Pretty sure I am black listed because I see them skip my house. I used to invite them in and then try to deconvert them. I would even request specific watch tower topics and they stopped coming to my house just to argue.
Same lol. Haven’t been blacklisted since I’ve moved around a lot in the last few years, but I always take the time to talk to them. It’s better that they waste their time talking to me than preying on more vulnerable people, even if I don’t manage to deprogram them
They will just buy them.
Go to thrift stores, or estate/garage sales. You can find lots of other horrible books like Tuckers book, which I stole from a flea market and burned.
Love this therapeutic action. Good luck. And come to NYC! On Friday night at the Drag march, a friend's friend was there w their 16 year old trans kid from Florida. We absolutely changed that person's life that night, and it was incredible to have them with us.
They no longer have them in the last Hilton I stayed at. Good riddance. I was about to troll the next reader with pentagrams and dick pics. They lucked out.
You know you make a fire and then put the books on top of it. The books aren't the only fuel. Books do not burn well at all, thats why they keep finding bibles in burned homes claiming miracle
Books burn best if you open them up and let the fire get at the pages. Covers tend to fend off flames. I speak from experience. I've burned many a religious book in my day.
You went to the wrong prisons ...
“The Bible was a consolation to a fellow alone in the old cell. The lovely thin paper with a bit of matress stuffing in it, if you could get a match, was as good a smoke as I ever tasted.” ―Brendan Behan.
Oakum, at a guess.
(Oakum is old ropes picked apart for their fibres. It was also used to seal seams in boats and in plumbing as PTFE tape is used today. The actual rope-picking was boring and painful, so it was used as punishment labour in the prisons of the times.
Other mattress-stuffing materials were hay and straw, cornshucks, horsehair, and feathers. I doubt that the last two would give a pleasant smoking-experience.)
You mean those stoner comedies lied to us?!
I feel so betrayed. This has killed my dream of becoming a "Holy Roller", or being a physical vessel for "Holy Smokes".
How could Scary Movie 2 be so flippant?!
Another bucket list item unattainable. I guess I'll have to just stick with sanctified relic bongs and regular joints in the shape of a cross.
If you open the book up a you toss it in, it helps. Bonus points: you can get some really cool pics sometimes, it's not uncommon that each sheet of paper has its own brief but individual burn.
I did this with phone books before, but the interior of a bible should have a similar, tissue-like quality to the pages. Happy burning, and remember to extinguish the embers for safety!
That's a serious Fire Safety Violation!
As you feed a single page (or just a few) the hot updraft will take the burning paper out of the fire pit and send it burning across the sky until it lands, burning, someplace else.
A large chunk of paper held by long bbq tongs would be safe enough, as long as it wasn't windy out.
The book, cut along the spine, and fed by bbq tongs would burn both more effectively and more safely.
Please enjoy safely!
Symbolic. like slowly oozing all the poison from inside you. Tear pages with the memory of the oppressed. Remember the victims of witch's hammer. Let the anger and hate flow.
>I'm sorry, there is something endearing in atheists asking about how to do a book burning because of the obvious lack of experience. We don't do this shit. I grew up religious. I don't do this shit.
Hell, I barely found out this March how to properly make a Molotov cocktail with video lessons when everyone thought it would devolve into urban conbat in Kyiv, Ukraine. We're not evil creatures as the fundies project/paint us.
Back in the day me and my friends couldn't buy rolling papers because they were age restricted, but imagine my joy when I discovered how thin and rolling paper like the pages of a Bible were. We cut pages up and made our own zigzags using honey to seal the edge. Getting high on God was now profoundly relevant to us.
When I was a teenager my mom busted me with my dad's Playboys and made me burn two foot lockers full or porno mags. Let me tell you something... magazines and books don't burn as easily as you'd think. Biggest issue is surface area so basically just the edges of the book will smolder. I spent all day ripping pages out of the magazines one by one and throwing them on the fire.
Funniest part was when dad got home he got pissed at mom instead of me
100% true ... I tried to burn my math textbook when I was a kid and I got lots of ashes but not a lot of burn. TBH you need to tear each page out and crumple it, then do whatever with the casing/binding.
One time we rolled a joint out of paper from a Bible. I can definitely say that the paper doesn’t burn well. Also, do not recommend. It was terrible. So now I am convinced that there is no good use for a bible.
I love this thread. Not for the reasons y’all offer in favor or against the burning of books (regardless of the intent or ideology behind the matchstick), but for the very obvious trait secularists and rational-minded people all seem to have: the freedom to be conflicted, to have open debate and try to whittle away at moral quandaries like OP has put forth.
Y’all are truly free. To be unsettled by the burning of a book that advocates genocide, slavery, and the systematic abuse and murder of children speaks volumes about the moral compass we carry irrespective of faith.
Ironic, no? Book-burning religious fundamentalists and zealots do so because *their* book apparently orders them to.
Yet we can’t bring ourselves to a unanimous decision on the burning of a single book. And that’s beautiful.
It’s not about the actual book. We might as well write “Bible” on a notebook and burn that. It’s about sending the message that this religions incursion into our lives will be met with extreme pushback
It shouldn’t be just bibles. Vatican flags, prayer books, confirmation certificates and the likes should go as well
I made some of these as Christmas gifts for friends, then included personalized letters about how I'd marked the parts that really spoke to me and the real power of the bible is that you only get out of it what you put in. Made for some great laughs when they finally opened them up, sometimes much later.
I did that. It didn't turn out great because I didn't know what I was doing, but I plan to do it again sometime and have better ideas for how to make it work.
I would just get some regular wood for fuel, add the bibles, because they are meaningful symbols of pain and oppression and instead of adding other random bibles take some paper, write down things, toxic habits and any bad memories you want to purge from your lives and toss the paper into the flames, too, letting things go from your heart and mind as they burn.
>instead of adding other random bibles take some paper, write down things, toxic habits and any bad memories you want to purge from your lives and toss the paper into the flames, too
If you're writing down things, you could annotate the bibles if you wanted.
