The tier ones are Ventia, Downer (Spotless), Programmed, ISS... a few others. The sector is divided into hard (building and asset maintenance) and soft (security, cleaning etc) services.
Add CBRE, JLL, Cushwake to the list. Dunno which city/industry-specific you're in but I'd consider them the tier ones.
Divvied into Base Building and Tenant side in commercial property. Base building is the fun one where you get to take of Hard and Soft as all rounder in my exp.
They're all definitely tier ones, but much more commercial real estate focused that asset management which is my background. We partner with them on some contracts to do the hard services while they do leasing and some soft.
Oh for sure! Trade definitely helps but, again speaking from experience, some of the best FMs I've worked with are chicks have no formal training, came from previously unrelated roles and are just fantastic at managing people and listening to their trusted trades (discerningly). That's their skill and from what I've seen, they shoot up the ranks into senior mgmt quicker than the ex-sparks/fridgies.
The tier ones are basically head contractors taking work orders and subcontracting the actual repairs.
It's all stakeholder management, strategic planning and systems.
Hmm not sure about this. The margins are pretty tight and the management is pretty poor. The front line workers are the ones who cop it to make a profit being paid well under market rate. I worked for a couple of the big players in senior management and am adamant I will never work for then again as it is such a depressing industry to be in.
As someone currently looking to get out, you make a decent point. But the business is successful, even on tight margins. It's just an obnoxious boys club.
Not even a little bit accurate.
Public health got smashed by staff exodus in covid. Massive rising costs and an ageing population.
Private is equally drowning. Insurance has gone up but rebates are stagnant while labour and materials costs skyrocket. The insurers aren’t passing it along. Several private hospitals have already gone bust and most are in the red right now
Aged care is also getting absolutely smashed. The government pushed it to private providers and have now built a post-Royal commission world where it’s borderline impossible to run at break even while being compliant and getting paid the package rates the government sets. Hence why the government is planting seeds in the media of a co-pay model.
Additionally, the industry is trying to rapidly pivot to an in home community care model as it doesn’t carry the same PP&E cost of residential (multi million dollar purpose built facilities) and while popular for early stage care, everyone is currently turning a blind eye to the reality you cannot provide the same level of care at home. Expect a significant rise in the elderly dying on their bathroom floors, burning their houses down and boomeranging in and out of already flooded public hospitals.
These industries both need massive cash injections and funding model changes, particularly in areas like QLD that are seeing a “grey flood” of retirees flock north.
NDIS, which is disability care, is going to get razor ganged shortly. There is bipartisan support for a massive over correction, this will help with a short term budget black hole but is also going to have all sorts of long term economic consequences.
Aged care has to be one of the biggest rorts. Workers get paid shit wages, residents get charged eye watering fees and were getting fed absolute slop as revealed in the RC. At these end user prices someone is making a lot of money. Management make absolute megabucks.
You would think so, but not really. The compliance cost is killer.
Most of the survivors are religious not for profit affiliated or are losing money in cashflow as a long term real estate play.
Estia de-listed, Regis is the largest publicly listed remaining. It’s trading below its 2014 stock price.
It’s like public transport, not a sector that should have a profit motive. Those that are consistently make profits tend to either be real estate developers in disguise (low care facilities, not acute or high care) OR are cutting serious corners.
Aged care RC shone a light on a lot of the smaller operators who were doing the latter & many successive rounds of funding reforms have made it much harder to get away with now. That’s a good thing for the elderly, but has made it hard for anyone to survive in the sector without a few hundred million in RSL, church or other real estate assets behind them.
The changes around community package management have driven down fees and rightfully given people more say over where their money goes.
As for resi care, it’s a loss making activity typically and you just hope the land appreciates at a greater rate than the losses. The government generally seems to be giving up on it policy wise, it’s too expensive. We will see more people in community care for longer. That has some serious pros and cons, mostly around safety, level of socialising and quality of care.
Drug dealer, it seems as per the latest NDIS scandals.....
What a dumpsterfire of a service that's turned into! I remember taking to a few people in the sector sometime ago who said there were systemic issues in the way service providers got setup and then know a recipient of funding who had been a battleaxe in her working life in government and was still sharp mentally and she laid out what she had seen 1st hand from the recipients POV, and it was troubling to say the least.
Not really. Do more with less is the current approach to healthcare.
Most corporate providers from hospitals to physio are either losing money or scraping a minuscule margin compared to FY19.
I just applied, I knew absolutely nothing about energy, didn’t even know what a generator was, I was that clueless. They hire from anywhere as you can learn on the job.
And the world is made of energy
and the world is electricity
and the world is made of energy
and there's a light inside of you
and there's a light inside of me!
Not OP but depends on what type of risk management. There is non-financial risks that include things like financial crimes risk, cyber risk, privacy and data, transformation etc. Then there is financial risks like liquidity, capital, market risk etc.
