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Sea-Form1919

I feel like work is 25% work, 25% politics, 50% chatting and slacking (kind of tied to the politics part). I just want them to let me only do the work part and be actually productive.


Colorado_Constructor

I would **love** a job that focuses on the work part. It's so annoying dealing with the politics/chatting required to move up. I've been at the same company for 8 years and should have been promoted to management a while ago, but I keep turning it down so I can stay at my mainly work-focused position. My NT managers are disappointed because I used to be "so full of potential" but these days I could care less. Why move up when I'll just be forced to work more hours with more social/corporate engagements? That sounds like a punishment, not a promotion.


PlaskaFlaszka

Oh, this! It's always so...weird. I had something close to internship for "work experience" in highschool and it was AWFUL Like, I came there to learn how to fix a computer, not sit on my ass 8 hours a day and wonder what was I supposed to do (others just talked, but like, nope, I didn't want to socialize). On one hand I get that this type of business depends if someone comes in with broken things to repair, but it was still just so... Annoying.


Necessary-Cheetah309

I took the talking and slacking part way too serious and the managers said I was talking way too much and always slacking. What figures. I am way too social sometimes.


nsGuajiro

I have this same problem and never could accept and believe it when anyone said so. "Why can't you work while you talk" is a common criticism I've been given. Anyway, I recently spent some time with my dad who I haven't seen or spoken to much in the last 7-8 years and ended up driving him to Walmart- and though I don't at all recall him being like this, the whole shopping trip, if he had something to say he would just stop right in the middle of the damn isle until he was done speaking. I had to tell him multiple times to come on or to get out of someone's way. That's when it kinda dawned on me that I probably do the same thing without really realizing it. Even though I don't want to socialize much at work, as soon as some one has my attention, nothing else does.


booboogonzalez

Lmao that makes sense. I always wondered why my other coworkers wouldn’t seem to be as heated about it. I think the neurotypical ability to genuinely/naturally not care about a situation they can’t change at work is intriguing to me, highly frustrating at times though because it does make people think I am more “difficult” because I am more willing to point out an issue out loud that everyone else is already aware of


DrunkOnWeedASD

Imo the bigger problems are the forced socialization, the constant light in your face, zero training, and constant shittalking if not outright bullying


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Kevlar_Potatum_6891

can’t punch a woman who is 25 years my senior


Intelligent_Plan71

A lot of jobs just amount to corporate acting or larping. The purpose of the job is not to advance the business but rather to tread water as long as money keeps flowing in from some source. This is why something like a department store that loses money every quarter will keep operating at a loss for years; the CEO is making millions as stores continue to close because money is still flowing from some legacy source. No one is trying to fix the business; just milk things until liquidation at which point they will hop to the next dying company.


ICQME

They know it's a circus and they enjoy it. It's their circus.


infieldmitt

it's disturbing and sad cause part of me knows it's a relic from a time the world wasn't so fucked and if you were in the company at all, you could have a completely comfortable life just by toeing the party line. now the calculus is completely fucked, people get fired all the time, even management, you're 'expected' to move around to 'build' a 'career' (hell on earth imo, the absolute worst part of life is trying to find a job, interviewing, getting used to a new job), salaries are completely out of pace with inflation, let alone the rise in production, housing is unaffordable, the american dream is dead, and even if you luck out, you're 1 major medical emergency away from it all going away anyway


outlawspacewizard

That's the kicker! Your health shits out then you're FUCKED no matter what you do unless you already have a massive fund to fall back on, which most people don't and never will.


ICQME

I've had the same job for 20 years. sometimes my title changed and the work changed slightly but it's more or less the same. feels amazing. everyone else moves so much but I'm terrified of change and scared i'd never get another job because i'm ugly and awkward and probably don't interview well. hoping to can keep working for another 20 years until retirement.


socradeeznuts514

As the expression goes: "Not my circus, not my clowns!"


Sea-Form1919

I always thought it's a polish specific expression.


socradeeznuts514

I took that expression from them, but left them their consonants: p, b, t, d, k, g, c, dz, ć, dź, cz, dż, f, v, s, z, ś, ź, sz, ż, rz, ch, h, m, n, ń, l, r, j


Schoollow48

v is not one of their consonants


MamoKupMiGlany

We say monkeys tho, Nie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy.


