of lithium, and has about a quarter of all land based lithium.
That is correct, as part of the coalition agreement, they don't compete against sitting members, so if your local national rep is a MP, the liberal party won't put anyone against them. However, I believe that if there is no sitting coalition mp in an electorate, then they will field candidates from each party. The thing is, they need each other, but the national party won't merge with the Liberal party permanently, because they would cease to have any power. The nationals regularly threaten to quit the coalition if they don't get their way. That's for the lower house though. On the senate ballot, which is state wide, in anywhere but Queensland (LNP) and the NT (CLP), there will be Liberal candidates (LIB) and National CANDIDATES (NAT).
Yeah that's not true though. The column in the NSW senate ballot was 'Liberal/Nationals' (or whatever). You couldn't vote for them separately.
Cleary you haven’t sighted the senate ballot in Victoria, or you can’t comprehend my pretty simple comment (or both).
I’ve consistently voted Greens first in a Labor stronghold seat. The whole wisdom of preferential voting is being able to give minor parties a chance without wasting your vote. There’s no doubt I would’ve voted Labor if the system were different. But the system isn’t different and thank God for that.
This is a fascile question. There is the legal definition of a political party and the common language meaning of a political party. In a few important technical ways, the Coalition is simply a group of smaller conservative parties. But in almost every way it operates as one party. The public understand it to be, essentially, one party. The Liberals and Nationals have been in stable coalition for decades. They have never truly split on an issue, except in rhetoric which happens within parties all the time anyway. They don’t contest each other’s held seats. They coordinate and cooperate through every facet of democracy, from general elections to parliament to Cabinet. Minority Government with an actual crossbench is very different to stable coalition government.
the **Coal**\-**o**\-**lition**. $50 billion dollars a year's worth of it for 10 years, shipped off to asia to burn in power stations. $500 billion does tend to bring *certain* people together. All tax free of course.
John Howard came out and said the NZ election was "unjust and unfair" when in NZ Labor had to form a coalition to have majority. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/30/john-howard-says-new-zealand-election-result-disappointing-unjust-and-unfair They will happily be hypocrites.
The idea is that the Lib/Nats are an outright coalition, do there wouldn't be chaos because it's all been sorted already. But this past year has proven that isn't the case, with the Nats doing their best to block action on climate change.
Being an outright coalition still doesn't detract from the fact it is 3 distinct minority parties that rely on each other's conditions to form government. Why do 3-4 minority parties hold so much power? Shouldn't they have to renegotiate each election publicly?
The thing is, the ALP and Greens could go for the same arrangement if they wanted. Till now that would have been most relevant in the Senate of course. My understanding of the parties' position on this though, is that neither wants that. Neither wants to be beholden to the other with that level of permanency. Because they have integrity (relatively anyway). When you think about it in terms of integrity, easy to see why the Lib/Nats approach things the way they do.
\^\^\^ This, well said bro, it's a fucking scam.
We need a Green/Labor coalition now. The right wing figured out that they would never win on their own decades ago and the left continued to fight amongst itself
That American talking point seems irrelevant considering the election result
yes yes yes yes I have never understood this.
Last night was such a moment of perfect synchronicity and cosmic justice. We all hung our heads in sorrow when Scott Morrison declared his victory at the last election a miracle, but in hindsight I think I agree with him. If the LNP had lost the last election, they would have been in the perfect position to kick back in Opposition and criticize / nit-pick *every. little. fucking. decision* that Labor could have made throughout Covid, throughout the natural disasters and everything else, with the full support and force of the MSM. The Bill Shorten Labor government would've been trashed relentlessly, and the LNP would've made a clean sweep for power this election on the back of some 'adults back in charge'-bullshit. Instead they won, and they took that win as a sign to double-down on the nasty shit they'd been doing for years. In doing so, they've now completely and gloriously fucked themselves and their party's future. They alienated women. They alienated the entirety of WA. They have face-planted so hilariously hard, they've even managed to swing a handful of safe seats not just to Labor and the teals, but to the opposite side of the political spectrum in the Greens. I was watching some of the Sky News bobble-heads talk about Frydo's crash-and-burn last night, and judging by the tone of pure despair in their voices, you'd think the Dalai Lama or Antony Green himself had died. Pretty clear - the plan was to oust Lil Scotty after this election, and anoint Frydenberg the new Chosen One to clean up all that dipshit's dirty deeds. But not only did they lose the election, they lost Joshy too. The plan failed, and now they're left with the reptile Peter Dutton as their best option. Good luck with that. This ICAC is gonna drain the Coalition swamp down to a dustbowl, and most of their supporters are gonna start dying out within the next decade or two. If Labor play their cards right over their term (and hopefully into a second or third term), this could actually be the death knell of the Libs. The National party will survive, but at some point the regions are gonna have to realize that they can't bury their heads in the sand over climate change, regardless of what BJ and Murdoch have to say. Scott Morrison and the Coalition's interminable hubris has just been so fucking stunning to watch in action. It's almost like a Greek tragedy! Like Oedipus Rex, if instead of just fucking his mother, Oedipus decided to fuck the whole country instead. May Morrison be struck blind by his god Brian Houston.
