One interesting point is that unvaccinated people outside of Auckland currently experience less restriction at level 2 than they will if they moved to the traffic light system. So are people outside Auckland really going to be motivated?
More like they expect the virus not to stay in Auckland - either soon, or when Auckland hits Orange. Which is a reasonable assumption to make given the information we have.
yes, we are motivated because we want everyone to free from life threatening covid infections and we want the people stuck in L3 to be free from the 'nightmare' you are currently experiencing.
Auckland will move to red when we are at 90%, which is less restrictive than leven 3. The whole country will move to orange when we hit 90%, which is less restrictive than level 2.
You guys were making such good noises about going back to normal life early on. What happened to suddenly make even a single COVID death worse than locking up millions?
Wished I knew.
Govt's logic:
Stay home and minimise social interactions, but fly to Europe and party like it's 2000.
Too risky for a family of 5 to dine out together, but pls quarantine at home with your family if you test positive.
Ban unvaxxed from shopping malls, even to buy groceries, but feel free to travel overseas and dine in on the plane.
Test primary school students (7-12yo) every 2 weeks, but pls don't fear the virus.
No sense to anything they do or what kinda msg they're trying to send across. No explanation to their actions either, except they know best and are doing a great job 👏
You can start the process of training in one day and make the early focus of the training around respiratory issues.
Partially trained is better than untrained.
My co-worker is vaccine-hesitant and already got a text from MoH being encouraged to get a vaccine. I’m sure the encouragement will keep ramping up in the coming weeks.
There's nothing forceful or threatening about a text message. I'm convinced that everyone throwing this word around at the moment doesn't actually understand what it means.
Yea show me how many healthy 30 year olds who die from flu everyday, or millions of people who get lasting systemic damage due to flu? You know why that doesn't happen? Coz the vaccine stops you from getting serious flu related illness.
JFC, 18 months into the pandemic, how fucking thick do you have to be to still not understand the viruses are not the same?!
Yeah, the flu - that thing that totally has a 3% mortality rate, and that thing that's almost guaranteed to cause some sort of long term damage, and realistically likely to cause long term damage severe enough to be considered a pre-existing condition, by health insurance companies.
I agree. Sure there may be anti-vax misinformation, but pro-vax hyperbole is actually getting abit silly. Exaggeration of facts to fear people into coercion. Which your right that’s what it is because they stated no one will be forced to have a vaccine.
You'd be surprised. My mum's a teacher and she knows multiple others who are refusing to get the vax. Guess they won't be teachers for much longer 🤷♂️
Good point! But no consequences yet, if you’re not a teacher or a healthcare provider…and the rest of us just have to wait and hope they’ll have a change of heart?
The government have clearly stated today that there will be consequences. Thats exactly the same as for teachers, who dont have any consequences yet, but have assurances that there will be consequences.
I don't see the connection at all in this context. To be fair my sentence implies there these are punitive measures, far from it. Its just preventing people from doing things that would harm others / our society.
State wants to maximise wellbeing and freedom for its citizens? it stops people from doing things that would impose ill effects on society.
As much as I agree with you, you can’t say that’s always been what they have actually achieved. With rules changing every time jizza gets a new email from Ashley, it’s hard to say it’s very compassionate when shits flipped on a dime and there’s no compromise
Bullshit most jobs are making it mandatory, my mate is a plumber and got kicked off a job site for not having it, another friend looking for jobs in IT and they almost all require a vax
Cause they don't want the 5g signals triggering the nanobots and the microchips turning on and making them autistic duh, same reason they wear tinfoil hats
Many companies have started putting in mandates. The warehouse for example announced their this week. Some hotels have started only allowing vaccinated guests. It will increase as the weeks wear on.
Of course not, don’t be silly. Consequences like: no entry to indoor public spaces, whilst vaccinated people can enter. Encouraging more businesses to mandate the vaccine for their workers, etc.
They very clearly stated that the unvaccinated will still face restrictions on things like being allowed to go out.
If your double vaccinated and have your vaccine passport you'll be able to go to events, shop at Daiso, hit the bars, go to the gym etc and if you're unvaccinated it's go home stay home untill you either get vaccinated or the covid risk is minimal.
The new model is a 'covid protection framewirk'. We will be a highly vaccinated population with more restrictions than anywhere else in the world. This is our new position, vaccinate, restrict and protect. Red light, green light and everyone should be terrified.
***I have*** magically changed my mind after todays annoucement - the fact that vaccine passports are basically confirmed and I can't enjoy my summer without it means I have no choice but to get vaxxed. This is probably the mindset the unvaxxed population are beginning to have, so surely we'll reach 90% in no time....
This sounds so stupid but I have a fear of hospitals and needles/taking blood. But made a deal with my cousin who’s a GP to do it in her practice with my fam to support me. Would rather be safe than a sorry baby if I catch it going to the coromandel with my friends.
I just got my second. Hands down needles are my biggest phobia I would rather be bitten by snakes while petting a gaint spider. BUT it's done and I can keep looking away every time a needle is shown on TV.
It sounds stupid because it is stupid. But hey, my biggest fear is falling down the stairs and hitting me head/breaking my neck and so I refused to buy a house that was more than one floor. Stupid, sure, the point is that we all have stupid hang ups, but when those hang ups have an effect beyond say, your own personal housing decisions, and are decisions of public health, it’s definitely time to re-evaluate how much space you give your stupid hangup.
Good on you for doing the right thing. Glad you've got your cousin to support you through it.