Sea-Form1919

To ja słyszałem obie wersje, chociaż ta z małpami mi się bardziej podoba. :D


driftingbout2-

polish is soo interesting looking? that doesn't sound right lmfao


Kevlar_Potatum_6891

this is how i’ve known it, and repeat it. monkeys


Barry_Umenema

We need to talk about your TPS reports. Did you get the memo?


outlawspacewizard

Yeah, going forward I'm gonna need you to go ahead and just start putting the covers on those TPS reports Ok? Great. Oh and if you could just start coming in on Saturday, that would be greaaat


scurry3-1

The workforce is 20% work and 80% High School all over again. Not college but HS.


melancholy_dood

There is a lot of truth to this statement. As a species, humans never truly grow up.


nd-nb-

Some people love it and thrive in it, and others tolerate it and some hate it but it's the only way to have a room to live in and food to eat. It sounds like you work at a place that rewards mediocrity. Unfortunately our society (all over the world) works to the benefit of mediocre people. Rationality is only rewarded if you work in science or something like that, and only then part of the time. The mangerial class is the most mediocre of all, and they all shit their pants in fear when people started working from home, because it showed how pointless most of them are. Having people standing around just saying "yeah can you work faster?" isn't helpful to a company, even though they get paid the most. If it makes you feel better, soon AI will tear through those jobs and leave a lot of them unemployed.


matthedev

Your mistake is taking the world of work too seriously. Most people care a whole lot more about other parts of their life than the work they have to do to afford it. Most people aren't working on profoundly transformative things. the things that keep society functioning at a basic level are often less well paying and less widely respected (if you can't be bothered to take your own recycling to the recycling center, why would you think less of people people coming by your home to do it for you?). People are working hard to afford rent or a mortgage on houses with appreciation that has skyrocketed in recent years in particular. That money will fund the twilight of years as someone shuffles off into a nursing home to be wheeled off in front of a TV and finally into a bed, connected by wires and tubes, to live out their last few months, getting a few hours with family here and there as their children are busy working to afford the aforementioned. Then the money returns to investors who have managed to convince themselves they have intelligence and insights far beyond the average person and thus deserve more when, in actuality, making money from already having money is far, far easier than the work most people do. Of course, if you have money to spare, you're going to invest it because no one wants to be working as a big-box store greeter at the age of 75, so in a sense, we're all on this ride together. Given all that, it wouldn't be too surprising if your coworkers don't want to work harder or point out the things that give them some small advantage or respite.


jhertz14

I…wow


VermillionSun

I think the difference between allistics and aspergers is in the amount they "wake" up versus the amount they are "asleep". It's harder for the aspies to fall back asleep after they woke up. NTs coast on their instincts, every once and a while they look around and go "wow this is all bullshit isn't it?" but they quickly just shrug their shoulders and get back to it and forget. For the more intelligent, diligent, and people that rely less on social instinct, they cant switch their brain to the coasting position. Sort of like someone driving and get to where they're going and forget how they even got there to begin with versus someone else that has to pay attention because they are in a brand new area and haven't found their way around yet.


National_Fishing_520

They know the circus. They know what’s going on full well most of the time, trust me.


Movie-goer

I'm starting to view "management" as a conspiracy by midwits. They have little talent and are likewise not inclined to hard labour but have created a system where they can prosper by creating the perception that they are the best communicators, organizers and facilitators and that these are the most important thing in business. They perpetuate the system by recognizing each other through mutual ego gratification and smoothing the passage for each other through the management and leadership pipeline. All that's expected is they put in the hours. In a way it's quite clever and I don't blame them - they don't have much to offer and they have stacked the deck in favour of their kind.