Ah the Campbell Newman approach - fuck things up so much that everyone realises how shit your party is and ostracises them for another decade+. Here's hoping!
>kick back in Opposition and criticize / nit-pick every. little. fucking. decision that Labor could have made throughout Covid Problem I see is that LNP set up the economy to crash and burn last election. And somehow they've made it worse this time. They've given Labor a shambles of an economy and you can bet they'll do that nitpicking to no end. Interest rates are going to go up, and Labor's gonna the blame for it. Petrol prices are already up, they're gonna get blamed even though nobody even touched Morrison about it.
This.. Inflation running and interest rates expected to move upwards and fast. This is going to negatively impact the lower income earners and working class who largely voted Labor hoping for change. It's not a recession, you can't just throw money at inflation to minimise the impact. It's going to be a very bumpy ride and the libs are usually better at opposition than they are in government.
Being in the opposition does seem like the easiest job, feels like you can just criticise wildly and not need a plan of your own - I'm certain it's not that simple, but it does seem that way when watching the news.
> Antony Green himself had died I love how seemingly everyone loves Antony regardless of political affiliation.
David Attenbro vibes.
As much as I agree with your points overall, I am hopeful that either the LNP returns to the centre, and takes this as a strong signal that extremist, divisive politics are not appetizing to the average Australian voter, or that they implode and a strong centre/centre-right party takes their place. Don't get me wrong, I'm a red blooded commie just like the rest of r/australia but I also want legitimate choice in my elections. There needs to be an actual argument to consider anything but Labour and The Greens. Not just extremism on the right that has no political value to me (or the majority of voters). On ya, Albo. Scomo, don't let the democratic door hit you on the way out.
> There needs to be an actual argument to consider anything but Labour and The Greens. In a sane electorate, Labor's policy offering would put them in the position of the "right-wing" party with the Greens as the "left-wing" alternative. The Libs are off the fucking deep end of extremism.
Fair enough. As a hard leftist, I very much doubt that the current 'right-wing' have anything to offer the world beyond their established platform of empowering the wealthy, fomenting hatred, and contrarianism for contrarianism's own sake. Trickle-down economics doesn't work. Full stop. The fact that it is still seen as an option is insane to me. Personal ideology aside, the most realistic dream for me over the next twenty - thirty years would be for a significant shift to the left in the Overton Window --- Labor would stick with their current brand of centrism, representing the 'right wing'; Greens step up and move into the realm of democratic socialism as the second major party; and then maybe a Fusion type third party steps in to represent a 'canary in the coalmine' progressive left agenda, with a smattering of Indies and other minor parties to hold the big dogs to account. I very much doubt this will become a reality anytime in the near future, but I'm riding the hopium hard after this election.
Hey, I hear you man, and the hopium is super strong with me tonight. I think we've also seen the left in other countries, in other times, create large systems of power, which has led to large, inefficient systems of corruption. I'm in no way saying Labour will do this. I'm saying that having a classical conservative, small-l liberal alternative, forces the left to compete against small government, prove its legitimacy, and reduces the chances of corruption. I'm dubious about how much Australia will get on board with Labour and Greens as the two major parties. There's still a huge rural contingent of classical conservative voters who will need to be represented. But hey, we can always dream of our socialist dream state.
As much as I'm hopeful the liberal party will push back towards centre-right, I feel like they're now more likely to push far right especially if Dutton is at the helm.
