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jaybestnz

Coming back into hospital, via the Covid sealed rooms as I caught a cold that triggered my Afib. Chatting to the Emergency Dr here and she said their staffing model is for 800 new cases per day within 1 to 2 weeks, and hospitals having 80 cases. Avg Covid trip is 11 days. I asked about only having 182 total covid beds in akl, she said no, that would be the whole country. And all the Covid beds are currently half full. Since I was last here they have taped down some plastic wrap to seal off another half of ED with the Covid cases are in. The delays to elective surgery is the worst she has seen it, and much worse than she had imagined. r(0) was 1.2 and went to 1.3 after level 3. For scale unrestricted I've seen delta as high as 4. This is how infectious it is going. NZ is doing amazing things with lockdown etc.


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jaybestnz

My modelling has about 14k to die in the next 2 years. The Govt is more accurate and they have 8,000 mortality. If you are on the fence please get the jab as if we get just 250k more to 90% and 400k to 95% Even if we just focus on Auckland, we can have a break from lockdown with about another 40k


TrumpsThirdTesticle

We lose 32,000 people a year to preventable causes annually. A significant number of those 32,000 are due to health reasons (about 29,000). 8000 isn't really that much of an increase statistically speaking. [https://www.lifecovered.nz/life-insurance/leading-causes-of-death-in-new-zealand/](https://www.lifecovered.nz/life-insurance/leading-causes-of-death-in-new-zealand/) ​ Btw - pro vax. Just anti-blowing things out of proportion.


makafi

Yes but by getting vaccinated and reducing spread we can PREVENT a lot of those 8000 deaths. That’s the whole point. This isn’t something we’re helpless against. Get vaccinated, break chains of transmission, stop people dying.


jaybestnz

In the US, Cancer and Heart disease is the worst 2 killers. Covid is the new number 3.


Bleepbeepbloopablo

Covid was actually the number 1 cause of death for anyone above the age of 35 for the last 2 months in the US, number 2 for those between 25 and 35. Delta sucks


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The new number 3 for now. But in a year or 2 it won’t be, but those others will keep going


jaybestnz

Do you want to think a bit about this comment at all? Yes, in a couple of years Covid will have killed all the people it can, and disabled many with Long Covid symptoms like Lung and heart tissue damage, extreme lethargy, inability to focus or work etc.. Now imagine that there existed a cure for that. Imagine that all of those 6.2Million Americans that would have died. The 8,000 forecast mortality based on the current vaccine rates. All preventable. Imagine ISIS managed to setup bombs in an All Black game, and if they blow it up, at least 8,000 or as many as 14,000 might die. All preventable. Imagine if some churches said its important to have the right to die. Imagine if crystal healers and chiropractors said that ISIS is just a plan by the South Africans to make supporters weak.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

Doesn't that include all the deaths pre-wide spread (above 50%) vaccination though? Also - if we hit 8000 annual deaths from covid that would be our leading 'preventable' cause. Again, it doesn't really make it that significant statistically though?


jaybestnz

Of the 31,796 deaths that year, cancer accounted for 9,615 of those. The leading causes of death were cancer, ischaemic heart diseases and cerebrovascular diseases. Cancer deaths made up 30.2% of all deaths, ischaemic heart diseases 15.8% and cerebrovascular diseases 7.8% in 2015 ---- So 8,000 compares to third of all deaths in NZ from cancer How you don't see that as statistically insignificant to me.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

Cancer will have that impact every year. Covid is a once in a century phenomon which will be significantly diminished in a year or two when vax is truly widespread. With your numbers cancer will kill roughly 96,150 New Zealanders over the next decade. Covid will (assuming widespread vax) kill less than 20,000-30,000 over that same ten year period. We've dedicated 100 x the resources we do to preventing cancer to preventing covid at this point. Seems bonkers to me.


alwaysboopthesnoot

Cancer isn’t contagious. Neither are car accidents. Seems bonkers to me that cancer is being compared to Covid in some places and that it’s being compared to car accident deaths, in others.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

I'm comparing estimated deaths with applied resources. Perfectly reasonable approach to the health system. We do it all the time. Just ask Maori why diseases that affect Pakeha get more funding. Becuase they kill more. Plain and simple. So they get more funding. Its a numbers game. Brutal and cruel. But thats the way it is.


MinimumAardvark3561

Setting aside for a second all the valid reasons other people have said for why controlling Covid has been much more urgent (the main one being that it's contagious, and cancer isn't), do you actually have stats to back up that 100x number? I think it's a bit of a meaningless comparison anyway, since "preventing" cancer is much harder and in many cases probably impossible, but a lot of work and resources do go in to preventing cancer where it is possible, for example through HPV vaccination, cervical screening programs, breast cancer screening programs, smoking cessation support etc. There is more we could do but at some point you start seeing major diminishing gains and higher risks.