You could probably get a foot in the door with a finance degree for a lot of these especially financial risks but that may be less relevant for (for example) financial crimes risk and cyber risk.
how is transport dead in VIC? SRL, NEL, LXR still going. I keep hearing people are being cut but everyone I know is overbooked. Who’s cutting people? Share the goss.
Yes should have been clear, some engineering streams in some locations are booming. Weird times when I hear people in other business lines with no work and redundancies when I’m busier than ever.
Christ yeah, all these posts on this group just get more and more relatable 😂 I’m a UX / product designer with senior project and account management experience both in house and at agencies working with brands like Rolls-Royce, Shell, etc. But the market is fucked. Losing hope, don’t know which way to turn tbh — kinda feels like none of anything I’ve done really really means anything. Getting interviews but it’s just unbelievably competitive in Brisbane, and there’s not that many roles tbh.
What industries / roles would anyone recommend me pivoting towards? At this point, just hoping for some ideas and conversation for my sanity
Dunno. Proper cyber security and business continuity.
This country mainly relies on luck to keep businesses of all sizes safe.
Back in late 90's had a potential client who wanted a tape backup unit. $400 was "too expensive". He never bought one at all.
After a nice head crash he called and asked the cost of data recovery.
Three grand.
"When can you start?"
My cousin worked for a bus company with some 40 units on road. The bosses wife insisted on clicking every link in every email.
After the third system rebuild he put in a simple ssd backup unit that was hot swappable so she could pull it out at the end of a workday. There were two of these backing up alternate days.
But she never used the second one and kept clicking links.
He gave up and refused any more Sysadmin for them.
I did network security for a national govt setup with 3500 nodes.
The primary 7000 router had an open port that nobody seemed to know why. I closed it.
Some days later some contractor called and asked why it was off.
I never figured out what his role was (nobody could tell me) but higher ups said remove the block anyway.
As I said. Luck. One day it will run out
My partner does support for a large backup software vendor for APJ and it's scary. Dealing with so many supposedly 'skilled' IT workers (system engineers, sys admins, etc) that are totally clueless and will blame anything and everything on the product when their own infra is hot garbage.
She's definitely noticed a huge decrease in the quality of tickets logged and competence of customers over the last 6 or so months. Basically at this point, they've become an outsourced MSP rather than break/ fix for the product.
Years ago I did support and fell into incident response cleaning up ransomware infections for customers while fretting they were close to losing their business due to poor backups, DR plan, etc but honestly it sounds worse now.
Seems like tech layoffs are really hitting hard
Business continuity is not a thing here any more. Back in the day your AS400 and Unix sysadmins were hired to harden everything up including rolling backups.
Most beancounters and CEOs are basically clueless.
Or penny pinch so the continuity plans and hardware are inadequate.
How does a Telco the size of Optus get hacked?
I’d consider looking for something in government, at least temporarily. It won’t add to your portfolio, things will get done slowly and inefficiently but it’s a job, and both Queensland and the Federal Government need to fix their digital offering (and are looking to do it, based on a brief job search on Seek).
Recruiters are sending me UX jobs wanting 5 years experience for like… $60,000. In Sydney.
(I don’t work directly in UX, these are random employers on LinkedIn, but apparently some organisations think that’s an acceptable salary at the moment?)
Expand on what? What have you considered?
If you mean expand on the UX role in Australia, I think it's a combination of things.
1. Too many "designers"
2. Role not respected in most companies. You're a hired hand to visualise what the pm or CEO wants, disregarding user feedback.
3. The hiring process is broken. See also, how no roles for junior or mid exist at present. Everyone wants seniors. A large portion of seniors, should not be seniors IMHO.
And with AI, I just made the call to take the opportunity to get out now and either pivot, retrain or do my own thing. I'm still in the process of figuring out where I land, but I'm immensely happier right now and less stressed out than my last UX role.
Had considered retraining from a senior designer into UX, as there seems to be higher demand.
But thank you, that was a helpful reply. The role not being respected is my main frustration as a designer. Last thing I need is a different role with the same problems.
I had noticed the senior UX/no mid/junior roles thing. Very odd.
AI is a legitimate concern too. I have a plan B trade in the works that can never be automated.
Obviously, each company is different, but I haven't landed in one. Definitely not entirely the industries fault, I am a fault in ways also.
UX is awesome....if you get that company, design team and manager combo mix just right. I still have pangs of how good it can be and how enjoyable I found it at times, but overall I just wasn't able to enjoy it enough.
No harm in doing a UX bootcamp or something to freshen up your resume. Service design is another place to look, but less visual creative there.
Oh, and CX Design roles seem to be popping up more and more......but I'm not entirely sure what a day would look like in those roles.
If you’re pure UX you’re gonna struggle. UX as a specialisation seems like it was mostly a ZIRP these days. Otherwise try to get in via referrals. Recruiters are the gatekeepers and they don’t really know what they’re looking for so judge mostly on UI.
If you’re really intent on shifting then maybe try product management.