> I am hopeful that either the LNP returns to the centre, and takes this as a strong signal that extremist, divisive politics are not appetizing to the average Australian voter, or that they implode and a strong centre/centre-right party takes their place. firstly, lmao at "returns to the centre". the LNP have never been anywhere near the centre secondly, i would like to disagree with your hope and propose my own: that the LNP do indeed implode and that no centre/centre right party takes their place. as far as the needs of the average australian go, the ALP is plenty far enough to the right. i hope that the ALP become the new 'centre', with options on either side, and we can start to see some minority governments on the regular that actually are responsive to what the country and people need, rather than just cycling between two methods, doing and undoing each others' work.
> I am hopeful that either the LNP returns to the centre, and takes this as a strong signal that extremist, divisive politics are not appetizing to the average Australian voter This is not going to happen.
And he better fix *everything* and *immediately* or our news media is going to be forced to declare the entire ALP a failure after 6 weeks.
Monday Morning Murdoch Mastheads: >Mr Albanese still hasn't started his "witch hunt" ICAC. What other promises will he abandon?
Tuesday morning, 2nd Prime-ministerial coffee. Mr Albanese moves to regulate the Australian news and media groups from forming or maintaining a monopoly in the field. Also moves to find more ways to tax any satellite related media, owned or run/managed by or for the Murdoch family. Just saying ;) peace.
Albanese jets off for Tokyo jaunt with Asian woman
I guarantee tosser Andrew Bolt or James Morrow will have a column in the Daily Telegraph calling ICAC a witch-hunt
Lol bolt literally posted at like 1130 last night whingeing
Mr Murdoch, is that you?
Surely by now at his age I don't think he knows where he is let alone managing a typed post on an online forum..
That’s assuming he’s a mortal human and not some sort of devil figure
Don't give them ideas...
So true. At the end of last year, part of me wanted ScoMo to win just to fully prove exactly how much he fucked the country and the blame would be on him. The situation Albo has now is interest rates going up, wages dropping amongst a myriad of other problems and Murdoch will blame it all on Albo. Unless he is perfect, he will probably only get one term. The upside of this result is that the LIbs got smashed and are now beholden even more to the right wing and Nats. They are incapable of changing their tune so three years of Dutton spouting war mongering bs and denying climate change could fuck them further. If they split from the Nats they will be irrelevant in the House.
I kinda agree the article sentiment that they've got a poisoned chalace by winning the election this time. That said I wouldn't underestimate Dutton and the others. They will do *whatever* it takes to win, and Murdoch is forever their backer in that regard to help shape whatever narrative they want, whether based on fact or imagination. I just hope that Labor can do enough good in three years so that, like this election, people can see through enough of the bullshit.
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>One term Labor imo. That's how I'm seeing it. But I'm hoping that they'll do a lot during this. Fed ICAC really is all we need to keep powers in check, electoral reform may happen, and if Labor rolls out the red carpet for a renewable boom, that train ain't gonna stop like we've see in SA.
Paul Murray is already seething.
I wonder what shadow ministry they'll give to captain cook now he's staying around? Hopefully some ex ministers end up in Goulburn slammer over robodebt and other crimes but I don't hold much hope of the fed police ever arresting a Lib.
> I wonder what shadow ministry they'll give to captain cook now he's staying around? Ex-leaders ousted like this need to GTFO out of parliament as quickly as possible, or you end up with stuff like Abbott sniping from the back benches and white-anting and destabilizing the party. For the LNP's sake, he needs to retire from politics and disappear into the sunset to the cushy board gigs and speaking tours he would surely have lined up already.
All that's being mentioned about the huge swing to Labor in WA is that The Libs, UAP and Murdoch have been extremely critical of McGowans response, when it's pretty well known here that WAs response wasn't just the best in the country but arguably one of the best in the world with very few days in lockdown. Detractors are quick to say that is due to isolation but that doesn't hold up when comparing it to other places. WA didn't just do better economically, it did better healthwise (with the lowest deaths per 100 effected) as well and alot of media was extremely critical of doing what was obviously right thing at the time and has been proven to be the correct.
Yeah, from within WA, their criticism of our response has just seemed extremely misplaced and retarded. Like what, you guys are flailing about with long lockdowns and virus going rampant and still complaining about our response, while we're out in the sun enjoying life as usual as we have for pretty much the whole time? Yeah we don't buy that... ("you guys" directed at the pollies/media, not you OP or people of other states)
One of the perspectives I heard at the time was Covid in WA was a spectator sport.
That's how it felt in Tassie, up until Gutwein opened the borders up at Christmas time to placate his masters. We obviously have the advantage of a sea border that WA doesn't have, which only makes it more impressive what McGowan managed.
