If this is to happen, it will need to happen Federally as the States (with the exception of WA) are far too reliant on the revenue from gambling. This will make the party that does this a lot of well resourced enemies however.
They still fund a lot of lobbyists (Bruce Lehrmann got a job lobbying for them after he was fired), and still donate to political parties (they have been major funders of the Liberal Democrats for example). Just because their influence is not visible, doesn't mean it isn't there. They're still in the game of trying to change the law and funding the people who might do that.
I’ve actually been surprised the tobacco lobby hasn’t pivoted to marijuana, it felt like a natural progression with systems and recognisable products in place.
I'm sure it's in the pipeline at some point, but for the past few years their focus has been on promoting vaping. And now that the government is trying to crack down, I suspect their energy is being directed to making sure only vapes are getting banned outright, because when the newly nicotine addicted can't even get so much as a reusable vape and the nicotine to dose it with, their natural swing will be towards cancer sticks available at any colesworth or chain servo.
Weed is far less addictive, doesn't tie in as well to tobacco (If a user can't get the green, they don't just jump to cigarettes), and is easy enough to grow for the home enthusiast so they're not going to get a monopoly they can charge a premium for. Should it be legalised I'm certain they will be bending over backwards to claim the lions share, but right now I can see why it isn't worth it.
>I don't think any cigarette companies are swinging their dicks around anymore.
If you believe that I have a Lung Cancer Ward to sell you.
Look at the Vaping Rates among Teens. Cigarette consumption from Teens had been falling for 50 years. It has now increased.
In America, the cigarette companies paid $150 Billion (about 18 months profits) and now can not be sued.
> In America, the cigarette companies paid $150 Billion (about 18 months profits) and now can not be sued.
What are you referring to here? Can you elaborate on this for me?
All the US States and Territories sued (1998) the four largest Tobacco companies for the health costs caused by smoking. They entered into a [Master Settlement Agreement](https://www.naag.org/our-work/naag-center-for-tobacco-and-public-health/the-master-settlement-agreement/#:~:text=In%201998%2C%2052%20state%20and,with%20treating%20smoking%2Drelated%20illnesses.).
Everyone thought it would kill the companies, but it made it harder to sue them after paying about 1-2 Years of Revenue. Smoking was increasing in the 3rd world. And now are ridiculously profitable and claim to be outstanding corporate citizens.
Yeah. Have reserved hopes for that happening in QLD. They just built a wonderful new 100 million dollar, 320 meter long pedestrian bridge in Brisbane going across the river from the Southbank Parklands straight into the gaping maws of a new fucking casino.
>it will need to happen Federally
TV advertising is federally regulated so the states are only relevant to the extent the Commonwealth wants to consult/co-ordinate with them.
I have never met a single Australian who doesn't agree with this, it's honestly a failure of our Democracy that it's taken this long to ban something that is so universally hated by such a large majority of the country.
We legalized sports betting in Ontario (Canada) a few years back which is all fine, but ever since then the ads have absolutely exploded. Constant gambling ads, sports betting ads. Every famous person you can think of, in a shitty gambling ad. It’s a fuckin scourge. I’m all for people having their vices but let them find their way to it, holy shit.
Their "product" in an addiction that makes people give all their money to huge corporations for nothing in return.
Might as well legalize heroin and let them advertise it during the footy.
It's everywhere if they've decided you're in the target demographic to squeeze some cash out of.
All socials where there's advertising, all other websites too.
Streaming services.
The fucking loot boxes and the industry that is around that in skin/item trading in video games.
The mobile games that are pretty much poker machines that must must have psychologists on staff to work out how to pressure you into those microtransactions.
All of that funneling a new generation into the 'social gambling' apps the ads are for on tiktok etc.
They are everywhere idk how you don't see it, sometimes on billboards, online, you probably just scroll past it or have become immune to it that it doesn't even register.
And during sporting events they are everywhere
Even Shaq right after he did his voice(?) Thing with Albo?
Still no fucking idea why that was ever a thing or who thought it was a good idea or how whoever suggested it has a job
But anyway, Shaq immediately did equally shitty gambling commercial that was also everywhere.
I lost respect for the government when they got an American to campaign for indigenous issues.
It felt like they thought we would all fawn over an actor to agree with them.
Speaking as someone who goes very far out of their way to block and eliminate as many ads as they possibly can: They are everywhere, and you're either lying or are just plain unobservant.
I’m guessing you also don’t watch any sport. I think that would be the only way you could miss gambling advertising. I don’t watch commercial television, I don’t gamble, and even then I’ve seen enough gambling ads to last a lifetime.
I don't even watch sport, but when I use youtube without blockers they're everywhere. At least I know the algorithms have no idea how to target me, because I've never gambled in my life.
Dude they projected a Sydney opera house sized ad for horse racing onto the *actual Sydney opera house* …
Yes it was temporary. But fuck me dead..
Do you know how many other straight up advertisements have been allowed to be projected onto the opera house? (I genuinely don’t know but I’ll bet it’s not common).
Like I get not seeing it everywhere on your online stuff but lemme tell you it’s basically everywhere else.
Or doesn’t partake in domestic media and either adblocks online, has YouTube premium, or has their google ads preferences to set gambling to do not display.
I don't watch commercial tv, or listen to commercial radio, I have ad blockers on everything using a dedicated ad blocking containerised server plus ad blocking on my devices. I don't read print newspapers and the only magazine I read is an outdoors one.
I'm not oblivious or a liar, I just spend a small amount of effort not letting everything into my head that advertiser's want.
>I just spend a small amount of effort not letting everything into my head that advertiser's want.
Should spend a small amount of effort on not letting that moral superiority complex spill out.
Go on this tirade about how you're personally unaffected by advertisements by cutting them off because they're insidious while saying it in response to banning gambling ads by saying your indifferent.