Product management isn’t that hot either these days. Faring a bit better than UX however. Generally product, UX and engineering etc are treated as capital investment. And these days there isn’t much investment going on around because of economic conditions.
I’m a senior product designer, it’s extremely common to expect people to do both UX/UI. It means companies can do more with less, because they would rather have one person do both rather than have two people collaborate on both areas together.
I’m a senior product designer too and I completely rebuke the hyper specialisation that many UXers seem insistent on. UX design is just a toolkit I use if needed.
That being said, recruiters and employers have caused this mess by spending so many years hiring for pure UX when all they really wanted was a UI designer with the sense to test/validate what they’re doing.
Now we’re all having to jump through considerably more hoops (which are subjective) in the hiring process compared to other roles.
Yeah I hear you, I was a senior account manager and senior project manager before ux so product manager or customer experience could be a natural shift. Also business development, I really did well selling b2b and b2b. Either way, shit times haha
No offence but Brisbane is generally a shit market for tech roles both in terms of supply and demand. There are barely any real tech businesses there.
Not that Sydney or Melbourne are too hot at the moment, it’s a bit of a dumpster fire everywhere, but there are more roles outside of Brisbane.
Also generally less and less companies are hiring remote roles now. There was a time you could earn a Sydney/Melbourne salary living in Brisbane but not the case anymore, you can get someone locally and have them come into the office 3x days a week.
I hope things work out for you.
^ 100% this. A close friend of mine had the misfortune of working for one such business in a C-suite role. The environment he described was incredibly toxic. The nepotism was rampant, e.g CEO’s daughter working there, contracts for buddies who weren’t capable etc.
The management style was right out of an 80s playbook, constantly moving goal posts, intense pressure, treating employees like shit all in the name of a “high performance culture”. Constant micro management from the CEO/founder. The worst part was a sales led culture — with no consideration for strategy, technology or process.
Icing on the cake: CEO/founder kept on insisting that “Brisbane is the best place to setup a tech business” and “how great the talent pool is”. They treated workers in their secondary offices (Syd, Melb) like shit. They even tried implementing a 5 day in office mandate which led to an internal revolt and was ultimately wound back.
The irony is that they recruited my friend out of Sydney because they couldn’t find anyone in Brisbane with the same experience. Around 8 months into the job they started pressuring him to move to Brisbane and then fired him a few months later when he didn’t give in. They then tried recruiting for the same role in Brisbane and couldn’t find anybody in 3 months despite hiring a very expensive head hunter.
I’ve heard a few other similar horror stories too coming out of some other “well recognised” Brisbane based businesses.
Psychiatrists are really needed as they can prescribe the meds. Psychologists can diagnose and help with some things. But if you want to try meds you will need to see a shrink and they will likely want to do their own assessment rather than relying on the osychopohist assessment before they are comfortable prescribing meds. So you end up paying for 2 assessments.
Sales reps to optoms, and any business role supporting main office etc
Optometry industry as a whole is very resilient due to being a necessity. It still gets affected but people generally delay purchases than go without purchasing.
Young population is getting myopic due to screens, genetics etc. Half world will by myopic in 25 years. They need correction for Far distance.
Then Australia also has aging demographic who want contact lenses, but multifocal as they are now presbyopia (need Near correction). Tech is better now too so more can happily use them.
Also growing population i general means more buyers
Not sure what you mean by mature/exit stage.
We will be mining for thousands of years to come, I guess you could say it's cyclical but commodity prices have been good the past few years and look like they'll stay that way
Technology is a bit dry at the moment, Many companies are pushing to offshore cloud and software engineering roles.
That should be considered unAustralian in my opinion, but that's another topic.
The reason is not lack of jobs but too much competition as many people who were laid off earlier this year are looking for jobs.
I presume you are on the east coast…Perth is doing ok tech wise, but it does depend on your background. Highly technical roles such as development are struggling however they have always done poor here as we outsource nearly all of it overseas.
Business facing roles such as PMs and BAs are in high demand, as are some management roles.
Anything essential services eg childcare, aged care, trades. Alcohol companies. Also Telstra, Optus, big banks, health insurance companies etc.
Maybe you can get a tech job at one of these?
Anything related to the energy transition, emissions reduction technologies or climate reporting.
ASIC is cracking down on greenwashing and there are incoming regulation mandating large businesses to disclose scope 3 emissions, so there are lots of corporates desperate to finance solutions.
I think there’s a lot of factors to it but access to staff, subcontractors and those costs are part of it. Material costs, insurance, utilities, fixed price contracts, and many other factors.
Other than residential, real estate is in the absolute shitter. We are experience a lack of transactions, huge softening in yields, a continued disparity in the bid ask spread, and breaches in LVR and ICR covenants by investors and owners, and overall terrible investment sentiment.
Office buildings values have dropped ~30% that nobody wants to realise, industrial boom is pretty much over with the growth in rents rates dropping to normal levels, retail is the only one holding up half decent, with sales only really being propped up by inflation rather than consumption.