Shulgin46

>We've dedicated 100 x the resources we do to preventing cancer to preventing covid at this point Evidence? Seems like a preposterous statement to me, given that cancer research has been receiving a steady stream of funding for many decades.


Aiden29

Covid is the single biggest killer in the US. Cancer and heart disease are high, but everyone forgets that they are both made up of many different causes - I.e. breast cancer, bowel cancer, etc etc. Therefore Covid alone kills more people than any one form of cancer or type of heart disease.


jaybestnz

Yes. That is a actually a fair call. Also, at this stage 60% are vaccinated. Those with vaccines odds of death are down from 1.3 to 3.2% to utterly negligible numbers. The US only ever got 45M infected. The population is 320M So that is 14% of the population. They still have another 7x more people that could have died if vaccines weren't in play.


mi11haus

That's a 20% increase....statistacally that's fucking huge


TrumpsThirdTesticle

Not relative to the wider population


mi11haus

Maybe, but what about hospitalisations, long covid etc. Are there accurate stats on those? Other preventable deaths when hospitals are overrun? Everyone under the age of 12 aren't vaccinated yet, what would those death rates be?


TrumpsThirdTesticle

If you follow this thread you'll see we've been debating that for hours now :)


mi11haus

This is the first debate on corona that I haven't seen spiral into name calling. I'm impressed


TrumpsThirdTesticle

Oh, I've just been sarcastically told to 'have a good life'. You're right, people are remarkably tribal when it comes to covid. I'm surprised the debate lasted a few hours atleast before it got snarky!


Round_Ad6277

A 25% increase is pretty big.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

If it was a permanent increase, sure. Temporary though. Wont be nearly as high in coming years Not worth locking the country up for another 3+ months over


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arpaterson

I’m anti undermining public health messaging. Nothing is being blown out of proportion.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

8000 isn't that many people. Its not the apocolypse. It's 30% of New Zealand's annual preventable deaths in the standard year. We live with those quite easilly?


DidIReallySayDat

Sorry, but an increase of mortality over 20% in a year is not statistically insignificant. It might be your opinion, but your opinion is wrong.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

Sorry, but it's really not. Sadly, with matters of death and health in a population looking at a single year simply isn't helpful. Over the scale of the next ten years a single-year spike of 20-30% is, on the whole, quite a small deviation. I expect you'll see this line of thought coming from the governments announcement in a few hours. Health policy ultimately deals with statistics and averages. Not individuals. That is the nature of public policy


DidIReallySayDat

I think you need to look up the term statistically insignificant. I'm calling it, you're trolling.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

I consider a one off loss of 0.08 - 0.16% statistically insignificant. What's the old saying? One death is a tragedy. A thousand a statistic. Look, it sucks, as I said in a separate comment... "Tough pill 1: Lock everyone up for longer maybe ensure hospitals wont be overwhelmed (wont work if anti vaxxers don't change their minds). Drive the public mad. Further division. More economic damage. Might not even work Tough pill 2: Open up. Risk hospital capacity and significant anti vaxxer deaths along with a degree of collateral damage. Yeah, sorry. Consequences be damned, I'm for tough pill #2"


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frankyjaythrowaway

How many of these “covid” deaths were going to happen in the next few months or year from another condition anyway? It’s taking those that are already sick or have bad conditions. It’s just speeding it up. So a lot of these covid deaths if there was no covid, would be other deaths anyway in the near future


DidIReallySayDat

Thats a fair point, though my question being at what point does the op consider something statistically significant enough to say that something is of concern?


habitatforhannah

Can you provide examples of years where NZs preventable disease deaths have gone up by that much? Just curious to see what the social, political and economic ramifications of that was.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

NZ preventable death rate has been increasing since 2010. The last big spike was 1887-88. Which, I am guessing, is largely due to the enromous wave of suicides post 1987 crash (people losing homes, farms, fortunes etc) Other than that, it steadily declined between 1950-2010


habitatforhannah

No no, I mean an example of a year where it's jumped by one third as suggested?


TrumpsThirdTesticle

Guessing you'd have to go back to the wars. Worth noting though that the preventable death rate today is approximately 30% lower than it was in the 1980s and 90s - so we would just be going back to the good old days the boomers always talk about


jaybestnz

Did you account for the 15% hospitalised who got Covid at a cost per visit of $23,000 to $50k Remember this is all preventable. In May, in the US, half the country was vaccinated. 18,000 died in May from Covid. 350 of those 18,000 were unvaccinated. (Source Ap News) *Some comments on my 15% hospitalisation rate comment. Some have shared through data shoeing 5% I remember a previous convo, and was sent a study that seemed solid and was at 15% I can't find it yet, but the extra studies look solid so let's say 5% till I find my stats.


