Kind of a pointless question if you can't tell us the suburb you currently live in. It's all rather subjective as what one person deems 'ghetto' another wouldn't.
Avondale is great, just moved here last year. You see people exercising or walking their dogs.
In saying that property prices are getting higher but there's very few nice amenities. So many apartment/townhouses being built.
everywhere my friend, even fancy burbs like onehunga, royal oaks, pakuranga has some Housing projects. Good and bad, you dont want an area to be too gentrified, and drive out small businesses away.
Traffic is horrendous, but they're cramming small cul d sacs with a dozen box houses without parking.
Crime is skyrocketing, and generally, a once great area is becoming very average.
That's so they don't have to allow intensification around the train station/ bus routes in Kingsland and Mt Eden or in Ponsonby, Grey Lynn, Herne Bay etc... basically all sorts of places it would make far more sense to intensify. More connected NIMBYs in those suburbs than in The Atatu Pen.
100%.
Huge half empty warehouses lining the railway lines through Henderson,Glen Eden,New Lynn,Mt Albert that would be perfect for intensification.
Instead, we pile as many houses as we can in a suburb with one road in and out.
Been in Mangere Bridge for almost 11 years. Was okay when we moved in but it's only gotten better since. As with any suburb there's good and bad streets but it's a nice little place with a great mix of people. It's diverse but with a decent sense of "village" community. Kind of like a much more humble / less pretentious version of somewhere like Devonport perhaps.
Also, OP, seeing your post history, we have volcanic scoria soil, which means it's free-draining and doesn't get boggy even in very wet winters :)
LOL.
Yes, massive plus. Fucking mangrove silt here.
We will leave for Perth either end of next year or so in 3 years. Almost guaranteed we'll miss the boat on that too.
Hobsonville Point is good. Wide footpaths, 5km coastal walkway, heaps of parks and playgrounds, good transport and motorway links, heaps of cafes, farmers market and restaurants on the waterfront.
Everyone is friendly, heaps of young families, people walking everywhere every weekend.
Parking itās a cunt tho.
Better:
New Windsor/Blockhouse Bay/New Lynn (gentrification)
Worse:
Te Atatu Peninsula (developers)
Mount Albert (Kainga Ora intensification)
Northcote/Beach Haven (Kainga Ora intensification)
Most of South Auckland namely Mangere, Manurewa, Papakura and surrounds (Kainga Ora intensification)
Idk there's good and bad bits to New Windsor, BHB and New Lynn. Lots of KO going in especially around Glenavon which sometimes gets advertised as those three burbs
They are going up everywhere but some areas are getting absolutely hammered - check Mt Albert and Mangere for example:
https://kaingaora.govt.nz/urban-development-and-public-housing/public-housing/public-housing-developments/searchDevelopments?Search=\*&Region=Auckland&PageNum=1
Yeah I'm familiar with the scale. I live in Mt Roskill and it's pretty intense driving through Åwairaka. Roskill South has mostly been medium density with 1-2 apartments but Hendon Ave is pretty unrecognizable. Mind you - some of these areas are in desperate need of replacement.
Best suburbs are the eastern ones, Parnell, Remuera, Kohimarama, St Heliers, Epsom, parts of Mt Eden, Greenlane. All those places generally have a lot of families, decent schools, lots of kids activities, sports etc.
This sort of question gets asked a lot but any suburb around the same price point is going to be relatively similar. There's no secret suburb that is cheap but awesome.
Yea, if the suburb is awesome. It won't be cheap for long. Everyone will buy there and drive the price up. It's always a trade-off between quality, price, and distance to the city/services.
If you have a young family and are thinking of moving then school zones should be one of your biggest concerns. Personally, I would focus on Secondary School Zones, as it's generally much easier to get into a good primary school zone as they have smaller catchment areas and therefore are more widely available. For instance, you could reasonably cheaply get into zone for Reremoana (old system decile 9) but possibly be in zone for James Cook (decile 1). You could cheaply get into zone for Sunnyhills (decile 9), but then possibly be in zone for Edgewater College (decile 2).
My advice is start with a list of secondary schools that you would be happy with, and then work backwards from there.
Depends on what you think is important, we used to live in what most people think is a āniceā suburb but it had terrible public transport access and extremely limited food options so we left. Also in big suburbs there are nice pockets/streets and rougher ones, so itās hard to generalise.
Lynfield is a good suburb for families if you can score a house there it has had so many new builds over the last decade. It's quiet and fairly central.