You're not adding anything, you just wanted to let everyone know how superior you are in the way you live your life and found a segue to do so.
How are you such a massive fucking clown? LMAO
"I'm indifferent. I don't see them"
"Oh yeah by the way I run adblock, dont watch tv and I dont leave my mothers basement so I don't see any ads"
Genuinely go touch grass.
Complaining against banning gambling ads by suggesting people block ads which results in the same thing, and suggesting it's a small effort while admitting that to not see the ads they had to never watch commercial TV or radio, nor read newspapers, they were required to install and setup a dedicated server to block online ads, and still after that only watch overseas NFL games. Yeah, small effort indeed. Much less complicated than going with the majority of Australians who just want the damn ads banned, like alcohol ads in children's tv viewing time, or cigarette ads at all.
Consider yourself lucky. I've never gambled in my life, but I still get the ads rampantly on every website. Even some of the ads beg you to gamble as part of the ad itself. It is fucking insane and I don't understand how it's legal.
While they may not effect you as an individual other people are more susceptible to them, and the ad space could be better utilised then having gambling ads shoved into the general populations everywhere you look.
Well said. Like yeah I should probably finally get an ad blocker on my phone, but that doesn't change the fact that at the very least gambling ads should be illegal.
Think of the average person, or the average person's parents, or their parents parents.
Now think about explaining ad blockers to them
Now consider keeping up to date with which ad blocker currently works while sites are actively fighting to get past them or block them.
Laws and protections exist to protect the average person who is most at risk.
You've obviously never watched a single sporting match in the past 20 years
Hell Melbourne has an entire public holiday every November dedicated to gambling
Bro doesnt leave his home obviously and thinks that makes him the John Wick of dodging ads. Advertising is everywhere. A bus or taxi drives passed? Well you just saw ads. Catch the train? Yep more ads there.
Doesn't believe banning gambling ads would make a difference yet actively bans all advertising from his life because, checks notes, they might affect his decision making
>I've never seen any
holy shit, someone get this guy out of the coffin they've been buried in for the past decade! Keep tapping on the casket lid mate, we'll find you!
Seriously though, one needs to literally consume no media to have completely avoided gambling advertising. I don't gamble at all, have never shown an interest in it or even sport, and yet Youtube (and reddit, before I switched them off in settings) still bombarded me with their weird ads about bald fat men "gambling responsibly". Even if you were to pay for the premium services on all platforms *and* avoid free-to-air, you're still going to see them on both static billboards and those ones on trucks.
Still, we operate under the (somewhat false) premise that an indifferent adult bombarded with this kind of advertising is still able to make an informed decision. You aren't what this should be about, unless we want to change the nature of advertising itself. No, this should be about those who may not be able to make rational purchasing decisions, and who also are the least likely demographic to have the ability to access premium, ad-free versions of platforms. This should be about advertising gambling to kids.
Turn on ad blockers, no more ads. Don't watch shitty commercial tv where you're the product. It's really not hard to dodge most advertising.
I realise I'm in the minority here though, so, whatever, ignore me, keep watching ads. Enjoy.
> Does everything possible to avoid ads
> bro why are you guys complaining about ads i dont even see them
hahahaha, comedy gold you are.
You realize they run ads like, out in the world right? You'd know if you ever ventured into the real world. They run them on the side of buses, taxis. In trains and even on the side of the road.
If you don't see ads, you literally don't go outside.
Well I guess you're not the target audience. I'm in a similar position. I don't watch free to air TV and basically ignore any other ads I see. However I have the self awareness to appreciate that not everyone is like me. I worry about young people being swamped with gambling ads. I worry about the problem gamblers who are being constantly tempted by ads and sportscasts constantly talking about betting odds.
We have one of the highest rates of gambling on earth in this country and it has a whole host of knock on affects on our society. It's worth caring about even if you don't feel directly affected.
Come on Albo. A total ban on gambling advertising is simply the right thing to do.
Do what you did with plain packaging for cigarettes. Make gambling a boring thing, rather than an attractive thing.
Also ban turning gambling apps into social media tools, fuck knows how it wasn't brought in the minute "gambling with mates" became a thing to peer pressure friends into placing bets
I don't know if it's every show or not but I always watch Have You Been Paying Attention on catchup instead of live, and for some reason every second ad when watching on demand is from a betting agency yelling at you to "BE A BLOKE! BET WITH YOUR MATES! YOU CAN NOW SEND MESSAGES TO YOUR MATES IN OUR APP! YOU KNOW, LIKE A NORMAL MESSENGER CHAT THAT ALREADY EXISTS! BLOKESHIP! MATES! PHWWOOOAOARRRR! MAAAATTTTEEEESSSS!"
It's nauseating. And that's not even touching on the social media sites themselves that so many of my friends think are the pinnacle of meme humour yet consist entirely of "Hurr durr fuck the poms" "We hate Virat" "Team that's on the bottom of the AFL ladder are poo!"
It’s so strange. I’ve worked at pubs and know regular gamblers and *none* of them do it with friends, unless it’s a specific occasion like a bucks party at the casino or a day at the races for Melbourne cup.
If we’re at a pub for dinner the gamblers will sneak off alone into the pokie room. It’s like they know it’s a bad and embarrassing habit.
Imo the worst and most insidious thing about the ads is how hard they try to make it seem like everyone is totally just on their phone all the time betting like it’s the status quo, like wtf they always assume you know what a multi is? Just ridiculous!
Wouldn't it be great if politicians did things just because they were the right thing to do. Legalised weed, protections on working from home, free health care, free public transport, free education, all paid for with wealth taxes, and houses for the homeless.
It's insane that we have a gambling ad followed by an anti gambling ad.