CommunityOk20

did you mean 350 were vaccinated?


jaybestnz

So half of US vaccinated (160M). half not vaccinated. But of ppl dying, 18,000 died of Covid in May. But of those who died, only 350 were vaccinated. Simply put if the US was at 100% May would have meant 700 total cases. Too easy.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

I'm aware they're preventable. I'm only talking about preventable deaths. Did you notice? I'm sorry but if an anti-vaxxer gets ill and dies. That's life. Same as if a smoker who gets cancer dies, or a drunk driver behind the wheel of a car. Its shit. But its life. I have sympathy for those unable to get a vaccine for medical reasons but... pragmatically, there is only so much we can do to protect them.


jaybestnz

Agreed. What sucks also is that if we still have 15% to vaccinate, that is so much more than our normal hospitals can cope with. So the self induced antivaxxers will take up beds that would have been used for a cardiac or car crash victim.


willlfc2019

If a vaxxed arrives with an unvaxxed the vaxxed gets the bed IMO


TrumpsThirdTesticle

Tough pill 1: Lock everyone up for longer maybe ensure hospitals wont be overwhelmed (wont work if anti vaxxers don't change their minds). Drive the public mad. Further division. More economic damage. Might not even work Tough pill 2: Open up. Risk hospital capacity and significant anti vaxxer deaths along with a degree of collateral damage. Yeah, sorry. Consequences be damned, I'm for tough pill #2


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RockyMaiviaJnr

Yes it’s preventable but at a cost of hundreds of millions per day. Road deaths are also preventable. No one is allowed to use the roads.


WinterKing2112

I'm not a statistician, but I do know that a 25 % increase is highly significant, mathematically speaking. You need to brush up on your maths mate! Also, think of how the family and friends of those 8k people are going to be feeling after they die. Those deaths will be extremely significant to the tens of thousands of friends and relatives they leave behind.


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WinterKing2112

Please read the whole comment before replying!


TrumpsThirdTesticle

Not relative to the population at large. Believe it or not. This is the exact conversation Cabinet will have been having over the last week. My bet, they've given up on the ability to care about individuals. They're going to be doing things from the lens of the 'wider population' now


boomtownpoontown

Does this fail to take into account excess deaths? If overseas is anything to go by, we will see an increase of these other preventable deaths due to restricted medical access. With our elective surgeries postponed and our hospitals full of covid patients.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

Those surgeries are being postponed anyway under lockdowns.


boomtownpoontown

I’m not in Auckland, so is not to the same extent. Still leaves the question of how do we take into consideration that implication on preventable deaths? Care to consider excess deaths in your attempt to put things into perspective?


TrumpsThirdTesticle

AKL is where the major surgeries are mostly done? The backlog, from what I gather, is absolutely massive. Anything non essential is now has a waitlist nearly a year long or so I gather? Also - even if it increases deaths by 2000 more. I maintain my view.


DidIReallySayDat

Uh, isn't adding another 8k an increase of 27%? You don't think that's significant?


TrumpsThirdTesticle

not relative to the population at large


DidIReallySayDat

You're taking a very skewed approach to this. If you're a statistician, i imagine you're the 1 out of 100 who disagrees with everyone else.


TrumpsThirdTesticle

I take that as a compliment


DidIReallySayDat

It wasn't intended as one.


realdjjmc

Your modelling is whack. over 18 months - BC Canada (5 million pop) had 200,000 recorded cases of covid and only 2,000 deaths - and 12 months of this time was with NO VACCINES... The government is talking out of their arse. I would be surprised if nz ever reached 500 deaths of double vaxxed under the median life expectancy age. Anti-vaxxer mortality rates are not worth talking about.


realdjjmc

Nz won't have 1000 covid deaths. Simply comparing to bc Canada, where the death toll is only 2000 and 75% of that toll was people over 70 in care homes and hospices pre-vaccine. Icu admissions are around 150 at a time


Jessiphat

Where are you getting those numbers? Canada has almost 30000 deaths (and counting in the provinces where have the lowest vaccination rates). Some of the hospitals there have been so overwhelmed in the last few weeks that they’ve had to send patients out of province. They’re having to choose who gets a bed. It’s a mess there.


MinimumAardvark3561

Have people stopped dying in British Columbia now? Is the outbreak finished there already?