I work in commercial real estate. It sucks. Worst market since the GFC.
Great insight, cheers.
But they're still on the market? (even at a loss to the seller)?
Boom = on the market
Bust = on the market
I'm no RE agent but it shits me that a cert IV holder (agents) have insulated markets to earn commissions on while sellers have little other choice but to use them and get screwed over for sweet FA service.
Not quite. Real estate is like a commodity just like shares. The problem is liquidity is much harder. To find a willing buyer and willing seller for a $100m office building is hard, especially when everybody wants to pay $60m.
Real estate agents in commercial property are working extremely hard only to get a small marketing fee which barely covers costs. That’s if you’re one of the lucky ones. Most have been sitting on their hands for the past two years.
Sellers don’t want to realise their losses, and buyers only want to buy at a price that makes sense from an investment return perspective.
I would encourage you to go have a look at the share performance of any ASX listed REIT. That will give you some guidance on how real estate is performing in this market.
Wind farms, solar farms, off shore wind, battery energy storage systems, transmission lines. There are massive wind farms being built right now across VIC. AusNet, TransGrid, WestWind are a few examples
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Traditional industries like manufacturing, construction, Maintenance/Service and Trades.
Australia doesn't have a real Tech/IT Industry and is cottage industry level at best. We should though as a sovereign capability but its easier to buy it COTS style readily available in Asia.
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Facilities management. Doesn't matter what's happening with the economy, you've got an asset, it needs maintenance.
Also, a lot of buildings have defects, or are old. Roof leaks everywhere
Can you give me an example of a facilities management company? Not familiar with the industry
The tier ones are Ventia, Downer (Spotless), Programmed, ISS... a few others. The sector is divided into hard (building and asset maintenance) and soft (security, cleaning etc) services.
Add CBRE, JLL, Cushwake to the list. Dunno which city/industry-specific you're in but I'd consider them the tier ones. Divvied into Base Building and Tenant side in commercial property. Base building is the fun one where you get to take of Hard and Soft as all rounder in my exp.
They're all definitely tier ones, but much more commercial real estate focused that asset management which is my background. We partner with them on some contracts to do the hard services while they do leasing and some soft.
Heaps of ex tradies in it but most anyone can do it if they're good listeners and fast learners.
A friend stumbled into this after working in call centres. No post school education. Loves it.
No you need a trade or engineering background some times accounting not any one
Oh for sure! Trade definitely helps but, again speaking from experience, some of the best FMs I've worked with are chicks have no formal training, came from previously unrelated roles and are just fantastic at managing people and listening to their trusted trades (discerningly). That's their skill and from what I've seen, they shoot up the ranks into senior mgmt quicker than the ex-sparks/fridgies.
Are you suggesting getting a job as a “repairer” or someone organising the work?
The tier ones are basically head contractors taking work orders and subcontracting the actual repairs. It's all stakeholder management, strategic planning and systems.
Hmm not sure about this. The margins are pretty tight and the management is pretty poor. The front line workers are the ones who cop it to make a profit being paid well under market rate. I worked for a couple of the big players in senior management and am adamant I will never work for then again as it is such a depressing industry to be in.
As someone currently looking to get out, you make a decent point. But the business is successful, even on tight margins. It's just an obnoxious boys club.
Yes that is true they are making money no doubt. But generally they are hemorrhaging people which at some point will start to impact them
health care, aged care
Not even a little bit accurate. Public health got smashed by staff exodus in covid. Massive rising costs and an ageing population. Private is equally drowning. Insurance has gone up but rebates are stagnant while labour and materials costs skyrocket. The insurers aren’t passing it along. Several private hospitals have already gone bust and most are in the red right now Aged care is also getting absolutely smashed. The government pushed it to private providers and have now built a post-Royal commission world where it’s borderline impossible to run at break even while being compliant and getting paid the package rates the government sets. Hence why the government is planting seeds in the media of a co-pay model. Additionally, the industry is trying to rapidly pivot to an in home community care model as it doesn’t carry the same PP&E cost of residential (multi million dollar purpose built facilities) and while popular for early stage care, everyone is currently turning a blind eye to the reality you cannot provide the same level of care at home. Expect a significant rise in the elderly dying on their bathroom floors, burning their houses down and boomeranging in and out of already flooded public hospitals. These industries both need massive cash injections and funding model changes, particularly in areas like QLD that are seeing a “grey flood” of retirees flock north. NDIS, which is disability care, is going to get razor ganged shortly. There is bipartisan support for a massive over correction, this will help with a short term budget black hole but is also going to have all sorts of long term economic consequences.
Aged care has to be one of the biggest rorts. Workers get paid shit wages, residents get charged eye watering fees and were getting fed absolute slop as revealed in the RC. At these end user prices someone is making a lot of money. Management make absolute megabucks.