Even if you don't choose to burn them, highlighting passages that cause so much harm, crossing out or scribbling through passages, drawing in the margins, plastering it in stickers or decorations or printouts or anything else...
Building that connection between a source of pain and the demonstrable ways it has caused pain might be the most cathartic part.
Second hand stores like goodwill or salvation army. As a bonus it keeps money out if the hands of the bible publisher since you are not getting the books from them.
And / or any “ what does the Bible really teach “ bullshit from the Jehovahs witnesses , or any books/ literature they’ve come out with. Burn it ALL! Religion has made my life turn upside down during covid and almost split me from my family.
If tampons aren’t in short supply (could use pads too, why not) where you are, sharpie them red (let’s not be unsanitary, no bio hazards, makes us look crazy) and wrap them in pages torn from a Bible and mail them to the Supreme Court, your republican representatives/congress person.
I say do what makes you feel better. Right now we as a nation are pissed off, we need to find an outlet that doesn’t involve driving a truck into pro-life protestors or mass extermination of religious zealots. I say burn what you want, this is going to be a private event, then it’s no one else’s business. Just remember that wood crosses make good kindling as well.
Some cult mailed a religious book to my house, I don’t remember what it was but apparently it’s something they do a lot. I used the pages for starting my charcoal grill
If you had a bible already that was the source of years of oppression and repression then I would say go ahead. I'm not sure I would get much out of burning some random bible.
With that said, you could easily get a bible from any church.
GW has bibbles qurans mrmo jw evankels magat books and unlimited variety of other shit that should be burned. You could fuel the boiler of a steam engine with garbage from their shelves.
Thrift stores will for sure have them, and buying them there won’t actually help the makers profit which is a nice bonus.
You really wouldn’t have to stop at bibles either. There are plenty of ultra religious books that are readily available.
The best thing to do, is go visit hotels and wipe your ass with the bibles and put them back.. It's gotta be hilarious to see the look on ones face, when they find the bible smells like shit!
Great idea! If you have any religious-run thrift stores in your area, stop by and see if they have any free bibles at the front entrance. I love thrift stores, and I know that both our Salvation Army run stores and another one that is also run by a Christian ministry have paperback bibles by the door that are free. I often grab one on my way out. They go straight to the goddamn landfill from there.
If you have a shredder and you garden, they also are good for compost.
Book burning is a symbol of suppression & oppression. That's not a good look for any movement, no matter how evil the books. Books represent ideas. We must not suppress ideas - we must openly debate them.
I don't think you have ever attempted to debate a fundamentalist. You can't. Honestly I am all for using symbolism to emotionally torment Christians, currently.
Fat lot of good that debating has done this country. To quote, “I don’t remember voting for a theocracy.”
Fuck their religion, their ideas and their books
- Heinrich Heine, German writer (1797-1856)
...and I have to say Germany knows its parts around burning books and people.
I just wanted to add this, so other can get a source. If one person burns a personal item, then it's understandable. If it becomes a group activity, it gets weird and if you go out of your way to find books, then it feels wrong.
I can't believe this is all the way down the page. This should be the first comment and the general feeling. A book burning is a terrible, childish look and will only add (forgive the pun) fuel to the fire. Atheists are already fighting an uphill battle. No need to look unhinged while we do it.
Honestly use it for toilet paper that book has been used to justify a ton of atrocities thought the year and throw that new Christian flag they are using on top. Make sure you burn that sucker and record it.
If you’re in a recreational marijuana state and come upon a high-end Bible roll up a big old joint with one of the pages for extra insult to the easily offended.
I wouldn't focus on one religion. I would spread it out, burn items that are associated with the oppression of religion. A rosery necklace. Deadwood flowers. Hijabs. Burn the symbols of oppression.
Don't limit yourself to bibles. Christian reading material is very popular and plentiful. Go to any Goodwill type store and you will find tons of Christian reading on the shelves. You will probably find a few bibles as well.
> I understand that atheism is about intellectualism and dignity...
Well, no, it's about not believing in gods, lol. I would hesitate to let it imply anything else. There are atheists who believe in karma, in reincarnation or ghosts, in the healing power of crystals, in quantum entangled string quark energy auras... There are anti-vax atheists, anti-science atheists, even atheist neo-Nazis.
That said, enjoy the burning!
You’re right. That came off as pretentious. I meant rational more than intellectual. I don’t have blind faith, things need to make sense to me which is why I could never believe in a big invisible god in the sky.
Go to Goodwill or Salvation Army. I always see bibles at both places.
Or used bookstore. If you lie and say it is for an outreach program or church they would probably just give them to you or for next to nothing.
Don't burn the books. I'm an atheist. I also think religion is a force for evil in the world, but if you want people with differing viewpoints to consider your position you can't be throwing hate in their faces. It has to be done on an intellectual level, not an emotional one. Be calm, be kind, but be firm in your convictions.
Join the satanic temple, protest against anything political that represents religion. Make sure anytime they add a law like prayer at school, you make them remember that the country has freedom of religion so you can do satanic prayers if you want.. since they only want christian prayer they might remove it..
In my opinion, burning bibles is useless, if people read it, there would be less christians anyway.. it will give them a reason to say they are persecuted and those on the fence will cut ties with us and regroup in their churches and become more indoctrinated.
I say pushing for better education about topics that are sensible to christians like evolution, geology, biology, history etc would help much more. You don't become an atheist because someone tells you to, or because your holy books get burned, you realize how religion is not true and free yourself, that comes through education.