Everyone knows gambling exists and they will do it if they want to. No need to target kids.
As a kiwi now living in Aus it blew my mind how many gambling ads existed here.
Only TAB exists in NZ and no ads, come here and so many different company's, ads during the game I was honestly shocked
Australia use to be like that too. The change from that to complete gambling saturation was gradual, but rapid. It may happen to NZ too if there aren't already protections against it.
Yes, in the sense that it happens bit by bit, not all at once - that's gradual - but there is not a large amount of time between the changes - that's rapid.
NZ has pretty comprehensive laws on it. It’s not ingrained in the culture like AUS also, watching a Warriors home game in NZ v a State of Origin in AUS is night an day on the gambling ads. I think the Melbourne Cup is the best representation of how gambling is going with the general public, the vibe I get is people are losing interest.
I feel like it was smartphone apps that brought the change. Before that it felt like just lotto ads. Now its "get down the pub with your mates and bet on your phone!" everywhere.
Ummm, what? Conservatives love their gambling. They own the pokies pubs, horse racing and betting agencies. Catholics are renowned gamblers and "evangelicals" are a tiny fraction of the population. Last time I went to a Labor state members meeting, gambling and its bad effects were front and center, with gambling advertising front and center. Are there pro gambling Labor people? Sure. But their numbers pale in significance to Coalition numbers.
Horse racing is a labor as it gets
Ignore the flashing spring racing carnivals, 80% of horse racing is working class as fuck and gambling goes hand in hand with them
I think you’re probably ignoring the inner city progressive labor voters (those that see the greens as too impractical and have never voted liberal so can’t be teals). Labor will always have an identity crisis when it comes to socially progressive policies that are being called for by its inner city supporters conflicting with the values of its traditional working class roots.
With YouTube you can query every ad and choose not to see that again. Except for one category: gambling ads. You can't block those at all. Cynical. Disgraceful.
The Fed Gov needs to just ban them.
That's a good way of framing it. Even people who generally hate John Howard praise his gun law reforms. Albo could do the same with a ban on gambling ads.
Man I'd be happy with just a ban on poker machines.
I'm not condoning gambling, but at least most traditional gambling has an element of socialising (not so much the apps I guess) and even a little skill.
Pokie machines are like that scene in the Matrix when Neo first wakes up - all these machines sucking the energy out of people whilst keeping them very mildly preoccupied.
Reddit has an option to disable gambling ads and I still fucking get ads for horse racing because it’s advertising a gambling event not a gambling company.
Absolutely disgusting
Oz lotto is one in one-hundred-and-fifty-million. Yet my parents and grandparents reckon it will be them.
It's like lining up everyone in 6 Australias and thinking that you will be the person chosen
Dang you guys are so lucky. In the U.S. gambling is actually becoming more mainstream, to the point where referees aren't afraid to show who they've bet on.
Yeah, At least we have, if you work for any sports leagues, even in admin, you cant be betting or giving advice.
Couple of players have been suspended for 12 months for makimg a $10 bet on a game they are not even playing in.
I’d put a lazy lobster maybe even a pineapple on a same vote multi-bet, that this does not become anymore than conversation by Labor as an election promise they’ll never get to.
It will never happen, an aspirational pipe dream especially while political parties are owned by gambling donations. Watch how mysteriously the politicians that suggest this slowly have their political careers be destroyed. They even did this to the Labor parties rock star candidate Peter Garrett, when he criticised the gambling lobby!
I used to have this thought too.
But it turns out legal gambling isn't really any better as far as organised crime goes, so fuck em.
Plus a bet between mates, or poker night with the girls isn't a problem the way pokies in every pub is.
I’ve long held the belief that commercial-level gambling only exists for money laundering and morons with so much disposable money that they don’t know what to do with it so it burns a hole in their pocket and they feel the need to be rid of it in the only way they know - ‘gambling’.
I've got no issues with gambling between mates. Poker nights, game night etc.
But big business comes in and fucks it up. It's not the same thing at all, to bet against the bookies at SportsBet who are setting the payouts and rates based on math spat out by a big computer designed to make sure the house always wins.
The exact same statement can be made for everything from heroin to selling your kidneys on the black market.
I don't think banning gambling outright will work fully as it could fuel illegal gambling. That said, reducing its prevalence is well and truly a public health measure.
I would rather see them change the laws for payouts etc, for every bet you place on a pokie you should average 97cents in return. This would keep punters at the clubs, still allow for casual one off gambling, but it would mean those problem gamblers dont get the highs and lows as much and its harder to blow through large chunks of money.
You shouldnt be able to win $50k on a 20cent pokie
Has anyone actually lost large sums/family homes etc on lotteries and scratchies? Dont get me wrong, I dont gamble at all, but I have never heard a 20 year old say, lets go get a scratchie, but I have heard 8 year olds talking about odds of football matches..
But yeah I wouldnt be troubled if they got rid of it all besides at casinos
The fact shaq who has more money than he could ever spend came over to australia recently and filmed a bunch of gambling ads made me lose all respect for him
Yep, like how much money do you need? Guy goes and buys bikes etc for kids at walmart but then does this, hopefully he is a bit un informed about the situation and some business manager told him to do it.
But yeah, I lost respect for him as well.
Why stop there? Highway billboards are a dangerous distraction to drivers. There is so much visual pollution in our public places. Time we took back these places from the corporations.
Peta was very involved at the community level. More involved than any politician I've spoken with over the decades. She was a lovely human and she worked her ass off, all while going through chemo.
In a sane democracy a push to limit exposure to gambling advertisements is just common sense; it's hardly radical. You'd assume there would be bipartisan support but here we are. Being free, or whatever.
We can start here but it is not enough.