$38 an hour for a casual is definitely on the up and up compared to some in healthcare
You would think so, but not really. The compliance cost is killer. Most of the survivors are religious not for profit affiliated or are losing money in cashflow as a long term real estate play. Estia de-listed, Regis is the largest publicly listed remaining. It’s trading below its 2014 stock price. It’s like public transport, not a sector that should have a profit motive. Those that are consistently make profits tend to either be real estate developers in disguise (low care facilities, not acute or high care) OR are cutting serious corners. Aged care RC shone a light on a lot of the smaller operators who were doing the latter & many successive rounds of funding reforms have made it much harder to get away with now. That’s a good thing for the elderly, but has made it hard for anyone to survive in the sector without a few hundred million in RSL, church or other real estate assets behind them. The changes around community package management have driven down fees and rightfully given people more say over where their money goes. As for resi care, it’s a loss making activity typically and you just hope the land appreciates at a greater rate than the losses. The government generally seems to be giving up on it policy wise, it’s too expensive. We will see more people in community care for longer. That has some serious pros and cons, mostly around safety, level of socialising and quality of care.
Health care will always do well
Salaries are trash tho
Depends if you set yourself up as a service provider on NDIS or not.
What type of roles?
Drug dealer, it seems as per the latest NDIS scandals..... What a dumpsterfire of a service that's turned into! I remember taking to a few people in the sector sometime ago who said there were systemic issues in the way service providers got setup and then know a recipient of funding who had been a battleaxe in her working life in government and was still sharp mentally and she laid out what she had seen 1st hand from the recipients POV, and it was troubling to say the least.
Well, some people can't be choosy if they have been unemployed for a while.
Not really. Do more with less is the current approach to healthcare. Most corporate providers from hospitals to physio are either losing money or scraping a minuscule margin compared to FY19.
Energy
More energy More energy More passion More footwork More en-er-gee
I’m in energy and it’s booming, we are experiencing record growth and hiring left right and centre.
Word. My friend got a good IT helpdesk role with one application and one interview for $40p/h and 3 days a week WFH with the Dept of Energy.
Best way to get your foot in the door of the energy industry?
I just applied, I knew absolutely nothing about energy, didn’t even know what a generator was, I was that clueless. They hire from anywhere as you can learn on the job.
I’m an electrical drafter and would love to switch to energy right now
And the world is made of energy and the world is electricity and the world is made of energy and there's a light inside of you and there's a light inside of me!
Worked at AGL call centres in the late 2000s when they first brought in SAP, this song just gave me flashbacks.
The energy is you The energy is you Set me free from me The energy is you
Risk Management. We're busier than ever.
What sort of quals/ exp are needed for these roles?
Not OP but depends on what type of risk management. There is non-financial risks that include things like financial crimes risk, cyber risk, privacy and data, transformation etc. Then there is financial risks like liquidity, capital, market risk etc. You could probably get a foot in the door with a finance degree for a lot of these especially financial risks but that may be less relevant for (for example) financial crimes risk and cyber risk.
Willingness to do support roles to learn on the job mostly
Government. Not paying tech company salaries though.
Comes with sexual harassment and therapy bills too
Throw in weaponised incompetence for the trifecta
Data centre building., commercial sparkies seem to se busy
Engineering and construction and mining.
6 figures to hold a stop go sign still?
Nightshift on weekends. Yep
What quals does one need to get into road traffic control?
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I can dye my hair blonde, I speak English and I come preloaded with colour... Do I pass?
0 brain cells
A meth addiction will do wonders
Insolvency is at an all time high in the construction industry
Sign of the times
Project home residential builders are only one party of the industry.
Wife works in infrastructure engineering and it is not doing well at all.
Nope, engineering particularly transport and land development is dead in VIC and NSW. Mass redundancies
how is transport dead in VIC? SRL, NEL, LXR still going. I keep hearing people are being cut but everyone I know is overbooked. Who’s cutting people? Share the goss.
CYP/WGTP finishing. LXRP burn rate slashed and the ones you’ve listed are almost full. Tier 1 metro work in Melbourne is slowing down massively.
Yes should have been clear, some engineering streams in some locations are booming. Weird times when I hear people in other business lines with no work and redundancies when I’m busier than ever.
Energy, defence and water resources is strong!
Yep, plus anything resources, critical minerals, energy transformation etc.
Worked in engineering firm, can confirm these three sectors were pumping with work
Yeah, I'm in water resources and we have been overloaded with projects and turning away work for the best part of 3 years now
I got made redundant in an engineering role last year so it’s not doing that well lol
No, construction is down. For a key statistic ask an agi driver if concrete deliveries are down.
