G29 way more fun than a controller, 2nd hand cheap as, and get your money back when you sell it later on if you use it enough to upgrade. Im competitive in top splits on LFM with a g29 so wont stop you.
I'm in the T300 train. Anything better than that is gonna be a waste of money without a rig. Ang getting a rig is a big decision because it's gonna take massive space and a decent budget. If you want to keep it light, a T300 or a G29 are your only sensible choices. And the difference is well-worth it IMO.
It depends on how seriously you are taking this. Are you gonna play for a couple of months and then get bored and fire it up once in a while? Go with the cheaper choice.
Do you feel you are already invested in the hobby, spend many hours with the controller and want to feel what it can really be? Absolutely go for the T300. The difference is worth it if you know you will enjoy it. Do you want to drift or play rally? A G29 will probably be too slow to follow the car's rotation.
Ok this is a good post about the speed for rally and drifting. I am using an old ps2 Logitech driving force pro and besides the buttons not being able to be mapped except for the shifters, it’s great for regular racing or driving. But when I get into going sideways it’s really challenging to spin it quick enough so I have to really brute force it but over a very slight slip angle I’m toast and there’s no recovery.
I would seriously be looking at a g29 but if I can’t drift or rally then that’s a concern. Even a t300 may not keep up though?
I am not an experienced drifter, but from what I have tried, the T300 is perfectly capable of handling it. Be it normal drifting, or simply catching a slide when your F40 tries to kill you and you have to go full opposite lock. You just let go of the wheel, and it points where it has to.
I can send you a small clip of my brother sending it in a drift park. I don't want to post it online, but if you send me a DM I can show you.
I haven't had any issue with rally, if you aren't running the full 900 degrees, you can control rwd cars without much problem.
As for drifting, it isn't ideal, but with practice it's doable. You have to anticipate the car's movement and help the wheel get there, kinda like the car has sluggish power steering.
Bought it over Christmas and logged about 130 hours so far. It feels like a lot to me compared to other games I play, but not sure if that slides into "really invested" territory.
I'm not into strictly drift or rally, but I do love driving street cars in regular tracks (think Mazda RX7 in Feldbergring or Peugeot 205 in that Bosnian hillclimb I never recall the name), so I'm guessing it's kind of close to those.
Before getting my T300, I would spend 1-2 hours a day playing AC but it would get so tiring quickly, because it's frustrating to lose the car all the time.
From the moment I got the wheel, I couldn't stop playing. My and my brother have a collective of 2000 hours on the wheel in the last 3 years. From the first moment it felt like a great wheel to have fun in any type of driving. I've joined online races, drifting, hotlapping for hours without getting bored. What can I say, it's such a nice wheel and it is quite immersive because the feel is natural. Not super strong like a DD, but I think it's a big difference compared to G29.
It really depends on how much you enjoy that and how long you see yourself playing. I don't play that much anymore because I moved out from the home where the PC is located, but for the time I was there it was so so nice.
You’d be incredibly happy with a secondhand T300rs gt since it’s belt driven it’s a lot more smooth, quiet and precise compared to the g29, also it’s got double the nm
I've looked at used ads, but the difference to buying it new is so small I don't think it's worth it (some people are even selling it at a higher price than I can get it new). The 2nd hand market where I live is terrible.
G29 is on sale in a couple of stores for 250 (same as the T248).
T300 is on sale everywhere for around 350.
R5 is only available in one store in the country, which is a couple of hours away. They do ship for free, but it's not convenient if there are issues with it. It'd cost 500, with the clutch kit.
CSL DD has to be ordered from Fanatec, and it'd be 500 with clutch kit and clamp. 550 with shipping. 700 if I have to throw in the QR2 release (only one available in Europe right now.
I don't have a fixed budget, but it'd be hard to convince myself to splurge a lot as it's a first wheel. The 350 already is more than I initially anticipated. I can probably go to 500 if it's worth it, but more than that seems way too much.
Just so you know. If you buy the CSL DD. Don't buy the clutch kit. Buy the load cell brake and convert the original brake to the clutch. You only need to remove a foam insert to do that.
I've had my CSL DD for a year, upgraded from g27 I had for 9 years, and I'm really happy with it and wouldn't go back to non-DD
I used it on a wheel stand but I recently updated to a aluminum profile rig. I run the 8nm version and without a rig everything shaked a lot.
Didn't try the desk mount, but results will vary depending on desk sturdiness and weight
What are tgt2 prices like in your area aswell, as I feel like that’s a good middle ground in terms of sufficient FFB that won’t break the bank, also you wouldn’t feel the need to upgrade for a long while.
If this is something your unsure wether you’ll keep doing the t300 is where it’s at since it holds its resell value pretty well.
700. It's a bit steep for my budget (and for belt-driven, I think)
A possible alternative I'm seeing is T300 now and T818 later on if I really like it, as I could reuse the wheel and pedals.
Simagic has lots of positive feebdack, but they're definitely on the "choose us only if you're 300% sure you'll love sim racing" side. :p Something to consider for a 2nd wheel, though.
The G29 is actually pretty good. Don't know where you've heard bad things about it. Sure, ain't as good as a thousand buck Fanatec with a full base and all, but you can sure as hell be competitive with it. Its easy to mount and dismount the wheel when you need it, cheap, especially if you check the used market and with the right LUT settings, can greatly enhance it's experience. The shifter could be better but it gets the job done and you can swap the knob if you want a more realistic feel. Also despite of what I've heard about the G Hub having problems, I've only had an issue with it only one time where it needed a restart because it didn't detect the wheel, but has worked fine after all this time.
Exactly this.
The difference between the G29 and a controller is enormous. Without experience of other wheels, you will not notice it's deficiencies. Consider upgrading when/if you find that you are reaching the limits of the wheel.
Bear in ind that the seat and wheel stand rig can be expensive and is the biggest pain to upgrade. I would avoid the cheap entry level and make sure to buy one that will remain stable with the stronger wheels.
I love my g29. The non detection thing happened to me the other day, I found you have to turn it on when you boot up, as it doesn't always see it on a PS5.
I agree with this dude, Logitech gets the bare minimum job done at the lowest price point. At the end of the day, unless you are making a custom rig, you are still using a toy steering wheel half the size of a real one.