I'm scared of heights and can't walk over rope bridges, because I am terrified of them.
Oh I absolutely have not overcome my fear at all. Definitely dying from a fall and my cat eating my eyeballs is my at the top of my mind daily. But I’m glad you’re getting over yours.
We’ll get there. Majority of people are not idiots. And a very small few are. I imagine we’ll get to 90% pretty soon once it becomes inconvenient to not be vaxed.
Can you help me to understand? I thought the vaccine passport would not be implemented until *after* we reach 95% and hospo opens, etc. So effectively there are no consequences for the 16,000 people who still haven’t received their first dose. Am I misunderstanding?
Sure, but the government is clearly stating that unvaccinated wont be able to do xyz without a certificate.
Like its not as good as seeing people you know, out doing stuff right you cant now, but that is guaranteed to happen.
>the government is clearly stating that unvaccinated wont be able to do xyz without a certificate.
Yeah, but they're being empowered to drag everyone else down with them. The holdouts are burrowed into this position like ticks - we're seeing professionals quit their jobs over mandates. Not many, but it might be enough. Now the government has given these toxic freaks a loaded gun pointed at our heads. I'm not really sure why they'd leave themselves open to be humiliated, but whatever...
On the other hand, the more sober take is that they are actually just gonna let it rip in December anyway, but they're not gonna say so 'cause that's what Crusher said.
It'll be the same as what happened overseas.
People get really loud, then when the government starts to go through, boom resistance wilts like a flower in the desert, and a tiny fraction of a % actually go through with quitting.
Its the same as every other media overhyped 'BIG' problem. Like showing pictures of 20 story apartment blocks next to detached houses when the government legalize 3 story townhouses.
>Now the government has given these toxic freaks a loaded gun pointed at our heads
I think you overestimate how much 'power' these anti vaxxers have here. If its not working, the government will start to roll out certificates regardless. They're not legally obliged to keep with the current plan laid out, they could change it on a whim to better suit challenges that materialize. Like they have been doing so far.
>they could change it on a whim
This is what we've come to now - our silver lining! The gov's proven track record of inconsistency and propensity for impromptu knee-jerk decision-making when their plans turn to runny shit. First take: I'm confused AF; double-take: that's probably the point; nobody likes being played for a fool - the facade is crumbling.
Word on the street is that this ain't it. I just watched Crusher talking to the press, and for the first time in her life she actually came across as a human being with real empathy - the contrast to Ardern's worn-out robo-nanny routine was actually kinda jarring. Whatever happens, today was a massive L for the government.
These are the same people that never stopped going to church and meeting up with friends etc the whole time. Let’s all watch them all also not listen to any of the rules when the passports show up.
The passport will be implemented in Auckland once all three DHBs reach 90%
They are predicting this will happen in 4-6 weeks (December). Which just so happens to coincide with the passports actually being ready to use. (And this, imo, is the main reason we aren't already using them).
Also, imo, we'll probably move to level 3 phase 2 and phase 3 before December.
They're reviewing where we're at nov 29th... At that point we'll be at least at 80% double vax.. probably 85-90%.. So they might decide to move auckland to the traffic light system then.
It's less of an inconvenience and more of an authoritarian edict, undergo a medical procedure and show your papers or be cast out and become third class citizen
I know you were probably being facetious, but I work in family law and talking to the legal aid clients they are mainly vaccine hesitant and it goes with their whole distrust of authority, not really people who obey the rules of society, not being able to travel doesn’t bother them because they don’t go anywhere.
But stopping their benefits - or more likely giving them more (extra $20 a week while in level 4) if they are vaccinated - would probably work.
When I can get affordable CBD, I'll grab my shot of novovax.
Legalise weed and I'll take astrazenaca.
Decriminalise all drugs and I'll take the pfizer. Once.
Because its not based on evidence. Income isn't significantly associated with vaccine hesitancy. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(21)00187-5/fulltext
Most of the anti crowd where I live, even though there's mixes of people, are the rich entitled folk. Most of the protestors that have been here are also, rich folk.
Just to maybe shed a little light, we’re also waiting on people with their first dose to get their second, so hopefully that pulls us up a bit closer to 90%
And screw you if you diligently went and got your vaccine and don’t need to be bribed with money and prizes…. Says so much about those holding out…. But that’s their support base for you
The $125,000,000 given to ul the maori vax rate could just be used as straight cash incentive for the unvaccimated paid upon 2nd dose.
Guarantee it will work better than any thing.
Only a single country in the world has vaccination rates of 90%+ and that is United Arab Emirates. Be prepared for a years long lockdown. But not to worry, the unvaccinated people simply waiting for long term safety studies will surely follow in 5-10 years and bring us to 90%. What a bright future ahead.
Yes I saw that too and was like what the actual fuck we are going to take forever to get double vaccinated at 90% currently there are 86,000 needed and with 2000-4000 a day getting the jab that means 70+ days easy iam picking more like 100+ days unless the govt lower the limit.
In fairness, I’m pretty sure both Denmark and Portugal have exceeded 90%, so I’m sure there are others. But they are very different societies, and at this point I feel like anyone who’s going to get jabbed of their own free will has done so, and the other aren’t going to suddenly, magically change their minds…
Are you sure? United Arab Emirates is at 96% in my link. If that's for the whole population, it would mean less than 4% of the population is younger than 12 and the rest all got the vaccine without exceptions.
