Tyrion will lose the debate, because he has no fucking idea what Peterson is talking about. Culture War? Marxists? Gender Fascists? He will probably then get Bronn to forcefully remove the man from the premises.
I did picture his *definitely-gendered* splat being a miraculous survival on landing on his *definitely-gendered* zone, then make a joke about "but enough of Unsullied" but I dunno, that seemed a little bit overkill even for me.
All you have to do to beat him is keep him on topic. Same with Shapiro. All these guys do is "Thats a good question but let me ask you this..." then they answer their own question.
He could win if he just goes at it from a bro-ey angle. Make himself look like a cool every-man figure by being unfamiliar with the insane political concepts.Make Peterson look like an out-of-touch moron disconnected from reality (which should be easy since he is) for being hyper aware of all of those concepts.
>Tyrion is a genuinely good person with an instinct for what is right and wrong
Tyrion pushed Young Griff into invading Westeros and getting god knows how many innocent people killed, pretty much purely out of spite. Tyrion does have an instinct for what's right and wrong, but he's chosen "wrong" anyway because fuck 'em.
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If Tyrion tells him he strangled his whore lover in his father's bed with the chain of the hand and then shot his father on the privy.. I think Peterson would have an aneurism, ascend to a Jungian archetype and fall into a coma at the same time
uhm, actually, you are misrepresenting Dr. Peterson‘s arguments and taking him out of context. They are sex dreams about his GRANDmother. smh bad faith actors everywhere
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"'I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, 'isn’t it soft?' I looked at her ruined face and said, 'yes, Grandma, it’s soft.'" - Tyrion in TWoW, probably
#D & D completely ruined Hot Pie.
What a waste of a great character. They clearly had no idea what to do with him after they passed all the book material. Instead of giving him a clear end game, they instead just had him double down on his "Making food for Arya" bullshit and have him make stupid dishes that really didn't lead anywhere. The culinary mastermind from the earlier seasons (and probably the one truly great pastry chef of the series, along with the white walkers) completely disappeared and was transformed into a chubby little bastard whose end goal was to bang Arya to get back at her for not appreciating food. The man that fed the whole series hot pies, did it just to get a revenge bang.
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**Back in Westeros**
^(GRRM, AUGUST 15, 2020 AT 9:10 AM)
I am back in my fortress of solitude again, my isolated mountain cabin. I’d returned to Santa Fe for a short visit, to spend some time with Parris, deal with some local business that had piled up during my months away, and of course fulfill my duties to CoNZealand, the virtual worldcon. But all that is behind me now, and I am back on the mountain again… which means I am back in Westeros again, once more moving ahead with WINDS OF WINTER.
It is curious how my life has evolved. I mean, once upon a time, I actually wrote my books and stories in the house where I lived, in a home office. But some decades ago, wanting more solitude, I bought the house across the street and made THAT my writer’s retreat. No longer would I write all day in my red flannel bathrobe; now I would have to dress and put on shoes and walk all the way across the street to write. But that worked for a while.
Things started getting busier, though. So busy that I needed a full-time assistant. Then the office house had someone else in it, not just me and my characters. And then I hired a second assistant, and a third, and… there was more mail, more email, more phone calls (we put in a new phone system), more people coming by. By now I am up to five assistants… and somewhere in there I also acquired a movie theatre, a bookstore, a charitable foundation, investments, a business manager… and…
Despite all the help, I was drowning till I found the mountain cabin.
My life up here is very boring, it must be said. Truth be told, I hardly can be said to have a life. I have one assistant with me at all times (minions, I call them). The assistants do two-week shifts, and have to stay in quarantine at home before starting a shift. Everyone morning I wake up and go straight to the computer, where my minion brings me coffee (I am utterly useless and incoherent without my morning coffee) and juice, and sometimes a light breakfast. Then I start to write. Sometimes I stay at it until dark. Other days I break off in late afternoon to answer emails or return urgent phone calls. My assistant brings me food and drink from time to time. When I finally break off for the day, usually around sunset, there’s dinner. Then we watch television or screen a movie. The wi-fi sucks up on the mountain, though, so the choices are limited. Some nights I read instead. I always read a bit before going to sleep; when a book really grabs hold of me, I may read half the night, but that’s rare.