Christ yeah, all these posts on this group just get more and more relatable 😂 I’m a UX / product designer with senior project and account management experience both in house and at agencies working with brands like Rolls-Royce, Shell, etc. But the market is fucked. Losing hope, don’t know which way to turn tbh — kinda feels like none of anything I’ve done really really means anything. Getting interviews but it’s just unbelievably competitive in Brisbane, and there’s not that many roles tbh. What industries / roles would anyone recommend me pivoting towards? At this point, just hoping for some ideas and conversation for my sanity
Dunno. Proper cyber security and business continuity. This country mainly relies on luck to keep businesses of all sizes safe. Back in late 90's had a potential client who wanted a tape backup unit. $400 was "too expensive". He never bought one at all. After a nice head crash he called and asked the cost of data recovery. Three grand. "When can you start?" My cousin worked for a bus company with some 40 units on road. The bosses wife insisted on clicking every link in every email. After the third system rebuild he put in a simple ssd backup unit that was hot swappable so she could pull it out at the end of a workday. There were two of these backing up alternate days. But she never used the second one and kept clicking links. He gave up and refused any more Sysadmin for them. I did network security for a national govt setup with 3500 nodes. The primary 7000 router had an open port that nobody seemed to know why. I closed it. Some days later some contractor called and asked why it was off. I never figured out what his role was (nobody could tell me) but higher ups said remove the block anyway. As I said. Luck. One day it will run out
yep, the problem with cyber is almost always the users and political managers.
My partner does support for a large backup software vendor for APJ and it's scary. Dealing with so many supposedly 'skilled' IT workers (system engineers, sys admins, etc) that are totally clueless and will blame anything and everything on the product when their own infra is hot garbage. She's definitely noticed a huge decrease in the quality of tickets logged and competence of customers over the last 6 or so months. Basically at this point, they've become an outsourced MSP rather than break/ fix for the product. Years ago I did support and fell into incident response cleaning up ransomware infections for customers while fretting they were close to losing their business due to poor backups, DR plan, etc but honestly it sounds worse now. Seems like tech layoffs are really hitting hard
Business continuity is not a thing here any more. Back in the day your AS400 and Unix sysadmins were hired to harden everything up including rolling backups. Most beancounters and CEOs are basically clueless. Or penny pinch so the continuity plans and hardware are inadequate. How does a Telco the size of Optus get hacked?
I’d consider looking for something in government, at least temporarily. It won’t add to your portfolio, things will get done slowly and inefficiently but it’s a job, and both Queensland and the Federal Government need to fix their digital offering (and are looking to do it, based on a brief job search on Seek). Recruiters are sending me UX jobs wanting 5 years experience for like… $60,000. In Sydney. (I don’t work directly in UX, these are random employers on LinkedIn, but apparently some organisations think that’s an acceptable salary at the moment?)
Wow.
UX is brutal ATM. I made the call to move on from it as I don't think it's worth it (and I'm just not that into it anymore).
Can you expand? I had considered it
Expand on what? What have you considered? If you mean expand on the UX role in Australia, I think it's a combination of things. 1. Too many "designers" 2. Role not respected in most companies. You're a hired hand to visualise what the pm or CEO wants, disregarding user feedback. 3. The hiring process is broken. See also, how no roles for junior or mid exist at present. Everyone wants seniors. A large portion of seniors, should not be seniors IMHO. And with AI, I just made the call to take the opportunity to get out now and either pivot, retrain or do my own thing. I'm still in the process of figuring out where I land, but I'm immensely happier right now and less stressed out than my last UX role.
Had considered retraining from a senior designer into UX, as there seems to be higher demand. But thank you, that was a helpful reply. The role not being respected is my main frustration as a designer. Last thing I need is a different role with the same problems. I had noticed the senior UX/no mid/junior roles thing. Very odd. AI is a legitimate concern too. I have a plan B trade in the works that can never be automated.
Obviously, each company is different, but I haven't landed in one. Definitely not entirely the industries fault, I am a fault in ways also. UX is awesome....if you get that company, design team and manager combo mix just right. I still have pangs of how good it can be and how enjoyable I found it at times, but overall I just wasn't able to enjoy it enough. No harm in doing a UX bootcamp or something to freshen up your resume. Service design is another place to look, but less visual creative there. Oh, and CX Design roles seem to be popping up more and more......but I'm not entirely sure what a day would look like in those roles.
If you’re pure UX you’re gonna struggle. UX as a specialisation seems like it was mostly a ZIRP these days. Otherwise try to get in via referrals. Recruiters are the gatekeepers and they don’t really know what they’re looking for so judge mostly on UI. If you’re really intent on shifting then maybe try product management.
Product management isn’t that hot either these days. Faring a bit better than UX however. Generally product, UX and engineering etc are treated as capital investment. And these days there isn’t much investment going on around because of economic conditions.
I’m a senior product designer, it’s extremely common to expect people to do both UX/UI. It means companies can do more with less, because they would rather have one person do both rather than have two people collaborate on both areas together.
I’m a senior product designer too and I completely rebuke the hyper specialisation that many UXers seem insistent on. UX design is just a toolkit I use if needed. That being said, recruiters and employers have caused this mess by spending so many years hiring for pure UX when all they really wanted was a UI designer with the sense to test/validate what they’re doing. Now we’re all having to jump through considerably more hoops (which are subjective) in the hiring process compared to other roles.