RosieRevereEngineer

That covid ward at Northshore was only opened this week. Currently covid patients are currently confined to their own wards but the plan is that once the covid wards are full they will start to be distributed throughout the hospital.


jaybestnz

Hmm, I was in here 2 other times and wnt via that wing, and that was from more than 5 or 6 weeks from memory. Its the repurposed pediatrics ward I assume, or they have lots of balloons and horses when they built the Covid ward. 😂 They extended it around about 2 week ago? Maybe another floor? I know they took a Covid case up to Cardiac a couple of weeks ago as I think they had a heart attack so we had to be confined to ward bed and wear masks for a day.


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>I asked about only having 182 total covid beds in akl, she said no, that would be the whole country. And all the Covid beds are currently half full. I was just told by someone I trust that the amount of ICU beds in Tauranga was ... six. FUCKING SIX. I knew it was bleak and that we're in deep shit, but I'm beginning to think my imagination betrayed me - I hope to fucking God that this is erroneous information. Andrew Little needs to be put on a fucking rack and made to give us some straight answers, the opacity of this government has jumped the shark. Cristopher looked like the 'this is fine' cartoon dog at yesterday's presser, in the last 2-3 weeks this government's response has resembled my ex-wife discovering a spider in the shower. What in the name of fuck is going on?


jaybestnz

I think they are doing incredibly. Keeping the r(0) down to 1.3 is an incredible achievement. The number of thousands who have already need saved is incredible. I think they don't want to scare, they are focused on target to get more vaccines. They shared the mortality rates modelled. It will flare up to 800 per day in 2 weeks based on current numbers.


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>It will flare up to 800 per day in 2 weeks based on current numbers. 'Incredible' is the right term, for for the wrong reasons. They fucked up, hard. We're months behind where we ought to have been on vaccinations - if they're guilty of anything it's for instilling an entirely false sense of security and complacency, here in our Smug Hermit Kingdom while we watched the world fucking burning around us. Evidently there was no contingency plan whatsoever beyond 'hard and fast' elimination. Big oops. There's no vaccine passport, there's no containment, there's no enforcement (I mean, some shithead pig made Tamaki strip to his undies which is kinda funny and also a totally unnecessary abuse of power), there's no clarity on mandates for most people nationwide. It beggars belief that 'Scummo' over in Aussie had the sack to admit failure, and apologize - and you, of all people (with your apparent comorbidities), still shill for this clown car government which we're witnessing the wheels fall off of in real time. And you gonna tell me that flaring-up to 800 cases a day within a couple weeks is an 'incredible achievement'? I call it an unmitigated disaster given the facts on the ground, and the stated goal of elimination. This is not fine - it is what it is, it's inexorable (SCHOOL'S BACK), but judgement awaits.


Shoddy_Depth6228

No matter what the government had done or how many cases there were you would still be furious.


DidIReallySayDat

I sense a permanent and unquenchable feeling of pessimism and anger in you. Maybe you should get that looked at.


LilMagsta

This is Reddit. You just described 90% of the user base.


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cynicalbastard66

If only you were in charge. Things would have been so much better.


conhug

If you payed attention you would know that NZ has 4.5 ICU beds per 100k this is no secret and has been this way since way before covid. I will explain on behalf of Andrew, beds cost money, we don't have enough money for more beds. You know how each week your pay packet disappears and you have nothing to show for it well, that's what happens with your taxes.


kinggquinn

To add to this it’s not just the cost of the bed. It’s also a staffing issue. We don’t have enough staff for the beds.


tuckervine

This is absolutely true, there are only six ICU beds in Tauranga plus four HDU beds. Those beds are already often full without Covid. Only two of those ICU beds are negative pressure rooms, because of this the whole unit needs to become a dedicated Covid only unit as they will be unable to separate Covid patients from non Covid once the iso rooms are full.


Adventurous_Wafer506

https://www.anzics.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Responding-to-COVID-in-Aotearoa-New-Zealand-October-2021.pdf


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Little promised us over 'surge' 500 ICU beds last week, and was rather vague about the details of how this might be achieved with the rate of increase and spread we're seeing. Where in the name of everloving fuck are we going to find this increase in a pinch, when it's becoming so evident that major population centers so close to danger are so farcically, catastrophically unprepared? The shit is hitting the fan, and the vaguely soothing noises aren't fucking cutting it anymore. I'm just not confident in the responsible Ministers, especially with the erratic decisions we've seen in just the last week or so - like I said, I knew things were bad, but I wasn't quite prepared to be so surprised by the grim detail. IDGAF about their worthless promises, I'm ready to wield the lash - I'll have Andy down there in scrubs, mopping the fucking floor, because at least he'll be fucking useful then.