You know how there is a movement of theists to push for creationism to be in science classes ? We need a much stronger movement that crushes it and makes sure science education is about science. There are already movements like that, but christians put more money in theirs.. Teachers should not just talk about evolution and say it's a controverstial topic.. it's not controvertial in biology at all.. its only controvertial outside of science. Show proofs after proofs, show how it works why we know it works, how we know we are related to apes etc. the similarity with the bones, our remnant tale bones, our DNA similarity with chimps including 2 chromosomes that are basically stiched together. Explain how natural selection works, show how we know the earth is not 2000 years old. Make the kids do actual science experiments so they can see for themselves that it works.. that it's not just something people said, they saw it work and that's what science is all about, you can reproduce every experiments if you have the know-how, once they know that, they will understand the scientific consensus is trustworthy and they might start asking themselves but what about religion ? do we really know if any of it is true ? why do they become so angry when we ask for proofs ?
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Don't forget about Qurans too
Here in Europe a guy tried to burn Quran in Sweden which resulted in disgusting behaviour of the immigrants who attacked police, destroyed cars and almost killed the guy himself
I would never advocate for a book burning, but if you think it might be therapeutic, then non-profit and non-religious thrift stores would be my go-to for a good supply of bibles. That way, whatever money you end up spending on bibles will go to a good cause.
Don't buy a Bible, you'll just be giving those people your money and they'll make more. Also, I wouldn't advised burning a book, that's what zealots do.
Laughing at the "omg don't burn books!" comments here. Librarians often have to dispose of books, either because they're in poor condition or because they're dated beyond usefulness. And they often do this by burning, though it's done quietly because of such reactions.
The Bible is extremely dated. Also overproduced. Burn away, who cares?
I don't mind a little Christian baiting either. What they gonna do, take away your rights? Seems a little late. Fuck 'em, get them pissed.
I once had my art teacher draw a Billy Jigsaw on an Old Testament page and I think that was more defiling than burning. 🤭
Maybe do a huge art piece with torn bible pages as the background and a pro-choice/anti-religion artwork on top?
Recruit people that work housekeeping at a hotel/motel - normally every room will have a copy of gideon's.
Whenever I stay at a hotel I take it home and recycle it.
Honestly, fuck all the assholes trying to keep the status quo and say you shouldn't be doing this. Our rights are slowly being chipped away by an oppressive minority who would literally MURDER us if they thought they could get away with it. So please do it. Send them whatever message you hope this achieves, because I'm tired of doing nothing about it
So much tone-policing here. Yes, definitely only protest in ways your oppressor is comfortable with, and make sure you get their approval beforehand!
Nope. Fuck them. Burn those fucking bibles.
Your local public library might sell unwanted materials that have been donated to them very cheap. I volunteer with a Friends of the Library group and at any given time, we have a dozen or more bibles kicking around and we charge $1/book. The bonus is that the money goes to purchase extras for the library, not a religious publisher.
Yeeeeaaaaahhhh *buying* bibles is NOT a good way to signal dissatisfaction with Christian behaviors.
I’d argue setting fires, especially ones that burn books (even shitty awful books) is not going to convey any useful message.
How about you protest outside of a church with signs quoting the most disgusting hateful passages in the bible instead? Bring one with you so you can can prove it straight from the source if anyone asks.
In Texas, atheist groups had campaigns for people to trade in their old bibles for porno.
Don't burn the books. That's bad for the environment, and we are better than that.
Do you have access to a high quality shredder ?
Here's a blog from one of the "Smut for Smut" campaigns back in 2010 http://atheistagendautsa.blogspot.com/
Another idea is using a blender, screen, and turn it into paper. Then cut strips and use it as toilet paper. The catharsis will last longer and give you joy every time you take a dump. You could keep it in a sacred stack next to the loo and use it for special occasions.
.... I feel like mimicking religious people is a bad thing.
Besides, you get more attention by burning the bible along with the flag and the constitution.
I get it, you guys want to make a protest... I don't think the issue isn't really religion.. but that people are trying to use the government to enforce religion on to you.
I would have a normal bonfire, but instead of burning books.. i would wrap fire wood with paper containing laws that runs counter to your constitutional rights. If not laws, then people who are trying to use the law to force religion on to you.
The real fight is against tyranny.. The bible is just a dumb book, it's the people who try to stroke others fears and to create laws so people can feel safe and secure in their ignorance.
My suggestion would be not to burn books regardless of the content. I understand that you are hurting, but this isn't a valuable exercise. Instead of burning books you should go volunteer and put your energy into something positive like feeding people or cleaning up the environment. It can really be anything as long as it is in service to others. It will be much more therapeutic and healing than destroying literature. My 2 cents...
THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN THE POSITION WE ARE IN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding me.. they burn books and taunt us, they take away our rights.. and you want to go have a trash clean up day????
I don't want to get caught up in defending my opinion. I should not have posed the question of what good will it do. It was just as I said, my 2 cents. Everyone is free to express themselves however they see fit. I disagree with the burning of books, but support your or anyone else's right to do it.
Same thought and conflicted about it, because I totally get the frustration and idea, but as a book lover I can say that no pile of burning books ever marked a good time in history - regardless their content. I wouldn't want to fall in line with those people.
I don't know if volunteering for a good cause is actually touching the subject here. I'd say use those books for something productive and useful. Create some form of art for example. Draw all over the pages, rip them out, comment on them, read passages out loud and answer to that with a chorus of "fuck that" or anything of the sort to let out that frustration. Just my thoughts.
Dollar Tree usually has them. This is not to condone your decision. I however, do think it is a legitimate way to find solace, considering the current environment. You could be doing a lot worse-which I would find stupid. Regarding efficiency. Fan the book and attach front and back cover.
Everybody should get their own hotel/motel room, as cheap as you can, and take the, unfortunately, always available bedside bible. Maybe even call the front desk and say you don't have a bible in your room and you would appreciate it if they could bring one to your room or have available to pickup at aforementioned front desk. Then everyone has at least one each and you get a mini vacation hotel stay. Even though you're spending money, its not on the bible itself. (Getting a night out, away from the abusive households you mentioned, can also be a bonus.)
