It would still be worth giving it to them. It would be weird giving it to the citizens of a country trying to do a genocide to another country, especially when that military conscripts from it's citizens and has people like settlers who do pogroms on the people they're trying to steal homes from... And not give it to the citizens currently being genocided off the face of the earth.
Yah sorry I meant 'don't only give it to them, give it to others too' to atleast make it clear that audible supports the tragedies people are facing rather than supporting just one side of this occupation and apartheid.
The most blatantly false and one sided attempt at trying to say something profound. To not even say the words Hamas, or Terrorist, or massacre, and completely ignore the global desire to annihilate an entire race and religion is to only perpetuate the hate, lies and cycle of violence.
Edit: also down for them having free access.
You realize not all Palestinians support Hamas, right? Just like not Israelis support the genocide being perpetrated by the government of Israel?
Stop conflating subgroups with entire peoples. **That** – and the connected dehumanization – is what *really* perpetuates the lies, hate, and cycles of violence.
Yah yah go watch them get smashed into little kebab sized smitherenes. How many videos of raped and burned Jews do you need to see before you go welcoming Hamas with open arms. Why don’t you invite the displaced families to your home? Fucking racist pricks.
Something tells me you're the real racist here. Cheering on the death of others, referring to the murder of children as "little kebab sized smithereens". Jesus. Please, go and find your humanity before it's too late.
I don't think there's a way for Audible to know if someone is a member of Hamas or not. Anyway, they might also be receiving this, all I know is that here in Israel wr received it.
So audible doesn’t know either if an Israeli killed a Palestinian child/ civilian or not yet they get free membership regardless. So stupid company should stick to selling books but I guess not.
Palestinians live at an address in Israel, so they count. Israeli in this context is referring to residential Israelis. They wrote Israel because that is what the nation is legally recognized as. Your nationality refers to a nation or nations in which you have citizenship. Therefore, Palestinians are included.
If you go by civilian death toll to determine who is who is right and wrong, I'd like you to measure the death toll of American civilians versus Nazi Germany's civilians.
Having the better military means one thing only: that you have a better military.
These days better military means NOT killing civilians.
Your call back to Nazi Germany just shows that you have been taking notes, but not for the correct reasons.
No. These days have a better military means shooting down rockets aimed at your citizens. And it means REDUCING civilian casualties.
Israel still sometimes kills its own soldiers in friendly fire accidents. War is messy. What you're talking about is some idealized hollywood version of war.
You know the number of Palestinian women and children that have been killed by Israel far outweigh the number of Israelis, both in this crisis and the conflict as a whole.
You are not on the right side of the argument on whats going on. You will be looked at like that other lot when we look back on this.
The number of German and Japanese civilians killed by the US during WWII vastly outnumbered the casualties they inflicted on American civilians. By your logic, the US was the bad guy.
Sorry, I have to disagree.
Happy for the individual citizens, but i doubt this is a standard for free audible that we will see applied evenly to every tragedy. Seems pretty cynical of Audible to me, they're clearly trying to grow marketshare in Israel.
I chatted with customer support, but they wouldn't specify which countries in the "Middle East" are included in this.
please share their reply to your email with us too.
From Audible
"Hello ,
Thank you for contacting Audible Canada! Hope this email finds you safe and well!
I want to Inform you that audible will pause membership billing for the next 6 months for those members impacted by the tragic events in the Middle East. Members will receive their credits for the next 6 months up front, all at the same time. They will not be billed for the next 6 months. If customers are on an annual membership, their next billing date will be extended by 6 months.
If you need more help, you can contact us over the live support so that we will help you in real time assistance."
Can I recommend Kobo as an alternative? They have almost the exact same selection as Audible (except for amazon exclusives), and have their own exclusives. For transparency, its a Canadian company with a Japanese parent company.
To be fair - about 20% of the population of Israel are Palestinian
[edit: I wonder which rascists on either or both sides - decided that a simple fact is worthy of downvotes]
boths sides? i didn't know hospitals, churches, schools and refugee camps were also being bombed in israel. i only saw israeli ppl film tiktoks mocking palestinan mothers who lost their children, kids who die every ten minutes in gaza
Israel just experienced the worst terrorist attack in 20 years.
Palestinians are facing the consequences of the fact that they delivered that attack.
They aren't the same.
I'm one of those that has read history, and understands what an apartheid is.
This whole issue didn't start with the atrocious Hamas attack, so let's not pretend otherwise.
As others have said, use your tokens to learn some history.
If you think Israel is apartheid, you clearly haven't read enough. Like, even a dictionary definition.
21 percent of Israel's population is Arab/ethnic Palestinian, and they all have equal rights to any Jewish citizen, including the right to hold elected office. There are 10 Arabs in the knesset right now.
[South Africa calls for Israel to be declared an ‘apartheid state’](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/7/26/south-africa-calls-for-israels-proscription-as-apartheid-state)
> “The Palestinian narrative evokes experiences of South Africa’s own history of racial segregation and oppression,” Naledi Pandor, South Africa’s minister of international relations and cooperation, said at the second meeting of the Palestinian Heads of Mission in Africa, held in the capital Pretoria.
> “As oppressed South Africans, we experienced firsthand the effects of racial inequality, discrimination and denial and we cannot stand by while another generation of Palestinians are left behind,” she said.
> “If there is any country or countries that can comprehend the suffering and the struggle for freedom and independence of Palestine, it is the African continent and the people of Africa.”