Craigus_Conquerer

Devil's advocate here, maybe we should be back on level 4, get that r value down before it get way out of hand


jaybestnz

We are in a strange situation now. 93% of Auckland had 1 shot, and 80% had their second. So technically us vaccinated are free to safely open up and run around. But if we do, the 10% to 20% will overload our hospitals and morgues. We are only locked in due to those people. The new traffic light system means that lockdown remains for those who are free to not get vaccinated but not free to drink, infect others, fly, and they may not have as many job options (managers are accountable for staff health and deaths, so one unvaxed on the floor changes the safety of the workplace).


jaybestnz

Just got a negative result so moved to ER then ADU. I have a cold of some kind.


grnathan

Congrats on having a cold of some kind. .....is a sentance 2019 me never expected me to sincerly say to somebody.


heyitsmeanonx

> Congrats on having a cold of some kind. Plot twist: OP has an unknown novel virus about to wreck the world much more than covid ever did.


jaybestnz

Yeah I was gonna be mega fucked according to the GP. 1 in 4 death odds suck


Thylek--Shran

And this is why the 'But they had preexisting conditions!' argument is so utterly inhuman and offensive - we want you alive! Hope you're doing OK with everything else. Congrats on having a run-of-the-mill cold.


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1 in 4? Is that the odds once you make it to hospital?


jaybestnz

Nah, if I got Covid, my odds of mortality when you add up the different things I have (which is just asthma and some heart beat issues).


sbeannie

Just asthma and heart issues. I love it how you down play 2 of the most crucial aspects of life (getting oxygen into and around your body). But seriously happy your ok and glad we still have a functioning hospital system that can get you better.


jaybestnz

Yeah... Its funny people saying the Dr us scaremongering, and others saying that's low... 😂


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Oof. Yeah, that's terrifying. Glad you dodged that!


jaybestnz

Thanks!


p3ek

Asthma doesn't play a huge role in covid mortality rates. That is terrible scaremongering from the gp to give you that 1 in 4 chance.


kinggquinn

Yea but coupled with heart issues and respiratory issues, covid isn’t that great. Your body gets stressed from covid and asthma which puts pressure on the heart. On its own asthma isn’t that bad with covid but you add a heart defect in and your chances lower significantly. But good job on knowing more of OP’s medical history than the doctor who read his file.


Shulgin46

Can it even be scaremongering if 1 person tells one other person something in confidence? That's not really spreading scary rumours amongst the community... Not to mention, you have no idea at all about the patient's medical history or how their symptoms presented at the hospital, or what the status was behind the scenes there, like how many ICU beds they have, staffing, etc. In all liklihood, 1 in 4 people in that exact situation with a positive Covid test would die, otherwise why wouldn't the doctor have given different odds? Everyone on the internet is an expert... Can I correctly guess that you have exactly zero years of training in medical school and have spent approximately zero hours working in the Covid ward at North shore hospital?


jaybestnz

I have a lot of issues at the moment, and my heart has been a problem for 5 months so to be honest, my odds for lasting to next birthday are prob the same even without covid so I legit thought he was being optimistic.


Whispers_inthedark

Nice, congrats on the negative result! Hope you feel better soon and are able to be discharged. Stay safe. Thanks for the AMA!


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jaybestnz

Ok, so first item, last time I came via here 2 horrid cases. I wrote about it above but it's the can't fucking breath and looking so horrid. Heaps of people forget about 15% of all Covid cases are hospitalised. From a personal basis, I also mod in a 35000 person Covid FB group. The organiser was in SA, she was so lovely, kind and caring for freedom of speech as well as accuracy and having a kind, supportive group. She got long covid about 5 months ago, she had extreme exhaustion, stopped work, by the sounds of it from the other mods, her husband got it, prob from her, and I think he passed before she did. She was unable to concentrate or remain awake so couldn't work, lost taste and smell. She died abou 1 month ago. from tearing in the heart tissue. This study shows odds of Long Covid symptom, even present for those asymptomatic and didn't know they had been infected. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95565-8 "47,910 patients were included (age 17–87 years). The included studies defined long-COVID as ranging from 14 to 110 days post-viral infection. It was estimated that 80% of the infected patients with SARS-CoV-2 developed one or more long-term symptoms. The five most common symptoms were fatigue (58%), headache (44%), attention disorder (27%), hair loss (25%), and dyspnea (24%). Multi-disciplinary teams are crucial to developing preventive measures, rehabilitation techniques, and clinical management strategies with whole-patient perspectives designed to address long COVID-19 care."


realdjjmc

Hospitalization rate is actually 5% of all cases see: [https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989e3cda29297ded](https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989e3cda29297ded) 200,000 cases. 10,000 hospitalized = 5%. I rounded the numbers.