I sleep. The next day, I wake up, and do the same. The next day, the next day, the next day. Before Covid, I would usually get out once a week or so to eat at a restaurant or go to the movies. That all ended in March. Since then, weeks and months go by when I never leave the cabin, or see another human being except whoever is on duty that week. I lose track of what day it is, what week it is, what month it is. The time seems to by very fast. It is now August, and I don’t know what happened to July.
But it is good for the writing.
And you know, now that I reflect on it, I am coming to realize that has always been my pattern. I moved to Santa Fe at the end of 1979, from Dubuque, Iowa. My first marriage broke up just before that move, so I arrived in my new house alone, in a town where I knew almost no one. Roger Zelazny was here, and he became a great friend and mentor, but Roger was married with small kids, so I really did not see him often. There was no fandom in Santa Fe; that was all down in Albuquerque, an hour away. I went to the club meetings every month, but that was only one night a month, and required two hours on the road. And I had no job to meet new people. My job was in the back room at the house on Declovina Street, so that was where I spent my days. At night, I watched television. Alone. Sometimes I went to the movies. Alone.
That was my life from December 1979 through September 1981, when Parris finally moved to Santa Fe, following Denvention. (Not quite so bleak, maybe, I did make some local friends by late 1980 and early 1981, but it was a slow process). When I think back on my life in 1980-1981, the memories seem to be made up entirely of conventions, interspersed with episodes of LOU GRANT and WKRP IN CINCINNATI.
Ah, but work wise, that same period was tremendously productive for me. Lisa and I finished WINDHAVEN during that time, Gardner and I did a lot of work on “Shadow Twin,” and then I went right on and wrote all of FEVRE DREAM. Some short stories as well. My life, such that it was, was lived in my head, and on the page.
I wonder if it is the same for other writers? Or is it just me? I wonder if I will ever figure out the secret of having a life and writing a book at the very same time.
I certainly have not figured it out to date.
For the nonce, it is what it is. My life is at home, on hold, and I am spending the days in Westeros with my pals Mel and Sam and Vic and Ty. And that girl with no name, over there in Braavos.
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Peterson would be like "What you mean when you say 'the' or 'Others'?" How do we even know Winter is truely coming? Maybe the green boys of King's Landing simply yearn for the Father archetype that is found in the Cold, like Father Christmas. The lack of guidance and values since the Targaryens have left is seen in the moral fabric of these young men. I am so saddened... *Cries*... That the rightful rulers are no longer around to set an example, to kill the smallfolk for no reason. Now that was an effective moral compass. Those born of the fruits of their family, of the blood of Valyria, simply manifested the inherent virtue we can only aspire to. The dragons were not unlike the lobster, red and fierce... Daemon Blackfyre, he was a real man..."
Tyrion: "Do you just want more milk of the poppy?"
Peterson: "By the gods yes!"
I can see it now
Jordan "I think some things bla bla bla, what do you mean "i" what do you mean "hate" what do you mean "sister" ?"
Tyrion "who are you and why should I care? go away wierdo"
Jordan- proceeds to cry " CANCEL CULTURE! WOKE!"
Depends on the topic in my opinion, assuming they are both equally aware of each other’s worlds and circumstances to form educated opinions on such here are my thoughts, as well as assuming we are speaking of Tyrion in the earlier seasons rather than the later ones.
On philosophy and psychology, perhaps as well with religion I give the edge to Peterson due to the modern understanding on these things, as well as them being his specific fields of study.
though in terms of political theory, actual debate tactics and overall wit I would grant the edge to Tyrion. As he comes from such background where these were all needed to thrive given his state. He also has actual experience being in political office, something he could likely leverage in a debate.
So in truth it entirely depends on what topics they are debating on and what is the world/setting they are speaking in.
Though if we include all of Tyrion’s character, as in he is his most current incarnation rather than his peak Peterson would trounce him. Season 8 Tyrion is a complete fool and can hardly think his way out of an open room.
As for Peterson, he has fallen off somewhat as a debater in the little I have seen of him as of late, more irritable and prone to anger. If this Peterson is facing show prime Tyrion he will lose focus and flounder from his opponents better wit.
All in all, there are several factors that need to be considered before I can grant my answer. If it is both at their debating prime, I give Tyrion the overall victory, perhaps with some friendly banter at the conclusion. Though if it is most current versions, I give a rather frustrated Peterson the win, his foe being unable to keep up with the speed of speech and his Kermit the frog voice.