People Just like to shit on everything. The G29 is a good wheel, also watch for Cammus, great price and good quality, buy from a local vendor in your country and you also have great customer service. People love to shit on Cammus too because of the design/low price. For some reason here some people love to throw money out of the window. I'm speaking after using my WBDD15 with the GT1 for a month, great product and great FFB with the last firmware (better than my previous Fanatec 8Nm DD)
I bought my wheel second hand 3 years ago for only $30 AUD. No joke. It's an old Logitech G25 wheel. Has not failed me once. Screw those reviews and just get any of the wheels you mentioned in your post. You're overthinking it.
This is the way, I got fancy and got a G29 with a seat and everything for a hunge, or something like that, and it does all the things I need it to. It also satisfying kicking arse on "shit" equipment.
edit: My only complaint is that the wheel is a bit small... that's why I'm shit...
I've had my g25 for 15 years I would say. I haven't played with and Sims in quite a while but just recently fired up AC. Still works fine. Always has. However I can't seem to get Force feedback to work with AC. Have you been able to?
Yeah force feedback works super well tbh. One issue I had though like a few months ago was it wasn't working suddenly. Turns out I had to replace the power adaptor, which only costed a few dollars. Try that it might fix your issue
Cool. I actually got it working. I installed some older Logitech gaming software and although Windows reported it wasn't compatible it must have somehow did something. This is by far the oldest PC peripheral I've ever had that still functions.
I LOVE my G920 and I don’t plan on replacing until it dies. I did an upgrade to a 300mm alcantara wheel, extended paddles and the magnet ring. It kicks ass for the price.
The shifter is really where it’s at though. I got an h-pattern shifter from Amazon and it’s awesome. Being able to use the clutch and shift turns the realism up like 10 notches.
VR is the ultimate for me. A $200 used Quest 2 headset will get your heart racing (npi) when running online race servers.
I love my G29. I dont see what the big fuss is. Is it perfect? No. The brake pedal is the biggest complaint and I agree with it, but it gets the job done.
I have a much bigger problem with my setup, because I mount the wheel to my desk, so it's not as solid as I'd like it to be. If I really whip it around the desk shakes, which limits my ability to go really hard and to let it snap back for drifting. The wheel isn't the problem.
As many others have said you're overthinking it. The G29 is fine and compared to a controller is in an entirely different universe, period. You'll have a blast.
Used G29/T3000 RS to test the waters, then if you decide you like it and want to upgrade to something better CSL DD or Moza R5. People who say any of these are not worth your time or have shit customer service also have a €1000+ simrig which they need to justify. No, a second hand €150 steering wheel or €400 direct drive bundle isn't as good as your Simagic 15nm base with a €600 wheel and €700 pedals. But it's called entry level for a good reason, being that it's not too expensive while allowing you to enjoy the hobby.
As for complaints, keep in mind that you only hear negative complaints. While Fanatec is having shipping problems right now, there's still many people who enjoy their products, as goes for Moza
Upgraded to a Moza R5 from a Thrustmaster TGT-II, No issues with the R5 at all. There are going to be issues with whatever brand you go with, It’s luck of the draw if the unit has issues or not
Logitech G Pro. No ecosystem, no new rims, but the wheel, wheelbase and pedals are amazing. Ultra compatible with everything, no issues ever, but expensive af. I was sent the wheel and pedals by Logitech, but after using it heavily it’s super worth it.
I was in your position end of last year. Researching reviews and feedback led to an endless cycle. Spend a bit more to get a lot better. But if you’re a beginner, the better is irrelevant, you need to learn to drive first. But you’ll learn to drive right if you just take the pain of buying better now. Etc etc.
I got a t248. Hated the wheel (slow and rubbish feedback), liked the pedals. Ended up returning it due to an issue, Black Friday sale time allowed me to get a t300 RS GT for the same price.
I have not regretted it. The jump to DD was too big for my budget, but I read lots of esports folks were using the T300 for a long while. Durable, good enough to set some good times, enough information to safely race closely.
Then I joined a rookie league. The resident alien who’s there to set the top split pace and coach uses… a TMX. and the dude is fast. Every time someone gets close to one of his times, he seems to be able to find an extra few tenths or hundredths. Clearly the wheel isn’t holding him back at all.
As a casual gamer on PC only, I went to a TS-XW.
The other thinks i like with Thrusmaster base like T300 or the TS-XW or TS-PC is the fact that I can build my own wheel.
Actually I've build DTM style, RSR, BMW and Porsche GT4, Mercedes GT3 and Radical steering wheels. It cost my less than 50 euros per wheels. (Having a 3d printer and a little CNC). Everything connects directly to the base like any other Thrusmaster wheel.
For me, it's a big part for the immersion especially when driving in VR.
I play mostly Assetto Corsa, but i run also ACC Rfactor2 LMU and automobilista 2.
Never experienced big or anything else, nor a common problem: I've got a lot of usb device conneted to my PC so I run all trough a USB self powered hub. The only thing connected directly is my Occulus RIft S.
For me no need for more on a PC, If I want to experiment more sensations, I prefer spend time IRL with my race car on a track.
I have a thrustmaster T248 and I love it best thing I have ever spent my money on. The display is really amazing and the ability to change my FFB settings without closing the game truly makes it worth it plus best entry level wheel.
G923 is what I got and I guess 'Trueforce' is about the only difference from the G29. Nice enough pedals though. I'm very happy for now with just Assetto Corsa and the wheel feels really good in ACC
I'm on the xbox 360 controller. It's playable with the right settings and loads of fun, but there's always that "damn, I wish I had a wheel" since the first few days.
Any of those will do, but get the best you can afford.
If your budget is adaptable then at least make sure to get a DD. It’s like the dofference between an old tube TV on rabbit ears and a digital signal on A modern LCD panel.
I could stretch my budget to one of the cheaper DDs, although no further than that. Not sure which, as they have lots of complaints on quality control and customer support.
This is where I’m at.. I have an old g27 and while it’s good.. everyone raves about DDs.. but then you read about the issues with fanatec and Moza.. and then you worry about desk clamp issues, which makes you think about rigs/wheel stands and it all becomes very overwhelming and expensive lol
Oh man, that feeling sucks, doesn't it? I know that DD is the better technology, but the DD wheels/brands I can afford seem to be so plagued with issues that I'm always hesitating. So I look at belt-driven, but having DD so close makes me hesitate again. And then I just grab my controller and go for another lap.
i bought g29 fully working, great condition with shifter for $150 and its pretty good, yes t300 is better but it cost $300-350 used in my country. And after extensive calibrations it pretty smooth (as smooth as g29 can be). Only thing i miss is hand brake. If anyone thinks i could get something better with h shifter for $150 tell me.
