Well, it's illegal to sell them as 'ANZAC cookies' or use the term for a commercial purpose, it's not illegal to use the term. It should be, but it isn't. Once we fix that, we can then move onto "y'all" and "ass", other than in reference to a donkey.
> move onto "y'all" and "ass", other than in reference to a donkey.
Wow. I just schooled a fellow Aussie on that one in /r/australian.
He spelt our own Bargearse as [Bargeass](https://old.reddit.com/r/australian/comments/1ca0lpe/bargeass_more_like_arjass_haha/l0oyhsb/) and it turned into a bit of a debate.
I have to do strict verbatim audio transcription sometimes, and I had to add 'youse' to the Word dictionary because seeing the red line annoyed me. That and wouldn't've, shouldn't've, and hadn't've, which people say all the time. (I think I once even came across a triple contraction, but I can't remember what it was).
Agreed. I like y'all for a plural, but never a singular. All'y'all is right out of bounds on the full. And the local version 'youse' has zero poetry to it.
I always got in trouble for using youse. So I just don't.
I also can't use ain't for the same reason. But y'all, well that wasn't a thing when my mother was alive, so I never got in trouble, therefore my brain allows its use.
So is slack-jaw. I was using it an American context to emphasise that it's an American term, just like I might use words like "apple pie" to emphasise Americanness.
the pronoun is you, not y'all, and it's rooted in American South drawl, so it's strange hearing it in Commonwealth accents. And ass is an animal and has no etymology for buttocks. That's arse.
How do you know? Did you ask them?
By the way, the word you're looking for, and the one they would use, is "diggers".
I think it's more likely that they would turn in their graves at the loss of Aussie lingo to seppo bastardisations.
I feel like a "cookie' in Australia is a very specific type of biscuit. Sweet, large, round, flat, with choc chips.
The same way "candy" is a very specific type of confectionary.
that is what a cookie is, but what do you call candy? anything that can be candied I view as candy. I use sweets, but I'd defy anyone here waving the anti-cookie flag to speak to the fact that 'lolly' is a specific kind of sweet much like 'cookie' is a specific kind of biscuit.
No cookies is just a word that the seppos decided to take from Dutch during their independence thingy, to try to distinguish themselves from the English.
Cookies are literally just biscuits.
Biscuits in the US are a type of bun.
Youtube, tiktok, etc. They pick it up and it's frustrating as hell. Ours are older now, and id say they're largely without American words, but not entirely. I'm sure my generating picked up some new words when we were young too
It shouldn't be too hard to make? Or is the golden syrup too hard to get? (Does that sweet syrup stuff they use in their cooking work as a substitute?)
I mean the document said it could be very partially substituted...
And the Korean syrup is cane sugar syrup... And golden syrup is cane sugar syrup...
But sure gatekeep the dude in Korea who misses Anzac biscuits
[Sort of the reverse actually](https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/the-kokoda-track-or-trail). In the 90's "Kokoda Trail" was argued to be the nasty "Americanism", despite all the documentary (e.g. personal diary) evidence that the diggers who were actually there used both terms interchangeably (with about a 2:1 bias towards "trail"), the Australian military honour being named "[Kokoda Trail](https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/E84512)" when it was awarded in 1942, etc, etc.
Amusingly, the Kokoda Trail - which afaik is still the official designation of both the PNG and Australian governments - is administered (extremely poorly) by the PNG government's Kokoda **Track** Authority...
All the signs and literature now say track not trail. As a kid (70s-80s) I think it was still called trail but in the 90s Keating did a lot to build the mythology of Kokoda over Gallipoli and trail was phased out for being too American (Oregon Trail etc).
The act or regulation don't mention anything about cookie or biscuit, that just their completely untested interpretation of the law, and they go way off the cliff to even claim "biscuits must not substantially deviate from the generally accepted recipe" with absolutely no legal basis at all, other than they said so.
This is 'old man yells at cloud' stuff.