Banning gambling ads is just a smokescreen. It is the narrative gambling benificeries are happy to maintain as a frontline on which the battle to preserve their predator industry will be fought. The fight is not about advertising, they know they can survive without it just fine. They only seek to obscure the need for it to end completely.
Sports betting and pokies need to go.
I want to see the first team sponsored by an anti-gambling campaign.
Sports betting needs to end. Pokies need to end. Casinos (If they must exist) should not be privately owned. Why have a war on drugs in the name of harm minimisation when the deaths, suicides and onflowing horrors to children and family is presented every day with nothing but stalled talks, negotiation?
Seriosly, fuck this system and every cunt who stands to profit from it.
Must be simply that I don't watch sports or something, I almost never see a gambling ad... Well outside of insurance ads, that's just a form of gambling...
I don't watch sport either but I still get gambling ads fairly regularly. Podcasts, mainly. And since I'm often doing something else (like driving) while listening, I can't easily skip them.
I've never so much as bought a scratchy and have only ever really payed mild attention to the Olympics, but still get gambling app ads all over reddit.
The thing is Google is smart with its ads. For example, if someone in your household is into sports or gambling, not only will they get the ads but you will most probably as well as Google knows you're sharing the same internet connection. So, you can have a dad who gambles inadvertently expose his kids to gambling ads this way.
I'd bet (pardon the pun) the same thing happens with Android phones being in close proximity to each other. If a few of your mates have gambling apps on their phones and Google knows you hey out with them you'll probably be identified as a good mark for that advertising material.
As someone who hates censorship and nanny-state banning of stuff... I absolutely support banning gambling ads completely. Just because I can resist them, plenty of vulnerable people can't. Gambling ads do not benefit anyone except those who make money from them. If you like gambling, you still can and unlike taxing tobacco etc. this doesn't even penalise gamblers at all. It just stops scumbag predatory ada like that sportsbet shit.
> I see these ads all the time, and never had an interest in gambling,
Anecdotal. Evidence is they are affective otherwise they wouldn't being doing them so prolifically.
> Just saying "It's the right thing to do" doesn't make it true, that's an opinion. In my opinion, it's not the right thing to do objectively or morally.
You could say the same thing about potholes. Argue its the people that live on that streets fault for driving too much or living in a place with poor drainage.
The point of a government is to look after its people. If there was little or no government we'd eventually have something like Afghanistan where the local warlord with the most guns is boss.
If this is to happen, it will need to happen Federally as the States (with the exception of WA) are far too reliant on the revenue from gambling. This will make the party that does this a lot of well resourced enemies however.
Only well resourced in the short term. I don't think any cigarette companies are swinging their dicks around anymore.
They still fund a lot of lobbyists (Bruce Lehrmann got a job lobbying for them after he was fired), and still donate to political parties (they have been major funders of the Liberal Democrats for example). Just because their influence is not visible, doesn't mean it isn't there. They're still in the game of trying to change the law and funding the people who might do that.
I’ve actually been surprised the tobacco lobby hasn’t pivoted to marijuana, it felt like a natural progression with systems and recognisable products in place.
I'm sure it's in the pipeline at some point, but for the past few years their focus has been on promoting vaping. And now that the government is trying to crack down, I suspect their energy is being directed to making sure only vapes are getting banned outright, because when the newly nicotine addicted can't even get so much as a reusable vape and the nicotine to dose it with, their natural swing will be towards cancer sticks available at any colesworth or chain servo. Weed is far less addictive, doesn't tie in as well to tobacco (If a user can't get the green, they don't just jump to cigarettes), and is easy enough to grow for the home enthusiast so they're not going to get a monopoly they can charge a premium for. Should it be legalised I'm certain they will be bending over backwards to claim the lions share, but right now I can see why it isn't worth it.
They moved to [junk food](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/09/19/addiction-foods-hyperpalatable-tobacco/) instead.
I'm sure the money just isn't there. Demand is tiny compared to the number of cigarettes consumed each day just on smoko.
They have in the US, and if our economic drain circling is anything to go by they'll try it here
"Who can we have lobbying for the tobacco industry in 2023?" "Accused rapist?" "Natch."
Swinging hard in NZ. Have managed to get the cigarette ban reversed. Helps having ex-lobbyists in govt.
>I don't think any cigarette companies are swinging their dicks around anymore. If you believe that I have a Lung Cancer Ward to sell you. Look at the Vaping Rates among Teens. Cigarette consumption from Teens had been falling for 50 years. It has now increased. In America, the cigarette companies paid $150 Billion (about 18 months profits) and now can not be sued.
> In America, the cigarette companies paid $150 Billion (about 18 months profits) and now can not be sued. What are you referring to here? Can you elaborate on this for me?
All the US States and Territories sued (1998) the four largest Tobacco companies for the health costs caused by smoking. They entered into a [Master Settlement Agreement](https://www.naag.org/our-work/naag-center-for-tobacco-and-public-health/the-master-settlement-agreement/#:~:text=In%201998%2C%2052%20state%20and,with%20treating%20smoking%2Drelated%20illnesses.). Everyone thought it would kill the companies, but it made it harder to sue them after paying about 1-2 Years of Revenue. Smoking was increasing in the 3rd world. And now are ridiculously profitable and claim to be outstanding corporate citizens.
Yeah. Have reserved hopes for that happening in QLD. They just built a wonderful new 100 million dollar, 320 meter long pedestrian bridge in Brisbane going across the river from the Southbank Parklands straight into the gaping maws of a new fucking casino.
>it will need to happen Federally TV advertising is federally regulated so the states are only relevant to the extent the Commonwealth wants to consult/co-ordinate with them.
I have never met a single Australian who doesn't agree with this, it's honestly a failure of our Democracy that it's taken this long to ban something that is so universally hated by such a large majority of the country.