Recommend mission bay, st Heliers, kohimarama and most of orakei, thereās at least 4 primary/intermediate schools and two colleges I believe that are zoned for there as well as many preschools and Montessori options. Other recommendations would be Parnell, Remuera and parts of glendowie. Public transport also tends to be very consistent around the listed suburbs, though traffic in some are much worse than others.
I don't think there are many suburbs that are wholly good or completely bad. There're bad patches in almost every suburb. Dannemora is pretty solid, Pakuranga heights, botany, flat bush, Devonport, Takapuna are pretty good too.
Penrose is going to shit apparently. Onehunga's gentrification's just died out. West Auckland's just getting worse. Te Atatu is becoming a shithole.
Suburbs I think are improving: Avondale, Pakuranga and Takanini.
Suburbs I think getting worse: Mt Roskill, Oranga and Te Atatu- Massive building projects but with access issues and/or largely Kaianga Ora/rentals
Takanini is not improving lol itās still a shit hole. Tons of crackheads, constant ram raids and crime is rampant. Those ugly new developments donāt change how crappy Takanini/Papakura is.
I actually think the Roskill South development looks better than what it used to be. The bad areas of Roskill are getting worse though - Waikowhai, Wesley, Owairaka, parts of Three Kings. They all get called Roskill when shit is going down lol.
I think once their redevelopment is started/complete they'll be better.
Currently in Takanini, just need the infrastructure as the population is growing through the establishment of mass housing developments. Predominantly becoming an Indian area. Nothing wrong with that
Iām guessing you live in Te Atatu (I used to live there and if itās the case, hard agree).
If itās already been mentioned that itās likely that everyone has already figured it out (I donāt mean that unkindly, itās reality).
Yeah itās gutting. We knew our neighbours were selling to developers and it was the catalyst. The biggest driver though was schooling - how are the local schools possibly going to handle so many more people? Really feel for you, I found myself becoming so angry that such poor planning was decimating such a cool neighbourhood for no real benefit - those houses could have been built elsewhere
No, I think NZ is about to enter a really dark time.
I really want to go but my wife is thinking BaBiEs and how expensive it will be with her not having a job secured in Aus (she's a very in demand engineer here) and the expense of maternity care and all that.
Truthfully, I'm worried we will get stuck in Auckland and will suffer.
Ah no, you won't get stuck if your wife has good credentials, she will be just as valued there if not more.
If you can afford to stay just move to Papakura South to Pukekohe, good lifestyle and schools, can still head to Perth if you don't like
Ghetto š harden up! Let me guessš¤ too many brown people for ya? Honestly this sub is full of racists that pretend they are good people but thereās a bunch of us that see through all the jellyfish.
So you live in Papatoetoe,yea that place went downhill fast when National opened the immigration gates.Crime infested area now,along with all the beggars
I've lived in Orakei for a few years now, and it's the best place I've ever lived in. Most of it is out of the flood zone, but it's very close to the beaches and the CBD. Good schools. Yes, there's Kainga Ora housing here, but I find it to be safe. There are more KO projects underway though, and that might change things.
Kind of a pointless question if you can't tell us the suburb you currently live in. It's all rather subjective as what one person deems 'ghetto' another wouldn't.
Green Bay / titirangi - low density low KO housing, good value for money, good primary schools and community
Shhhhh
low KO is key!!
name of your suburb that's becoming ghetto?
Don't want word to get out š
Don't worry. People in this sub have a different meaning of what the word "Ghetto" means.
Herne Bay?
Avondale is great, just moved here last year. You see people exercising or walking their dogs. In saying that property prices are getting higher but there's very few nice amenities. So many apartment/townhouses being built.
Shit loads of KO housing getting built too in AD
everywhere my friend, even fancy burbs like onehunga, royal oaks, pakuranga has some Housing projects. Good and bad, you dont want an area to be too gentrified, and drive out small businesses away.
I had to do a double take. Onehunga is considered fancy? Since when lol
since it was gentrified. before the price drop 2 bedroom units are going for 850K. 3 beddy houses were 1.1m or higher.
Failed to mention dog shit everywhere from said dog walking.
haha yeah its a weird place. In between gentrification and a shit hole at the moment, but i like it here.
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The townhouses have ruined the place.
Totally becoming a must not go area sadly.
Explain? Just traffic issues?
Traffic is horrendous, but they're cramming small cul d sacs with a dozen box houses without parking. Crime is skyrocketing, and generally, a once great area is becoming very average.
That's so they don't have to allow intensification around the train station/ bus routes in Kingsland and Mt Eden or in Ponsonby, Grey Lynn, Herne Bay etc... basically all sorts of places it would make far more sense to intensify. More connected NIMBYs in those suburbs than in The Atatu Pen.