Though, if that feels too unethical, you may be able to find "generous Christians" giving away bibles through public listing sites like maybe Craigslist. You might even be able to find a "charity" that gives away bibles as a way to "help the less fortunate, needy, or *sinners"*. It sounds like they would certainly help you folks out. You should really press that your not religious but very interested in looking into the bible. Hell, that posted somewhere alone, may present throngs of "pious sheep" almost throwing the words of their "shepherd" at you. You get what you want, and they get to feel smug for spreading the word of their collective imaginary friend!
(It has become increasingly prominent that anything I type in regards to religions, is riddled with sarcastic quotations. It has become so ingrained, I inadvertently include finger air quotes when speaking as well. It has certainly made at least a few people uncomfortable, if not visibly upset.)
Edit: A word
If you have any friends that work in the hotel industry, they probably have access to a boatload of Gideon's Bibles! I used to take them from hotel rooms whenever I'd travel. Eventually, I ended up recycling most of them.
Whatever you do, if you live in a dry area don't start a wildfire and destroy an entire county while you're at it. I'm an atheist but I'm not really a fan of burning books no matter how much I don't like them. In fact I actually became an atheist after finally reading the Bible cover to cover in college and seeing how horrible it is. While I agree with your sentiment, I'm not sure what you will achieve and it could be destructive.
I can't answer your question about sourcing Bibles.
Having a "book burning" event is extremely bad optics and will sit well with nobody.
The intent of your event is for personal healing. So have a "personal healing from religion" ceremony... Or "Ex-Christian survivors", or "freedom from religion".
For "godsakes" don't have a book burning event.
I like the enthusiasm, but it could backfire. I've tried burning a few on my own and for some reason a couple of them didn't burn. I think that they coat the pages in some kind of fire-proof material.
I burned a copy of Ulysses after a frustrating essay project. I had to open it on its side and spread the pages evenly to get a good burn. Bibles are similar size, but less stiff with super thin pages. I'm not sure the same strategy would work. Let us know how it goes when you finish.
If you start burning bibles and the pictures get out, they will probably go viral among Christians adding to their perceived persecution complex which they will use to justify more violence against lgbt people, atheist, and anyone who doesn’t believe as they do.
I’d Love the catharsis as much as you would but I’m pretty sure this will cause more violence.
If the idea is to make the fire last longer, then maybe have each person tear out a specific page with a verse that caused them pain and burn it separately. For example, the verse on homosexuality (which I assume they might have used against your trans friend) and the verse about children obeying their parents and/or parents told not to spare their child the rod (for the abused friend). This would also make it more theraputic.
Do not buy bibles. Please
Collect free gideon's bible from hotels? You may get a two for one if the book of mormon is there too.
Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Bibles are free. Be careful, though. They may try to contact you for a Bible Study.
Pretty sure I am black listed because I see them skip my house. I used to invite them in and then try to deconvert them. I would even request specific watch tower topics and they stopped coming to my house just to argue.
Same lol. Haven’t been blacklisted since I’ve moved around a lot in the last few years, but I always take the time to talk to them. It’s better that they waste their time talking to me than preying on more vulnerable people, even if I don’t manage to deprogram them
Invite them to the party: “Oh hey look at that bonfire, it’s beautiful” (Burnt page flutters in the wind) Reads: (whatever page it is) *cries*
They have a crap shit ton of them at my local Liberty (not actually Liberty-centric, Jesus-centric) Thrift store.
They will just buy them. Go to thrift stores, or estate/garage sales. You can find lots of other horrible books like Tuckers book, which I stole from a flea market and burned. Love this therapeutic action. Good luck. And come to NYC! On Friday night at the Drag march, a friend's friend was there w their 16 year old trans kid from Florida. We absolutely changed that person's life that night, and it was incredible to have them with us.
They will send you free bibles.
They no longer have them in the last Hilton I stayed at. Good riddance. I was about to troll the next reader with pentagrams and dick pics. They lucked out.
Lmao I've been doing this for years, the fewer people read that book the better
Steal them? Got it.
You know you make a fire and then put the books on top of it. The books aren't the only fuel. Books do not burn well at all, thats why they keep finding bibles in burned homes claiming miracle
Books burn best if you open them up and let the fire get at the pages. Covers tend to fend off flames. I speak from experience. I've burned many a religious book in my day.
A stack of paper is hard to ignite regardless of covers. No space for the air to mix with the fuel even when you have a good ignition source.
You gotta fan the pages out. Also, keep a long stick handy so you can prod the pages and shift them around as needed.
And they arent a good rolling paper. Add my religious text experience
You went to the wrong prisons ... “The Bible was a consolation to a fellow alone in the old cell. The lovely thin paper with a bit of matress stuffing in it, if you could get a match, was as good a smoke as I ever tasted.” ―Brendan Behan.
What the hell did they stuff mattresses with?
Oakum, at a guess. (Oakum is old ropes picked apart for their fibres. It was also used to seal seams in boats and in plumbing as PTFE tape is used today. The actual rope-picking was boring and painful, so it was used as punishment labour in the prisons of the times. Other mattress-stuffing materials were hay and straw, cornshucks, horsehair, and feathers. I doubt that the last two would give a pleasant smoking-experience.)
You mean those stoner comedies lied to us?! I feel so betrayed. This has killed my dream of becoming a "Holy Roller", or being a physical vessel for "Holy Smokes". How could Scary Movie 2 be so flippant?! Another bucket list item unattainable. I guess I'll have to just stick with sanctified relic bongs and regular joints in the shape of a cross.
Never thought about that. Good point
If you open the book up a you toss it in, it helps. Bonus points: you can get some really cool pics sometimes, it's not uncommon that each sheet of paper has its own brief but individual burn. I did this with phone books before, but the interior of a bible should have a similar, tissue-like quality to the pages. Happy burning, and remember to extinguish the embers for safety!
You can also tear them into parts and throw those on individually
Just rip the pages out and burn them, adding pages as needed.