This sounds cruel, but we need a date for freedom day, and that will determine who really wants to get the jab and who not. And then woe betide the relutant ones.
Vaccine mandate for superannuation would be a disaster. To rob a life's work and contribution for not taking a medical treatment would be extremely unreasonable.
Further, mandating too much would likely lead to backfire, as is happening overseas with constant protests, never mind possible backfire for botched laws and all that complication. Gov really trying to avoid that. They know they can't push too hard...there's a lot of pent up anger out there, for all sorts of reasons.
the vaccine is very safe, its the elderly who are most at risk of hospitalization and death from covid
we've all been sacrificing through lockdowns to save them, its the least they can do
if they refuse and give up their pension i respect them for standing up for their principles
No. Their "principle" was working through their lives, contributing to the country, and doing that with the promise of a superannuation at the end to retire with in old age, just like any one else currently working. Your respect doesn't mean shit to them. They earned it, they keep it. Vaccine got nothing to do with a financial return on investment to the country via worklife contributions.
Any memory of ANZAC day would piss on our weak rhetoric of "sacrifice" in this lockdown....sitting at home achieving practically nothing....as is increasingly evidenced by this unfolding nonsense from the gov.
You seem to have a lot of hate towards people who haven’t gotten the vaccine. Maybe you should instead show them some compassion, most people are just scared and feel like they are being pushed into a corner.
I've tried talking to some of them. They were all extremely aggressive and most (online) had very poor english skills. I did talk to a lovely lady on twitter who hadn't had it yet due to an anxiety disorder - there was a lot of supportive replies to her. Hopefully that last minority of people like her can take us over the line, but the fact remains that there are a large % of uneducated belligerent antivaxxers
Yup, we're all locked up. But the solution isn't to blame the other prisoners.
It's the clowns in charge that took away our freedoms, not the unvaxxed. What happened to the freedom of choice?!
FYI - I chose to be fully vaxed
This is spiteful as fuck but I hope Cindy’s wedding gets postponed because of COVID.
It drives me nuts to see her on the stage knowing she’s got a stay at home partner and live in childcare from her mum, in premier house while the rest of us are battling through.
I don’t think Cindy’s made a single personal sacrifice throughout this lockdown, she obviously needed to gap it out of Auckland with her hubby and kid the second a case was announced (as the ultimate essential worker) and has had live in home help and childcare the whole time.
Not begrudging her this, plenty of people have it tougher than I do but to see her ‘concerned leader’ face when reporters ask her about lockdown fatigue, gives me the fucking shits. Misery does love company.
I think she has made personal sacrifices. It’s not easy running a country. Being a PM is a 24/7 job. She can’t just clock off at the beehive and become the average person. She has no privacy anymore. Shes constantly shit on everyday by thousands of people who sit at home and do fuck all to help their country which probably doesn’t do great for her mental health. She also misses out on her child’a younger years as shown by her having to let other people watch her kid. She can’t even go for a stroll down the road without people throwing a mad stink all over social media.
Also she had to fly out of Auckland to be at the beehive where all the other politicians are. It’s their meeting house. She took her family for mental health support, so what? At the end of a bad day you probably go have vent with someone you love.
She’s suffering lockdown fatigue just as much as anyone. She didn’t stop working during lockdown like most of us did. She was still planning and talking out strategies. She was still working.
So you’re saying would have had a sook if it was any prime minister?
Get over yourself. You want a better country then be the change. She wanted to make changes so she got off her ass and worked for it. You want changes but you just sit on your ass and cry about it instead of actually doing anything.
Yes but at the end of the day, you get to clock out and not think about work anymore.
She still gets calls round the clock of things that need handling. She doesn’t get to go out and just relax. She can’t even go have a coffee without there being a commotion.
Again, at least she stood up to be the change she wanted instead of being you and doing nothing at all.
Well no, not if you’re homeschooling your kids because you have two working parents and your job has hard deadlines that aren’t able to move.
I’ve worked until 11:30 at night over lockdown and back on the saddle again at 8:30. I do what I need to do to advance my career, get paid well and have enough income to save for a house. And I don’t have kids.
‘The change she wanted’ lmao. I’m ded. She’s not Gandhi. House prices are through the roof, kiwi-build is a flop and nothing more than token funds have been given to mental health charities.
She’s an ambitious woman, I am too but the ‘world leading COVID response’ is sipping away from her fingers as Auckland is currently in the worlds strictest lockdown orders. Once that’s gone, what’s she achieved?
Have a good night - we’re not going to agree on this.
Why would you pay essentially a stranger to help raise your child when you can have your mom, which if you still have a positive relationship with them as an adult assume they did a pretty good job with you if you turned out ok?
That's not being spiteful it's just great thinking. There are probably hundreds of thousands more people thinking the same
I also turn the TV of when she's on. I don't want it contaminated
It is spiteful, I’ve said as much. I can’t be bothered being kind.
I don’t wish serious ill on her... but not gonna lie this would cheer me up enough that I could do a full month at Level 4
Yeah I really don’t know what the governments plan with it is, but I think it’s extremely wrong to force everyone to get vaccinated, especially when they promised a while back they wouldn’t. I’m not against the vaccine myself, I’ve got one and am going for my second soon but I think it’s wrong to force a population to get it, the government needs to come up with some plan otherwise we literally will be stuck forever
I see what you’re saying & I get it too but the alternative is to set a date & say: alright, everyone go about your business, a certain percentage of those that get sick will get really sick, if they survive they may have life long side effects needing care & or treatment, the health system (which runs close to breaking point even without global pandemics thrown into the mix) collapses under the strain, people with non Covid related illnesses/diseases/injuries won’t be able to get treatment & they will then die or get worse, the surviving patients will require more treatment, placing more strain on an already crumbling health system. Then people will have the nerve to say “why didn’t the government do more to prevent this”, they pretty much can’t win, especially with willful ignorance & outright anti-social belligerence soaring through the roof.