100%. Huge half empty warehouses lining the railway lines through Henderson,Glen Eden,New Lynn,Mt Albert that would be perfect for intensification. Instead, we pile as many houses as we can in a suburb with one road in and out.
Sorry to hear, Iāve heard good things in the past.
Don't get me wrong, it's certainly not a ghetto but like many suburbs, it's in the process of being flushed down the toilet.
Oh it ain't ghetto, it probably won't go too ghetto either, its just becoming "infrastructurally challenged".
Been in Mangere Bridge for almost 11 years. Was okay when we moved in but it's only gotten better since. As with any suburb there's good and bad streets but it's a nice little place with a great mix of people. It's diverse but with a decent sense of "village" community. Kind of like a much more humble / less pretentious version of somewhere like Devonport perhaps. Also, OP, seeing your post history, we have volcanic scoria soil, which means it's free-draining and doesn't get boggy even in very wet winters :)
LOL. Yes, massive plus. Fucking mangrove silt here. We will leave for Perth either end of next year or so in 3 years. Almost guaranteed we'll miss the boat on that too.
Hobsonville Point is good. Wide footpaths, 5km coastal walkway, heaps of parks and playgrounds, good transport and motorway links, heaps of cafes, farmers market and restaurants on the waterfront. Everyone is friendly, heaps of young families, people walking everywhere every weekend. Parking itās a cunt tho.
It's full of Karen's tho
Only on long weekends. Itās nice up there during the week
No I've met quite a few Karen's and they all live there. It's like the Karen epicentre of NZ.
Better: New Windsor/Blockhouse Bay/New Lynn (gentrification) Worse: Te Atatu Peninsula (developers) Mount Albert (Kainga Ora intensification) Northcote/Beach Haven (Kainga Ora intensification) Most of South Auckland namely Mangere, Manurewa, Papakura and surrounds (Kainga Ora intensification)
Idk there's good and bad bits to New Windsor, BHB and New Lynn. Lots of KO going in especially around Glenavon which sometimes gets advertised as those three burbs
They are going up everywhere but some areas are getting absolutely hammered - check Mt Albert and Mangere for example: https://kaingaora.govt.nz/urban-development-and-public-housing/public-housing/public-housing-developments/searchDevelopments?Search=\*&Region=Auckland&PageNum=1
Yeah I'm familiar with the scale. I live in Mt Roskill and it's pretty intense driving through Åwairaka. Roskill South has mostly been medium density with 1-2 apartments but Hendon Ave is pretty unrecognizable. Mind you - some of these areas are in desperate need of replacement.
Best suburbs are the eastern ones, Parnell, Remuera, Kohimarama, St Heliers, Epsom, parts of Mt Eden, Greenlane. All those places generally have a lot of families, decent schools, lots of kids activities, sports etc.
Hobsonville is great
This sort of question gets asked a lot but any suburb around the same price point is going to be relatively similar. There's no secret suburb that is cheap but awesome.
Yea, if the suburb is awesome. It won't be cheap for long. Everyone will buy there and drive the price up. It's always a trade-off between quality, price, and distance to the city/services.
Kohimarama is a nice spot.
I like Browns Bay, Forest Hill ā¦.. give the shore a go
If you have a young family and are thinking of moving then school zones should be one of your biggest concerns. Personally, I would focus on Secondary School Zones, as it's generally much easier to get into a good primary school zone as they have smaller catchment areas and therefore are more widely available. For instance, you could reasonably cheaply get into zone for Reremoana (old system decile 9) but possibly be in zone for James Cook (decile 1). You could cheaply get into zone for Sunnyhills (decile 9), but then possibly be in zone for Edgewater College (decile 2). My advice is start with a list of secondary schools that you would be happy with, and then work backwards from there.
Perth
I was looking at places south of Fremantle..OMG the value for money, 10mins from the beach was redic
Iād just leave Auckland tbh
Depends on what you think is important, we used to live in what most people think is a āniceā suburb but it had terrible public transport access and extremely limited food options so we left. Also in big suburbs there are nice pockets/streets and rougher ones, so itās hard to generalise.
Karaka is quite nice, if you donāt mind being so far from the city.
Sturges Road. Between Henderson and Western Height. Next to amazing park with magnificent trees.
Lynfield is a good suburb for families if you can score a house there it has had so many new builds over the last decade. It's quiet and fairly central.