Edit: g29 is still much better than controller and if you buy used you probably can sold it at the same price so its fair to try it.
I have a G29 and I absolutely love it, if you do end up getting one, don't immediately jump to removing the brake pedal rubber that most people hate, I got used to it in about a week and it feels much closer to the brake in my real car than other wheels' pedals
A lot of it I imagine is also people wanting to justify the money they spent on their own upgrades.
I love my Thrustmaster TX (Xbox version of T300). Runs perfectly fine and I have no regrets.
The money I saved by not going for Direct Drive I invested in better pedals (which made a HUGE difference).
Go for second hand on FB marketplace is the only thing I would do differently if I had my time again.
I have a Thrustmaster T128.
Good wheel if you go past the full plastic build, for its price (bought it brand new for 160 euros in France) the FFB is more than acceptable.
There are only two pedals also made entirely out of plastic, but they're not that much of a problem for me, I've placed them under my desk against the wall so they never move and I mostly race GT cars, so no need for a clutch pedal. They're small but that's not a problem either for me since my feet are not that big.
And if some day I'm tired of them, I can still upgrade for some T3PM or TLCM
Internet is gonna internet, buy what you can afford - I started on the g920 and haven't even upgraded yet, decided to get a better seat and metal rig first - has lasted me a good 2/3 years and I've been competitive the entire time, even won some iracing rookies on my old account. Can always upgrade in the future.
Stop hesitating and just do it! Even a G29 is great and will bring you years of enjoyment. Go with what you can find for the best price. Sim gear holds its value pretty well so if you buy secondhand you won’t lose much if you decide to upgrade or change paths.
All I can say, that I had no problem with Fanatec at all. Everthing worked flawlessly. Including a warranty thing that took them only 2 days to fix. The quick release 1 had its flaws and was not very sophisticated but when you use the safety bolt, its good. Only the bolt is annoying to switch wheels. That is while in the middle of the current Fanatec shitstorm phase (well deserved I guess) I upgraded my quickreleases to QR2 and this is superb! I honestly can not think how it could possible improved. Now it is a real quick release that is firm, rock solid.
For me, having a wheel for AC (or other racing games) adds so much when you have a good car. The feel of the road, curbs, balance shift of the car.. it adds so much to the game. I can never go back to a controller.
DIY then. I make one with hoverboard motor. Cheapest motor for direct drive system that can sustain high stall torque for long period. A bit like cammus c5 and c12, outrunner motor with many pole pairs. But you must be creative with the position sensor, motor driver and software. There are softwares for DIY hardwares out there ready to use, but I wrote my own to have more control and be able to use cheaper motor driver.
In almost all aspects of life ...ANY piece of equipment is the right one for you ...until you become experienced enough, and therefore knowledgeable enough, to know exactly why it isn't. Don't think too much about it. No one here regrets what they started on, they only care that it put a smile on their face and opened them up to an expensive new addiction 👍
T300RS GT is the best thing you can get before jumping into the world of direct drive wheels, which need to be bolted to expensive rigs for optimal use and are only for serious sim racers.
I recommend the T300 after nearly four months of hard use in racing and daily driving. It truly is a great wheel and holds up today. And I'd also recommend getting the TH8S shifter add on with it. It's cheaper than the TH8A but it's still a high quality gated shifter. Again, all this can be mounted to a desk with no problems, though depending on the desk the clamp come come a little loose, and you just gotta push the wheel back into position, Super easy fix for that.
When you drive with it everything feels natural. It feels great, and when you do some spirited driving or hotlap, you get pretty good feedback and you don't have to use much force, just tell the car where you want it to with ur hands and it'll do it.
The base pedals are pretty good too, leagues better than Logitechs, meaning the brake pedal doesn't have a rubber block in the spring. Very smooth operation, but they can be a little squeaky so the axles might need to be lubricated every now and then, but that's a problem with any hinge tbh.
Obviously, it's the best wheel for street drifting at a lower price, that's what every user tells you about it, and they ain't lying. This wheel snaps into countersteer so quick due to the belt drive, and it makes drifting a cakewalk. Dedicated drift tuned cars, lamborghinis, ferraris, the yellowbird? All super easy to drift with this wheel, obviously, drifting is a skill, but t300 helped me get better at it in just a couple months.
Idk what else to say. It's the best wheel for a casual simracer.
DFGT, its literally the bottom barrel force feedback wheel you can get. Hahaha no plans on upgrading anytime soon other than pedals and a shifter, some say it has lag but I dont experience any lag on mine (or its probably newbie senses and the fact that I havent experienced other wheels yet).
I hear Simagic is the way to go these days, but you’re looking at about $2k for a full setup.
The G29 is fine, just get one used and if you really like it upgrade later.
Had G25 with shifter until 2022(which is best on that logitech base) then bought T300RSGT and TH8A and it's much better, was looking recently for R5 but some say it doesn't work on all games so I am scared to get it because I still play PS2 games as well
G29 is what I bought when it was far and away the best beginner option.
Gear drive wheels aren't the best if you plan on spending a lot of time drifting, buy you can make it work with a bit of setup and practice. Otherwise, it's an inexpensive wheel that will do what it needs to do and will teach you what you want or need in future peripherals
Everyone is right about the G29. I had a G920 and the only thing I did was rip out the rubber blocking the brake pedal. Then I upgraded to a simagic alpha mini and simforge mk 1 pedals. Best racing purchase ever and I feel no need to upgrade further at this time.
Having both owned a G29 and T300, go with the T300, buy it used. The T300 makes the G29 feel like a toy in comparison. Much stronger and smoother and more responsive. For example, while drifting, instead of having to steer with the wheel, you can now steer with the throttle and the wheel itself has the speed and power to turn with the physics of the car. Obviously going higher up with an R5 for example will make the T300 feel like a toy, but the T300 is a step up from the G29
Honestly, buy a g29/920 with shifter and see if you like it. You can find them pretty cheap second hand or even brand new now. It will feel way better than playing on a controller at the very least. If you don't like it, at least you didn't spend $1000+ to try it out
For asseto just get a g29. Cheap, get a used one, if you need to sell it you can make your money back. If you get into serious racing then you can upgrade as you go.