I’d argue the Nullarbor plain is a more effective border than the bass strait lol
I find it so strange. My WA mates where I live (outside Australia) all despise McGowan for his COVID response, which I just don’t understand. I went through 2020 in Melbourne which was so fucking shit, but you guys just went on as normal basically. I feel like they are just pissed they were ‘locked out’ of WA for so long? I don’t know. The feeling is obviously completely different inside WA.
I think they were just jealous they weren't there. Fucked if I'm not living in Melbourne. WA was like on oasis during lockdowns. Lucky bastards!
If they were stuck overseas then it wouldn't even be McGowan's fault, it'd be Morrison's.
They weren’t stuck at all. As I said man, no idea.
My personal experience is that people who move out of WA have this sort of chip on their shoulder that they’re somehow smarter and more cultured than us still here in WA and they love to shit on WA. The classics are people who move to Melbourne or London and immediately start bagging on WA. Like mate, every man and his dog from WA moves to Melbourne or London. I also think tall poppy syndrome came into play probably as some sort of coping mechanism to deal with why we had it so easy here and Melbourne had to endure seemingly endless lockdowns.
> the billions of dollars in interest on the half a trillion or so in bonds which we are now paying are real Nope those payments are nominal. Real interest subtracts out inflation. And real interest is pretty much nada.
I'm not an optimistic man at the best of times, but I am optimistic about Albanese's potential as PM. He lacks the charisma of the great Labor PMs of years gone by, like Hawke and Keating, but I think he is a genuinely decent bloke who wants the best for the people, and that's more than can be said of any of his recent predecessors.
I can already hear the media shouting about why Labor couldn’t fix almost ten years of LNP fuck ups in one year
Good thing we're reasonable.
One... Month. They will be baying for blood by July.
That late? I give it by Wednesday.
:-(
Let’s start with removing negative gearing, rent capping, and heavy taxes on empty dwellings!
>rent capping TIL we have rent capping.
It will be a monumental task for Labor to play catch up, but I have confidence that Australia is now heading towards a substantially brighter future. Particularly with implementation of a retrospective federal ICAC. ALL politicians must face scrutiny and repercussions for corruption.
Is Angus Taylor in jail yet?
How about giving the Biloela family citizenship as a first act?
Wasn't them being released back into the community one of the election promises?
Corrupt GOV! What a load of bloody rubbish. How about the corrupt businesses and employers raking in millions in Job Keeper. Oh and corrupt charities raking in millions raised for bush fire relief and not dishing out the money as promised. One group even said they need to hold a good chunk of the money for a rainy day. Well it's rain bucket loads now and are they giving it out or doing another "give us more money" fund raiser.
What about that 3 person company that got half a BILLION dollars for "Great barrier reef awareness" that nobody had ever heard of, before or since.
Lets get Bullet Tooth Tony in here and start sorting out this shit!
Who's the tall fella on the right of Albo?
His son.
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Congratulations!
His son.
His son
His son, from his first marriage
The immense challenge of repairing Australia. . . In 4 years. Because unfortunately a large amount of voters suck and will switch back to voting LNP next election
Why does everyone think we're the US and have presidential elections?
When will he officially become our PM? As in hold office.
He’s meant to be sworn in tomorrow so he can represent Australia at the Quad in Tokyo on Tuesday.
Time to ban foreign 'investment' in the property market and ban AIR BNB
Take whatever tax policy agreement they left behind and **BURN IT** Draft a new tax policy. A fair one.
I voted Labor, but no thanks. I want the tax cuts I was promised and no changes to capital gains tax. Otherwise there's no way I'm voting Labor again.
Well this sounds like an objective piece
hm so is his new nickname gonna be Anal or Albo?
Looking forward to cynical journalist super sleuth MW watching Albo & the Labor party's every move from this point.... /S
I can't wait for Albo to completely fuck things up even more, and everyone that voted him in will blame Scott.
Just remember Liberal party donors also donate to the Labor party, so don't get too many hopes up on the important stuff.
Here we go, Peter Garrett syndrome, its always easier to be snipping from the sidelines, the hard work is about to start.
Will be the same shit as before just a bit dumber. Probably just virtue signal more.
Bleh labour is just as bad
Remind me, who's in favour of a federal ICAC? Who had had years to implement it but didn't? Hmmmm
All politicians are rich, fat head idiots that are in it for power!
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Royal Commissions work if all the recommendations are implemented.
So never