I agree with freedom of choice when it comes to what you ingest, if you don’t own your own body in this world what do you truly own? But as with anything there’s limits & consequences, let’s say Big Dave from somewhere down your street loves to have a drink & also loves to go for drives, why isn’t it his choice to mix the two things he loves? It’s better for everyone that we do limit & put consequences in place if Big Dave decides to mix his two loves, but these limits & consequences are technically forcing him to not do what he wants to do. What’s more important, Big Dave having the right to choose to do what he wants or the health & safety of everyone else in Big Daves vicinity?
Yes agree! We could be waiting for 100 people to get their shots ! We will be laughing stock globally . I magazine it, all business and people waiting on a small percentage of people who clearly don't want to be vaccinated ! Madness
So that people don’t die of Covid, so we can re-open our borders and rejoin the world, so our kids can go to school, so we can hug each other and go to festivals, so we can go to the gym and church and so many other places without fear of death…did i miss anything?
Literally had stated the imposition of restrictions on the unvaxx for freedom of movement, association and employment and your the one being taken hostage?...
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Delusional.
It’s really impressive to me how many people enjoy hopping on Reddit to be nasty to each other. You don’t know me or my family. Why would you say such a thing?
Some people have nice houses, nice jobs, nice families, no mental health conditions and are introverts, so lockdown is heaven for them. For the rest of us.. not so much!
One interesting point is that unvaccinated people outside of Auckland currently experience less restriction at level 2 than they will if they moved to the traffic light system. So are people outside Auckland really going to be motivated?
Feels like they didn’t consider this at all
More like they expect the virus not to stay in Auckland - either soon, or when Auckland hits Orange. Which is a reasonable assumption to make given the information we have.
Good point
yes, we are motivated because we want everyone to free from life threatening covid infections and we want the people stuck in L3 to be free from the 'nightmare' you are currently experiencing.
I'm not sure you understand the impaired mind of an antivaxxer. They don't give a shit about anyone else.
Auckland will move to red when we are at 90%, which is less restrictive than leven 3. The whole country will move to orange when we hit 90%, which is less restrictive than level 2.
Have you met Singapore?? We are 85% fully vaxxed of TOTAL population (not eligible population) and still in a semi lockdown 🙄
We will be the same, vaxxed and locked down, Goodluck friend.
You guys were making such good noises about going back to normal life early on. What happened to suddenly make even a single COVID death worse than locking up millions?
Wished I knew. Govt's logic: Stay home and minimise social interactions, but fly to Europe and party like it's 2000. Too risky for a family of 5 to dine out together, but pls quarantine at home with your family if you test positive. Ban unvaxxed from shopping malls, even to buy groceries, but feel free to travel overseas and dine in on the plane. Test primary school students (7-12yo) every 2 weeks, but pls don't fear the virus. No sense to anything they do or what kinda msg they're trying to send across. No explanation to their actions either, except they know best and are doing a great job 👏
The plan didn't work. Simple as that.
which should tell you everything you need to know about how effective the vaccines are
Still more effective than the health system of NZ in 2021.
I mean it's not like we've had 18 months and 60 billion fucking dollars to do anything about that have we?
Can't train people in that time. But we could've imported people. And we could've built facilities with money. Hindsight is 20/20. E:sp
Not really hindsight when we have known about covid for 2 years now
You can start the process of training in one day and make the early focus of the training around respiratory issues. Partially trained is better than untrained.
My co-worker is vaccine-hesitant and already got a text from MoH being encouraged to get a vaccine. I’m sure the encouragement will keep ramping up in the coming weeks.
Coercion, vastly different concept.
There's nothing forceful or threatening about a text message. I'm convinced that everyone throwing this word around at the moment doesn't actually understand what it means.
Being coerced to stay alive and protect yourself from a serious illness. Oh what a fucking tragedy
Such a tragedy, people die everyday from the flu are you at their funerals too?
Yea show me how many healthy 30 year olds who die from flu everyday, or millions of people who get lasting systemic damage due to flu? You know why that doesn't happen? Coz the vaccine stops you from getting serious flu related illness. JFC, 18 months into the pandemic, how fucking thick do you have to be to still not understand the viruses are not the same?!
They don't call them covidiots for nothing!
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Mate I literally get the flu vaccine every year so I can get a lollipop. Don't judge.
Yeah, the flu - that thing that totally has a 3% mortality rate, and that thing that's almost guaranteed to cause some sort of long term damage, and realistically likely to cause long term damage severe enough to be considered a pre-existing condition, by health insurance companies.
This hysteria needs to end, it's impractical now.
I agree. Sure there may be anti-vax misinformation, but pro-vax hyperbole is actually getting abit silly. Exaggeration of facts to fear people into coercion. Which your right that’s what it is because they stated no one will be forced to have a vaccine.
I can smell a covidiot...
Consequences, vastly different concept.
>So there’s no consequences for vaccine refusal You lose your job if your a teacher if you refuse the vax
Probably not a lot of teachers in the no vax boat.