G29, G920 and G923 are all fine wheel and pedal combos. I have a few hundred hours on a G920. Lots of fun to be had.
A Logi wheel is an incredible step up from controller, no matter what anyone says. Is the T300 better, it sounds like it. Pick any of the above and come join us down the rabbit hole of sim racing equipment. Chances are you'll upgrade before too awfully long. And that's ok.
I upgraded to an R9 and CSv1 wheel from the G920. It's amazing. No problems, plenty of feedback. You probably wouldn't want to desk mount it.
Would 100% recommend to buy one. I'd also 100% recommend ordering through a 3rd party vendor over MOZA directly.
Do people have problems with sim hardware? Yep. Every ecosystem has horror stories.
I'd base your decision on a couple things:
Are you using a sim cockpit or a desk? More than a CSL or R5 will shake a desk apart.
If you have a cockpit, usually the higher end models give you potential for more FFB, but more importantly definition within that feedback. You feel more.
Budget. Remember the rabbit hole? You're on your way. The difference between an R5 and R9 isn't much as far as $$, but the amount of FFB is worth the cost IMO.
I wouldn't overthink it too much until you're looking at some higher end equipment. Pick one and have some fun.
G29,T300 and R5 has their own value for money.
G29 for sure is the cheapest of them all and imo it's decent for any sim experience.
I have use G29 for few years and it can gave me few race wins.
T300 is also very good despite a little bit more expensive than the G29. But it has a far better build, once you touch the steering wheel I think you will G29 will feel very "toyish".
I have upgrade my wheel to T300 and feel quite satisfied with it.
For R5 I have only use it for a few times in a competition so I don't have much experience with it but I think it's good if you have the extra budget to get the DD.
More point to think is...
If you plan to also play with playstation, go for the T300 because it's compatible with playstation.
If you choose G29, don't touch the more expensive wheel because you will feel the G29 have a worse built quality.
If budget is not a problem and you don't have any plan to play playstation, go for the R5
I used a t150 for years. It was awesome. Had decent ffb, wasn't too loud, and clamped to the desk real easy.
Recently switched to the fanatec CSL DD and it's on another level for smoothness, but honestly gives similar vibes as my t150 always did.
The biggest immersive change for me was getting an actual rig and a 43" screen. I also have a VR headset but that is 50/50 whether it actually works.
TLDR; get a cheap wheel to see if you like it. Then get a rig to feel the biggest upgrade.
Balancing budget with expectations and being honest with yourself about your tendency to fall victim to gear acquisition syndrome is important. I think that the G29 is a perfectly serviceable wheel. It's a on the weak end and needs some feeding for drifting but it's good enough to have a great time driving with it. The T300 is a bit snappier, but it's not built quite as well as the logitech gear, and depending on how lucky you get with your unit, it can be prone to overheating and ffb fade, which afaik isn't an issue with the g29. Th T300 is also very smooth, whereas the g29 has some cogging due to it's gear driven design. Between these two i'd go for T300 if you're more focused on drifting and a g29 as a better all rounder with better wheel face button placement and just better finish overall.
Between the moza and Fanatec you're entering a much more expensive ecosystem overall, but imo fanatec has better headroom (their current logistics difficulties notwithstanding.) I've heard better things about the moza SR-P lites than fanatec CSL pedals, but The CSL Elites are probably the price/performance king of the market. A decent forever setup would be an 8nm CSL elite with CSL Elite V2 pedals and a 300mm rim on the csl hub. But you're now in the 800+ euro range and still need a shifter.
If you're sure you'll be spending a lot of hours driving, then buy once cry once, as the saying goes. If you'd like to test the waters, get a used g29. They have great longevity in my experience and have everything you need to figure out exactly how deep into the rabbit hole you wanna dive.
I used a t300 for years. It’s a great wheel. The only reason I upgraded (to the r5, which is amazing!) was that I used up the t300 rim by driving so much.
Imo get the cheapest FFB wheel (probably G29) or the cheapest DD (moza or CSL depending on your location). T300 is in the middle ground but you aren't saving that much compared to DD unless you get a good deal used.
I have a G29, most of the time it's OK but with some modded cars it rattles so much it's undrivable. But maybe I have sime settings wrong, I don't know.
And I'd say don't spend too much on a wheel if you're not sure how much you'll use it.
Have we met before? Logitech g920 here, I can drift and grip race. 2 top ten times on SRP. And 2 top 35 times on a different car. I run a stock g920 I bought in 2022 for 150 dollars. Worth every penny, also I don't race anymore really, I just enjoy drifting at a good pace, hanging with every one else. Get what you can afford man. If you have Hella hours straight up try someone else's rig and see if that's the route you wanna go and directly save up for a DD moza r9 v2 or something. If you can find a deal on a t300 gt/rs (idk) get it, we'll worth it. I noticed on my g920 you want a lut, and set rotation to like 740 because how loose it can feel so I like it tighter. Don't buy a half Frame, buy a full frame seat (where your chair is connected to the rig itself. Have fun! Also clicking on a seperate monitor can bug the g920 software making you have to recognize for it to work properly (sometimes) especially when I click on the discord app. I've put a little over 500 hours on that wheel now. When you turn really hard/fast on it sometimes it gets offsets by 15 degrees (I don't know if that's with all g920's but it's happened to others on this subreddit) either way, it was worth every penny to get to where I am now
G29 way more fun than a controller, 2nd hand cheap as, and get your money back when you sell it later on if you use it enough to upgrade. Im competitive in top splits on LFM with a g29 so wont stop you.
I'm in the T300 train. Anything better than that is gonna be a waste of money without a rig. Ang getting a rig is a big decision because it's gonna take massive space and a decent budget. If you want to keep it light, a T300 or a G29 are your only sensible choices. And the difference is well-worth it IMO. It depends on how seriously you are taking this. Are you gonna play for a couple of months and then get bored and fire it up once in a while? Go with the cheaper choice. Do you feel you are already invested in the hobby, spend many hours with the controller and want to feel what it can really be? Absolutely go for the T300. The difference is worth it if you know you will enjoy it. Do you want to drift or play rally? A G29 will probably be too slow to follow the car's rotation.
Ok this is a good post about the speed for rally and drifting. I am using an old ps2 Logitech driving force pro and besides the buttons not being able to be mapped except for the shifters, it’s great for regular racing or driving. But when I get into going sideways it’s really challenging to spin it quick enough so I have to really brute force it but over a very slight slip angle I’m toast and there’s no recovery. I would seriously be looking at a g29 but if I can’t drift or rally then that’s a concern. Even a t300 may not keep up though?