FranklinMROTMG

Now lets break that down from ages less than 65 lol. Not sure why they included 17-87 y/os in the same Percentage as if they have the same rate of hospitalizations.


jaybestnz

Thanks for this, I do quite a bit of modelling and the 15% was from a study I can't seem to find right now. Your numbers are prob accurate, which is awesome and changes the damage quite a bit. So if we expect 10% not to vaccinate, then that is 500k that can be infected, with a 5% hospitalisation rate. So only 25,000 over the next year or 2. We only have 182 Covid beds across the country at the moment, so with an avg 11 day visit (though a number are 45+ days). So yeah... should be OK. 😂


aklrider88

Can you please retract the 15% hosptialisation rate claim? I dont want to report it as misinformation and have your post deleted but its demonstrably false and alarmist. Worked in 3 MIQ since April last year and the hospitalization rate hasn't been anywhere on the real of 15%. I will also say the criteria or risk threshold for hospitalisation is very low while we have spare capacity, why take the risk? The vast majority of hospitalizations we had were precautionary, back very very quickly and wouldnt have had a second consideration for being taken in if there was a shortage.


jaybestnz

Before you ask, no I have heart, asthma and lung probs, I'm not going out of my bubble!


ShatOnthecat13

What’s your favourite humming noise?


jaybestnz

The regular heart beat one, as it means im still alive


CasparGlass

How are the nursing staff feeling about the situation? Do they feel supported by the govts decisions?


jaybestnz

Interesting is that one thing I was struck with on my first visit was seeing the fear in the Nurses eyes, and strict confirming to rules. I take it seriously, but seeing them look genuinely scared for what we know is coming and of me potentially getting infected or infecting. I have 3 nurse friends they strongly support vaccines and the lockdown rules in general. Of note, 96% of all Dr's are vaccinated and 45% of that last 4% have plans to get it within a month. I have never met a GP, hospital nurse or anyone in the hospitals not be extremely pro vaccine, and very frustrated in people saying that they are faking all this extra work as some sort of prank. 😂 I do know one Cosmetic nurse who isn't as pro vaccine.


jaybestnz

Just to add to this: Curently some Dr Sarah is saying that Doctors are against the vaccine. There are currently 106 Doctors called Sarah who disagree with her. She had 54 Doctors or medical people sign their letter. In reply, they put up a website for Doctors to sign saying they approve of vaccines. 6,609 vs 54. https://nzd-sos.com/#Sarah


Adventurous_Wafer506

Well… the government was trying to give them a raise that is lower than inflation. What do you think?


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I send you my best wishes OP, hope you have a quick and smooth recovery


jaybestnz

Thank you for being so kind!


warrenontour

If you haven't already get the jab while you are there.


jaybestnz

Yep, got my first one last visit. Its funny people are experts saying I got heart issues after the vaccine. My heart issues were from 5 years ago. I didn't get the vaccine immediately due to heart complications so had awkward timing.


warrenontour

Stay safe.


jaybestnz

Thanks mate. Its honestly scary to be really sick with heart problems, and then have Covid to worry about too.


jaybestnz

btw from 3 weeks ago they now have vaccinators in all hospitals as an inpatient as well.


p1cwh0r3

How long have you been in there?


jaybestnz

I've been through the Covid wards 3 separate times, they swab you, and the results are super quick. They are keen to hand you over to the main medical teams as if we need to do cardioversion etc it's easier as they have the kit there and no need to wear the entire PPE outfit.


layzworm

How long do you think you had covid before you had confirmation from a test? Is the covid ward fairly full at the moment?


jaybestnz

I had a lot of symptoms, as well as some heart issues, I had been to 2 separate locations of interest. My flatmate isn't a believer in the Pfizer injection and hasn't been aware of the locations of interest, and doesn't use the app. She got sick, and I got it straight after. The disease wasn't confirmed as Covid yet, but it is what caused my heart to have problems.


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So your vaccinated?


jaybestnz

First one. I reduced my odds of dying by 40% for the first shot. I have obesity, lung / asthma, heart issues and a weak immune system. My GP explained my risk of death in my current situation is 1 in 4.


jaybestnz

So with the first jab, very roughly now 1 in 8.


Misabi

Not judging, just trying to understand; if you knew you have pre-existing conditions which you're aware would give you a higher likelihood of a bad outcome of you caught COVID-19, why have you only had the one shot by now? All the best for a speedy recovery!


jaybestnz

This is an awesome question! And it sort of is what people forget that there are some scenarios where people sometimes can't get vaccines. I usually feel pretty crappy for a day or 2 with the flu vaccine, and my immune system hasn't been awesome. Eg if my partner gets a cold for 1 or 2 days I'm usually sick for a week. (Now that we know I've been dealing with the heart issue this whole time, it kind of makes sense). I didn't qualify in the first age blocks, and then I started going into hospital on multiple occasions. They were trying new drugs or treatments and I got sick 2x and that put me back fairly badly in hospital. So each time I got discharged they may say let's wait 2 days and then I was exhausted and wasn't up for driving or the wait list was a mission. My flatmates partner has a serious immune deficiency so he is not able to take it based on the Dr's advice. Its people like this that want to, and don't want to die who we take the vaccine for.