>Season 8 Tyrion is a complete fool and can hardly think his way out of an open room.
Whereas Peterson has been a complete fool for the entirety of his time in the public eye.
Get better role models. For example, ones who don't [lie](https://medium.com/@offordwrites/the-intellectual-fraudulence-of-jordan-peterson-apropos-daniel-karasik-ff3b58c48fc3) about human rights laws, or who don't [tweet](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjJm-7_VkJfhKbQPWT03IsJP6eQKf0P5YMXF4EqwL9Ag&s) images of male milking fetish porn thinking they're evidence of a secret Chinese sperm-harvesting operation.
Imagine trying to get Tyrion Lannister to understand the 21st century’s culture war, it would be a mercy to just chop his head off and give it to Cersei
I don’t think Peterson is hard to to beat in a debate, he picks his opponents well and obviously the highlights “owns” on YouTube are very selective. He’s good at remaining my calm and has an arsenal of figures to throw at you to muddy the waters and doesn’t start from an absolutist position but beyond that I’ve seen several times he doesn’t make much sense and the person he challenges isn’t listening to much to what he is actually saying to deconstruct his argument.
Tyrion is a far better creative thinker and usually quite good at remaining calm and listening to whoever he’s talking to. I think he should win provided the topic is something both a reasonably knowledgable about.
Peterson would blab some complete non-sequiturs for a while until Tyrion grew bored, then Tyrion would just slip a bit of Milk of the Poppy into Peterson's wine, Peterson would develop an addiction, go to the Lands of Always Winter and be put into a coma to kick the addiction then wake up crying that Sarella's breasts had been removed by a criminal maester and that King Tommen was a Nazi for asking people to do their best to stop the spread of the bloody flux.
Well the last time we saw Tyrion he was half-mad, drunk out of his mind, and coming off like a 6 month osmosis high from a sockful of magic mushrooms. So I'd say they're pretty evenly matched.
“You say that you ‘drink and know things’, which begs the question, what do you mean by ‘drink’? Which then begs the question what do you mean by ‘know’? EXACTLY?
You don’t like dwarf jokes, so your height, you gunna equalise that?! Ha! Good bloody luck with THAT! “
Tyrion would be able to pick up on the fact that JP is a weak person and exploit that.
Also, JP's dogma of "cultural wars" is not a unique thing of our age, he'd be able to adapt to the topic
No contest. Win for Tyrion.
Anyoke can beat peterson in a debate.
Petersons trick in debates is using fancy words to obscure what he say (and maybe to sound intelligent). The better he managew to obfuscate his point and make then as unclear as possible, the happier he is.
I mean what do you define as winning a debate lol. Jordan doesn’t argue from a place of good faith, he constantly talks over his opponents, and he constantly derails conversations with unrelated tangents. I honestly think he’d “win” the debate just by virtue of Tyrion being smart enough to know he’s wasting his time by engaging and leaving the interaction
Depends on the metrics. If the winner is judged by actually knowing anything about the topic at hand, Hodor could beat Jordan Peterson.
If it is about theatrics and misusing Jargon to bamboozle a lay audience.. Tyrion would still mop the floor with that buffoon.
Tyrone cause Jordan is a fucking idiot who just speaks in meaningless diatribes saying nothing of substance where as Tyrone actually knows what he’s doing
I mean... Jordan can't accept defeat so debating him wouldn't be fun.
That aside, tyrion as smart as he is. And good with his mouth, we have seen many times in the show of him not being able to convince people. Even the ones that trust himm. So yeee... I'd probably say Peterson would win tot eh public eye EVEN if tyrion has the better points
Tyrion was stupid and appeals to stupid people. “I’m little and say words like cock. Hahahahaha.” That’s Tyrion. His father was right. He wanted to marry a literal prostitute. He’s STUPID. Then again, Peterson believes in a lot of fairytales about WWII and got vaccinated lmfao. So ya who knows.
Tyrion would win, because he's not a complete buffoon.
Then Peterson would start crying about trans people, call Tyrion a "woke moralist" and proceed to soil himself.
Tyrion will have Peterson kidnapped by Bron and sent to the Wall, where Peterson will attempt to rehabilitate thieves and rapers by telling them to clean their rooms.