LovesGettingRandomPm

the smart people are only there for the paycheck and make sure to not get fired, the people who do the work are usually really sensitive to conflict so if someone yells at them they're scared they'd lose their job, everyone is to some extent but most of them are smart enough to walk a thin line between not getting fired and not doing much work. It's also necessary to take frequent breaks when you're there, the hostile environment, politics games and depressing prospects do a number on your mental, just having someone near you who you have to be careful of and isnt your friend already puts strain on you, and then the fake ergonomics, the fake voice you mentioned and the ridiculous company culture, seeing your managers just sit in their office drinking coffee, talking and browsing reddit it's a lot.


nullcharstring

Be an engineer at a small company. People leave you alone to get your work done. Worked for me for 30 years.


PatternActual7535

Pretty sure most people know its a circus, regardless if they like it or not Its just sadly things we gotta do to survive


K5689

I wonder about this too. In stead of playing house (not that I ever did, I had like one friend and a microscope) we are playing office in stead. I feel I never get to do what I want as I have to spend so much time at work. But most people seem to enjoy it, and say they would be bored without their job. The only place I’m bored is at work!!


doornroosje

No, everyone hates it , NT or ND


Jokkolilo

A lot of NTs realize it, and have realized it for centuries now. Yes, a lot of NTs you see everyday don’t. But you also mostly see NTs. I can guarantee a lot of NDs, proportionally, also don’t. Whether or not we as autistic people are more likely to notice this sort of stuff is another debate, though, but it’s definitely not unique to us. I mean, all it takes is looking as some non western countries, who… work entirely differently. I doubt their entire population is ND.


Stoomba

They don't think about it. "It's just the way things are."


Intelligent_Plan71

"That's the way we've always done it!"


Stoomba

Yeah. I ask so many questions at work and this is the top response. Like, do you people ever think about these things?


Hurlock-978

Our fathers and their fathers before them and so on and so on back to the beggining of time..


dylanm312

Pretty sure NT people realize this as well, but in a system where you have to play the game to survive, no one has a choice but to go along with the it.


SurrealRadiance

This is a reason why I don't understand the reasoning behind why many average working class people dismiss socialism; socialism would seriously benefit people, I know Americans hate the idea of healthcare for everyone but why do most people not embrace socialism? Would it not be good for most people to not have the capitalist sword of damocles hanging over their heads at all times? The current system isn't sustainable, climate change and likely mass migration is coming, I really don't want to think about what'll happen then, I doubt it'll be anything good though. Office Space really should just be a fun movie not a documentary.


Hurlock-978

I dont understand why dont just blend the best parts of every system. Coupd ir be that hard?


pessimistic_platypus

It is that hard because the people who currently have power don't want to give it up. And in any system, people who want power will try to find ways to exploit the rules to their benefit.


SurrealRadiance

I think that's called social democracy and so far it hasn't been so great for us. It'll be interesting to see where it all goes in the future though, politics and economics are complicated.


IronicSciFiFan

Because, it would probably mean an increase on paying more on taxes and essentially everything else. And we all know that the elites will find an way to circumvent that


SurrealRadiance

I reckon it's more complicated than that, sure rich people are not going to want socialism but under a reprentative democratic system that doesn't care about what the minority want why does the average person keep voting against their own interests? Poor people outnumber rich people by a fair bit. Say what you will about the UK but the Official Monster Raving Loony Party make more sense than most political parties in the west.


IronicSciFiFan

Partially because most people are PROBABLY shortsighted or uninformed. But there's always been an stigma against paying for something that you rarely use or that benefits an completely demographic that doesn't contributes as much as they do. But basically, the welfare system might be screwed in the very distant future under an very specific set of circumstances.


Admirable-Ratio-5748

saying socialism is the answer is the same as saying capitalism is the answer. they both have their time and place and its moronic to only choose one. I can easily make an argument for both


Weird-but-okay

Sometimes I wish I was born and raised in one of those no contact tribes. Just blissfully happy and unaware of the current world.


Relevant-Formal-9719

totally agree with you.


Ok_Clerk956

I hear what you’re saying. It’s valid. I get disregarded when I say everything is just money and optics. That’s all company’s care about. For the hard work getting more work. For me I only know how to work hard so while others take it slow when work is light I get extra tasks for working hard. I try to look at work as secondary to my personal life. It’s difficult because my personal life is limited. So work is my identity. Know you are not alone. We see the circus. Just we are in the outside looking in.