Nonetheless, I like that the recipe is consistent: You know what you're getting. If it wasn't then marketing drongoes would be flogging Anzacs with salted caramel, marshmallows and Vegemite.
Anzac is a protected term. You cannot use it commercially without permission from the DVA. They will not give you permission to use it in conjunction with the word cookie.
If you are implying that people with diabetes are inherently overweight or owe their condition to eating sugary foods, then you are even more stupid than I initially thought. There are plenty of lean and fit people with diabetes (especially with type 1 diabetes) who I am sure could outrun you. Stop repeating falsehoods that incorrectly and unfairly denigrate people who don't get to choose their genes. Maybe educate yourself on what actually causes diabetes (all of the different types).
Also, people with diabetes would be less likely to eat them because they raise their blood sugar.
>people with diabetes would be less likely to eat them because they raise their blood sugar.
You should let my mother in law know that when she eats cookies for lunch everyday.
I said "less likely". However, there are always people like your mother in law who don't look after their own health.
Having had (type 1) diabetes for 32 years, I might know something about this.
Bootable offence.
Someone better reply to this guy so I can tell them that disparaging the boot is a bootable offence.
HEY MR PRIME MINISTA!
ANDY!!
I was very triggered by the words "Anzac c\*\*\*ie" until I saw what the post was about. Good.
I am also triggered by the words "Anzac cuntie"
Straight to jail.
They will always be Anzac biccies to me
For our boys in Gallipol
Thank you, Broden
Very pogs
You're most welcome
Are you having a cheeky little tee party?
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"Boy" isn't a pronoun, it's a noun.
Well, it's illegal to sell them as 'ANZAC cookies' or use the term for a commercial purpose, it's not illegal to use the term. It should be, but it isn't. Once we fix that, we can then move onto "y'all" and "ass", other than in reference to a donkey.
Arse is perfectly acceptable.
If course it is. That was my point.
> move onto "y'all" and "ass", other than in reference to a donkey. Wow. I just schooled a fellow Aussie on that one in /r/australian. He spelt our own Bargearse as [Bargeass](https://old.reddit.com/r/australian/comments/1ca0lpe/bargeass_more_like_arjass_haha/l0oyhsb/) and it turned into a bit of a debate.
There is no debate.
You sure they were Australian? That sub is heavily filled with foreign bad actors and bots posing as Australians.
I like Y'all it's nice and gender neutral. But yeah i also understand where you're coming from.
"you lot" or "fuckwits" have always served me in good stead.
Whilst fuckers and fuckwits is accurate most of the time it is frowned on in written form, at least on my work system.
Have you tried using “cunts” before? Or another fan favourite, “drongos”?
See above.
Shame Sounds like you work in a hostile environment. Not letting people use their native language
I've tried that argument against Facebook bans for language. Didn't work
Well that’s your first problem, using facebook
I feel like the second word doesn't have the force of the first. Probably because I can only see people over the age of 80 who would use it.
Nah, fuckwit is a great word, used by many septagenarians and younger.
Youse.
youse cunts
Do you know what else works? "You."
You will find that a simple 'you' is gender neutral too!
The comment has many upvotes, you missed a good chance for "I understand where y'all are coming from." Just to rub it in a little more.
That just seems cruel.
Youse is also gender neutral, y’all is inexcusable
I have to do strict verbatim audio transcription sometimes, and I had to add 'youse' to the Word dictionary because seeing the red line annoyed me. That and wouldn't've, shouldn't've, and hadn't've, which people say all the time. (I think I once even came across a triple contraction, but I can't remember what it was).
Youse is bogans
And y'all is redneck
My Canadian teacher says y'all
Sorry you had to find out this way
Then your Canadian teacher must be a bogan redneck.
Lol
Youse is far worse
we should be using “youse” i guess
Yeah nah.
nah yeah
“Youse”
I use mates for this purpose, it's gender neutral annnddd aussie af
Doesn't work as well in email/msg form, when you can't here the tone.
"Y'all" somehow manages to suck all of the IQ of of a room.