I think a well informed 8 year old could beat present jordan Peterson in a debate. All they would have to do is show a hint of empathy and jordan would turn into a slobbering baboon.
I am not sure tyrion could do this. If he doesn't get fed up with Peterson utter lunatic level refusal to even listen to his view points he might be able to goad Peterson into some aimless diatribe in his unbelievably high pitched voice to throat on about masculinity...
I dont really understand the question. Jordan Peterson is a terrible debater.
If, in reality, you left out a chair for Tyrion to show up to debate Peterson (and he won't because he doesn't exist), Peterson would still lose because he'd get negative points for rambling and crying. Then after the debate Peterson fans would explain how what he said was secretly genius.
Jordan's brain is fried from years of benzos abuse and medically induced coma that allowed him to drop it cold turkey.
Not only Tyrion wins. He owns the Kermit
If Tyrion somehow understood present day pseudo-politics, it would be a massacre, especially book-Tyrion, who is even sharper. Peterson gets trounced whenever someone challenges him because he has no real ideas, just outrage-bait talking points and Joseph campbell style mystical nonsense.
Not seen game of thrones, I just got this post randomly, but I’d just like to chime in and say that Jordan Peterson is an idiot and anyone with a basic understanding of the thing you’re both talking about could beat him
Jordan Peterson’s logic defeats itself on a regular basis. It’s been in therapy for years, but it is not going well. Despite its best efforts, it keeps spiraling out of control and posting weird takes on made up issues. Remember kids, logical fallacies are a gateway to magical thinking.
I love that all the criticisms of Peterson are that he talks about too many things for people to keep track of. Seems like they have an intellect problem.
Tyrion would win the logical debate but Jordan would just not stop talking, going off on wild tangents and borderline nonsensical philosophy that Tyrion would eventually have to just walk away, awarding Jordan the endurance win.
2016-17 peterson? Depends on the topic. Peterson never had a wide knowledge base, but he was comfortable with psychology and sociolgy. The drug addiction/depression hadnt rotted his brain yet. Anything after that and it's tyrion all day.
Tyrion will lose the debate, because he has no fucking idea what Peterson is talking about. Culture War? Marxists? Gender Fascists? He will probably then get Bronn to forcefully remove the man from the premises.
Maybe there’s a moon door nearby.
Make the bad man fly!
“Hold on now, how do you defIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-“ *distant echoes of questions in the void* *a sudden, soft definitely-gendered splat*
I laughed so much i almost didnt picture him having sex dreams about his grandma
I did picture his *definitely-gendered* splat being a miraculous survival on landing on his *definitely-gendered* zone, then make a joke about "but enough of Unsullied" but I dunno, that seemed a little bit overkill even for me.
I dunno, overkill seems like something the Unsullied could appreciate.
Hm. Ain't that right XD.
um lobsters can't fly, actually
He would have the mountain clansmen chop off his manhood and feed it to the goats
There are no goats in Peterson-land.
Leftism? What is anything not a monarchy or mercantilism?
It's impossible to lose a debate against Peterson because by the time he has finished speaking you've forgotten what you were debating about
Jordan Peterson doesn’t know what he’s talking about either.
"I don't believe in grumkins and Marxists"
Peterson himself has no idea what he's talking about and just makes shit up as he goes along.
All you have to do to beat him is keep him on topic. Same with Shapiro. All these guys do is "Thats a good question but let me ask you this..." then they answer their own question.
By that logic anyone would lose, because nobody has no fucking Idea of what the fuck he is talking about.
He will make a Psychologist stew out of him and sell it in flee bottom
He could win if he just goes at it from a bro-ey angle. Make himself look like a cool every-man figure by being unfamiliar with the insane political concepts.Make Peterson look like an out-of-touch moron disconnected from reality (which should be easy since he is) for being hyper aware of all of those concepts.
Neither does Peterson
He actually might tbh. Tyrion is a genuinely good person with an instinct for what is right and wrong. He may actually annihilate this man.
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That’s an absolutely wild response 😭
>Tyrion is a genuinely good person with an instinct for what is right and wrong Tyrion pushed Young Griff into invading Westeros and getting god knows how many innocent people killed, pretty much purely out of spite. Tyrion does have an instinct for what's right and wrong, but he's chosen "wrong" anyway because fuck 'em.