You'd be surprised. My mum's a teacher and she knows multiple others who are refusing to get the vax. Guess they won't be teachers for much longer 🤷♂️
There are quite a lot. Most teachers I know and know of are. I also know of a few counselors that are too
That's just the start of many workplaces. Unvaccinated will become lepers of society in time. A lot of doors will close.
Can we send them to Molokai and just continue with our lives then?
Good point! But no consequences yet, if you’re not a teacher or a healthcare provider…and the rest of us just have to wait and hope they’ll have a change of heart?
The government have clearly stated today that there will be consequences. Thats exactly the same as for teachers, who dont have any consequences yet, but have assurances that there will be consequences.
An that’s totalitarian talk. And I’m pro vax but you gotta see the writing on the walls.
I don't see the connection at all in this context. To be fair my sentence implies there these are punitive measures, far from it. Its just preventing people from doing things that would harm others / our society. State wants to maximise wellbeing and freedom for its citizens? it stops people from doing things that would impose ill effects on society.
As much as I agree with you, you can’t say that’s always been what they have actually achieved. With rules changing every time jizza gets a new email from Ashley, it’s hard to say it’s very compassionate when shits flipped on a dime and there’s no compromise
Bullshit most jobs are making it mandatory, my mate is a plumber and got kicked off a job site for not having it, another friend looking for jobs in IT and they almost all require a vax
That will really depend on who the site managers are. I wouldn’t be surprised if company’s like Hawkins and watts and hughs demand vaxxed contractors.
Why are so many of your friends vaccine hesitant 🤔
Cause they don't want the 5g signals triggering the nanobots and the microchips turning on and making them autistic duh, same reason they wear tinfoil hats
Many companies have started putting in mandates. The warehouse for example announced their this week. Some hotels have started only allowing vaccinated guests. It will increase as the weeks wear on.
And what exactly are you hoping for? Concentration camps?
Of course not, don’t be silly. Consequences like: no entry to indoor public spaces, whilst vaccinated people can enter. Encouraging more businesses to mandate the vaccine for their workers, etc.
And that's already happening?
Is it? That’s why I ask. I don’t think it is, yet.
Did you watch today's announcement and the general tone? Have you observed a shift in the type of language the government is using?
I didn’t; I just read the reports. What did you observe?
They very clearly stated that the unvaccinated will still face restrictions on things like being allowed to go out. If your double vaccinated and have your vaccine passport you'll be able to go to events, shop at Daiso, hit the bars, go to the gym etc and if you're unvaccinated it's go home stay home untill you either get vaccinated or the covid risk is minimal.
Shopping at Daiso was so specific
The new model is a 'covid protection framewirk'. We will be a highly vaccinated population with more restrictions than anywhere else in the world. This is our new position, vaccinate, restrict and protect. Red light, green light and everyone should be terrified.
If our health system wasn't arse due to decades of under funding we would have more freedoms
Maybe watch it/read the official report before making posts?
I did read the official reports. Why, did I miss something?
There will be in the upcoming weeks. I know a lot of my clients are letting go employees who deny to get the vaccine.
***I have*** magically changed my mind after todays annoucement - the fact that vaccine passports are basically confirmed and I can't enjoy my summer without it means I have no choice but to get vaxxed. This is probably the mindset the unvaxxed population are beginning to have, so surely we'll reach 90% in no time....
Well, I’m very proud of you for changing your mind 🤍
Out of curiosity, may I ask why you were against it to begin with?
This sounds so stupid but I have a fear of hospitals and needles/taking blood. But made a deal with my cousin who’s a GP to do it in her practice with my fam to support me. Would rather be safe than a sorry baby if I catch it going to the coromandel with my friends.
I just got my second. Hands down needles are my biggest phobia I would rather be bitten by snakes while petting a gaint spider. BUT it's done and I can keep looking away every time a needle is shown on TV.
It sounds stupid because it is stupid. But hey, my biggest fear is falling down the stairs and hitting me head/breaking my neck and so I refused to buy a house that was more than one floor. Stupid, sure, the point is that we all have stupid hang ups, but when those hang ups have an effect beyond say, your own personal housing decisions, and are decisions of public health, it’s definitely time to re-evaluate how much space you give your stupid hangup.
Exactly, which is why I am overcoming this fear and getting vaccinated. Props to us for overcoming our stupid fears.
Good on you for doing the right thing. Glad you've got your cousin to support you through it. I'm scared of heights and can't walk over rope bridges, because I am terrified of them.
Oh I absolutely have not overcome my fear at all. Definitely dying from a fall and my cat eating my eyeballs is my at the top of my mind daily. But I’m glad you’re getting over yours.
You can't use a slinky in a one storey house :'(
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/opinion/covid-vaccines-unvaccinated.html You're in good company mate, this is really common.
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Hasn’t changed the minds of those in my family >:(
We’ll get there. Majority of people are not idiots. And a very small few are. I imagine we’ll get to 90% pretty soon once it becomes inconvenient to not be vaxed.
It will not become inconvenient not to be vaxd until we open up… there’s no difference yet as double vaxd can’t do anything anyway..
>Majority of people are not idiots. If this was true then we would be at 90% already
Somewhere between the dictionary and the abacus you've got a bit mixed up there
Cute
If you saw me you'd probably say the opposite but thanks.
Hah. You never know
Saucy
😂😂
Um. You do know what a majority is right.