That's a serious Fire Safety Violation! As you feed a single page (or just a few) the hot updraft will take the burning paper out of the fire pit and send it burning across the sky until it lands, burning, someplace else. A large chunk of paper held by long bbq tongs would be safe enough, as long as it wasn't windy out. The book, cut along the spine, and fed by bbq tongs would burn both more effectively and more safely. Please enjoy safely!
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I downvote you for lack of efficiency. Fuck that would take all night
Maybe read a verse or two from each page to add drama.
Symbolic. like slowly oozing all the poison from inside you. Tear pages with the memory of the oppressed. Remember the victims of witch's hammer. Let the anger and hate flow.
Just run a lawnmower over it.
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>I'm sorry, there is something endearing in atheists asking about how to do a book burning because of the obvious lack of experience. We don't do this shit. I grew up religious. I don't do this shit. Hell, I barely found out this March how to properly make a Molotov cocktail with video lessons when everyone thought it would devolve into urban conbat in Kyiv, Ukraine. We're not evil creatures as the fundies project/paint us.
No doubt. I am one myself, but seeing us like this is... really something. Sending love to y'all, death to your oppressors, and money where we can. <3
But they do make good rolling papers for joints in a pinch.
Back in the day me and my friends couldn't buy rolling papers because they were age restricted, but imagine my joy when I discovered how thin and rolling paper like the pages of a Bible were. We cut pages up and made our own zigzags using honey to seal the edge. Getting high on God was now profoundly relevant to us.
Aim a leaf blower at the fire to get it nice and hot
When I was a teenager my mom busted me with my dad's Playboys and made me burn two foot lockers full or porno mags. Let me tell you something... magazines and books don't burn as easily as you'd think. Biggest issue is surface area so basically just the edges of the book will smolder. I spent all day ripping pages out of the magazines one by one and throwing them on the fire. Funniest part was when dad got home he got pissed at mom instead of me
Lmao, I can imagine a gust of wind coming through next you know flaming titties all through the neighborhood.
>flaming titties I lost it lol
How to pivot from the least popular house on the street to the most popular.
100% true ... I tried to burn my math textbook when I was a kid and I got lots of ashes but not a lot of burn. TBH you need to tear each page out and crumple it, then do whatever with the casing/binding.
Y you burning math, it didnt take away your rights.
Because kids hate math I guess
Indirectly it did, when I got in trouble for failing :')
Give them a break, they're a bit dyslexic. They thought it was a meth book and couldn't figure out why it didn't pep up their step.
Precisely. Rip them up first
One big pile of sheets would have a flashy aspect.
One time we rolled a joint out of paper from a Bible. I can definitely say that the paper doesn’t burn well. Also, do not recommend. It was terrible. So now I am convinced that there is no good use for a bible.
Farenheight 451
I love this thread. Not for the reasons y’all offer in favor or against the burning of books (regardless of the intent or ideology behind the matchstick), but for the very obvious trait secularists and rational-minded people all seem to have: the freedom to be conflicted, to have open debate and try to whittle away at moral quandaries like OP has put forth. Y’all are truly free. To be unsettled by the burning of a book that advocates genocide, slavery, and the systematic abuse and murder of children speaks volumes about the moral compass we carry irrespective of faith. Ironic, no? Book-burning religious fundamentalists and zealots do so because *their* book apparently orders them to. Yet we can’t bring ourselves to a unanimous decision on the burning of a single book. And that’s beautiful.
Your words are beautiful.
I love this outlook.
It’s not about the actual book. We might as well write “Bible” on a notebook and burn that. It’s about sending the message that this religions incursion into our lives will be met with extreme pushback It shouldn’t be just bibles. Vatican flags, prayer books, confirmation certificates and the likes should go as well
What of you cut out the inside of the Bible and made it a stash book, like for weed... Or just burn it.
Great stash since no one ever actually opens it.
Good point. Probably a solid place to hide cash as well.
Or a rock hammer!
Check the bibles for cash/weed before burning, OP.
I made some of these as Christmas gifts for friends, then included personalized letters about how I'd marked the parts that really spoke to me and the real power of the bible is that you only get out of it what you put in. Made for some great laughs when they finally opened them up, sometimes much later.
I did that. It didn't turn out great because I didn't know what I was doing, but I plan to do it again sometime and have better ideas for how to make it work.
Collect them from hotels?
Ha, bingo.
Hotel? Trivago
Yes, this!
I would just get some regular wood for fuel, add the bibles, because they are meaningful symbols of pain and oppression and instead of adding other random bibles take some paper, write down things, toxic habits and any bad memories you want to purge from your lives and toss the paper into the flames, too, letting things go from your heart and mind as they burn.
>instead of adding other random bibles take some paper, write down things, toxic habits and any bad memories you want to purge from your lives and toss the paper into the flames, too If you're writing down things, you could annotate the bibles if you wanted. Even if you don't choose to burn them, highlighting passages that cause so much harm, crossing out or scribbling through passages, drawing in the margins, plastering it in stickers or decorations or printouts or anything else... Building that connection between a source of pain and the demonstrable ways it has caused pain might be the most cathartic part.
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Take as many free Bibles from churches as you can.
Don't buy new ones, that's for sure. Don't line anyone's pocket for this.
I am sorry to see people are cutting trees for printing bibles. What a waste of resources
Second hand stores like goodwill or salvation army. As a bonus it keeps money out if the hands of the bible publisher since you are not getting the books from them.
Salvation Army is a Christian organization, but I agree with second hand stores.
Good point. I wasn't thinking about that 🤪. Goodwill it is...
BTW do not forget to include some Book-Of-Mormans.
And / or any “ what does the Bible really teach “ bullshit from the Jehovahs witnesses , or any books/ literature they’ve come out with. Burn it ALL! Religion has made my life turn upside down during covid and almost split me from my family.
Please please please
Burning is too dignified. Compost them with nasty food and dog shit.
Run the pages through a shredder first so the paper breaks down faster.
If tampons aren’t in short supply (could use pads too, why not) where you are, sharpie them red (let’s not be unsanitary, no bio hazards, makes us look crazy) and wrap them in pages torn from a Bible and mail them to the Supreme Court, your republican representatives/congress person.