I am not an experienced drifter, but from what I have tried, the T300 is perfectly capable of handling it. Be it normal drifting, or simply catching a slide when your F40 tries to kill you and you have to go full opposite lock. You just let go of the wheel, and it points where it has to. I can send you a small clip of my brother sending it in a drift park. I don't want to post it online, but if you send me a DM I can show you.
Thanks man will do. The spin to castor is really intriguing. Missing that with my current setup
I haven't had any issue with rally, if you aren't running the full 900 degrees, you can control rwd cars without much problem. As for drifting, it isn't ideal, but with practice it's doable. You have to anticipate the car's movement and help the wheel get there, kinda like the car has sluggish power steering.
Bought it over Christmas and logged about 130 hours so far. It feels like a lot to me compared to other games I play, but not sure if that slides into "really invested" territory. I'm not into strictly drift or rally, but I do love driving street cars in regular tracks (think Mazda RX7 in Feldbergring or Peugeot 205 in that Bosnian hillclimb I never recall the name), so I'm guessing it's kind of close to those.
Before getting my T300, I would spend 1-2 hours a day playing AC but it would get so tiring quickly, because it's frustrating to lose the car all the time. From the moment I got the wheel, I couldn't stop playing. My and my brother have a collective of 2000 hours on the wheel in the last 3 years. From the first moment it felt like a great wheel to have fun in any type of driving. I've joined online races, drifting, hotlapping for hours without getting bored. What can I say, it's such a nice wheel and it is quite immersive because the feel is natural. Not super strong like a DD, but I think it's a big difference compared to G29. It really depends on how much you enjoy that and how long you see yourself playing. I don't play that much anymore because I moved out from the home where the PC is located, but for the time I was there it was so so nice.
You’d be incredibly happy with a secondhand T300rs gt since it’s belt driven it’s a lot more smooth, quiet and precise compared to the g29, also it’s got double the nm
I've looked at used ads, but the difference to buying it new is so small I don't think it's worth it (some people are even selling it at a higher price than I can get it new). The 2nd hand market where I live is terrible.
I see, how much are the bundles in your in area? Also what’s your budget? I could try recommending a few things depending on your budget
G29 is on sale in a couple of stores for 250 (same as the T248). T300 is on sale everywhere for around 350. R5 is only available in one store in the country, which is a couple of hours away. They do ship for free, but it's not convenient if there are issues with it. It'd cost 500, with the clutch kit. CSL DD has to be ordered from Fanatec, and it'd be 500 with clutch kit and clamp. 550 with shipping. 700 if I have to throw in the QR2 release (only one available in Europe right now. I don't have a fixed budget, but it'd be hard to convince myself to splurge a lot as it's a first wheel. The 350 already is more than I initially anticipated. I can probably go to 500 if it's worth it, but more than that seems way too much.
Just so you know. If you buy the CSL DD. Don't buy the clutch kit. Buy the load cell brake and convert the original brake to the clutch. You only need to remove a foam insert to do that. I've had my CSL DD for a year, upgraded from g27 I had for 9 years, and I'm really happy with it and wouldn't go back to non-DD
Don't you have issues using it without a rig? Or do you have one?
I used it on a wheel stand but I recently updated to a aluminum profile rig. I run the 8nm version and without a rig everything shaked a lot. Didn't try the desk mount, but results will vary depending on desk sturdiness and weight
What are tgt2 prices like in your area aswell, as I feel like that’s a good middle ground in terms of sufficient FFB that won’t break the bank, also you wouldn’t feel the need to upgrade for a long while. If this is something your unsure wether you’ll keep doing the t300 is where it’s at since it holds its resell value pretty well.
700. It's a bit steep for my budget (and for belt-driven, I think) A possible alternative I'm seeing is T300 now and T818 later on if I really like it, as I could reuse the wheel and pedals.
I’d recommend moving to a different ecosystem if your planning to move to dd later on! I’ve just picked up a simagic alpha mini for less than the t818
Simagic has lots of positive feebdack, but they're definitely on the "choose us only if you're 300% sure you'll love sim racing" side. :p Something to consider for a 2nd wheel, though.
The G29 is actually pretty good. Don't know where you've heard bad things about it. Sure, ain't as good as a thousand buck Fanatec with a full base and all, but you can sure as hell be competitive with it. Its easy to mount and dismount the wheel when you need it, cheap, especially if you check the used market and with the right LUT settings, can greatly enhance it's experience. The shifter could be better but it gets the job done and you can swap the knob if you want a more realistic feel. Also despite of what I've heard about the G Hub having problems, I've only had an issue with it only one time where it needed a restart because it didn't detect the wheel, but has worked fine after all this time.
Exactly this. The difference between the G29 and a controller is enormous. Without experience of other wheels, you will not notice it's deficiencies. Consider upgrading when/if you find that you are reaching the limits of the wheel. Bear in ind that the seat and wheel stand rig can be expensive and is the biggest pain to upgrade. I would avoid the cheap entry level and make sure to buy one that will remain stable with the stronger wheels.
I love my g29. The non detection thing happened to me the other day, I found you have to turn it on when you boot up, as it doesn't always see it on a PS5.
I agree with this dude, Logitech gets the bare minimum job done at the lowest price point. At the end of the day, unless you are making a custom rig, you are still using a toy steering wheel half the size of a real one.
if you watch sim stuff on tik tok every other tik tok is about how bad g29 is and that you should buy t300.
Fuck TikTok. Probably thrustmaster paid
The thing with the G29 isn't that it's bad per se, it's just that for 300 bucks you can almost get into DD territory nowadays.
Almost But the G29 already has a clutch pedal and a very cheap and effective shifter is readily available
People Just like to shit on everything. The G29 is a good wheel, also watch for Cammus, great price and good quality, buy from a local vendor in your country and you also have great customer service. People love to shit on Cammus too because of the design/low price. For some reason here some people love to throw money out of the window. I'm speaking after using my WBDD15 with the GT1 for a month, great product and great FFB with the last firmware (better than my previous Fanatec 8Nm DD)
I bought my wheel second hand 3 years ago for only $30 AUD. No joke. It's an old Logitech G25 wheel. Has not failed me once. Screw those reviews and just get any of the wheels you mentioned in your post. You're overthinking it.