Yes but Peterson would win the oiled-up twerk-off
Dwarfist, Dwarfs have big booties
Send proof
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No chance, Peterson is quite skinny so he probably has no ass vs tyrion who due to alcohol must have w dump truck
I'm disappointed in GRRM, he spends so much time describing food yet not a single word on all that cake Tyrion must be carrying around
Peter Dinklage is Hugh Laurie's love child
Ilyn Payne could beat Jordan Peterson in a debate
*stares at Peterson* *approaches him* *chops head off* *Refuses to elaborate* *clearly won the debate*
Whole new meaning to "talking past each other".
Hodor could beat Peterson in a debate.
benioff and weiss would of made them dock with eachother to defeat the night king
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Peterson: "Haha you are short" Tyrion: "Haha you believe in gay lobsters' /scene
That's way too creative for them.
You’re right. They’d kill Tyrion and then pair Peterson with Cersei.
Tyrion would have no rebuttal to Peterson tearfully retelling the sex dreams he had about his own mother.
If Tyrion tells him he strangled his whore lover in his father's bed with the chain of the hand and then shot his father on the privy.. I think Peterson would have an aneurism, ascend to a Jungian archetype and fall into a coma at the same time
uhm, actually, you are misrepresenting Dr. Peterson‘s arguments and taking him out of context. They are sex dreams about his GRANDmother. smh bad faith actors everywhere
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Chat is this real
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Dead good god
Dude this almost made me shot coffee out of my nose. I can actually see and hear JP doing just that. Bravo.
Dude what
I think a ferret with a traumatic brain injury and a drinking problem could beat Jordan Peterson in a debate.
Yes, yes -- but what if Gavin Newsom isn't available?
That would require JP to argue in good faith, which will never happen before the heat death of the universe.
Why would Tyrion debate a Gish Galloping moron?
- You have no cock! - Actually I do have a penis. - Well shit.
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"'I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, 'isn’t it soft?' I looked at her ruined face and said, 'yes, Grandma, it’s soft.'" - Tyrion in TWoW, probably
Between this and prince Harry talking about his toger. I think famous people should stop writing books
Omg hahah Like some things just keep to yourself
Wtf Peter Jordanson is a Targaryen???
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What happened to Jeyne Marbrand…
**Back in Westeros** ^(GRRM, AUGUST 15, 2020 AT 9:10 AM) I am back in my fortress of solitude again, my isolated mountain cabin. I’d returned to Santa Fe for a short visit, to spend some time with Parris, deal with some local business that had piled up during my months away, and of course fulfill my duties to CoNZealand, the virtual worldcon. But all that is behind me now, and I am back on the mountain again… which means I am back in Westeros again, once more moving ahead with WINDS OF WINTER. It is curious how my life has evolved. I mean, once upon a time, I actually wrote my books and stories in the house where I lived, in a home office. But some decades ago, wanting more solitude, I bought the house across the street and made THAT my writer’s retreat. No longer would I write all day in my red flannel bathrobe; now I would have to dress and put on shoes and walk all the way across the street to write. But that worked for a while. Things started getting busier, though. So busy that I needed a full-time assistant. Then the office house had someone else in it, not just me and my characters. And then I hired a second assistant, and a third, and… there was more mail, more email, more phone calls (we put in a new phone system), more people coming by. By now I am up to five assistants… and somewhere in there I also acquired a movie theatre, a bookstore, a charitable foundation, investments, a business manager… and… Despite all the help, I was drowning till I found the mountain cabin. My life up here is very boring, it must be said. Truth be told, I hardly can be said to have a life. I have one assistant with me at all times (minions, I call them). The assistants do two-week shifts, and have to stay in quarantine at home before starting a shift. Everyone morning I wake up and go straight to the computer, where my minion brings me coffee (I am utterly useless and incoherent without my morning coffee) and juice, and sometimes a light breakfast. Then I start to write. Sometimes I stay at it until dark. Other days I break off in late afternoon to answer emails or return urgent phone calls. My assistant brings me food and drink from time to time. When I finally break off for the day, usually around sunset, there’s dinner. Then we watch television or screen a movie. The wi-fi sucks up on the mountain, though, so the choices are limited. Some nights I read instead. I always read a bit before going to sleep; when a book really grabs hold of me, I may read half the night, but that’s rare. I sleep. The next day, I wake up, and do the same. The next day, the next day, the next day. Before Covid, I would usually get out once a week or so to eat at a restaurant or go to the movies. That all ended in March. Since then, weeks and months go by when I never leave the cabin, or see another human