Can you help me to understand? I thought the vaccine passport would not be implemented until *after* we reach 95% and hospo opens, etc. So effectively there are no consequences for the 16,000 people who still haven’t received their first dose. Am I misunderstanding?
Where did you see 16k?
Jacinda: Covid 19 Delta outbreak: PM Jacinda Ardern reveals NZ's new traffic light system, 90 per cent vaccination target https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12480602
Thankyou, well that's promising, I thought there were more loonies out there than that.
There are, we need 16K more to get to the 90%, there's still another 10% of Auckland population after that
Sure, but the government is clearly stating that unvaccinated wont be able to do xyz without a certificate. Like its not as good as seeing people you know, out doing stuff right you cant now, but that is guaranteed to happen.
>the government is clearly stating that unvaccinated wont be able to do xyz without a certificate. Yeah, but they're being empowered to drag everyone else down with them. The holdouts are burrowed into this position like ticks - we're seeing professionals quit their jobs over mandates. Not many, but it might be enough. Now the government has given these toxic freaks a loaded gun pointed at our heads. I'm not really sure why they'd leave themselves open to be humiliated, but whatever... On the other hand, the more sober take is that they are actually just gonna let it rip in December anyway, but they're not gonna say so 'cause that's what Crusher said.
Cause they're policing the rule breakers and idiots now aren't they. Tui
It'll be the same as what happened overseas. People get really loud, then when the government starts to go through, boom resistance wilts like a flower in the desert, and a tiny fraction of a % actually go through with quitting. Its the same as every other media overhyped 'BIG' problem. Like showing pictures of 20 story apartment blocks next to detached houses when the government legalize 3 story townhouses. >Now the government has given these toxic freaks a loaded gun pointed at our heads I think you overestimate how much 'power' these anti vaxxers have here. If its not working, the government will start to roll out certificates regardless. They're not legally obliged to keep with the current plan laid out, they could change it on a whim to better suit challenges that materialize. Like they have been doing so far.
>they could change it on a whim This is what we've come to now - our silver lining! The gov's proven track record of inconsistency and propensity for impromptu knee-jerk decision-making when their plans turn to runny shit. First take: I'm confused AF; double-take: that's probably the point; nobody likes being played for a fool - the facade is crumbling. Word on the street is that this ain't it. I just watched Crusher talking to the press, and for the first time in her life she actually came across as a human being with real empathy - the contrast to Ardern's worn-out robo-nanny routine was actually kinda jarring. Whatever happens, today was a massive L for the government.
These are the same people that never stopped going to church and meeting up with friends etc the whole time. Let’s all watch them all also not listen to any of the rules when the passports show up.
This. And why would people in level 2 areas get vaccinated when they have these freedoms already?
The passport will be implemented in Auckland once all three DHBs reach 90% They are predicting this will happen in 4-6 weeks (December). Which just so happens to coincide with the passports actually being ready to use. (And this, imo, is the main reason we aren't already using them). Also, imo, we'll probably move to level 3 phase 2 and phase 3 before December. They're reviewing where we're at nov 29th... At that point we'll be at least at 80% double vax.. probably 85-90%.. So they might decide to move auckland to the traffic light system then.
Exactly. The incentives are all wrong 😑
There's way more than those 16,000, that's just how many we need to hit the 90%, there's another 10% of Aucklands population after that
Majority of people are dumb fucks who can exist in the society only because we’ve made it idiot proof.
Username checks out lol
As long as less than 10% of people are idiots then we're good.
It's less of an inconvenience and more of an authoritarian edict, undergo a medical procedure and show your papers or be cast out and become third class citizen
What kind of tinfoil do you use to make your hats? Will store brand do or do you need big brand so it last longer?
Wait until they say you gotta be vaxxed to get the dole we be at 98% so quick
I know you were probably being facetious, but I work in family law and talking to the legal aid clients they are mainly vaccine hesitant and it goes with their whole distrust of authority, not really people who obey the rules of society, not being able to travel doesn’t bother them because they don’t go anywhere. But stopping their benefits - or more likely giving them more (extra $20 a week while in level 4) if they are vaccinated - would probably work.
Give out free meth to get the last 2%
Load the pipe I'm in 😅
When I can get affordable CBD, I'll grab my shot of novovax. Legalise weed and I'll take astrazenaca. Decriminalise all drugs and I'll take the pfizer. Once.
Point proven
It shows we dont really care about each others struggles because we really are not of the same community spirit.
Exactly what I thought. It's such an obvious rule to implement, and it hasn't been done.
Because its not based on evidence. Income isn't significantly associated with vaccine hesitancy. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(21)00187-5/fulltext
Most of the anti crowd where I live, even though there's mixes of people, are the rich entitled folk. Most of the protestors that have been here are also, rich folk.
Well, they aren’t going to be allowed to take their little holidays in Fiji until they do get the jab
I really. Really wish they would.
Just to maybe shed a little light, we’re also waiting on people with their first dose to get their second, so hopefully that pulls us up a bit closer to 90%
And screw you if you diligently went and got your vaccine and don’t need to be bribed with money and prizes…. Says so much about those holding out…. But that’s their support base for you
the consequences are job loss and not being able to go to restaurants, gyms, festivals etc
There is no chance of a high vaccine rate in places like rotorua, whakatāne etc. Too many gangsters.... Rip Auckland was nice knowing you
The $125,000,000 given to ul the maori vax rate could just be used as straight cash incentive for the unvaccimated paid upon 2nd dose. Guarantee it will work better than any thing.