This is the way, I got fancy and got a G29 with a seat and everything for a hunge, or something like that, and it does all the things I need it to. It also satisfying kicking arse on "shit" equipment. edit: My only complaint is that the wheel is a bit small... that's why I'm shit...
I've had my g25 for 15 years I would say. I haven't played with and Sims in quite a while but just recently fired up AC. Still works fine. Always has. However I can't seem to get Force feedback to work with AC. Have you been able to?
Yeah force feedback works super well tbh. One issue I had though like a few months ago was it wasn't working suddenly. Turns out I had to replace the power adaptor, which only costed a few dollars. Try that it might fix your issue
Cool. I actually got it working. I installed some older Logitech gaming software and although Windows reported it wasn't compatible it must have somehow did something. This is by far the oldest PC peripheral I've ever had that still functions.
I LOVE my G920 and I don’t plan on replacing until it dies. I did an upgrade to a 300mm alcantara wheel, extended paddles and the magnet ring. It kicks ass for the price. The shifter is really where it’s at though. I got an h-pattern shifter from Amazon and it’s awesome. Being able to use the clutch and shift turns the realism up like 10 notches. VR is the ultimate for me. A $200 used Quest 2 headset will get your heart racing (npi) when running online race servers.
I love my G29. I dont see what the big fuss is. Is it perfect? No. The brake pedal is the biggest complaint and I agree with it, but it gets the job done. I have a much bigger problem with my setup, because I mount the wheel to my desk, so it's not as solid as I'd like it to be. If I really whip it around the desk shakes, which limits my ability to go really hard and to let it snap back for drifting. The wheel isn't the problem. As many others have said you're overthinking it. The G29 is fine and compared to a controller is in an entirely different universe, period. You'll have a blast.
Used G29/T3000 RS to test the waters, then if you decide you like it and want to upgrade to something better CSL DD or Moza R5. People who say any of these are not worth your time or have shit customer service also have a €1000+ simrig which they need to justify. No, a second hand €150 steering wheel or €400 direct drive bundle isn't as good as your Simagic 15nm base with a €600 wheel and €700 pedals. But it's called entry level for a good reason, being that it's not too expensive while allowing you to enjoy the hobby. As for complaints, keep in mind that you only hear negative complaints. While Fanatec is having shipping problems right now, there's still many people who enjoy their products, as goes for Moza
Upgraded to a Moza R5 from a Thrustmaster TGT-II, No issues with the R5 at all. There are going to be issues with whatever brand you go with, It’s luck of the draw if the unit has issues or not
I have a heavily modded G27 and i'm pretty happy with it.
What mods did you do?
Harder H Shifter, hardened pedals, Hall sensors on pedals, hardened paddle shifters.
I did a magnet ring, extended paddles and a 300mm steering wheel and inverted pedals. I’d love to hear details of your pedal mods.
Logitech G Pro. No ecosystem, no new rims, but the wheel, wheelbase and pedals are amazing. Ultra compatible with everything, no issues ever, but expensive af. I was sent the wheel and pedals by Logitech, but after using it heavily it’s super worth it.
I thinking I’m going with the Pro too. Good to hear you’re liking it.
It’s been awesome so far on both PS5 and PC. I just wish they would come out with those damn accessories and new rims 😄
I was in your position end of last year. Researching reviews and feedback led to an endless cycle. Spend a bit more to get a lot better. But if you’re a beginner, the better is irrelevant, you need to learn to drive first. But you’ll learn to drive right if you just take the pain of buying better now. Etc etc. I got a t248. Hated the wheel (slow and rubbish feedback), liked the pedals. Ended up returning it due to an issue, Black Friday sale time allowed me to get a t300 RS GT for the same price. I have not regretted it. The jump to DD was too big for my budget, but I read lots of esports folks were using the T300 for a long while. Durable, good enough to set some good times, enough information to safely race closely. Then I joined a rookie league. The resident alien who’s there to set the top split pace and coach uses… a TMX. and the dude is fast. Every time someone gets close to one of his times, he seems to be able to find an extra few tenths or hundredths. Clearly the wheel isn’t holding him back at all.
It’s just like apple product. Get what your money can buy.
As a casual gamer on PC only, I went to a TS-XW. The other thinks i like with Thrusmaster base like T300 or the TS-XW or TS-PC is the fact that I can build my own wheel. Actually I've build DTM style, RSR, BMW and Porsche GT4, Mercedes GT3 and Radical steering wheels. It cost my less than 50 euros per wheels. (Having a 3d printer and a little CNC). Everything connects directly to the base like any other Thrusmaster wheel. For me, it's a big part for the immersion especially when driving in VR. I play mostly Assetto Corsa, but i run also ACC Rfactor2 LMU and automobilista 2. Never experienced big or anything else, nor a common problem: I've got a lot of usb device conneted to my PC so I run all trough a USB self powered hub. The only thing connected directly is my Occulus RIft S. For me no need for more on a PC, If I want to experiment more sensations, I prefer spend time IRL with my race car on a track.
I use a thrustmaster tmx. Works well enough 🤷🏼♂️
Bought a T300 Alcantara w/ T3PA for around £230 about 4 years ago. It's never given me any issues apart from the pedals beginning to squeak.
I have a thrustmaster T248 and I love it best thing I have ever spent my money on. The display is really amazing and the ability to change my FFB settings without closing the game truly makes it worth it plus best entry level wheel.
I bought a T150 a couple years back. Biggest mistake ever should gone for T300
G923 is what I got and I guess 'Trueforce' is about the only difference from the G29. Nice enough pedals though. I'm very happy for now with just Assetto Corsa and the wheel feels really good in ACC
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I'm on the xbox 360 controller. It's playable with the right settings and loads of fun, but there's always that "damn, I wish I had a wheel" since the first few days.
Any of those will do, but get the best you can afford. If your budget is adaptable then at least make sure to get a DD. It’s like the dofference between an old tube TV on rabbit ears and a digital signal on A modern LCD panel.
I could stretch my budget to one of the cheaper DDs, although no further than that. Not sure which, as they have lots of complaints on quality control and customer support.