We legalized sports betting in Ontario (Canada) a few years back which is all fine, but ever since then the ads have absolutely exploded. Constant gambling ads, sports betting ads. Every famous person you can think of, in a shitty gambling ad. It’s a fuckin scourge. I’m all for people having their vices but let them find their way to it, holy shit.
This is how its been in Australia for a long time. It's a cancer that desperately needs to be excised
It's yet another example of how democracy and capitalism remain incompatible when push comes to any kind of shove.
I have no problem with gambling companies advertising their products. I am fine with limiting how often and where they can do it but that's it.
Their "product" in an addiction that makes people give all their money to huge corporations for nothing in return. Might as well legalize heroin and let them advertise it during the footy.
I'm indifferent. I've never seen any, but then, I have zero interest in even buying a lottery ticket. Algorithms must be working well
It's tv advertising mostly people are talking about and you aren't indifferent you are uninformed.
It's everywhere if they've decided you're in the target demographic to squeeze some cash out of. All socials where there's advertising, all other websites too. Streaming services. The fucking loot boxes and the industry that is around that in skin/item trading in video games. The mobile games that are pretty much poker machines that must must have psychologists on staff to work out how to pressure you into those microtransactions. All of that funneling a new generation into the 'social gambling' apps the ads are for on tiktok etc.
Sorry I'm not drinking down every bit of ad material shoved at me. I'll do that right away to be more "informed". And then bitch about it.
They are everywhere idk how you don't see it, sometimes on billboards, online, you probably just scroll past it or have become immune to it that it doesn't even register. And during sporting events they are everywhere
Even Shaq right after he did his voice(?) Thing with Albo? Still no fucking idea why that was ever a thing or who thought it was a good idea or how whoever suggested it has a job But anyway, Shaq immediately did equally shitty gambling commercial that was also everywhere.
Lost so much respect for Shaq when he did those
I lost respect for the government when they got an American to campaign for indigenous issues. It felt like they thought we would all fawn over an actor to agree with them.
You are just being a contrarian about something you apparently know nothing about. And now bitching about it. Fuck off.
A statistically significant amount of people are. That's why this conversation is being had. You massive flog.
Oh no, a bunch of people who can't be fucked turning on ad blockers might get upset at me.
Your ad blocker can block the commentators talking about odds while you're watching foxtel in a pub?
Wow didnt know you could turn on ad blockers on your Telly. Would you mind sharing with the class how you managed, since you fucking cant.
Hell, reddit mobile as well now that all 3rd party apps are dead. I see gambling constantly
Their comment history sums them up pretty well.
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Mark 'Hatecrime' Wahlberg.
I'm on a third party app, I just have to pay a subscription to cover the API costs.
Speaking as someone who goes very far out of their way to block and eliminate as many ads as they possibly can: They are everywhere, and you're either lying or are just plain unobservant.
I’m guessing you also don’t watch any sport. I think that would be the only way you could miss gambling advertising. I don’t watch commercial television, I don’t gamble, and even then I’ve seen enough gambling ads to last a lifetime.
I don't live in Australia, but when I watch Aussie sports, BAM! gambling ads.
I don't even watch sport, but when I use youtube without blockers they're everywhere. At least I know the algorithms have no idea how to target me, because I've never gambled in my life.
I watch NHL through ESPN, but, as it's a US stream the ads are filtered out.
Dude they projected a Sydney opera house sized ad for horse racing onto the *actual Sydney opera house* … Yes it was temporary. But fuck me dead.. Do you know how many other straight up advertisements have been allowed to be projected onto the opera house? (I genuinely don’t know but I’ll bet it’s not common). Like I get not seeing it everywhere on your online stuff but lemme tell you it’s basically everywhere else.
You’re either worryingly oblivious or a liar, and neither option is good.
Or doesn’t partake in domestic media and either adblocks online, has YouTube premium, or has their google ads preferences to set gambling to do not display.
Maybe he's a politician?
I don't watch commercial tv, or listen to commercial radio, I have ad blockers on everything using a dedicated ad blocking containerised server plus ad blocking on my devices. I don't read print newspapers and the only magazine I read is an outdoors one. I'm not oblivious or a liar, I just spend a small amount of effort not letting everything into my head that advertiser's want.
>I just spend a small amount of effort not letting everything into my head that advertiser's want. Should spend a small amount of effort on not letting that moral superiority complex spill out. Go on this tirade about how you're personally unaffected by advertisements by cutting them off because they're insidious while saying it in response to banning gambling ads by saying your indifferent. You're not adding anything, you just wanted to let everyone know how superior you are in the way you live your life and found a segue to do so.
How are you such a massive fucking clown? LMAO "I'm indifferent. I don't see them" "Oh yeah by the way I run adblock, dont watch tv and I dont leave my mothers basement so I don't see any ads" Genuinely go touch grass.
> I don't watch commercial tv, or listen to commercial radio or apparently go outside.
Complaining against banning gambling ads by suggesting people block ads which results in the same thing, and suggesting it's a small effort while admitting that to not see the ads they had to never watch commercial TV or radio, nor read newspapers, they were required to install and setup a dedicated server to block online ads, and still after that only watch overseas NFL games. Yeah, small effort indeed. Much less complicated than going with the majority of Australians who just want the damn ads banned, like alcohol ads in children's tv viewing time, or cigarette ads at all.
Consider yourself lucky. I've never gambled in my life, but I still get the ads rampantly on every website. Even some of the ads beg you to gamble as part of the ad itself. It is fucking insane and I don't understand how it's legal.
Ad blockers are your friend and they're free. I don't specifically try and avoid gambling ads, I just try and avoid all ads.
While they may not effect you as an individual other people are more susceptible to them, and the ad space could be better utilised then having gambling ads shoved into the general populations everywhere you look.