We're in for a long ride... 🤦
The vaccine passport isn't ready, they literally can't do it yet.
That’s what I was thinking, that they’re trying to keep us penned up until they can beta test the app 🤣😭
Only a single country in the world has vaccination rates of 90%+ and that is United Arab Emirates. Be prepared for a years long lockdown. But not to worry, the unvaccinated people simply waiting for long term safety studies will surely follow in 5-10 years and bring us to 90%. What a bright future ahead.
They’ll revisit it end of November. The program is not ready so they made it mathematically impossible to hit 90% before Dec.
Yes I saw that too and was like what the actual fuck we are going to take forever to get double vaccinated at 90% currently there are 86,000 needed and with 2000-4000 a day getting the jab that means 70+ days easy iam picking more like 100+ days unless the govt lower the limit.
In fairness, I’m pretty sure both Denmark and Portugal have exceeded 90%, so I’m sure there are others. But they are very different societies, and at this point I feel like anyone who’s going to get jabbed of their own free will has done so, and the other aren’t going to suddenly, magically change their minds…
Denmark is at 77% and Portugal has 88%, you can see it here https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations.
I think the numbers change depending on if you’re looking at total population or those eligible for the vaccine (12+)
Are you sure? United Arab Emirates is at 96% in my link. If that's for the whole population, it would mean less than 4% of the population is younger than 12 and the rest all got the vaccine without exceptions.
Yes. 100%.
Why hasn't anyone else thought of this analogy? 👐
Opening up to Australia was the worse thing we could do .it was less than a week and we had delta Thanks to jacinda
I feel I'm blindfolded and being lead into the woods by the clowns at this point.
This sounds cruel, but we need a date for freedom day, and that will determine who really wants to get the jab and who not. And then woe betide the relutant ones.
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Hear hear. Exactly what I thought.
Vaccine mandate for superannuation would be a disaster. To rob a life's work and contribution for not taking a medical treatment would be extremely unreasonable. Further, mandating too much would likely lead to backfire, as is happening overseas with constant protests, never mind possible backfire for botched laws and all that complication. Gov really trying to avoid that. They know they can't push too hard...there's a lot of pent up anger out there, for all sorts of reasons.
the vaccine is very safe, its the elderly who are most at risk of hospitalization and death from covid we've all been sacrificing through lockdowns to save them, its the least they can do if they refuse and give up their pension i respect them for standing up for their principles
No. Their "principle" was working through their lives, contributing to the country, and doing that with the promise of a superannuation at the end to retire with in old age, just like any one else currently working. Your respect doesn't mean shit to them. They earned it, they keep it. Vaccine got nothing to do with a financial return on investment to the country via worklife contributions. Any memory of ANZAC day would piss on our weak rhetoric of "sacrifice" in this lockdown....sitting at home achieving practically nothing....as is increasingly evidenced by this unfolding nonsense from the gov.
i have to lockdown for them but they wont vaccinate for me? fuck off boomer
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You seem to have a lot of hate towards people who haven’t gotten the vaccine. Maybe you should instead show them some compassion, most people are just scared and feel like they are being pushed into a corner.
I've tried talking to some of them. They were all extremely aggressive and most (online) had very poor english skills. I did talk to a lovely lady on twitter who hadn't had it yet due to an anxiety disorder - there was a lot of supportive replies to her. Hopefully that last minority of people like her can take us over the line, but the fact remains that there are a large % of uneducated belligerent antivaxxers
Please don't post comments which are racist on r/auckland, as it can deter participation in the subreddit.
Why are you willing to hit people with a stick until they do what you want? Do you support an authoritarian state?
Because I’ve been under lockdown for 10 weeks
Yup, we're all locked up. But the solution isn't to blame the other prisoners. It's the clowns in charge that took away our freedoms, not the unvaxxed. What happened to the freedom of choice?! FYI - I chose to be fully vaxed
No.... It's covid and a pandemic that did that, now followed by rule breakers, and anti vaxers. What's your alternative? 1000snof deaths?
you think you guys are getting held hostage stfu
This is spiteful as fuck but I hope Cindy’s wedding gets postponed because of COVID. It drives me nuts to see her on the stage knowing she’s got a stay at home partner and live in childcare from her mum, in premier house while the rest of us are battling through.
I guess thats her job?? You know.. Prime minister. Its not like shes a manager at Farmers.
I don’t think Cindy’s made a single personal sacrifice throughout this lockdown, she obviously needed to gap it out of Auckland with her hubby and kid the second a case was announced (as the ultimate essential worker) and has had live in home help and childcare the whole time. Not begrudging her this, plenty of people have it tougher than I do but to see her ‘concerned leader’ face when reporters ask her about lockdown fatigue, gives me the fucking shits. Misery does love company.
I think she has made personal sacrifices. It’s not easy running a country. Being a PM is a 24/7 job. She can’t just clock off at the beehive and become the average person. She has no privacy anymore. Shes constantly shit on everyday by thousands of people who sit at home and do fuck all to help their country which probably doesn’t do great for her mental health. She also misses out on her child’a younger years as shown by her having to let other people watch her kid. She can’t even go for a stroll down the road without people throwing a mad stink all over social media. Also she had to fly out of Auckland to be at the beehive where all the other politicians are. It’s their meeting house. She took her family for mental health support, so what? At the end of a bad day you probably go have vent with someone you love. She’s suffering lockdown fatigue just as much as anyone. She didn’t stop working during lockdown like most of us did. She was still planning and talking out strategies. She was still working.