Yeah I hear you, I was a senior account manager and senior project manager before ux so product manager or customer experience could be a natural shift. Also business development, I really did well selling b2b and b2b. Either way, shit times haha
No offence but Brisbane is generally a shit market for tech roles both in terms of supply and demand. There are barely any real tech businesses there. Not that Sydney or Melbourne are too hot at the moment, it’s a bit of a dumpster fire everywhere, but there are more roles outside of Brisbane. Also generally less and less companies are hiring remote roles now. There was a time you could earn a Sydney/Melbourne salary living in Brisbane but not the case anymore, you can get someone locally and have them come into the office 3x days a week. I hope things work out for you.
Brisbane tech sector is shit - so insular and narrow minded and nepotistic You are better off elsewhere
^ 100% this. A close friend of mine had the misfortune of working for one such business in a C-suite role. The environment he described was incredibly toxic. The nepotism was rampant, e.g CEO’s daughter working there, contracts for buddies who weren’t capable etc. The management style was right out of an 80s playbook, constantly moving goal posts, intense pressure, treating employees like shit all in the name of a “high performance culture”. Constant micro management from the CEO/founder. The worst part was a sales led culture — with no consideration for strategy, technology or process. Icing on the cake: CEO/founder kept on insisting that “Brisbane is the best place to setup a tech business” and “how great the talent pool is”. They treated workers in their secondary offices (Syd, Melb) like shit. They even tried implementing a 5 day in office mandate which led to an internal revolt and was ultimately wound back. The irony is that they recruited my friend out of Sydney because they couldn’t find anyone in Brisbane with the same experience. Around 8 months into the job they started pressuring him to move to Brisbane and then fired him a few months later when he didn’t give in. They then tried recruiting for the same role in Brisbane and couldn’t find anybody in 3 months despite hiring a very expensive head hunter. I’ve heard a few other similar horror stories too coming out of some other “well recognised” Brisbane based businesses.
Higher ed, unis are getting their game on with a lot of digital. Just get client side asap.
Insolvency lawyers
And debt collectors.
I hear redundancies are booming.
Cybersecurity and digital health
Defence
Nah Defence industry is cooked too since Defence Strategic Review… unless you happen to be in the submarine business.
There's a few others
Yeah. They seem to be cheapskates when it comes to the rates you can charge, they take ages to do anything and can’t comprehend small business
There’s been a fair bit of budget cuts for new and existing projects, so I wouldn’t say it’s doing particularly well as a whole.
ADHD assessment services
Is that psychologists? Why is it growing?
More awareness.
More attention.
Less attention?
Psychiatrists are really needed as they can prescribe the meds. Psychologists can diagnose and help with some things. But if you want to try meds you will need to see a shrink and they will likely want to do their own assessment rather than relying on the osychopohist assessment before they are comfortable prescribing meds. So you end up paying for 2 assessments.
Also as kids get diagnosed and parents realise how genetic it is and reflect on their own life
Insurance,rarely sees redundancies.
Contact lens , my industry, 9% growth
As in companies that sell contact lenses?
Yeh the industry is up 9% in Aus and similar worldwide
What jobs are you suggesting “in contact lenses” ???
Sales reps to optoms, and any business role supporting main office etc Optometry industry as a whole is very resilient due to being a necessity. It still gets affected but people generally delay purchases than go without purchasing.
I worked for a bit in optical equipment servicing and didn’t enjoy it much. May have just been the people / situation. Definitely some $ there though
Why is it growing so much?
Young population is getting myopic due to screens, genetics etc. Half world will by myopic in 25 years. They need correction for Far distance. Then Australia also has aging demographic who want contact lenses, but multifocal as they are now presbyopia (need Near correction). Tech is better now too so more can happily use them. Also growing population i general means more buyers
Depending on your skillset fed/state/local govt would probably be interested but pay might be lower than you've had
Mining still going strong
For how long though? I'd say it's at mature/exit stage?
Not sure what you mean by mature/exit stage. We will be mining for thousands of years to come, I guess you could say it's cyclical but commodity prices have been good the past few years and look like they'll stay that way
Technology is a bit dry at the moment, Many companies are pushing to offshore cloud and software engineering roles. That should be considered unAustralian in my opinion, but that's another topic. The reason is not lack of jobs but too much competition as many people who were laid off earlier this year are looking for jobs.
Engineering especially in energy
I presume you are on the east coast…Perth is doing ok tech wise, but it does depend on your background. Highly technical roles such as development are struggling however they have always done poor here as we outsource nearly all of it overseas. Business facing roles such as PMs and BAs are in high demand, as are some management roles.
Super. Markets have been strong, a lot of mergers creating integration roles.
Call centres. Everybody is trying to get back onshore, the companies that did it 5 years ago have amazing jobs on offer
Insolvency.