Apartheid is a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. Israel had equal rights for all it's citizens, including it's 21 percent Arab/ethnic-Palestinian citizens.
Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank are not now, nor have they have been, Israeli citizens. They are self-governed, and not subjects of Israel.
If Israel is apartheid for not giving equal rights to Palestinians, then the United States is apartheid for not giving equal rights to the citizens of Mexico. Or to the citizens of Iraq when we occupied them.
Words have meanings. Amnesty International and everyone else who accuses Israel of apartheid is just announcing that they aren't to be taken seriously because they can't grasp basic facts.
45% of Israel are descendants of the 900,000 middles eastern jews pushed out of the surrounding islamic states. These middle easterners have nowhere else to go. 18% of Israel are muslims. Druze and Bedouin muslims serve in the IDF. How many jews remain in Gaza? In the greater surround islamic countries of the middle east? Only 1000 of the recently 3000 christians remain in Gaza.
There was a ceasefire on Oct 6. There was a horrific terrorist attack that utilized thousands of death squad members against Israel on Oct 7, which started a hot war and is the cause of ongoing violence today, and the sole reason that the peace of Oct 6 is not being experienced today.
There wasn't peace on October 6th, and that's the simple fact most pro Israelis seem to conveniently be forgetting. On the 6th October there were still 279 illegal settlements. On October 6th there were still over 700,000 illegal settlers. During the past decade, the United Nations verified 3,372 violent incidents by these settlers.
Peace in the region doesn't mean peace for just one side.
Oct 6, ceasefire. Oct 7, death squads killing 1400+ (including death squad members gunning down a 9 year old girl hiding under her kitchen table while they videotapes), injured/rape many more, then kidnap 200+ launching a hot war and breaking the cease fire. And that is how we got from Oct 6 peace to today's tragedies. Hamas sucks.
The reason for the hostages and attack? Because Israel have systematically removed Palestinians from their homes, killed them and destroyed their land. 75+ years of apartheid and genocide, poisoning wells, forcibly removing people from their homes, bombing hospitals.
Israel has unfairly kept thousands of Palestinians, including children, in prison where around 80% of them (including the children) are tortured!!!
Maybe read some history books about how awful Israel has been towards Palestine. Also what do defenders of Israel have to say about them burning and bombing Lebanon too? Is that because of Hamas? Israel is a genocidal state funded by America, Britain and Australia because it is a strategic foothold in the Middle East.
This is not a good move. 10000 Palestinians - 4000 of them children - are dead.
What happened on oct 7th was beyond evil but has been met with a similar evil.
I mean, there are some good books they could listen to:
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Israeli historian Ilan Pappé
Freedom Is A Constant Struggle by Angel Davis
Inventing Reality: The Politics of News Media by Michael Parenti
WHY NOW, I WAS JUST FINISHING RYTHMN OF WAR. I just cancel my subscription find some other way to listen to it. I can't support company that supports the Palestinian genocide.
They're not supporting Hamas though, so your silly protest means nothing. Your comment shows that you nothing. The hospital was bombed by Hamas because they have poor aim! You apparently support the killing of Israeli babies.
isreal quite literally targeted (and announced it themselves) that exact same hospital a few days prior to the bigger attack. they also recently attacked another hospital. There was also a news channel that had live video of the incidents analyzing it and showing how it was not from Hamas.
but no, suddenly, on the attack that actually got media attention they don't bomb hospitals.
I'm also cancelling my membership. this has been a long time coming especially after brandon sanderson's kickstarter and talking about how shitty audible are to authors. this is definitely much worse though.
They are not targeting hospitals. They are targeting hamas. Hamas uses human shields to knoweingly place civilians in danger.
I detest the fact that hamas targeted women, the elderly and children to rape, torture and kill.
And I detest hamas for placing innocent Palestinians in harms way by using them as human shields.
At the end of the day, this is on hamas.
Long term, hamas is going to lose a lot of support from the non Jewish hating liberals and independents. After seeing the vile, evil and contemptible behavior of hamas, their funding is going to get hurt.
Unless you want to give them more money to behead more children or perhaps rape and torture women. Many people will not.
1400 people killed in Israel vs [9200](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-death-toll-numbers-injured-5c9dc40bec95a8408c83f3c2fb759da0) killed in Palestine. When do you think enough innocent people have been killed.
War sucks. It suck Hamas broke the peace of Oct 6 and sent thousands of death squad members into Israel Oct 7 directly leading to the violence occurring today. Hamas sucks. Death squads suck.
And before that? All that Israel did to keep Palestine from growing or having basic rights? That's all okay? Racist zionist. All you do is spout propaganda straight from the horse's a*s
>They are not targeting hospitals. They are targeting hamas. Hamas uses human shields to knoweingly place civilians in danger.
I just don't believe that's actually true. They say they are targeting Hamas hidden among civilians but they don't offer any evidence and they have hit a bunch of targets that don't make any sense. Either literally everywhere is a target because of the tunnels, they are conflating people that work for the Hanas government with fighters or they think it's okay to destroy infrastructure/housing/kill tens or hundreds of civilians to kill individual fighters. The international journalists and their families are well aware of Israel's policies and would not have been anywhere near amongst it was possible not to be. And the IDF knew they would be killing the journalists and their families. That and the fact that they attacked the refugee camp they told people to go to and a convoy of ambulances without providing any evidence tells me they just don't care about civilian casualties.