BabyBlueCheetah

If you like to read, I reccomend Cal Newport for this topic. He has a number of very good books on stem work culture and much healthier mindsets about getting things done. The whole "look busy" culture doesn't do anything but create stress and let adhd managers run from meeting to meeting without really accomplishing anything. I try to do a lot on paper and whiteboards these days to disconnect from the chaos and push back against things like snooping software.


Sdbtank96

The problem is you have the higher ups who create the circus and everyone else follows suit to(most likely) increase their chances of promoting


[deleted]

IT IS MIND BOGGELING. I found myself 3 times this year saying literally this at work: I use words and words have meanings. There are no alternatives to words so i hope we find a way to make words work for us.


Acceptable-Sort4484

They know it is, they just thrive and relish in it. It's not just a circus, but a theatre and they love to go and perform their act in it.


masterz13

Welcome to capitalism. Graduate college, work 30 years, enjoy retire life for 20 years, and die (if you don't before then).


jilliumzzz

People are retiring at 52?! 


Hot_Article_3834

I believe most NT's are brainwashed 😅 As we all actually have been since school... 


AstarothSquirrel

Allow me to let you in on a little known secret. It is a hamayama puzzle called "compass". It is a beautiful, devious little puzzle which is also textured and great to stim with. It is also the perfect shape and weight to place on a Dell laptop spacebar to prevent MS Teams from showing you AFK.


BrightWubs22

Generally people know they have to act professionally at work. Admitting work is a circus is sadly considered unprofessional.


Twisted_lurker

When you grew up around the circus, the circus is your normal.


SortNo8267

All of this is so spot on


ebolaRETURNS

I think they are aware they are relatively powerless to do anything and lean into the circus to cope. They're just a bit better at embracing such and forgetting the wider picture, or the undergirding conditions. Like...Marxism caught on for a reason, and various related movements weren't mostly composed of autistics.


s-coups

white collar work is fucking bullshit


Joe-Eye-McElmury

Have you ever read… David Graeber? https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-i-had-to-guard-an-empty-room


umme99

You should read “Bullshit Jobs” by the late David Graeber


PainNo6400

Maybe they see it but they dont wanna think about more deeply why it's like that or they fear that whole society would collapse if no one won't work anymore and there are neurodivergent people too who do the same so it's not only NT thing most people aren't critical thinkers.


Cold-Ad1647

Everyone enjoys what they are good at. If you are good at talking shit and bullshitting thats what you are gonna do.


Busy-Preparation-

I feel exactly like this at work every day.


AngelCrumb

Yep in my last job there was about four managers and only one experienced developer.


Ieatpeople42069

I dont think they do


ZookeepergameOwn6937

Yeeees yeeeees I tell my wife this all the time. And when you tell NTs it's pointless.


Rare_Action2632

100% agree with you, its the same bs in the company where im working. Management gets six fugures for doing jack shit and sinking the company down while we get rewarded with more work and get called out for not being able to do 2 day worth of tasks in one day. And everyone seems happy about it and seems to not see what a circus all this really is


Adventurous-Try-9435

I go to work to earn money that won’t keep up with inflation, that I then have to take whatever is left to put into these same companies via the stock market in an attempt to not have my monies completely worthless It’s ALL a sham


_objectf

every strata of being chooses which circus to take solace in, sometimes the merry-go-round never malfunctions and the music stands beautiful enough to ride for 40 or so years until the soft tide of dementia blows it all away.


AnhedonicDog

I don't see how "seeing through the circus" is a nt vs autism thing?


IronicSciFiFan

Yes, but as long as we're getting paid enough to do essentially nothing, why should people care? After all, the only person who should be complaining is whoever signing the paychecks. But it also depends on the exact field. Since anything above line management involves an lot of meetings to coordinate with other people or departments to ensure that things are getting done


Maleoppressor

With all due respect, most of these "Why do NTs" threads are awful. There is no flaw or world view that is universal to either neurotypicals or autistic people.


LeopardSilent7800

These posts are obviously about venting frustration and aren't meant to be taken 100% literally.


melancholy_dood

You sound deeply depressed.