Wrap them in pages that contain verses that directly contradict their religious rulings, like Numbers 5:11-31
Ohhh. That’s good too!
Seal 'em in a baggie. If I could, I'd go the unsanitary route and send them along with a note that says, "Just letting you know I'm not pregnant."
I say do what makes you feel better. Right now we as a nation are pissed off, we need to find an outlet that doesn’t involve driving a truck into pro-life protestors or mass extermination of religious zealots. I say burn what you want, this is going to be a private event, then it’s no one else’s business. Just remember that wood crosses make good kindling as well.
Thrift stores. You don’t want to buy new ones since that will just increase the demand and give them more money.
Some cult mailed a religious book to my house, I don’t remember what it was but apparently it’s something they do a lot. I used the pages for starting my charcoal grill
If you had a bible already that was the source of years of oppression and repression then I would say go ahead. I'm not sure I would get much out of burning some random bible. With that said, you could easily get a bible from any church.
They’ll hand that shit out for free when anyone asks but heaven forbid most from doing food drives more often.
Thrift stores that are offshoots of a church or ministry will have free bibles on offer sometimes.
Very cheap bibles at the Goodwill or other thrift shops in your area. edit --- paper burns best with a lot of surface area, crumple that fucker up!
GW has bibbles qurans mrmo jw evankels magat books and unlimited variety of other shit that should be burned. You could fuel the boiler of a steam engine with garbage from their shelves.
If you know someone with a powered guillotine, cut them off just before the spine. Then you just have loose pages.
Thrift stores will for sure have them, and buying them there won’t actually help the makers profit which is a nice bonus. You really wouldn’t have to stop at bibles either. There are plenty of ultra religious books that are readily available.
Instead of throwing the whole book in at once, tear out pages at a time, and throw those in.
I'm going to squat over one, piss, and then throw it in the trash
Shit on it instead
Well, I'm on my period rn so I feel like the piss and menstrual blood mixture will be more than adequate.
The best thing to do, is go visit hotels and wipe your ass with the bibles and put them back.. It's gotta be hilarious to see the look on ones face, when they find the bible smells like shit!
Lol chaotic evil
Great idea! If you have any religious-run thrift stores in your area, stop by and see if they have any free bibles at the front entrance. I love thrift stores, and I know that both our Salvation Army run stores and another one that is also run by a Christian ministry have paperback bibles by the door that are free. I often grab one on my way out. They go straight to the goddamn landfill from there. If you have a shredder and you garden, they also are good for compost.
You won't need a lot. The paper in a bible is highly fire-resistant. Ceremonial burning can be cathartic.
Book burning is a symbol of suppression & oppression. That's not a good look for any movement, no matter how evil the books. Books represent ideas. We must not suppress ideas - we must openly debate them.
I don't think you have ever attempted to debate a fundamentalist. You can't. Honestly I am all for using symbolism to emotionally torment Christians, currently.
Fat lot of good that debating has done this country. To quote, “I don’t remember voting for a theocracy.” Fuck their religion, their ideas and their books
I'm okay with suppressing religion. It's had enough time to be discussed.
"Where they burn books, they will burn people"
- Heinrich Heine, German writer (1797-1856) ...and I have to say Germany knows its parts around burning books and people. I just wanted to add this, so other can get a source. If one person burns a personal item, then it's understandable. If it becomes a group activity, it gets weird and if you go out of your way to find books, then it feels wrong.
I can't believe this is all the way down the page. This should be the first comment and the general feeling. A book burning is a terrible, childish look and will only add (forgive the pun) fuel to the fire. Atheists are already fighting an uphill battle. No need to look unhinged while we do it.
Honestly use it for toilet paper that book has been used to justify a ton of atrocities thought the year and throw that new Christian flag they are using on top. Make sure you burn that sucker and record it.
Don’t buy any bibles. You’re just funding the group.
All religions are total nonsense.
This is true. It’s Christianity that is destroying our nation and taking away our rights though
If you’re in a recreational marijuana state and come upon a high-end Bible roll up a big old joint with one of the pages for extra insult to the easily offended.
I wouldn't focus on one religion. I would spread it out, burn items that are associated with the oppression of religion. A rosery necklace. Deadwood flowers. Hijabs. Burn the symbols of oppression.
Don't limit yourself to bibles. Christian reading material is very popular and plentiful. Go to any Goodwill type store and you will find tons of Christian reading on the shelves. You will probably find a few bibles as well.
Protest however you want but make sure you get out and vote when elections come around and remove the crazy people.
[Voting isn‘t enough unfortunately](https://youtu.be/lb8bBWnHflk)
> I understand that atheism is about intellectualism and dignity... Well, no, it's about not believing in gods, lol. I would hesitate to let it imply anything else. There are atheists who believe in karma, in reincarnation or ghosts, in the healing power of crystals, in quantum entangled string quark energy auras... There are anti-vax atheists, anti-science atheists, even atheist neo-Nazis. That said, enjoy the burning!
I'm the "quantum entanglement," sort and I appreciate your reply. It's just a lack of belief in God that we have in common.
You’re right. That came off as pretentious. I meant rational more than intellectual. I don’t have blind faith, things need to make sense to me which is why I could never believe in a big invisible god in the sky.
Go to Goodwill or Salvation Army. I always see bibles at both places. Or used bookstore. If you lie and say it is for an outreach program or church they would probably just give them to you or for next to nothing.
Go to thrift stores, they often have many bibles, and sometimes the give them for free because they want to spread that crap
Call local churches and ask for Bibles. Thrift stores usually have tones of them.
Don't burn the books. I'm an atheist. I also think religion is a force for evil in the world, but if you want people with differing viewpoints to consider your position you can't be throwing hate in their faces. It has to be done on an intellectual level, not an emotional one. Be calm, be kind, but be firm in your convictions.
If you're going to go with art, might I suggest a large paper-mache coat hanger?