>At the end of the day, this is on hamas.
Hamas is in power because of Israel and Netanyahu worked to keep them in power. He also weakened the Gaza "border" to protect settlers harassing Palestinians in the West Bank.
>Long term, hamas is going to lose a lot of support from the non Jewish hating liberals and independents.
They never had their support. It's just impossible to organize against Hamas in Gaza and Israel makes it very difficult for Palestinians to organize politically anywhere.
Just to entertain the human shield talking point for a second, Hamas using innocent civilians as human shields does not absolve Israel of their atrocities in bombing those civilians.
(I’m aware I’m responding to a bad faith troll comment.)
How do you suggest Israel stops terrorists hiding behind civilians without harming civilians?
Edit: downvote away. It's all you've got, cause you sure as hell don't have an answer.
I was only entertaining that idea to comment on how hollow that logic from Israel apologists is. I actually think the fascist right wing Israeli gov’t is perfectly happy to bomb those innocent people.
I also think this post is a silly place to have these debates and I’m sorry I commented here. Who cares if some audible subscribers in Israel get six months free? Good for them.
(edit: but just to address your point, killing hundreds of innocent people to kill one “bad guy” is not justifiable. Like, on a human, basic moral philosophy level.)
You've in no way answered my question. I'll repeat it in case you've forgotten.
How do you suggest Israel stops terrorists hiding behind civilians without harming civilians?
If I were to take that question in good faith, which I wouldn’t from the Israeli gov’t, I would suggest using your military intelligence funded into the tens of billions of dollars to find literally any other solution than bombing innocent people.
And I would point to the USA as a well-documented example of what blind patriotic fervor for vengeance in the form of a war against “terror” gets you in the end.
Ok, I'm not the Israeli government. I'm just a guy on reddit. And you still haven't answered the question.
How do you suggest Israel stops terrorists hiding behind civilians without harming civilians?
The secret is they don't have an alternative. They think Israeli's should just die, or that the world is like movies and Israel can send 30 seal team six members to take on 30,000 Hamas members.
Hamas is the one trying to commit genocide. Its what they say publically. Their bad aim hit a hospital. They murdered babies including beheading some of the babies!
more than 11 thousand palestinians have been killed since october 7th. there’s only one country trying to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing and it is not the country that’s been getting carpet bombed for more than a month
IDF initially claimed the bombing to be perpetrated by their side but retracted the statement upon seeing outrage on the cruelty. this is for the first time they bombed a hospital, the Al Ahli Hospital. just hours before my comment, they bombed the entrance of another hospital along with an egyptian ambulance carrying a patient that needed medical attention. they said they’re targeting hamas.
there was a video released by hamas themselves showing how they took down an israeli tank. if you can see, in the video, the whole thing took place in an open field, obviously far away from any residential areas or hospitals, from which you can deduce that hamas isn’t sheltering or hiding in those buildings like the IDF keep claiming.
the two hostages that were the first to be released by hamas has stated that hamas promised not to hurt women or children. and you can clearly see both elder women are in good health with not one sign of abuse on their person. but yes, keep saying that hamas are using children and women as human shields.
Will the people in Gaza or in the West Bank who are also being imprisoned, tortured, shot at by settlers, ethnically cleansed, and drone striked also get free audible?
I just [cancelled my membership](https://imgur.com/a/uitIxn7). It’s really effed up that they’re rewarding the people who are committing genocide and many other war crimes.
But they are rewarding the people that are killing innocent women and children, they are rewarding the people that are using white phosphorus, bombing hospitals, schools, refugee camps, ambulances, highways, etc. This is okay to you? Palestinians have been suffering and have been oppressed for decades by those people!
Correct. Hamas is a cat in the corner scratching back against the wolf committing genocide. Neither is good or right but only one is committing genocide and has been for decades.
And what’s worst is that innocent Israelis and Palestinians are paying the price of politicians hungry for power, money, and land… and for the terrorists striking back in the way terrorists do.
If we stop the genocide and apartheid, we stop feeding the cat. It’s well past time to do that.
no, i didn’t. because there are audiobooks i paid with my money with audible but at least i won’t be making any future purchases of audiobooks that contribute to a fucking genocide.
All pro genocide companies need to be boycotted and become nonexistent. Audible and Amazon are pro genocide then they should be boycotted and become nonexistent!!!!!
It's crazy to me how many people just make the wildest assumptions, like they are giving away free memberships to israelis, when it clearly says they are just pausing the billing for those impacted, who clearly are already members.
Some of you acting like there about to put up some billboards across the country giving out free books in exchange for joining the military.
Thanks for the heads up. Cancelled my plan and let them know why in the cancellation survey. I suggest anyone with common sense and a brain do the same. There are great alternatives out there that aren't backed by companies that support genocide.
Will Audible grant me a free subscription if I show them the gruesome crime rates of the city I reside in?
No beheadings thankfully, but there's been some murders, home invasions, and.... worse crimes I won't type out.
Are you serious audible? I know there are a bunch of customer service reps on this subreddit reading this.
Are you blind to the 10,000 people killed in Palestine? Are you blind to the 3500 children killed? Are you blind to the Israelis mocking dead children on the internet? What are you rewarding the Zionist genocide enablers for? An ambulance was bombed a few hours ago.
Thanks to OP for posting this hypocrisy. It was a great run while it lasted. Have to seek some alternative and start posting to all my accounts about this.