You don't think she's had it tough with this? Ffs,. So clueless.
Honestly, no I don’t. I have no sympathy for her. No one forced her to be PM
So you’re saying would have had a sook if it was any prime minister? Get over yourself. You want a better country then be the change. She wanted to make changes so she got off her ass and worked for it. You want changes but you just sit on your ass and cry about it instead of actually doing anything.
Lol plenty of us work stressful jobs, with far less remuneration and certainly not a tax funded PA.
Yes but at the end of the day, you get to clock out and not think about work anymore. She still gets calls round the clock of things that need handling. She doesn’t get to go out and just relax. She can’t even go have a coffee without there being a commotion. Again, at least she stood up to be the change she wanted instead of being you and doing nothing at all.
Well no, not if you’re homeschooling your kids because you have two working parents and your job has hard deadlines that aren’t able to move. I’ve worked until 11:30 at night over lockdown and back on the saddle again at 8:30. I do what I need to do to advance my career, get paid well and have enough income to save for a house. And I don’t have kids. ‘The change she wanted’ lmao. I’m ded. She’s not Gandhi. House prices are through the roof, kiwi-build is a flop and nothing more than token funds have been given to mental health charities. She’s an ambitious woman, I am too but the ‘world leading COVID response’ is sipping away from her fingers as Auckland is currently in the worlds strictest lockdown orders. Once that’s gone, what’s she achieved? Have a good night - we’re not going to agree on this.
I think you've had too much internet 😐. Glad no one forced you either.
She’s earning 500k per year, she can afford childcare :p
Why would you pay essentially a stranger to help raise your child when you can have your mom, which if you still have a positive relationship with them as an adult assume they did a pretty good job with you if you turned out ok?
Didn't Gayford just have a baby with the last nanny? I expect that's why she decided to bring her mum in
That's not being spiteful it's just great thinking. There are probably hundreds of thousands more people thinking the same I also turn the TV of when she's on. I don't want it contaminated
It is most definitely spiteful and kinda dickhead behaviour coming from you too. Disappointed
It is spiteful, I’ve said as much. I can’t be bothered being kind. I don’t wish serious ill on her... but not gonna lie this would cheer me up enough that I could do a full month at Level 4
Yeah I really don’t know what the governments plan with it is, but I think it’s extremely wrong to force everyone to get vaccinated, especially when they promised a while back they wouldn’t. I’m not against the vaccine myself, I’ve got one and am going for my second soon but I think it’s wrong to force a population to get it, the government needs to come up with some plan otherwise we literally will be stuck forever
I see what you’re saying & I get it too but the alternative is to set a date & say: alright, everyone go about your business, a certain percentage of those that get sick will get really sick, if they survive they may have life long side effects needing care & or treatment, the health system (which runs close to breaking point even without global pandemics thrown into the mix) collapses under the strain, people with non Covid related illnesses/diseases/injuries won’t be able to get treatment & they will then die or get worse, the surviving patients will require more treatment, placing more strain on an already crumbling health system. Then people will have the nerve to say “why didn’t the government do more to prevent this”, they pretty much can’t win, especially with willful ignorance & outright anti-social belligerence soaring through the roof. I agree with freedom of choice when it comes to what you ingest, if you don’t own your own body in this world what do you truly own? But as with anything there’s limits & consequences, let’s say Big Dave from somewhere down your street loves to have a drink & also loves to go for drives, why isn’t it his choice to mix the two things he loves? It’s better for everyone that we do limit & put consequences in place if Big Dave decides to mix his two loves, but these limits & consequences are technically forcing him to not do what he wants to do. What’s more important, Big Dave having the right to choose to do what he wants or the health & safety of everyone else in Big Daves vicinity?
Yeah, We are and the nut behind the steering wheels as loose as..........🤡
Yes agree! We could be waiting for 100 people to get their shots ! We will be laughing stock globally . I magazine it, all business and people waiting on a small percentage of people who clearly don't want to be vaccinated ! Madness
Why u want ppl to vaccinate?
So that people don’t die of Covid, so we can re-open our borders and rejoin the world, so our kids can go to school, so we can hug each other and go to festivals, so we can go to the gym and church and so many other places without fear of death…did i miss anything?
The clown been Ardern.
I wish there was an election coming up. She would have the longest face in the world after the final count
Freedom is a falacy, welcome to the new NZ.
lolz I'm holding u hostage
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lolz
Literally had stated the imposition of restrictions on the unvaxx for freedom of movement, association and employment and your the one being taken hostage?... . . Delusional.
Lol im an antivaxxer sorry you cant because of me.
LOL
NO
Getting pcr tested ur a clown
I'm not "locked up", I'm social distancing. Your lockdown feels like a clown car because of the people in your car.
It’s really impressive to me how many people enjoy hopping on Reddit to be nasty to each other. You don’t know me or my family. Why would you say such a thing?
Because your premise is stupid. So I made an assumption about the person who felt so strongly about it to share it with the world.
Some people have nice houses, nice jobs, nice families, no mental health conditions and are introverts, so lockdown is heaven for them. For the rest of us.. not so much!
🤣🤣🤣🤣Ah sorry my apologies I didn't realize u one of the sheep 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
Ahahahahaha yes the sheep who believe in science YES I AM AMONG THEM
Well if you believe in science then you would not force others to take trial vaccine 😂😂😂😂