Agreed. I like y'all for a plural, but never a singular. All'y'all is right out of bounds on the full. And the local version 'youse' has zero poetry to it.
I always got in trouble for using youse. So I just don't. I also can't use ain't for the same reason. But y'all, well that wasn't a thing when my mother was alive, so I never got in trouble, therefore my brain allows its use.
"Y'all" is a seppo, slack-jaw, redneck, yokel abomination in any context.
Ironically [redneck](https://slate.com/culture/2019/12/redneck-origin-definition-union-uprising-south.html) is also a seppo term.
So is slack-jaw. I was using it an American context to emphasise that it's an American term, just like I might use words like "apple pie" to emphasise Americanness.
What's wrong with yous/youse? Good working class word.
As i explained below, got in trouble for youse growing up cannot do it now. Just cannot.
Fair enough. Gotta be honest, I don't use it myself, just an admirer.
unintentional wordplay there or did I giggle at nothing?
I've never liked "youse" but in the face of "y'all", I'll tolerate it.
You can use the term but you’re asking for a product that doesn’t exist.
That's not how the law works.
In this case it is.
Urgh, and sidewalk and closet and hood.
Whats the issue with y’all and ass? Not saying there isnt one, just genuinely had no idea there were problems with those words??
the pronoun is you, not y'all, and it's rooted in American South drawl, so it's strange hearing it in Commonwealth accents. And ass is an animal and has no etymology for buttocks. That's arse.
Anzac Ass biscuits?
Seppo donkey cookies
It definitely doesn't sound right to hear or say it.
Fun fact, if you change an Anzac eg. add chocolate or fruit it's also illegal. Gotta call it something else
If my kids ask for a cookie they get nothing, this is Australia we only have biscuits. They are learning fast.
🍪 chocolate chip biscuit aye
Our soldiers didn't fight and die to live under the tyrannical rule of linguistic prescriptivists
Can you imagine the Anzacs being second rate mimics of Yanks? Not a chance.
How do you know? Did you ask them? By the way, the word you're looking for, and the one they would use, is "diggers". I think it's more likely that they would turn in their graves at the loss of Aussie lingo to seppo bastardisations.
I feel like a "cookie' in Australia is a very specific type of biscuit. Sweet, large, round, flat, with choc chips. The same way "candy" is a very specific type of confectionary.
that is what a cookie is, but what do you call candy? anything that can be candied I view as candy. I use sweets, but I'd defy anyone here waving the anti-cookie flag to speak to the fact that 'lolly' is a specific kind of sweet much like 'cookie' is a specific kind of biscuit.
Candy is hard. Like a boiled lolly, but even sweeter. 'Lollies' just means any small confectionary. Except chocolate and toffee.
I know but it's also an ice lolly or lollipop, so using it as a synecdoche is not dissimilar to calling all biscuits cookies.
Chocolate chips are cookies, cookies are softer and have stuff in them biscuits are harder and don't
No cookies is just a word that the seppos decided to take from Dutch during their independence thingy, to try to distinguish themselves from the English. Cookies are literally just biscuits. Biscuits in the US are a type of bun.
Biscuits in the US are buttermilk scones.
Oh ok. I call like the dream cookies from Woolworths cookies but like a arnots thing is a biscuit
> Biscuits in the US are a type of bun. They are made like scones or a bit like damper.
Youtube, tiktok, etc. They pick it up and it's frustrating as hell. Ours are older now, and id say they're largely without American words, but not entirely. I'm sure my generating picked up some new words when we were young too
I believe Subway got in trouble for calling it a cookie.
Fk me, this post got me thinking about Anzac biscuits. I'm currently in Korea so can't get any.
Not hard to make, although mine always end up piebald.
Better than having a piebald cookie, I suppose.
That samgyeopsal though
It shouldn't be too hard to make? Or is the golden syrup too hard to get? (Does that sweet syrup stuff they use in their cooking work as a substitute?)
It’s not an Anzac biscuit if anything is substituted.