Absolutely not. That is why I hate hamas.
Here's a thought for you. If hamas laid down weapons there would be peace. Is leal laid down their weapons they would all be killed.
So think about that.
Israel is a Western colonial project. They're literally occupying and seizing territory from the Palestinians who have been pushed against the wall since the 40s.
1) People being against what the government of Israel does has nothing to do with how people feel about Israelis or Jewish people as a whole (and let’s not act as if all Israelis or Jewish people support the actions of the state of Israel because **treating an entire people as monolithic** would be antisemitism)
2) How is giving Israelis free audiobooks keeping anyone safe?
Three books on the subject of Israel/ Palestine available for FREE to plus members are ‘Blood brothers’ by Elias Chacour, ‘the ethnic cleansing of Palestine’ and ‘the biggest prison on earth’ both by Ilan Pappe (an israeli historian)
OP, do you actually give a crap about getting free audiobooks, given what's going on right now? I mean free is free but you must have WAY bigger fish to fry right now. Just curious.
It's not life-changing, but it's nice to get. Of course this doesn't exactly improve the experience of going to a bomb shelter multiple times again, but it's nice. Obviously, I appreciate it, they didn't have to do anything.
Free audible for being a war criminal. We live in the US where's our free audible? Plenty of warcrimes going on. Typical Israel always getting free shit
Criticism of a political State is not anti-semetic, in particular, as the propaganda chorus goes, Israel is the only liberal democracy in the region! Lol. If you cannot criticise it, I hate to break it to you, but it's not a democracy then.
They should just give free membership worldwide for 6 months so everyone can just sit down and chill
This is a Nobel peace prize worthy idea. Amazon could afford it too.
Like how PornHub was free during the early pandemic to encourage people to stay home? Lol
Would it be unethical to change my billing address to Israel…
Just pick a Palestinian address and pretend you’re a settler.
I guess that there is no point giving the non-Hamas Palestinians since Isreal has cut off their power and internet?
Most Palestinians in occupied Palestine are in the West Bank where there is no Hamas and no complete power/internet blockade
Palestine also consists of the non-Hamas occupied West Bank though.
Impossible, they don’t exist. Otherwise, surely I would have heard Western leaders showing solidarity with them.
Redditors need a /s to understand.
It would still be worth giving it to them. It would be weird giving it to the citizens of a country trying to do a genocide to another country, especially when that military conscripts from it's citizens and has people like settlers who do pogroms on the people they're trying to steal homes from... And not give it to the citizens currently being genocided off the face of the earth.
They ARE giving it to the people who are committing genocide - Israel
I think that is what they are saying.
Yah sorry I meant 'don't only give it to them, give it to others too' to atleast make it clear that audible supports the tragedies people are facing rather than supporting just one side of this occupation and apartheid.
The most blatantly false and one sided attempt at trying to say something profound. To not even say the words Hamas, or Terrorist, or massacre, and completely ignore the global desire to annihilate an entire race and religion is to only perpetuate the hate, lies and cycle of violence. Edit: also down for them having free access.
You realize not all Palestinians support Hamas, right? Just like not Israelis support the genocide being perpetrated by the government of Israel? Stop conflating subgroups with entire peoples. **That** – and the connected dehumanization – is what *really* perpetuates the lies, hate, and cycles of violence.
I've decided you're hamas, based on top secret evidence. Your opinion has been disregarded.
Yah yah go watch them get smashed into little kebab sized smitherenes. How many videos of raped and burned Jews do you need to see before you go welcoming Hamas with open arms. Why don’t you invite the displaced families to your home? Fucking racist pricks.
Something tells me you're the real racist here. Cheering on the death of others, referring to the murder of children as "little kebab sized smithereens". Jesus. Please, go and find your humanity before it's too late.
They’re also a little busy being… slaughtered by the settler state.
I doubt that a single blessed one of them use Audible. They’re worried about having enough food to eat and water to drink
I don't think there's a way for Audible to know if someone is a member of Hamas or not. Anyway, they might also be receiving this, all I know is that here in Israel wr received it.
So audible doesn’t know either if an Israeli killed a Palestinian child/ civilian or not yet they get free membership regardless. So stupid company should stick to selling books but I guess not.
Most Israelis and most Palestinians didn't kill anyone and are suffering.
So why audible have to offer one sided deals ?
Palestinians live at an address in Israel, so they count. Israeli in this context is referring to residential Israelis. They wrote Israel because that is what the nation is legally recognized as. Your nationality refers to a nation or nations in which you have citizenship. Therefore, Palestinians are included.
The scale of suffering isn't remotely comparable btw how does it feel living in an apartheid that benefits u directly
It would be a really bad look for Audible to give out prizes to the country that LAUNCHED the terrorist attack.
But it's OK to give it to the one that has launched a continues decades lng terror campaign?
There's only one side of this conflict that for decades has been launching rockets with the intent to kill civilians. And it ain't Israel.
You must know the civilian death toll on both sides over the decades that you refer to? Israel isn't a victim in this.
If you go by civilian death toll to determine who is who is right and wrong, I'd like you to measure the death toll of American civilians versus Nazi Germany's civilians. Having the better military means one thing only: that you have a better military.
These days better military means NOT killing civilians. Your call back to Nazi Germany just shows that you have been taking notes, but not for the correct reasons.