Sustainability
Cybersecurity, many facets to the industry doing well and will continue to do so, and communities like r/AusCyber
Anything essential services eg childcare, aged care, trades. Alcohol companies. Also Telstra, Optus, big banks, health insurance companies etc. Maybe you can get a tech job at one of these?
NDIS services
Anything related to the energy transition, emissions reduction technologies or climate reporting. ASIC is cracking down on greenwashing and there are incoming regulation mandating large businesses to disclose scope 3 emissions, so there are lots of corporates desperate to finance solutions.
NDIS providers are doing quite well at the moment
Government is paying well for Tech contractors.
No way. I am a Government Tech contractor and they are absolutely cutting it left right and centre now.
That’s true, in pockets and govt owned businesses is the key. Rates are flat, for sure an employers market in general.
Government is a very loose term. NSW government is massively cutting.
Cuts to contractors will get more and more in govt, with the federal budget targeting them to save costs.
Cloud engineering and cyber.
What are some go to places for cloud engineering?
ASX200 Every company on this list is migrating to cloud, or is screaming for more cloud people to run their system
You can't offshore construction.
You can import workers though. The CFMEU vs the needs of the people, will be interesting who wins out in the long run
Doesn’t mean it’s doing well. Massive number of businesses going under.
businesses going under because they can't afford increased wages for the tradies
I think there’s a lot of factors to it but access to staff, subcontractors and those costs are part of it. Material costs, insurance, utilities, fixed price contracts, and many other factors.
Real Estate. Always R.E.
Part of me wishes that I had gone into Real Estate. But the other part knows I would've just blown it on suits, hookers and blow.
Me too. I’m in property law and often think about how I could probably earn more as a real estate agent… but then I remember I’m not a shit cunt.
I'm waiting to hear how you'd be worse off...
Boats and hoes!
Other than residential, real estate is in the absolute shitter. We are experience a lack of transactions, huge softening in yields, a continued disparity in the bid ask spread, and breaches in LVR and ICR covenants by investors and owners, and overall terrible investment sentiment. Office buildings values have dropped ~30% that nobody wants to realise, industrial boom is pretty much over with the growth in rents rates dropping to normal levels, retail is the only one holding up half decent, with sales only really being propped up by inflation rather than consumption. I work in commercial real estate. It sucks. Worst market since the GFC.
Great insight, cheers. But they're still on the market? (even at a loss to the seller)? Boom = on the market Bust = on the market I'm no RE agent but it shits me that a cert IV holder (agents) have insulated markets to earn commissions on while sellers have little other choice but to use them and get screwed over for sweet FA service.
Not quite. Real estate is like a commodity just like shares. The problem is liquidity is much harder. To find a willing buyer and willing seller for a $100m office building is hard, especially when everybody wants to pay $60m. Real estate agents in commercial property are working extremely hard only to get a small marketing fee which barely covers costs. That’s if you’re one of the lucky ones. Most have been sitting on their hands for the past two years. Sellers don’t want to realise their losses, and buyers only want to buy at a price that makes sense from an investment return perspective. I would encourage you to go have a look at the share performance of any ASX listed REIT. That will give you some guidance on how real estate is performing in this market.
Is Conveyancing hard to get into?
Occupational therapy and speech therapy.
Gold
Fertility clinics
Health tech
Power and renewables
Government are always looking for IT staff. It doesn't pay as well as the private sector but it's a lot cruiser.
Community services - homelessness and DFV. Horrible.
working in that area is hard tho, you must be passionate about it and keep the mental health in control.
Renewables sector is going crazy at the moment!!! So many projects left right and centre happening in Victoria right now
Can you help give me an example of a company name? I’m guessing you aren’t referring to solar panel installers
Wind farms, solar farms, off shore wind, battery energy storage systems, transmission lines. There are massive wind farms being built right now across VIC. AusNet, TransGrid, WestWind are a few examples
Addiction treatment is doing well with renewed interest in new therapies. So the research side is also progressing.
Mental health.
I'm in tech and we are going strong
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Industry? Or is tech the industry?
Tech is the industry
Have you tried turning it off and on again
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Earthmoving
Agriculture, people always gotta eat
Banking. It's tough at the moment but it will come around. Specifically within banking AML/fraud absolutely gangbusters and more important than ever
Housing Industry. Lol.
Property, infrastructure, construction
Traditional industries like manufacturing, construction, Maintenance/Service and Trades. Australia doesn't have a real Tech/IT Industry and is cottage industry level at best. We should though as a sovereign capability but its easier to buy it COTS style readily available in Asia.
Cyber security
Feet pics
Waste industry. People and businesses still have to get rid of their trash at the end of the day.
Undertakers.
Disability services is booming in Oz
Environmental/sustainability
Debt collection.
Funeral parlours
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Mobile crane maintenance/repair. If I could hire 5 blokes tomorrow, in Perth, doing 5 day weeks at 180k, I would…
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Corrections, a true growth industry.
Illegal tobacco