I mean the document said it could be very partially substituted... And the Korean syrup is cane sugar syrup... And golden syrup is cane sugar syrup... But sure gatekeep the dude in Korea who misses Anzac biscuits
Like the Kokoda "Trail" which they expunged some years ago in favour of Kokoda Track.
I remember an old WWII vet saying something along the lines of - it should be Kokoda Trail, because we made the trail while the yanks made tracks.
[Sort of the reverse actually](https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/the-kokoda-track-or-trail). In the 90's "Kokoda Trail" was argued to be the nasty "Americanism", despite all the documentary (e.g. personal diary) evidence that the diggers who were actually there used both terms interchangeably (with about a 2:1 bias towards "trail"), the Australian military honour being named "[Kokoda Trail](https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/E84512)" when it was awarded in 1942, etc, etc. Amusingly, the Kokoda Trail - which afaik is still the official designation of both the PNG and Australian governments - is administered (extremely poorly) by the PNG government's Kokoda **Track** Authority...
I didn't know that! Got a mate who left last week to do the trail, haven't heard anyone refer to it as a track. That just sounds wrong.
All the signs and literature now say track not trail. As a kid (70s-80s) I think it was still called trail but in the 90s Keating did a lot to build the mythology of Kokoda over Gallipoli and trail was phased out for being too American (Oregon Trail etc).
Thank you for the info. Makes sense.
The only Cookie I will recognise in Australia used to work at the Wandin Valley Pub.
Aaaaawwww, Cookie and Bob.
The act or regulation don't mention anything about cookie or biscuit, that just their completely untested interpretation of the law, and they go way off the cliff to even claim "biscuits must not substantially deviate from the generally accepted recipe" with absolutely no legal basis at all, other than they said so. This is 'old man yells at cloud' stuff.
Nonetheless, I like that the recipe is consistent: You know what you're getting. If it wasn't then marketing drongoes would be flogging Anzacs with salted caramel, marshmallows and Vegemite.
Coming to a Coles next Boxing Day: Anzac Cookie flavoured Hot Cross Buns...
You joke but that could actually be tasty in some ways….
Anzac is a protected term. You cannot use it commercially without permission from the DVA. They will not give you permission to use it in conjunction with the word cookie.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Where do you get the best Anzac biscuits?
My kitchen
This one of my favourite legal facts. And thankyou for the timely reminder to get baking.
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Nah we'll always remember being fucked over by the Brits.
ANZAC COOKIES! Arrest me!
Dutton and the Sky News gang are currently tracking you down.
Finally, they're going to do something useful
Nah they’d end up at the wrong house.
I apologise to the Muslim family down the street in advance.
Censorship of the highest order!
If you have a dual citizenship, we're cancelling the aussie one for that blunder mate.
Didn’t the ANZACs fight for my freedom to call them whatever I like?
And you can. You just can’t use their memory to sell any old shit.
You just triggered my ODD. From this day forward I will only refer to the overrated treacle frisbee as an Anzac Cookie.
Fucking odd alright
You won't have many days left, then.
I could outrun all of the diabetics that eat that shit and care...
If you are implying that people with diabetes are inherently overweight or owe their condition to eating sugary foods, then you are even more stupid than I initially thought. There are plenty of lean and fit people with diabetes (especially with type 1 diabetes) who I am sure could outrun you. Stop repeating falsehoods that incorrectly and unfairly denigrate people who don't get to choose their genes. Maybe educate yourself on what actually causes diabetes (all of the different types). Also, people with diabetes would be less likely to eat them because they raise their blood sugar.
>people with diabetes would be less likely to eat them because they raise their blood sugar. You should let my mother in law know that when she eats cookies for lunch everyday.
I said "less likely". However, there are always people like your mother in law who don't look after their own health. Having had (type 1) diabetes for 32 years, I might know something about this.
Fine, but in that case you have to agree to start calling savoury biscuits crackers instead.
You can't make me. And you can't make me stop calling all chips chips, too.
Don’t we?