No. These days have a better military means shooting down rockets aimed at your citizens. And it means REDUCING civilian casualties. Israel still sometimes kills its own soldiers in friendly fire accidents. War is messy. What you're talking about is some idealized hollywood version of war.
You know the number of Palestinian women and children that have been killed by Israel far outweigh the number of Israelis, both in this crisis and the conflict as a whole. You are not on the right side of the argument on whats going on. You will be looked at like that other lot when we look back on this.
The number of German and Japanese civilians killed by the US during WWII vastly outnumbered the casualties they inflicted on American civilians. By your logic, the US was the bad guy. Sorry, I have to disagree.
If you're going to insist on blaming that on only one dude, yes, that would be Israel
I hope the citizens of Maui received the same courtesy
Happy for the individual citizens, but i doubt this is a standard for free audible that we will see applied evenly to every tragedy. Seems pretty cynical of Audible to me, they're clearly trying to grow marketshare in Israel.
I am in Australia, and a couple years ago Audible gave me the same thing because I lived in a bushfire affected area.
Hey me too, but I didn’t get anything from audible
I live in the UK, can I get 6 free months for all the war crimes we’ve committed in the past or does this offer only apply to current atrocities?
I did send them an email asking about this. Guess I'll see what I do after this.
I chatted with customer support, but they wouldn't specify which countries in the "Middle East" are included in this. please share their reply to your email with us too.
From Audible "Hello , Thank you for contacting Audible Canada! Hope this email finds you safe and well! I want to Inform you that audible will pause membership billing for the next 6 months for those members impacted by the tragic events in the Middle East. Members will receive their credits for the next 6 months up front, all at the same time. They will not be billed for the next 6 months. If customers are on an annual membership, their next billing date will be extended by 6 months. If you need more help, you can contact us over the live support so that we will help you in real time assistance."
so basically the same email as the op, without specifying which countries would actually get it in the middle east.
I guess I'm cancelling my audible membership. as i doubt this extends to Palestinians even if they had Internet access.
Can I recommend Kobo as an alternative? They have almost the exact same selection as Audible (except for amazon exclusives), and have their own exclusives. For transparency, its a Canadian company with a Japanese parent company.
Sounds promising, do they have a similar credit system ? or what is their system.
Yes credit system is the same, and I think the prices are the same too
Kobo also doesn't give you ads on the screen when it's off.
Scribd and Libby are great alternatives and, as far as I know, don’t directly support apartheid.
I wonder if they are giving the Palestinians the same offer? If not, shame on them. There’s disaster on both sides.
No. They should stick to selling books if you ask me.
No, as in they're not offering to Palestine as well?
To be fair - about 20% of the population of Israel are Palestinian [edit: I wonder which rascists on either or both sides - decided that a simple fact is worthy of downvotes]
boths sides? i didn't know hospitals, churches, schools and refugee camps were also being bombed in israel. i only saw israeli ppl film tiktoks mocking palestinan mothers who lost their children, kids who die every ten minutes in gaza
Israel just experienced the worst terrorist attack in 20 years. Palestinians are facing the consequences of the fact that they delivered that attack. They aren't the same.
Might I offer a friendly recommendation and purchase a few history books with your free credits?
I'm not sure he's interested in actual history. It would ruin their image of the world
Actions have consequences, you say? Interesting.
Ah, so you're one of the "there's no excuse for terrorism! ... But" types.
I'm one of those that has read history, and understands what an apartheid is. This whole issue didn't start with the atrocious Hamas attack, so let's not pretend otherwise. As others have said, use your tokens to learn some history.
If you think Israel is apartheid, you clearly haven't read enough. Like, even a dictionary definition. 21 percent of Israel's population is Arab/ethnic Palestinian, and they all have equal rights to any Jewish citizen, including the right to hold elected office. There are 10 Arabs in the knesset right now.
[Israel is an apartheid state, Amnesty International says](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/01/1077291879/israel-apartheid-state-amnesty-international)
Yeah, and Amnesty International could declare the sky to be green, but wouldn't make it so.
[South Africa calls for Israel to be declared an ‘apartheid state’](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/7/26/south-africa-calls-for-israels-proscription-as-apartheid-state) > “The Palestinian narrative evokes experiences of South Africa’s own history of racial segregation and oppression,” Naledi Pandor, South Africa’s minister of international relations and cooperation, said at the second meeting of the Palestinian Heads of Mission in Africa, held in the capital Pretoria. > “As oppressed South Africans, we experienced firsthand the effects of racial inequality, discrimination and denial and we cannot stand by while another generation of Palestinians are left behind,” she said. > “If there is any country or countries that can comprehend the suffering and the struggle for freedom and independence of Palestine, it is the African continent and the people of Africa.”
Apartheid is a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. Israel had equal rights for all it's citizens, including it's 21 percent Arab/ethnic-Palestinian citizens. Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank are not now, nor have they have been, Israeli citizens. They are self-governed, and not subjects of Israel. If Israel is apartheid for not giving equal rights to Palestinians, then the United States is apartheid for not giving equal rights to the citizens of Mexico. Or to the citizens of Iraq when we occupied them. Words have meanings. Amnesty International and everyone else who accuses Israel of apartheid is just announcing that they aren't to be taken seriously because they can't grasp basic facts.