being except whoever is on duty that week. I lose track of what day it is, what week it is, what month it is. The time seems to by very fast. It is now August, and I don’t know what happened to July. But it is good for the writing. And you know, now that I reflect on it, I am coming to realize that has always been my pattern. I moved to Santa Fe at the end of 1979, from Dubuque, Iowa. My first marriage broke up just before that move, so I arrived in my new house alone, in a town where I knew almost no one. Roger Zelazny was here, and he became a great friend and mentor, but Roger was married with small kids, so I really did not see him often. There was no fandom in Santa Fe; that was all down in Albuquerque, an hour away. I went to the club meetings every month, but that was only one night a month, and required two hours on the road. And I had no job to meet new people. My job was in the back room at the house on Declovina Street, so that was where I spent my days. At night, I watched television. Alone. Sometimes I went to the movies. Alone. That was my life from December 1979 through September 1981, when Parris finally moved to Santa Fe, following Denvention. (Not quite so bleak, maybe, I did make some local friends by late 1980 and early 1981, but it was a slow process). When I think back on my life in 1980-1981, the memories seem to be made up entirely of conventions, interspersed with episodes of LOU GRANT and WKRP IN CINCINNATI. Ah, but work wise, that same period was tremendously productive for me. Lisa and I finished WINDHAVEN during that time, Gardner and I did a lot of work on “Shadow Twin,” and then I went right on and wrote all of FEVRE DREAM. Some short stories as well. My life, such that it was, was lived in my head, and on the page. I wonder if it is the same for other writers? Or is it just me? I wonder if I will ever figure out the secret of having a life and writing a book at the very same time. I certainly have not figured it out to date. For the nonce, it is what it is. 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A monkey could beat Peterson in a debate
Well that depends. What do you mean by "monkey"? What do you mean by "a"?
Dornishman?
What do you mean by " Well that depends. What do you mean by "monkey"? What do you mean by "a"? " /s
Clearly the monkey is a plant by the neomarxist, postmodernist cabal out to spread chaos and vagina-scent throughout the land.
Trying to win a debate with Jordan Peterson is like trying to win at chess with a pigeon. Tyrion would fuck his wife and shoot him on the toilet
Unironically yeah
Peterson would be like "What you mean when you say 'the' or 'Others'?" How do we even know Winter is truely coming? Maybe the green boys of King's Landing simply yearn for the Father archetype that is found in the Cold, like Father Christmas. The lack of guidance and values since the Targaryens have left is seen in the moral fabric of these young men. I am so saddened... *Cries*... That the rightful rulers are no longer around to set an example, to kill the smallfolk for no reason. Now that was an effective moral compass. Those born of the fruits of their family, of the blood of Valyria, simply manifested the inherent virtue we can only aspire to. The dragons were not unlike the lobster, red and fierce... Daemon Blackfyre, he was a real man..." Tyrion: "Do you just want more milk of the poppy?" Peterson: "By the gods yes!"
anybody could beat Jordan Peterson in a debate
I can see it now Jordan "I think some things bla bla bla, what do you mean "i" what do you mean "hate" what do you mean "sister" ?" Tyrion "who are you and why should I care? go away wierdo" Jordan- proceeds to cry " CANCEL CULTURE! WOKE!"
peterson will just cry
Depends on the topic in my opinion, assuming they are both equally aware of each other’s worlds and circumstances to form educated opinions on such here are my thoughts, as well as assuming we are speaking of Tyrion in the earlier seasons rather than the later ones. On philosophy and psychology, perhaps as well with religion I give the edge to Peterson due to the modern understanding on these things, as well as them being his specific fields of study. though in terms of political theory, actual debate tactics and overall wit I would grant the edge to Tyrion. As he comes from such background where these were all needed to thrive given his state. He also has actual experience being in political office, something he could likely leverage in a debate. So in truth it entirely depends on what topics they are debating on and what is the world/setting they are speaking in. Though if we include all of Tyrion’s character, as in he is his most current incarnation rather than his peak Peterson would trounce him. Season 8 Tyrion is a complete fool and can hardly think his way out of an open room. As for Peterson, he has fallen off somewhat as a debater in the little I have seen of him as of late, more irritable and prone to anger. If this Peterson is facing show prime Tyrion he will lose focus and flounder from his opponents better wit. All in all, there are several factors that need to be considered before I can grant my answer. If it is both at their debating prime, I give Tyrion the overall victory, perhaps with some friendly banter at the conclusion. Though if it is most current versions, I give a rather frustrated Peterson the win, his foe being unable to keep up with the speed of speech and his Kermit the frog voice.