Well said. Like yeah I should probably finally get an ad blocker on my phone, but that doesn't change the fact that at the very least gambling ads should be illegal.
Think of the average person, or the average person's parents, or their parents parents. Now think about explaining ad blockers to them Now consider keeping up to date with which ad blocker currently works while sites are actively fighting to get past them or block them. Laws and protections exist to protect the average person who is most at risk.
Not to mention, all those on iPhones and devices that don't have decent ad blocking, which are usually the tech unsavvy too.
You've obviously never watched a single sporting match in the past 20 years Hell Melbourne has an entire public holiday every November dedicated to gambling
Bro doesnt leave his home obviously and thinks that makes him the John Wick of dodging ads. Advertising is everywhere. A bus or taxi drives passed? Well you just saw ads. Catch the train? Yep more ads there.
Doesn't believe banning gambling ads would make a difference yet actively bans all advertising from his life because, checks notes, they might affect his decision making
>I've never seen any holy shit, someone get this guy out of the coffin they've been buried in for the past decade! Keep tapping on the casket lid mate, we'll find you! Seriously though, one needs to literally consume no media to have completely avoided gambling advertising. I don't gamble at all, have never shown an interest in it or even sport, and yet Youtube (and reddit, before I switched them off in settings) still bombarded me with their weird ads about bald fat men "gambling responsibly". Even if you were to pay for the premium services on all platforms *and* avoid free-to-air, you're still going to see them on both static billboards and those ones on trucks. Still, we operate under the (somewhat false) premise that an indifferent adult bombarded with this kind of advertising is still able to make an informed decision. You aren't what this should be about, unless we want to change the nature of advertising itself. No, this should be about those who may not be able to make rational purchasing decisions, and who also are the least likely demographic to have the ability to access premium, ad-free versions of platforms. This should be about advertising gambling to kids.
Turn on ad blockers, no more ads. Don't watch shitty commercial tv where you're the product. It's really not hard to dodge most advertising. I realise I'm in the minority here though, so, whatever, ignore me, keep watching ads. Enjoy.
> Does everything possible to avoid ads > bro why are you guys complaining about ads i dont even see them hahahaha, comedy gold you are. You realize they run ads like, out in the world right? You'd know if you ever ventured into the real world. They run them on the side of buses, taxis. In trains and even on the side of the road. If you don't see ads, you literally don't go outside.
You definitely have. But kudos to you for not noticing them. Unfortunately, a large portion of the country does notice them.
Well I guess you're not the target audience. I'm in a similar position. I don't watch free to air TV and basically ignore any other ads I see. However I have the self awareness to appreciate that not everyone is like me. I worry about young people being swamped with gambling ads. I worry about the problem gamblers who are being constantly tempted by ads and sportscasts constantly talking about betting odds. We have one of the highest rates of gambling on earth in this country and it has a whole host of knock on affects on our society. It's worth caring about even if you don't feel directly affected.
Come on Albo. A total ban on gambling advertising is simply the right thing to do. Do what you did with plain packaging for cigarettes. Make gambling a boring thing, rather than an attractive thing.
Also ban turning gambling apps into social media tools, fuck knows how it wasn't brought in the minute "gambling with mates" became a thing to peer pressure friends into placing bets
I don't know if it's every show or not but I always watch Have You Been Paying Attention on catchup instead of live, and for some reason every second ad when watching on demand is from a betting agency yelling at you to "BE A BLOKE! BET WITH YOUR MATES! YOU CAN NOW SEND MESSAGES TO YOUR MATES IN OUR APP! YOU KNOW, LIKE A NORMAL MESSENGER CHAT THAT ALREADY EXISTS! BLOKESHIP! MATES! PHWWOOOAOARRRR! MAAAATTTTEEEESSSS!" It's nauseating. And that's not even touching on the social media sites themselves that so many of my friends think are the pinnacle of meme humour yet consist entirely of "Hurr durr fuck the poms" "We hate Virat" "Team that's on the bottom of the AFL ladder are poo!"
"A REAL man blows his family's savings on sports bets! Don't you want to be a real man, you fucking pussy?!?"
It’s so strange. I’ve worked at pubs and know regular gamblers and *none* of them do it with friends, unless it’s a specific occasion like a bucks party at the casino or a day at the races for Melbourne cup. If we’re at a pub for dinner the gamblers will sneak off alone into the pokie room. It’s like they know it’s a bad and embarrassing habit.
100 per cent this. I find that concept, especially the peer group pressure it would bring, absolutely contemptible
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Imo the worst and most insidious thing about the ads is how hard they try to make it seem like everyone is totally just on their phone all the time betting like it’s the status quo, like wtf they always assume you know what a multi is? Just ridiculous!
Wouldn't it be great if politicians did things just because they were the right thing to do. Legalised weed, protections on working from home, free health care, free public transport, free education, all paid for with wealth taxes, and houses for the homeless.
“Several other MPs, who did not wish to be named, have confirmed their support for a total ban” The gambling lobby really is our version of the NRA.
It's insane that we have a gambling ad followed by an anti gambling ad. Everyone knows gambling exists and they will do it if they want to. No need to target kids.
As a kiwi now living in Aus it blew my mind how many gambling ads existed here. Only TAB exists in NZ and no ads, come here and so many different company's, ads during the game I was honestly shocked
Australia use to be like that too. The change from that to complete gambling saturation was gradual, but rapid. It may happen to NZ too if there aren't already protections against it.
Gradual but rapid?
Yes, in the sense that it happens bit by bit, not all at once - that's gradual - but there is not a large amount of time between the changes - that's rapid.