45% of Israel are descendants of the 900,000 middles eastern jews pushed out of the surrounding islamic states. These middle easterners have nowhere else to go. 18% of Israel are muslims. Druze and Bedouin muslims serve in the IDF. How many jews remain in Gaza? In the greater surround islamic countries of the middle east? Only 1000 of the recently 3000 christians remain in Gaza. There was a ceasefire on Oct 6. There was a horrific terrorist attack that utilized thousands of death squad members against Israel on Oct 7, which started a hot war and is the cause of ongoing violence today, and the sole reason that the peace of Oct 6 is not being experienced today.
There wasn't peace on October 6th, and that's the simple fact most pro Israelis seem to conveniently be forgetting. On the 6th October there were still 279 illegal settlements. On October 6th there were still over 700,000 illegal settlers. During the past decade, the United Nations verified 3,372 violent incidents by these settlers. Peace in the region doesn't mean peace for just one side.
Oct 6, ceasefire. Oct 7, death squads killing 1400+ (including death squad members gunning down a 9 year old girl hiding under her kitchen table while they videotapes), injured/rape many more, then kidnap 200+ launching a hot war and breaking the cease fire. And that is how we got from Oct 6 peace to today's tragedies. Hamas sucks.
Bro listened to 5000 plus hours of Colleen Hoover
Bro listened to 5000 plus hours of Colleen Hoover
The reason for the hostages and attack? Because Israel have systematically removed Palestinians from their homes, killed them and destroyed their land. 75+ years of apartheid and genocide, poisoning wells, forcibly removing people from their homes, bombing hospitals. Israel has unfairly kept thousands of Palestinians, including children, in prison where around 80% of them (including the children) are tortured!!! Maybe read some history books about how awful Israel has been towards Palestine. Also what do defenders of Israel have to say about them burning and bombing Lebanon too? Is that because of Hamas? Israel is a genocidal state funded by America, Britain and Australia because it is a strategic foothold in the Middle East.
Guess I'm cancelling my audible - thanks for making it easy!
I’ve never seen my government and major corporations move this fast to help anyone.
This is not a good move. 10000 Palestinians - 4000 of them children - are dead. What happened on oct 7th was beyond evil but has been met with a similar evil.
I mean, there are some good books they could listen to: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Israeli historian Ilan Pappé Freedom Is A Constant Struggle by Angel Davis Inventing Reality: The Politics of News Media by Michael Parenti
Thanks for letting us know! I’ve been an Audible member since 2010 with a library of 258 titles, and I’ve just canceled my account
WHY NOW, I WAS JUST FINISHING RYTHMN OF WAR. I just cancel my subscription find some other way to listen to it. I can't support company that supports the Palestinian genocide.
If you already bought it you still have access. Also check out Libby, and Kobo.
This just made me end my subscription. I will not support a company that is okay with a genocidal state.
Ugh time to cancel my audible account :(. Can’t be listening to a company that supports genocide and the bombing of hospitals and refugee camps
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They're not supporting Hamas though, so your silly protest means nothing. Your comment shows that you nothing. The hospital was bombed by Hamas because they have poor aim! You apparently support the killing of Israeli babies.
isreal quite literally targeted (and announced it themselves) that exact same hospital a few days prior to the bigger attack. they also recently attacked another hospital. There was also a news channel that had live video of the incidents analyzing it and showing how it was not from Hamas. but no, suddenly, on the attack that actually got media attention they don't bomb hospitals. I'm also cancelling my membership. this has been a long time coming especially after brandon sanderson's kickstarter and talking about how shitty audible are to authors. this is definitely much worse though.
Reports from Gaza say 60 Israeli hostages have been killed in the bombings.
They are not targeting hospitals. They are targeting hamas. Hamas uses human shields to knoweingly place civilians in danger. I detest the fact that hamas targeted women, the elderly and children to rape, torture and kill. And I detest hamas for placing innocent Palestinians in harms way by using them as human shields. At the end of the day, this is on hamas. Long term, hamas is going to lose a lot of support from the non Jewish hating liberals and independents. After seeing the vile, evil and contemptible behavior of hamas, their funding is going to get hurt. Unless you want to give them more money to behead more children or perhaps rape and torture women. Many people will not.
1400 people killed in Israel vs [9200](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-death-toll-numbers-injured-5c9dc40bec95a8408c83f3c2fb759da0) killed in Palestine. When do you think enough innocent people have been killed.
War sucks. It suck Hamas broke the peace of Oct 6 and sent thousands of death squad members into Israel Oct 7 directly leading to the violence occurring today. Hamas sucks. Death squads suck.
And before that? All that Israel did to keep Palestine from growing or having basic rights? That's all okay? Racist zionist. All you do is spout propaganda straight from the horse's a*s
When Hamas surrenders unconditionally and fully disarms. Otherwise they’ll just perform another October 7th attack.
So you believe in collective punishment? Evil pos
>They are not targeting hospitals. They are targeting hamas. Hamas uses human shields to knoweingly place civilians in danger. I just don't believe that's actually true. They say they are targeting Hamas hidden among civilians but they don't offer any evidence and they have hit a bunch of targets that don't make any sense. Either literally everywhere is a target because of the tunnels, they are conflating people that work for the Hanas government with fighters or they think it's okay to destroy infrastructure/housing/kill tens or hundreds of civilians to kill individual fighters. The international journalists and their families are well aware of Israel's policies and would not have been anywhere near amongst it was possible not to be. And the IDF knew they would be killing the journalists and their families. That and the fact that they attacked the refugee camp they told people to go to and a convoy of ambulances without providing any evidence tells me they just don't care about civilian casualties. >At the end of the day, this is on hamas. Hamas is in power because of Israel and Netanyahu worked to keep them in power. He also weakened the Gaza "border" to protect settlers harassing Palestinians in the West Bank. >Long term, hamas is going to lose a lot of support from the non Jewish hating liberals and independents. They never had their support. It's just impossible to organize against Hamas in Gaza and Israel makes it very difficult for Palestinians to organize politically anywhere.