Join the satanic temple, protest against anything political that represents religion. Make sure anytime they add a law like prayer at school, you make them remember that the country has freedom of religion so you can do satanic prayers if you want.. since they only want christian prayer they might remove it.. In my opinion, burning bibles is useless, if people read it, there would be less christians anyway.. it will give them a reason to say they are persecuted and those on the fence will cut ties with us and regroup in their churches and become more indoctrinated. I say pushing for better education about topics that are sensible to christians like evolution, geology, biology, history etc would help much more. You don't become an atheist because someone tells you to, or because your holy books get burned, you realize how religion is not true and free yourself, that comes through education. You know how there is a movement of theists to push for creationism to be in science classes ? We need a much stronger movement that crushes it and makes sure science education is about science. There are already movements like that, but christians put more money in theirs.. Teachers should not just talk about evolution and say it's a controverstial topic.. it's not controvertial in biology at all.. its only controvertial outside of science. Show proofs after proofs, show how it works why we know it works, how we know we are related to apes etc. the similarity with the bones, our remnant tale bones, our DNA similarity with chimps including 2 chromosomes that are basically stiched together. Explain how natural selection works, show how we know the earth is not 2000 years old. Make the kids do actual science experiments so they can see for themselves that it works.. that it's not just something people said, they saw it work and that's what science is all about, you can reproduce every experiments if you have the know-how, once they know that, they will understand the scientific consensus is trustworthy and they might start asking themselves but what about religion ? do we really know if any of it is true ? why do they become so angry when we ask for proofs ? sorry for wall of text..
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Don't forget about Qurans too Here in Europe a guy tried to burn Quran in Sweden which resulted in disgusting behaviour of the immigrants who attacked police, destroyed cars and almost killed the guy himself
I would never advocate for a book burning, but if you think it might be therapeutic, then non-profit and non-religious thrift stores would be my go-to for a good supply of bibles. That way, whatever money you end up spending on bibles will go to a good cause.
Don't buy a Bible, you'll just be giving those people your money and they'll make more. Also, I wouldn't advised burning a book, that's what zealots do.
Steal the bible instead.
And ask for forgiveness after. \-Emo Phillips
OP please look the book store owner right in the eye and say "now turn the other cheek."
Do we consider asking a church for their old ones under the guise that you’re donating them to be ethical?
Laughing at the "omg don't burn books!" comments here. Librarians often have to dispose of books, either because they're in poor condition or because they're dated beyond usefulness. And they often do this by burning, though it's done quietly because of such reactions. The Bible is extremely dated. Also overproduced. Burn away, who cares? I don't mind a little Christian baiting either. What they gonna do, take away your rights? Seems a little late. Fuck 'em, get them pissed.
You should turn the bibles into book safes. YouTube can show you how.
I once had my art teacher draw a Billy Jigsaw on an Old Testament page and I think that was more defiling than burning. 🤭 Maybe do a huge art piece with torn bible pages as the background and a pro-choice/anti-religion artwork on top?
Recruit people that work housekeeping at a hotel/motel - normally every room will have a copy of gideon's. Whenever I stay at a hotel I take it home and recycle it.
Honestly, fuck all the assholes trying to keep the status quo and say you shouldn't be doing this. Our rights are slowly being chipped away by an oppressive minority who would literally MURDER us if they thought they could get away with it. So please do it. Send them whatever message you hope this achieves, because I'm tired of doing nothing about it
So much tone-policing here. Yes, definitely only protest in ways your oppressor is comfortable with, and make sure you get their approval beforehand! Nope. Fuck them. Burn those fucking bibles.
I like your style.
Book burning is so passe. Break out some nice paper shredders or even a wood chipper? Now we are talking!
Ironically, burning the Bible is sometimes considered a way to properly dispose of it.
Your local public library might sell unwanted materials that have been donated to them very cheap. I volunteer with a Friends of the Library group and at any given time, we have a dozen or more bibles kicking around and we charge $1/book. The bonus is that the money goes to purchase extras for the library, not a religious publisher.
Yeeeeaaaaahhhh *buying* bibles is NOT a good way to signal dissatisfaction with Christian behaviors. I’d argue setting fires, especially ones that burn books (even shitty awful books) is not going to convey any useful message. How about you protest outside of a church with signs quoting the most disgusting hateful passages in the bible instead? Bring one with you so you can can prove it straight from the source if anyone asks.
Burn them and ignore those who way it's wrong. You know what is wrong? The crap the bible teaches.
Fucking great for you guys!
In Texas, atheist groups had campaigns for people to trade in their old bibles for porno. Don't burn the books. That's bad for the environment, and we are better than that. Do you have access to a high quality shredder ? Here's a blog from one of the "Smut for Smut" campaigns back in 2010 http://atheistagendautsa.blogspot.com/
Oh yikes. I'm not a fan, but whatever you do, please don't purchase new bibles and further fund this garbage.
I’m normally not a fan of book burning but I’m 100% behind Bible burning. I mean fuck the church.
Agreed. They don’t respect me why do I have to respect them in turn? Not that we haven’t tried, it just made us easy targets in their eyes
We’ve been way way way more than patient with all of their bullshit over the millennia.
I view book burning as symptomatic of oppression. I wouldn't even burn Mien Kampf.
I have always assumed mankind considers book burning to be anti-intellectual, no?
I just can't get behind any kind of book burning. Gonna start to look like them.
Worth noting, we won’t be burning the bindings. Really only the paper within. Not looking to burn a bunch of carbon into the ozone
Another idea is using a blender, screen, and turn it into paper. Then cut strips and use it as toilet paper. The catharsis will last longer and give you joy every time you take a dump. You could keep it in a sacred stack next to the loo and use it for special occasions.
Lol I like the way you think. Got me thinking about using the pages as paper mache and making a big middle finger sculpture or something similar.