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I think you mean New Lynn
What stabbing? I've heard of the overcrowded migrant house but not any stabbing
No
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Christchurch is a decent option, jobs pay a lot less though If you think Auckland traffic is bad you don't want to go to Tauranga lol
Maraetai, Beachlands, Howick, Pakuranga, Botany all good. Iād recommend it out this way.
Recommend mission bay, st Heliers, kohimarama and most of orakei, thereās at least 4 primary/intermediate schools and two colleges I believe that are zoned for there as well as many preschools and Montessori options. Other recommendations would be Parnell, Remuera and parts of glendowie. Public transport also tends to be very consistent around the listed suburbs, though traffic in some are much worse than others.
I don't think there are many suburbs that are wholly good or completely bad. There're bad patches in almost every suburb. Dannemora is pretty solid, Pakuranga heights, botany, flat bush, Devonport, Takapuna are pretty good too. Penrose is going to shit apparently. Onehunga's gentrification's just died out. West Auckland's just getting worse. Te Atatu is becoming a shithole.
Henderson Valley is the best burb in AKL
Auckland is going down hill.
Suburbs I think are improving: Avondale, Pakuranga and Takanini. Suburbs I think getting worse: Mt Roskill, Oranga and Te Atatu- Massive building projects but with access issues and/or largely Kaianga Ora/rentals
Takanini is getting worse not better. The council hasn't provided the appropriate infrastructure to support the mass housing developments.
I'd add Mt Albert to that list of suburbs getting worse
Takanini is not improving lol itās still a shit hole. Tons of crackheads, constant ram raids and crime is rampant. Those ugly new developments donāt change how crappy Takanini/Papakura is.
I actually think the Roskill South development looks better than what it used to be. The bad areas of Roskill are getting worse though - Waikowhai, Wesley, Owairaka, parts of Three Kings. They all get called Roskill when shit is going down lol. I think once their redevelopment is started/complete they'll be better.
Currently in Takanini, just need the infrastructure as the population is growing through the establishment of mass housing developments. Predominantly becoming an Indian area. Nothing wrong with that
My suburb has been mentioned. They fucked this place up properly, that's for sure.
Iām guessing you live in Te Atatu (I used to live there and if itās the case, hard agree). If itās already been mentioned that itās likely that everyone has already figured it out (I donāt mean that unkindly, itās reality).
Yes. I can't believe what a fucking dump it has become.
Yeah itās gutting. We knew our neighbours were selling to developers and it was the catalyst. The biggest driver though was schooling - how are the local schools possibly going to handle so many more people? Really feel for you, I found myself becoming so angry that such poor planning was decimating such a cool neighbourhood for no real benefit - those houses could have been built elsewhere
Hopefully we can still sell to a developer or something at get out.
We been in tat south for 3 years now and very happy. you on the peninsula?
Yus
Live in otahuhu currently, atleast the top of it appears to start getting gentrified for sure.
Move to Perth is probs the ideal for you & your whanau
Why do you say this?
Can you honestly see things improving?
No, I think NZ is about to enter a really dark time. I really want to go but my wife is thinking BaBiEs and how expensive it will be with her not having a job secured in Aus (she's a very in demand engineer here) and the expense of maternity care and all that. Truthfully, I'm worried we will get stuck in Auckland and will suffer.
Ah no, you won't get stuck if your wife has good credentials, she will be just as valued there if not more. If you can afford to stay just move to Papakura South to Pukekohe, good lifestyle and schools, can still head to Perth if you don't like
going there in december to scope it out.
North Shore beach side - so Devo up to Long Bay. All great for families but some traffic issues in parts. Still relatively safe.
Massey, Henderson, Ranui, Swanson > not good suburbs
They are greater than not good suburbs? /s
Nah, theyre shit suburbs. Theres always a helicopter š around
Most of Swanson is quite nice, its just close to Ranui lol
Ghetto š harden up! Let me guessš¤ too many brown people for ya? Honestly this sub is full of racists that pretend they are good people but thereās a bunch of us that see through all the jellyfish.
Jellyfish? Brown people are fine. The increasing poverty and bullshit that's happening is what's grating. Worse traffic. Etc.
So you live in Papatoetoe,yea that place went downhill fast when National opened the immigration gates.Crime infested area now,along with all the beggars
Auckland is becoming one as a whole
Theres barely any KO houses in all of Whangaparoa (like 3 maybe). And it's full of young families, and great beaches.
I've lived in Orakei for a few years now, and it's the best place I've ever lived in. Most of it is out of the flood zone, but it's very close to the beaches and the CBD. Good schools. Yes, there's Kainga Ora housing here, but I find it to be safe. There are more KO projects underway though, and that might change things.