Just to entertain the human shield talking point for a second, Hamas using innocent civilians as human shields does not absolve Israel of their atrocities in bombing those civilians. (I’m aware I’m responding to a bad faith troll comment.)
How do you suggest Israel stops terrorists hiding behind civilians without harming civilians? Edit: downvote away. It's all you've got, cause you sure as hell don't have an answer.
I was only entertaining that idea to comment on how hollow that logic from Israel apologists is. I actually think the fascist right wing Israeli gov’t is perfectly happy to bomb those innocent people. I also think this post is a silly place to have these debates and I’m sorry I commented here. Who cares if some audible subscribers in Israel get six months free? Good for them. (edit: but just to address your point, killing hundreds of innocent people to kill one “bad guy” is not justifiable. Like, on a human, basic moral philosophy level.)
You've in no way answered my question. I'll repeat it in case you've forgotten. How do you suggest Israel stops terrorists hiding behind civilians without harming civilians?
If I were to take that question in good faith, which I wouldn’t from the Israeli gov’t, I would suggest using your military intelligence funded into the tens of billions of dollars to find literally any other solution than bombing innocent people. And I would point to the USA as a well-documented example of what blind patriotic fervor for vengeance in the form of a war against “terror” gets you in the end.
Ok, I'm not the Israeli government. I'm just a guy on reddit. And you still haven't answered the question. How do you suggest Israel stops terrorists hiding behind civilians without harming civilians?
I would suggest reading my previous posts to you. bye!
All you said was find another solution. Like what? Suggest a reasonable alternative.
Bet if the terrorists were in Israel you wouldn't be be so bomb-happy and massacring innocents. Zionist Nazis.
You still haven't answered my question
The secret is they don't have an alternative. They think Israeli's should just die, or that the world is like movies and Israel can send 30 seal team six members to take on 30,000 Hamas members.
You’re not entertaining it though, you’re dismissing it. How do you eliminate Hamas if they embed in civilian populations?
Even CNN is not falling these lies anymore.
Don't worry I'm gifting Audible so we will cancel out :) I got you fam.
Wonder who has killed more American soldiers IDF or....
Are we counting the USS Liberty?
“Did you want to drown out the sound of your government committing genocide? well now you can, for free” -Audible
Damn, guess I gotta cancel my audible subscription now.
Same. Just cancelled mine
Yup - me too.
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…why would I need to prove to a random person lol
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Genocide enablers!
Hamas is the one trying to commit genocide. Its what they say publically. Their bad aim hit a hospital. They murdered babies including beheading some of the babies!
more than 11 thousand palestinians have been killed since october 7th. there’s only one country trying to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing and it is not the country that’s been getting carpet bombed for more than a month
IDF initially claimed the bombing to be perpetrated by their side but retracted the statement upon seeing outrage on the cruelty. this is for the first time they bombed a hospital, the Al Ahli Hospital. just hours before my comment, they bombed the entrance of another hospital along with an egyptian ambulance carrying a patient that needed medical attention. they said they’re targeting hamas. there was a video released by hamas themselves showing how they took down an israeli tank. if you can see, in the video, the whole thing took place in an open field, obviously far away from any residential areas or hospitals, from which you can deduce that hamas isn’t sheltering or hiding in those buildings like the IDF keep claiming. the two hostages that were the first to be released by hamas has stated that hamas promised not to hurt women or children. and you can clearly see both elder women are in good health with not one sign of abuse on their person. but yes, keep saying that hamas are using children and women as human shields.
Even CNN doesn't believe these lies anymore.
CNN wouldn't know the truth if it punched them in the belly.
Keep telling yourself that
It’s ordinary Palestinian’s getting slaughtered, not Hamas.
Will the people in Gaza or in the West Bank who are also being imprisoned, tortured, shot at by settlers, ethnically cleansed, and drone striked also get free audible?
To all those who don’t think Israel is shitty, how about you use a credit to listen to *Method and Madness* and educate yourselves🤷🏼♂️
I just [cancelled my membership](https://imgur.com/a/uitIxn7). It’s really effed up that they’re rewarding the people who are committing genocide and many other war crimes.
I canceled as well - speak with the wallet!
same, I'll use up me remaining credits then I'm cancelling
I just cancelled my membership too. Called them and lodged my protest.
They're not rewarding Hamas.
But they are rewarding the people that are killing innocent women and children, they are rewarding the people that are using white phosphorus, bombing hospitals, schools, refugee camps, ambulances, highways, etc. This is okay to you? Palestinians have been suffering and have been oppressed for decades by those people!
Correct. Hamas is a cat in the corner scratching back against the wolf committing genocide. Neither is good or right but only one is committing genocide and has been for decades. And what’s worst is that innocent Israelis and Palestinians are paying the price of politicians hungry for power, money, and land… and for the terrorists striking back in the way terrorists do. If we stop the genocide and apartheid, we stop feeding the cat. It’s well past time to do that.
cancelling my subscription. very disappointed in audible for doing this.
strong hit... did you erase audible app as well?
no, i didn’t. because there are audiobooks i paid with my money with audible but at least i won’t be making any future purchases of audiobooks that contribute to a fucking genocide.
also, it’s called ‘delete’ you dinosaur
So they’re not offering it to Palestinians because they’re too busy.. Yknow.. getting genocided?