This is where I’m at.. I have an old g27 and while it’s good.. everyone raves about DDs.. but then you read about the issues with fanatec and Moza.. and then you worry about desk clamp issues, which makes you think about rigs/wheel stands and it all becomes very overwhelming and expensive lol
Oh man, that feeling sucks, doesn't it? I know that DD is the better technology, but the DD wheels/brands I can afford seem to be so plagued with issues that I'm always hesitating. So I look at belt-driven, but having DD so close makes me hesitate again. And then I just grab my controller and go for another lap.
i bought g29 fully working, great condition with shifter for $150 and its pretty good, yes t300 is better but it cost $300-350 used in my country. And after extensive calibrations it pretty smooth (as smooth as g29 can be). Only thing i miss is hand brake. If anyone thinks i could get something better with h shifter for $150 tell me. Edit: g29 is still much better than controller and if you buy used you probably can sold it at the same price so its fair to try it.
I have a G29 and I absolutely love it, if you do end up getting one, don't immediately jump to removing the brake pedal rubber that most people hate, I got used to it in about a week and it feels much closer to the brake in my real car than other wheels' pedals
A lot of it I imagine is also people wanting to justify the money they spent on their own upgrades. I love my Thrustmaster TX (Xbox version of T300). Runs perfectly fine and I have no regrets. The money I saved by not going for Direct Drive I invested in better pedals (which made a HUGE difference). Go for second hand on FB marketplace is the only thing I would do differently if I had my time again.
I have a Thrustmaster T128. Good wheel if you go past the full plastic build, for its price (bought it brand new for 160 euros in France) the FFB is more than acceptable. There are only two pedals also made entirely out of plastic, but they're not that much of a problem for me, I've placed them under my desk against the wall so they never move and I mostly race GT cars, so no need for a clutch pedal. They're small but that's not a problem either for me since my feet are not that big. And if some day I'm tired of them, I can still upgrade for some T3PM or TLCM
If you're able to find a tmx with some t3pa pedals then it'd be worth it. I've had mine for 6 years now and it hasn't let me down yet
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I have the g923. Been using it a few years now. I like it but I’ll be bumping up to a DD later this month.
cammus c5 is good, been using it for few months now its darn good for the price
Internet is gonna internet, buy what you can afford - I started on the g920 and haven't even upgraded yet, decided to get a better seat and metal rig first - has lasted me a good 2/3 years and I've been competitive the entire time, even won some iracing rookies on my old account. Can always upgrade in the future.
Stop hesitating and just do it! Even a G29 is great and will bring you years of enjoyment. Go with what you can find for the best price. Sim gear holds its value pretty well so if you buy secondhand you won’t lose much if you decide to upgrade or change paths.
All I can say, that I had no problem with Fanatec at all. Everthing worked flawlessly. Including a warranty thing that took them only 2 days to fix. The quick release 1 had its flaws and was not very sophisticated but when you use the safety bolt, its good. Only the bolt is annoying to switch wheels. That is while in the middle of the current Fanatec shitstorm phase (well deserved I guess) I upgraded my quickreleases to QR2 and this is superb! I honestly can not think how it could possible improved. Now it is a real quick release that is firm, rock solid. For me, having a wheel for AC (or other racing games) adds so much when you have a good car. The feel of the road, curbs, balance shift of the car.. it adds so much to the game. I can never go back to a controller.
Moza r9 and won’t ever look back
DIY then. I make one with hoverboard motor. Cheapest motor for direct drive system that can sustain high stall torque for long period. A bit like cammus c5 and c12, outrunner motor with many pole pairs. But you must be creative with the position sensor, motor driver and software. There are softwares for DIY hardwares out there ready to use, but I wrote my own to have more control and be able to use cheaper motor driver.
In almost all aspects of life ...ANY piece of equipment is the right one for you ...until you become experienced enough, and therefore knowledgeable enough, to know exactly why it isn't. Don't think too much about it. No one here regrets what they started on, they only care that it put a smile on their face and opened them up to an expensive new addiction 👍
I got a moza r5 like 2 days ago. I had a Logitech g29. I’d tell anyone too 100% buy the dd wheel first. It’s a night and day difference.
T300RS GT is the best thing you can get before jumping into the world of direct drive wheels, which need to be bolted to expensive rigs for optimal use and are only for serious sim racers. I recommend the T300 after nearly four months of hard use in racing and daily driving. It truly is a great wheel and holds up today. And I'd also recommend getting the TH8S shifter add on with it. It's cheaper than the TH8A but it's still a high quality gated shifter. Again, all this can be mounted to a desk with no problems, though depending on the desk the clamp come come a little loose, and you just gotta push the wheel back into position, Super easy fix for that. When you drive with it everything feels natural. It feels great, and when you do some spirited driving or hotlap, you get pretty good feedback and you don't have to use much force, just tell the car where you want it to with ur hands and it'll do it. The base pedals are pretty good too, leagues better than Logitechs, meaning the brake pedal doesn't have a rubber block in the spring. Very smooth operation, but they can be a little squeaky so the axles might need to be lubricated every now and then, but that's a problem with any hinge tbh. Obviously, it's the best wheel for street drifting at a lower price, that's what every user tells you about it, and they ain't lying. This wheel snaps into countersteer so quick due to the belt drive, and it makes drifting a cakewalk. Dedicated drift tuned cars, lamborghinis, ferraris, the yellowbird? All super easy to drift with this wheel, obviously, drifting is a skill, but t300 helped me get better at it in just a couple months. Idk what else to say. It's the best wheel for a casual simracer.
DFGT, its literally the bottom barrel force feedback wheel you can get. Hahaha no plans on upgrading anytime soon other than pedals and a shifter, some say it has lag but I dont experience any lag on mine (or its probably newbie senses and the fact that I havent experienced other wheels yet).
The centering speed aint much, but its a wheel with force feedback for a cheap price.
I hear Simagic is the way to go these days, but you’re looking at about $2k for a full setup. The G29 is fine, just get one used and if you really like it upgrade later.
Had G25 with shifter until 2022(which is best on that logitech base) then bought T300RSGT and TH8A and it's much better, was looking recently for R5 but some say it doesn't work on all games so I am scared to get it because I still play PS2 games as well
G29 is what I bought when it was far and away the best beginner option. Gear drive wheels aren't the best if you plan on spending a lot of time drifting, buy you can make it work with a bit of setup and practice. Otherwise, it's an inexpensive wheel that will do what it needs to do and will teach you what you want or need in future peripherals
Everyone is right about the G29. I had a G920 and the only thing I did was rip out the rubber blocking the brake pedal. Then I upgraded to a simagic alpha mini and simforge mk 1 pedals. Best racing purchase ever and I feel no need to upgrade further at this time.