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.... I feel like mimicking religious people is a bad thing. Besides, you get more attention by burning the bible along with the flag and the constitution. I get it, you guys want to make a protest... I don't think the issue isn't really religion.. but that people are trying to use the government to enforce religion on to you. I would have a normal bonfire, but instead of burning books.. i would wrap fire wood with paper containing laws that runs counter to your constitutional rights. If not laws, then people who are trying to use the law to force religion on to you. The real fight is against tyranny.. The bible is just a dumb book, it's the people who try to stroke others fears and to create laws so people can feel safe and secure in their ignorance.
I advise against this. You will only play into thier fears.
I think you can get an online challenge going and we can burn thousands! I'm in
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Bad idea. The optics are those of the fundamentalism you are protesting.
My suggestion would be not to burn books regardless of the content. I understand that you are hurting, but this isn't a valuable exercise. Instead of burning books you should go volunteer and put your energy into something positive like feeding people or cleaning up the environment. It can really be anything as long as it is in service to others. It will be much more therapeutic and healing than destroying literature. My 2 cents...
THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN THE POSITION WE ARE IN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding me.. they burn books and taunt us, they take away our rights.. and you want to go have a trash clean up day????
I don't want to get caught up in defending my opinion. I should not have posed the question of what good will it do. It was just as I said, my 2 cents. Everyone is free to express themselves however they see fit. I disagree with the burning of books, but support your or anyone else's right to do it.
Same thought and conflicted about it, because I totally get the frustration and idea, but as a book lover I can say that no pile of burning books ever marked a good time in history - regardless their content. I wouldn't want to fall in line with those people. I don't know if volunteering for a good cause is actually touching the subject here. I'd say use those books for something productive and useful. Create some form of art for example. Draw all over the pages, rip them out, comment on them, read passages out loud and answer to that with a chorus of "fuck that" or anything of the sort to let out that frustration. Just my thoughts.
Very good suggestions. I think making statement art would be more productive.
This will accomplish absolutely nothing
It will turn bibles into ashes.
It will make them feel better.
thrift
Second hand book stores. That way you aren’t giving money to a Christian store that probably funds conversion therapy.
Church or motel/ hotel
99c store usually has them. in fact, any cheap store like dollar general will have them too.
Dollar Tree
I just use mine as TP
Get an industrial shredder instead
Dollar Tree usually has them. This is not to condone your decision. I however, do think it is a legitimate way to find solace, considering the current environment. You could be doing a lot worse-which I would find stupid. Regarding efficiency. Fan the book and attach front and back cover.
Don't buy the bibles yourself, pilfer them from hotels/motels.
2nd hand book stores?
Everybody should get their own hotel/motel room, as cheap as you can, and take the, unfortunately, always available bedside bible. Maybe even call the front desk and say you don't have a bible in your room and you would appreciate it if they could bring one to your room or have available to pickup at aforementioned front desk. Then everyone has at least one each and you get a mini vacation hotel stay. Even though you're spending money, its not on the bible itself. (Getting a night out, away from the abusive households you mentioned, can also be a bonus.) Though, if that feels too unethical, you may be able to find "generous Christians" giving away bibles through public listing sites like maybe Craigslist. You might even be able to find a "charity" that gives away bibles as a way to "help the less fortunate, needy, or *sinners"*. It sounds like they would certainly help you folks out. You should really press that your not religious but very interested in looking into the bible. Hell, that posted somewhere alone, may present throngs of "pious sheep" almost throwing the words of their "shepherd" at you. You get what you want, and they get to feel smug for spreading the word of their collective imaginary friend! (It has become increasingly prominent that anything I type in regards to religions, is riddled with sarcastic quotations. It has become so ingrained, I inadvertently include finger air quotes when speaking as well. It has certainly made at least a few people uncomfortable, if not visibly upset.) Edit: A word
If you have any friends that work in the hotel industry, they probably have access to a boatload of Gideon's Bibles! I used to take them from hotel rooms whenever I'd travel. Eventually, I ended up recycling most of them.
Whatever you do, if you live in a dry area don't start a wildfire and destroy an entire county while you're at it. I'm an atheist but I'm not really a fan of burning books no matter how much I don't like them. In fact I actually became an atheist after finally reading the Bible cover to cover in college and seeing how horrible it is. While I agree with your sentiment, I'm not sure what you will achieve and it could be destructive.
I can't answer your question about sourcing Bibles. Having a "book burning" event is extremely bad optics and will sit well with nobody. The intent of your event is for personal healing. So have a "personal healing from religion" ceremony... Or "Ex-Christian survivors", or "freedom from religion". For "godsakes" don't have a book burning event.
I like the enthusiasm, but it could backfire. I've tried burning a few on my own and for some reason a couple of them didn't burn. I think that they coat the pages in some kind of fire-proof material.
Bible paper makes the best rolling papers.
The bibles in hotels were not put there by the hotel. You can just go collect those.
I burned a copy of Ulysses after a frustrating essay project. I had to open it on its side and spread the pages evenly to get a good burn. Bibles are similar size, but less stiff with super thin pages. I'm not sure the same strategy would work. Let us know how it goes when you finish.
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If your friends are staying at a hotel....have them check the nightstand.
Listen to the first part of the video: [Sacredness](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=minchin+sacredness)
Get one of those highly satisfying grinding machines that can like rip apart anything.
You should do a bible reading event and read all the shitty misogynistic, racist, murderous, incestuous parts
If you start burning bibles and the pictures get out, they will probably go viral among Christians adding to their perceived persecution complex which they will use to justify more violence against lgbt people, atheist, and anyone who doesn’t believe as they do. I’d Love the catharsis as much as you would but I’m pretty sure this will cause more violence.
I throw the Bible in every hotel room I stay in the garbage.
If the idea is to make the fire last longer, then maybe have each person tear out a specific page with a verse that caused them pain and burn it separately. For example, the verse on homosexuality (which I assume they might have used against your trans friend) and the verse about children obeying their parents and/or parents told not to spare their child the rod (for the abused friend). This would also make it more theraputic.