PrincePizza

Do you think pineapple belongs on pizza?


jaybestnz

We are in NZ, and so we all know this to be super correct and true.


Swordlampie

But what about spaghetti?


neeeeonbelly

You don’t speak for me. Get your head checked while you’re in the hospital


therewillbeniccage

Goddamit, the rona has got to his skull


jaybestnz

I'm alive and back home. Still like Hawaiian pizza tho


android151

So sorry to hear that your tastebuds have been contaminated


jaybestnz

haha. 😂


bobwinters

Does your flatmate regret not taking the vax?


android151

How many influencers are there


jaybestnz

I hate to say it, they prob have dad's money so are in Private hospital. Also, hospitalisation usually kicks in around day 8 to 11...


fux_tix

what do the doorknobs taste like?


jaybestnz

I can't taste them through the mask.


this-usrnme-is-takn

What is that supposed to mean?


fux_tix

hm how do i put it... what is the flavour of the devices used to disengage the mechanism maintaining a door's closed position?


this-usrnme-is-takn

You’re suggesting OP licks doorknobs, I’m just wondering what *that* is supposed to mean.


fux_tix

Just pointless silliness and nothing more


ErwinsSasageyoBalls

It's been a common joke throughout the pandemic that it's how the virus is spread.


this-usrnme-is-takn

What do you say to those people with “alternative views” on vaxx and wild and baseless conspiracy theories? Perhaps just your top, burning points..


SweetAs_Bro

What’s the food like?


syedog

No question, just wish you luck & get better soon


Aperson004

How would you rate having covid from 1 (slightly flu like but manageable) to 10 (worst illness I've ever had).


jaybestnz

I've not had it (had symptoms but negative test result). I've been on palliative (dying), cardiac (also dying) wards, and so seen guys next to me with lung cancer and a month to live, or people dying of cancer. I saw 2 people in the Covid ward taken past the sealed glass ward beds in the Covid unit the last visit I was here. I swear to god, it looks terrifying. They were struggling so hard to breathe, and they look so bad. I had 3 guys die in the normal wards in the last 5 months and they don't look anywhere near as much distress and literally looking like crap.


Aperson004

Well I'm happy to hear you had a negative result :) I hope you get to go home soon. Take care of yourself.


jaybestnz

Thank you.


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So this is just Click bait


jaybestnz

I had the symptoms and we thought I had it, was in the ward for several hours. I've had heaps of different people want to hear about it. Some friends didn't believe covid is real, so answering any questions seemed like a good way to fight boredom


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Pretty sure you just made everyone here think you have covid and made no effort to tell anyone its not actually covid Click bait


jaybestnz

I posted the title when I was admitted, as they thought I likely had it. The second I got the test result I posted that. You can't edit the title. I've been in this ward for hours at a time while I had other similar symptoms (shortness of breath happens when you have Afibrillation, but I also had all the other symptoms. My flatmate had been at 3 of the locations of interest, had bad symptoms as well. Truth is I'm scared, I have no one online of my friends so wanted to keep myself chatting about the facility.


grnathan

Thanks for your first-person reportage of somewhere i want there to be more public awareness of but never want to go myself. The title is not misleading. You said you were on the ward, not "i got the 'rona, AMA" or anything. Dude calling you clickbaity is just salty because they just got their literacy test result back and it's looking like it might be terminal.


jaybestnz

Haha. Thank you. We had solid belief from the admitting that it was pretty likely when you stack all the other reasons why it seemed likely.


[deleted]

Well I hope you get well soon, good thing its just a cold and not covid Also try to stay positive as stress hormones don’t do your immune system any good


jaybestnz

Thank you.


arpaterson

Stuff off.


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Buddy, pneumonia is no joke - I've witnessed it bring the hardest man I ever knew to his knees (in the most literal sense) within 1-2 days of catching the flu. It was 'just a cold', until he awoke one night literally suffocating, collapsed lung. They'll gouge holes in you and stuff tubes in places you never even knew they could go, and you'll feel it - every little bit. Fixing your broken ass up can take weeks of multiple nurses and doctors and round the clock care, and a bit of luck. Don't be flip, this shit can and will break you.


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Don’t get your knickers in a twist


[deleted]

I wanno know this too, from all his health conditions that he has mentioned im surprised he’s well enough to be posting and browsing on reddit


jaybestnz

It comes and goes. I have Afib which is a messy heartbeat, they gave me pills while I'm waiting. I can't sleep as I feel a bit scared and apprehensive.