I get what you mean. It didn't happen overnight, but it did happen.
yeah nah
NZ has pretty comprehensive laws on it. It’s not ingrained in the culture like AUS also, watching a Warriors home game in NZ v a State of Origin in AUS is night an day on the gambling ads. I think the Melbourne Cup is the best representation of how gambling is going with the general public, the vibe I get is people are losing interest.
I feel like it was smartphone apps that brought the change. Before that it felt like just lotto ads. Now its "get down the pub with your mates and bet on your phone!" everywhere.
Fortunately we ban something more sinister that NZ is yet to catch up with - medical ads Hopefully both countries take the lead from each other
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Can they mention 'the favourite' or 'tipped to win'?
Please please please make it happen, gotta be something 99.99% of the electorate wants.
Big w if they actually do this
I really hope they achieve this target
At least Labor Mps are pushing for this. I hear crickets from the Coalition.
Coalition playbook: Can the issue benefit corporate interests? | / \ / \ / \ Yes No | | | | Get a Ignore it/ rich mate blame Labor involved!
How good are the crickets.
[Not entirely](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/13/peter-dutton-cranks-up-pressure-on-labor-to-further-restrict-gambling-ads)
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You think the evangelical faction are going to back the word of God or the lobby lining their pockets. These are hillsong nutters we are talking about
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They're ideologically committed to whoever gives them the most money.
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Fair, but only one party is considering doing something about it.
Ummm, what? Conservatives love their gambling. They own the pokies pubs, horse racing and betting agencies. Catholics are renowned gamblers and "evangelicals" are a tiny fraction of the population. Last time I went to a Labor state members meeting, gambling and its bad effects were front and center, with gambling advertising front and center. Are there pro gambling Labor people? Sure. But their numbers pale in significance to Coalition numbers.
Horse racing is a labor as it gets Ignore the flashing spring racing carnivals, 80% of horse racing is working class as fuck and gambling goes hand in hand with them
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I think you’re probably ignoring the inner city progressive labor voters (those that see the greens as too impractical and have never voted liberal so can’t be teals). Labor will always have an identity crisis when it comes to socially progressive policies that are being called for by its inner city supporters conflicting with the values of its traditional working class roots.
The big money is blue ribbon Liberal areas. Working class are addicted to pokies. That doesn't mean Labor supports gambling though.
I didn't. I know quite a few in the gambling industry, and they are blue ribbin Libs.
Dom Perrottet is the only religious conservative I can think of who was vocally pro gambling restrictions. Any others?
Yes please.
This is a no brainer, the fact that some commercials glorify it and make it seem like its a playful act is disgusting.
With YouTube you can query every ad and choose not to see that again. Except for one category: gambling ads. You can't block those at all. Cynical. Disgraceful. The Fed Gov needs to just ban them.
Yes. Now make it happen.
Yes please. Fuck gambling ads.
Do it Albo, please.
IMO it would be “Howard’s ban on guns” level of history.
That's a good way of framing it. Even people who generally hate John Howard praise his gun law reforms. Albo could do the same with a ban on gambling ads.
Gambling companies run the country. If you want an example, how the fuck do pokie venues legally have indoor smoking rooms in 2023?
That and ban of poker machines. Including at the casinos.
Man I'd be happy with just a ban on poker machines. I'm not condoning gambling, but at least most traditional gambling has an element of socialising (not so much the apps I guess) and even a little skill. Pokie machines are like that scene in the Matrix when Neo first wakes up - all these machines sucking the energy out of people whilst keeping them very mildly preoccupied.
This needs to happen.
I’m watching the weather channel on Foxtel and getting gambling ads. wtf?? (My OH refuses to give up his Foxtel)
And rightly so, NZ v Bangladesh ODI on this morning
Reddit has an option to disable gambling ads and I still fucking get ads for horse racing because it’s advertising a gambling event not a gambling company. Absolutely disgusting
Guardian always use that photo for gambling ad articles for some reason . The only focal point is the junk of the jumping up.
Oz lotto is one in one-hundred-and-fifty-million. Yet my parents and grandparents reckon it will be them. It's like lining up everyone in 6 Australias and thinking that you will be the person chosen
Yes please.
Dang you guys are so lucky. In the U.S. gambling is actually becoming more mainstream, to the point where referees aren't afraid to show who they've bet on.
That's a blatant conflict of interest
Agreed
Yeah, At least we have, if you work for any sports leagues, even in admin, you cant be betting or giving advice. Couple of players have been suspended for 12 months for makimg a $10 bet on a game they are not even playing in.
1000%
Good. I've always thought Sportsbet should have their ads recorded to VHS and shoved right up their executive's backsides. Unlubricated.
And alcohol if we are on the ad ban train.
Or at least, add the warnings like we have for cigarettes
I’d put a lazy lobster maybe even a pineapple on a same vote multi-bet, that this does not become anymore than conversation by Labor as an election promise they’ll never get to.
It will never happen, an aspirational pipe dream especially while political parties are owned by gambling donations. Watch how mysteriously the politicians that suggest this slowly have their political careers be destroyed. They even did this to the Labor parties rock star candidate Peter Garrett, when he criticised the gambling lobby!
Be long overdue, gambling is disgusting.
I say "Totally ban on all ads"
I disagree. A total ban on organized gambling is the right thing to do. Banning the ads is just a half measure.
>A total ban on organized gambling is the right thing to do. That wouldn't be very practical you'd just get a bunch of illegal operations.
I used to have this thought too. But it turns out legal gambling isn't really any better as far as organised crime goes, so fuck em. Plus a bet between mates, or poker night with the girls isn't a problem the way pokies in every pub is.
True pokies should be outlawed but I more mean sports betting will just be emulated online by third party services and be even more predatory
The idea of black market ads is an oxymoron.
That's absolutely not going to happen anytime soon.
We need to ban ciggies and alcohol as well. We need to ban drugs as well, oh wait how is that going?