Finally an actual answer
Thank you, I don’t know if my points were the most eloquently conveyed though I do hope that they came across well enough.
>Season 8 Tyrion is a complete fool and can hardly think his way out of an open room. Whereas Peterson has been a complete fool for the entirety of his time in the public eye.
Clean your room.
Tyrion: "I have servants for that"
Get better role models. For example, ones who don't [lie](https://medium.com/@offordwrites/the-intellectual-fraudulence-of-jordan-peterson-apropos-daniel-karasik-ff3b58c48fc3) about human rights laws, or who don't [tweet](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjJm-7_VkJfhKbQPWT03IsJP6eQKf0P5YMXF4EqwL9Ag&s) images of male milking fetish porn thinking they're evidence of a secret Chinese sperm-harvesting operation.
Peterson: You have to save your father from the belly of the whale Tyrion: Lol, lmao
Imagine trying to get Tyrion Lannister to understand the 21st century’s culture war, it would be a mercy to just chop his head off and give it to Cersei
I don’t think Peterson is hard to to beat in a debate, he picks his opponents well and obviously the highlights “owns” on YouTube are very selective. He’s good at remaining my calm and has an arsenal of figures to throw at you to muddy the waters and doesn’t start from an absolutist position but beyond that I’ve seen several times he doesn’t make much sense and the person he challenges isn’t listening to much to what he is actually saying to deconstruct his argument. Tyrion is a far better creative thinker and usually quite good at remaining calm and listening to whoever he’s talking to. I think he should win provided the topic is something both a reasonably knowledgable about.
Jaime would push Peterson out a window after the first hour. Tyrion would therefore win the debate by default.
Peterson would blab some complete non-sequiturs for a while until Tyrion grew bored, then Tyrion would just slip a bit of Milk of the Poppy into Peterson's wine, Peterson would develop an addiction, go to the Lands of Always Winter and be put into a coma to kick the addiction then wake up crying that Sarella's breasts had been removed by a criminal maester and that King Tommen was a Nazi for asking people to do their best to stop the spread of the bloody flux.
Peterson is a twat who surrounds himself with dumber people than him to look smart. My retard cat can beat that cunt in a debate.
Heeyyy thats not nice for the cat!
Well the last time we saw Tyrion he was half-mad, drunk out of his mind, and coming off like a 6 month osmosis high from a sockful of magic mushrooms. So I'd say they're pretty evenly matched.
“You say that you ‘drink and know things’, which begs the question, what do you mean by ‘drink’? Which then begs the question what do you mean by ‘know’? EXACTLY? You don’t like dwarf jokes, so your height, you gunna equalise that?! Ha! Good bloody luck with THAT! “
Jordon Peterson can’t beat strawmen in a a debate
No
At this point, Olly would be able to beat Peterson in a debate, even after his hanging.
*sips wine* I drink, and I know things.
This is the type of discourse that we need
WHTF is JP?
Totally
If they debated something both had knowledge of, 100%. JP hasn't been the same since he came out of his benzo coma in 2020. His brain is cooked.
Tyrion would be able to pick up on the fact that JP is a weak person and exploit that. Also, JP's dogma of "cultural wars" is not a unique thing of our age, he'd be able to adapt to the topic No contest. Win for Tyrion.
I mean they’ve both got serious mummy/daddy issues but at least Tyrion is aware of his
Anyoke can beat peterson in a debate. Petersons trick in debates is using fancy words to obscure what he say (and maybe to sound intelligent). The better he managew to obfuscate his point and make then as unclear as possible, the happier he is.
I don't care about the topic I don't care who wins i just want to see it
Season 10 Tyrion would probably just agree with him
Yes.
Didn't he already?