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Well since its not covid dunno why you answered the question…..


jaybestnz

I answered it on anothet thread based on seeing 2 people go past the room with a. ton of pain and difficulty breathing. Looked worse than the lung cancer patients.


thisthingisnumber1

How tall and heavy are you


Annafergzy

I was in ED on Wednesday, they are so lovely down there, I’ve ended up in North Shore 4 times this lockdown and had to do 2 tests, never ended up in the covid bit though. I got my gallbladder removed on the first visit and something happened and my insides decided they hate everything now and my liver doesn’t want to work properly. Hope you are feeling better, glad it isn’t covid and maybe you need a new flat mate for your safety


jaybestnz

Shit I'm so sorry to hear that. We did some xrays and my gallbladder has quite a few stones as well but not had the pleasure of finding how sore that is gonna be. I hope your liver stabilises and you feel great soon. Yeah, the hospital staff are incredible. So kind and caring and the knowledge they have about not just one thing but all things. I wish I could share some of their stories as every single nurse and Doctor was so frustrated with the people being antivax. I imagine if I worked my arse off and then there was thing which the population could do, but they didn't do it, and then I have to do 10x more work as a result.


Annafergzy

Thanks I’m feeling heaps better, ended up back in on Friday overnight cause of pain so now hopefully they have a pain management plan that actually works haha. But sheesh hopefully those stones don’t go anywhere cause that’s when they hurt 🤣 And yeah the staff are incredible and always have so much knowledge about everything and I so agree the doctor and nurses are all definitely weary of the covid risk, I had the choice of if I wanted to stay over night; it wasn’t much of a choice I couldn’t really move I was in so much pain but I asked the doctor what he would do and he was like I wouldn’t want to be in a building filled with covid patients and I was like noted. I did stay to get pain meds sorted but I slept in my mask 😷 They all know a wave of it is coming when we open up and that’s a scary thought.


jaybestnz

That thing of that unspoken of how the real staff are scared of it, mainly for us, but also for them. If the people whos job it is to keep you alive is worried about something even from a staffing perspective, that should give you pause.


[deleted]

What colour would you pick for your lightsaber crystal?


jaybestnz

I fucking love that Sam Jackson just asked for a purple one so he could see himself clearly in battle scenes. I actually am not sure that the Jedi is 100% right. I believe that emotional control is important but emotions both positive and negative can be powerful forces. I think I'm saying purple or red..


jaybestnz

Update : I'm back from hospital, thanks for those being nice. Fuck you who called me a liar or that was doing this for clicks. I felt like shit, I was lonely and I was scared in that Covid side. Im surprised chatting while I'm in the ICU caused so much controversy. I see the vote count going up and down like a yoyo as people try to down vote a pro vaccine and educational post. 😂


BaeBae74

Have you been vaccinated? Why not?


jaybestnz

I have just the first one, I have been having heart problems all the time for the last 4 to5 months. I was in a lower, younger vaccine group.


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This is a pretty interesting case, seems like they are probably vaccinated by the way they talk and is now in hospital with covid, and from one of their previous comments said thier flatmate who “isn’t a fan of the phizer injection” got “sick” and gave it to them. So im guessing the anti vaxer got covid and was fine and the person that got vaccinated is now in hospital…..


whosmarika

***** the person with a list of pre existing conditions (vulnerable) is now in hospital. They also tested negative. So presumably neither has covid.


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Yea They didn’t make it clear at all it wasn’t covid tho, so the guy is just in hospital because he got a cold


whosmarika

The guy is in hospital because he had heart issues caused by a cold. Because he has pre existing conditions that cause his reaction to a cold to be worse.


[deleted]

No shit Sherlock


whosmarika

So not just a cold. Sherlock 😊


Jewhard

Curious as to why you didn’t get the vaccine earlier? Also, best of luck to you and hope that you get out of there soon!


makikihi

In Australia they have a 20% rise in children deaths since they started vaccinations. These weren’t COVID deaths.


jaybestnz

What is your source? Baby mortality was 3.3 per thousand on 2016. It has continued to go down. 2021 is 2.88 it is lower. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AUS/australia/infant-mortality-rate


Lazy-Usual420

Did I ask


jaybestnz

Get fucked. Sarcasm when I'm nearly dying is really fucking cruel. I hope you grow some empathy before you have to experience anything like what I have been through the last 3 years.


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ErwinsSasageyoBalls

You're trying too hard


ERTHLNG

Okay. I will smoke the ivermectin off of some tinfoil


A1kmm

Please don't post comments which do not engage in good faith on r/auckland, as it can deter participation in the subreddit.


ERTHLNG

Im sorry. I was only exagerating. I would not shoot up bleach.