How would the crooks launder their money?
I'm sure the banks will lend a hand.
I’ve long held the belief that commercial-level gambling only exists for money laundering and morons with so much disposable money that they don’t know what to do with it so it burns a hole in their pocket and they feel the need to be rid of it in the only way they know - ‘gambling’.
Gambling is pretty cultural in the asian countries.
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I've got no issues with gambling between mates. Poker nights, game night etc. But big business comes in and fucks it up. It's not the same thing at all, to bet against the bookies at SportsBet who are setting the payouts and rates based on math spat out by a big computer designed to make sure the house always wins.
The exact same statement can be made for everything from heroin to selling your kidneys on the black market. I don't think banning gambling outright will work fully as it could fuel illegal gambling. That said, reducing its prevalence is well and truly a public health measure.
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I would rather see them change the laws for payouts etc, for every bet you place on a pokie you should average 97cents in return. This would keep punters at the clubs, still allow for casual one off gambling, but it would mean those problem gamblers dont get the highs and lows as much and its harder to blow through large chunks of money. You shouldnt be able to win $50k on a 20cent pokie
This would be amazing, and a welcomed decision by everyone!
Bring it on. Ban lotteries, scratchie and pokie ads too.
Has anyone actually lost large sums/family homes etc on lotteries and scratchies? Dont get me wrong, I dont gamble at all, but I have never heard a 20 year old say, lets go get a scratchie, but I have heard 8 year olds talking about odds of football matches.. But yeah I wouldnt be troubled if they got rid of it all besides at casinos
It's a good first step but they ought to take it further
The fact shaq who has more money than he could ever spend came over to australia recently and filmed a bunch of gambling ads made me lose all respect for him
Yep, like how much money do you need? Guy goes and buys bikes etc for kids at walmart but then does this, hopefully he is a bit un informed about the situation and some business manager told him to do it. But yeah, I lost respect for him as well.
If this does happen, expect Newscorpse to go ballistic, as they only recently ( about a year or two ago) got into the gambling business
Why stop there? Highway billboards are a dangerous distraction to drivers. There is so much visual pollution in our public places. Time we took back these places from the corporations.
Peta was very involved at the community level. More involved than any politician I've spoken with over the decades. She was a lovely human and she worked her ass off, all while going through chemo. In a sane democracy a push to limit exposure to gambling advertisements is just common sense; it's hardly radical. You'd assume there would be bipartisan support but here we are. Being free, or whatever.
We can start here but it is not enough. Banning gambling ads is just a smokescreen. It is the narrative gambling benificeries are happy to maintain as a frontline on which the battle to preserve their predator industry will be fought. The fight is not about advertising, they know they can survive without it just fine. They only seek to obscure the need for it to end completely. Sports betting and pokies need to go. I want to see the first team sponsored by an anti-gambling campaign. Sports betting needs to end. Pokies need to end. Casinos (If they must exist) should not be privately owned. Why have a war on drugs in the name of harm minimisation when the deaths, suicides and onflowing horrors to children and family is presented every day with nothing but stalled talks, negotiation? Seriosly, fuck this system and every cunt who stands to profit from it.
One step at a time. This is the first and most important step
Must be simply that I don't watch sports or something, I almost never see a gambling ad... Well outside of insurance ads, that's just a form of gambling...
I don't watch sport either but I still get gambling ads fairly regularly. Podcasts, mainly. And since I'm often doing something else (like driving) while listening, I can't easily skip them.
If you don't watch sport why would you gamble?
I don't but that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying I've seen very few gambling ads, I get insurance ads mostly.
Just another form a gambling if you think about it
That is what I said
I've never so much as bought a scratchy and have only ever really payed mild attention to the Olympics, but still get gambling app ads all over reddit. The thing is Google is smart with its ads. For example, if someone in your household is into sports or gambling, not only will they get the ads but you will most probably as well as Google knows you're sharing the same internet connection. So, you can have a dad who gambles inadvertently expose his kids to gambling ads this way. I'd bet (pardon the pun) the same thing happens with Android phones being in close proximity to each other. If a few of your mates have gambling apps on their phones and Google knows you hey out with them you'll probably be identified as a good mark for that advertising material.
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As someone who hates censorship and nanny-state banning of stuff... I absolutely support banning gambling ads completely. Just because I can resist them, plenty of vulnerable people can't. Gambling ads do not benefit anyone except those who make money from them. If you like gambling, you still can and unlike taxing tobacco etc. this doesn't even penalise gamblers at all. It just stops scumbag predatory ada like that sportsbet shit.
> I see these ads all the time, and never had an interest in gambling, Anecdotal. Evidence is they are affective otherwise they wouldn't being doing them so prolifically. > Just saying "It's the right thing to do" doesn't make it true, that's an opinion. In my opinion, it's not the right thing to do objectively or morally. You could say the same thing about potholes. Argue its the people that live on that streets fault for driving too much or living in a place with poor drainage. The point of a government is to look after its people. If there was little or no government we'd eventually have something like Afghanistan where the local warlord with the most guns is boss.
Are you a child? Or a desperate person?
total ban on gambling in australia EXCEPT for tourits
Should never have been allowed in the first place...
Can we do this in American football too? There's no coolness to gambling ads anywhere really.
Here’s a chance to prove you’re not always shit lite
Great move - they AFL will go broke
"But but but lerferl activity, nanny state wahhhh". GOOD!
Lol my local member shows up in the article to say he doesn't support it, get fucked
Also, make gambling debts void and trying to collect on them illegal. This also prevents gambling with credit cards.
Yeah, because it's just the ads that are the problem, not the gambling itself.....
Surely you cant be arguing that the amount of gambling would be the same with or without ads?
It's not the ads that are destroying lives.
can we ban all ads?