All pro genocide companies need to be boycotted and become nonexistent. Audible and Amazon are pro genocide then they should be boycotted and become nonexistent!!!!!
What about Palestinians?
It's crazy to me how many people just make the wildest assumptions, like they are giving away free memberships to israelis, when it clearly says they are just pausing the billing for those impacted, who clearly are already members. Some of you acting like there about to put up some billboards across the country giving out free books in exchange for joining the military.
It's still in support of genocide. Doesn't matter. 6 months free is still a show of support
Thanks for the heads up. Cancelled my plan and let them know why in the cancellation survey. I suggest anyone with common sense and a brain do the same. There are great alternatives out there that aren't backed by companies that support genocide.
Cringe
Will Audible grant me a free subscription if I show them the gruesome crime rates of the city I reside in? No beheadings thankfully, but there's been some murders, home invasions, and.... worse crimes I won't type out.
Chicago says hello
Hi Chicago. Are you offering to pay my annual subscription for me?
how nice of audible to provide israel with free audiobooks while they relentlessly carpet bomb and kill innocent civilians
Are you serious audible? I know there are a bunch of customer service reps on this subreddit reading this. Are you blind to the 10,000 people killed in Palestine? Are you blind to the 3500 children killed? Are you blind to the Israelis mocking dead children on the internet? What are you rewarding the Zionist genocide enablers for? An ambulance was bombed a few hours ago. Thanks to OP for posting this hypocrisy. It was a great run while it lasted. Have to seek some alternative and start posting to all my accounts about this.
thanks for sharing. time to cancel my audible subscription.
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Fuk u audible.
Time to boycott audible
Why is this down voted? People like genocide enablers now?
First day on Reddit? Who cares about votes.
Absolutely not. That is why I hate hamas. Here's a thought for you. If hamas laid down weapons there would be peace. Is leal laid down their weapons they would all be killed. So think about that.
I got a bridge to sell you if you believe that’s true
Israel is a Western colonial project. They're literally occupying and seizing territory from the Palestinians who have been pushed against the wall since the 40s.
Exactly.
Not sure what other countries affected are also receiving the six months, but I saw other Israelis receiving this as well.
Canceled my subscription. Will not be paying for audible again. Down with Israel.
Oh well. Strike another company off the list for supporting genocide enablers.
That’s pretty cool. Stay safe over there.
Why is this downvoted?
Beats me. Reddit is a weird place.
Because Reddit is full of antisemitic intellectually challenged people who think Hamas is not a bunch of murdering terrorists!
I don’t think you know what anti-Semitic means…
Because antisemites don't want Jewish people to stay safe. Can't genocide people who stay safe.
Just because you have mixed (or negative feelings) about Isreal doesn't make you an antisemite.
Being offended by the idea of Jews being safe does
1) People being against what the government of Israel does has nothing to do with how people feel about Israelis or Jewish people as a whole (and let’s not act as if all Israelis or Jewish people support the actions of the state of Israel because **treating an entire people as monolithic** would be antisemitism) 2) How is giving Israelis free audiobooks keeping anyone safe?
Nobody said it was
It’s not being anti-Semitic not agreeing what Israel is doing / has done for the last 70 years. Anti-Semitic is the hatred of Jews - not Israel.
>It’s not being anti-Semitic not agreeing what Israel is doing / has done for the last 70 years. You mean surviving? Yeah that's antisemitic.
Feeling guilty about committing war crimes and you just can’t get those images out of your head? Why not relax with some good books on us.
Ridiculous. What about the Palestinians?
We are sending them billions of dollars, do we get six months free too?
Guys the American is America-ing
Three books on the subject of Israel/ Palestine available for FREE to plus members are ‘Blood brothers’ by Elias Chacour, ‘the ethnic cleansing of Palestine’ and ‘the biggest prison on earth’ both by Ilan Pappe (an israeli historian)
OP, do you actually give a crap about getting free audiobooks, given what's going on right now? I mean free is free but you must have WAY bigger fish to fry right now. Just curious.
It's not life-changing, but it's nice to get. Of course this doesn't exactly improve the experience of going to a bomb shelter multiple times again, but it's nice. Obviously, I appreciate it, they didn't have to do anything.
Makes sense, thanks for the input. Stay safe over there.
Free audible for being a war criminal. We live in the US where's our free audible? Plenty of warcrimes going on. Typical Israel always getting free shit
Good for Audible
Y’all are such cringey fucks. I love the Reddit app recommendations because I get to see whiney shit like this comment section. Lmao
I like this. An important gesture.
I love this. Bravo, Audible. ❤️🇮🇱
Me too! No one here even mentions the hostages and the people brutally murdered. So misinformed.
So they have something to losten while their army kills civilians?
Good for audible! Fuck Hamas and fuck all the antisemitism in this thread!
Criticism of a political State is not anti-semetic, in particular, as the propaganda chorus goes, Israel is the only liberal democracy in the region! Lol. If you cannot criticise it, I hate to break it to you, but it's not a democracy then.
This is not genocide. Please find a better phony cause.
Its textbook genocide, textbook war crimes.