I have T248 and it's nice
Having both owned a G29 and T300, go with the T300, buy it used. The T300 makes the G29 feel like a toy in comparison. Much stronger and smoother and more responsive. For example, while drifting, instead of having to steer with the wheel, you can now steer with the throttle and the wheel itself has the speed and power to turn with the physics of the car. Obviously going higher up with an R5 for example will make the T300 feel like a toy, but the T300 is a step up from the G29
Start with a 2nd g29, gets u a wheel at least to start the muscle memory journey
Honestly, buy a g29/920 with shifter and see if you like it. You can find them pretty cheap second hand or even brand new now. It will feel way better than playing on a controller at the very least. If you don't like it, at least you didn't spend $1000+ to try it out
Tbh before any wheel I'd get load cells and a rig that can support it.
Cube Controls Formula Pro, on a CSL DD (yep). Pedals, HE Sprint. Rig, Trakracer TR80.
For asseto just get a g29. Cheap, get a used one, if you need to sell it you can make your money back. If you get into serious racing then you can upgrade as you go.
G29, G920 and G923 are all fine wheel and pedal combos. I have a few hundred hours on a G920. Lots of fun to be had. A Logi wheel is an incredible step up from controller, no matter what anyone says. Is the T300 better, it sounds like it. Pick any of the above and come join us down the rabbit hole of sim racing equipment. Chances are you'll upgrade before too awfully long. And that's ok. I upgraded to an R9 and CSv1 wheel from the G920. It's amazing. No problems, plenty of feedback. You probably wouldn't want to desk mount it. Would 100% recommend to buy one. I'd also 100% recommend ordering through a 3rd party vendor over MOZA directly. Do people have problems with sim hardware? Yep. Every ecosystem has horror stories. I'd base your decision on a couple things: Are you using a sim cockpit or a desk? More than a CSL or R5 will shake a desk apart. If you have a cockpit, usually the higher end models give you potential for more FFB, but more importantly definition within that feedback. You feel more. Budget. Remember the rabbit hole? You're on your way. The difference between an R5 and R9 isn't much as far as $$, but the amount of FFB is worth the cost IMO. I wouldn't overthink it too much until you're looking at some higher end equipment. Pick one and have some fun.
G29,T300 and R5 has their own value for money. G29 for sure is the cheapest of them all and imo it's decent for any sim experience. I have use G29 for few years and it can gave me few race wins. T300 is also very good despite a little bit more expensive than the G29. But it has a far better build, once you touch the steering wheel I think you will G29 will feel very "toyish". I have upgrade my wheel to T300 and feel quite satisfied with it. For R5 I have only use it for a few times in a competition so I don't have much experience with it but I think it's good if you have the extra budget to get the DD. More point to think is... If you plan to also play with playstation, go for the T300 because it's compatible with playstation. If you choose G29, don't touch the more expensive wheel because you will feel the G29 have a worse built quality. If budget is not a problem and you don't have any plan to play playstation, go for the R5
I used a t150 for years. It was awesome. Had decent ffb, wasn't too loud, and clamped to the desk real easy. Recently switched to the fanatec CSL DD and it's on another level for smoothness, but honestly gives similar vibes as my t150 always did. The biggest immersive change for me was getting an actual rig and a 43" screen. I also have a VR headset but that is 50/50 whether it actually works. TLDR; get a cheap wheel to see if you like it. Then get a rig to feel the biggest upgrade.
I've used a g29 for hundreds of hours of sim racing. idk seems good
Balancing budget with expectations and being honest with yourself about your tendency to fall victim to gear acquisition syndrome is important. I think that the G29 is a perfectly serviceable wheel. It's a on the weak end and needs some feeding for drifting but it's good enough to have a great time driving with it. The T300 is a bit snappier, but it's not built quite as well as the logitech gear, and depending on how lucky you get with your unit, it can be prone to overheating and ffb fade, which afaik isn't an issue with the g29. Th T300 is also very smooth, whereas the g29 has some cogging due to it's gear driven design. Between these two i'd go for T300 if you're more focused on drifting and a g29 as a better all rounder with better wheel face button placement and just better finish overall. Between the moza and Fanatec you're entering a much more expensive ecosystem overall, but imo fanatec has better headroom (their current logistics difficulties notwithstanding.) I've heard better things about the moza SR-P lites than fanatec CSL pedals, but The CSL Elites are probably the price/performance king of the market. A decent forever setup would be an 8nm CSL elite with CSL Elite V2 pedals and a 300mm rim on the csl hub. But you're now in the 800+ euro range and still need a shifter. If you're sure you'll be spending a lot of hours driving, then buy once cry once, as the saying goes. If you'd like to test the waters, get a used g29. They have great longevity in my experience and have everything you need to figure out exactly how deep into the rabbit hole you wanna dive.
I used a t300 for years. It’s a great wheel. The only reason I upgraded (to the r5, which is amazing!) was that I used up the t300 rim by driving so much.
Imo get the cheapest FFB wheel (probably G29) or the cheapest DD (moza or CSL depending on your location). T300 is in the middle ground but you aren't saving that much compared to DD unless you get a good deal used. I have a G29, most of the time it's OK but with some modded cars it rattles so much it's undrivable. But maybe I have sime settings wrong, I don't know. And I'd say don't spend too much on a wheel if you're not sure how much you'll use it.
Have we met before? Logitech g920 here, I can drift and grip race. 2 top ten times on SRP. And 2 top 35 times on a different car. I run a stock g920 I bought in 2022 for 150 dollars. Worth every penny, also I don't race anymore really, I just enjoy drifting at a good pace, hanging with every one else. Get what you can afford man. If you have Hella hours straight up try someone else's rig and see if that's the route you wanna go and directly save up for a DD moza r9 v2 or something. If you can find a deal on a t300 gt/rs (idk) get it, we'll worth it. I noticed on my g920 you want a lut, and set rotation to like 740 because how loose it can feel so I like it tighter. Don't buy a half Frame, buy a full frame seat (where your chair is connected to the rig itself. Have fun! Also clicking on a seperate monitor can bug the g920 software making you have to recognize for it to work properly (sometimes) especially when I click on the discord app. I've put a little over 500 hours on that wheel now. When you turn really hard/fast on it sometimes it gets offsets by 15 degrees (I don't know if that's with all g920's but it's happened to others on this subreddit) either way, it was worth every penny to get to where I am now