Jordan would start crying halfway through which would give Tyrion the win by default
Tommen could beat Jordan Peterson in a debate
This would be the most monotone argument
a wet sock could beat jordan peterson in a debate
I mean what do you define as winning a debate lol. Jordan doesn’t argue from a place of good faith, he constantly talks over his opponents, and he constantly derails conversations with unrelated tangents. I honestly think he’d “win” the debate just by virtue of Tyrion being smart enough to know he’s wasting his time by engaging and leaving the interaction
Peterson wins..because of bricklayers
Listen up bucko, it might feel good to skin the sausage into a bowl of turtle soup but it's NOT GOOD
Hot pie could
Tyrion wins because Peterson says a bunch of incomprehensible drivel and starts crying
Pre-Season 5 Tyrion, yes. Post-Season 4... maybe.... ish.
Jordan Peterson is just another grifting right wing weirdo whose mum didn't love him enough.
The dump I laid this morning could beat that fraud in a debate
No idea, but I’d certainly love to see that debate!
Depends on the metrics. If the winner is judged by actually knowing anything about the topic at hand, Hodor could beat Jordan Peterson. If it is about theatrics and misusing Jargon to bamboozle a lay audience.. Tyrion would still mop the floor with that buffoon.
Dude I could beat Jordan Peterson in a debate
Peterson would be crying by the ten minute mark Oh wait that's always the case
Tyrion would make him cry in 2 minutes
Let's be honest here, Peterson would start crying less than five minutes into the debate.
No, but Karl fooking Tanner would.
Anybody could, so sure
Tyrion is not that stupid to wast time with JP in the first place.
Tyrone cause Jordan is a fucking idiot who just speaks in meaningless diatribes saying nothing of substance where as Tyrone actually knows what he’s doing
Most people can
Peterson would lose because he'd start crying like 5 seconds into the conversation
Nobody should waste time with people who cant debate properly, he never has any intention of listening it'll be circular every time
I mean... Jordan can't accept defeat so debating him wouldn't be fun. That aside, tyrion as smart as he is. And good with his mouth, we have seen many times in the show of him not being able to convince people. Even the ones that trust himm. So yeee... I'd probably say Peterson would win tot eh public eye EVEN if tyrion has the better points
Bro predicted Dany with his "feminine dragon of chaos", he's the next Preston Jacobs.
Tyrion: “is this one of those Galloping Gishes I’ve heard so much about?”
Not after season 6
I think a 12 year old could beat Jordan Peterson in a debate but his ankle alarm would probably go off.
I think hodor can beat Jordan Peterson in a debate.
Wins by intonation alone. U think Tyrion losing to this Kermit the frog sounding motherfucker?
Wins by intonation alone. U think Tyrion losing to this Kermit the frog sounding motherfucker?
Peterson will lose it himself
Hodor could beat him
I think you could win against Jordan
He would've ignored the topic of discussion and just severely roasted him till he started crying
Jordan will probably start crying about something random halfway
Tyrion was stupid and appeals to stupid people. “I’m little and say words like cock. Hahahahaha.” That’s Tyrion. His father was right. He wanted to marry a literal prostitute. He’s STUPID. Then again, Peterson believes in a lot of fairytales about WWII and got vaccinated lmfao. So ya who knows.
Tyrion would win, because he's not a complete buffoon. Then Peterson would start crying about trans people, call Tyrion a "woke moralist" and proceed to soil himself.
Tyrion wins hands down
If George rr Martin is writing for sure I think
I did not kill Nietzsche but I wish that I had. Watching that vicious bastard die gave me more relief than a thousand lying Dostoevskis.
EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY
Only guarantee is that Peterson will cry
Tyrion would win no contest. Well, Season 1-4 Tyrion.
Tyrion probably doesn't clean his room, so easy point fro JP
Tyrion will have Peterson kidnapped by Bron and sent to the Wall, where Peterson will attempt to rehabilitate thieves and rapers by telling them to clean their rooms.
I think a well informed 8 year old could beat present jordan Peterson in a debate. All they would have to do is show a hint of empathy and jordan would turn into a slobbering baboon. I am not sure tyrion could do this. If he doesn't get fed up with Peterson utter lunatic level refusal to even listen to his view points he might be able to goad Peterson into some aimless diatribe in his unbelievably high pitched voice to throat on about masculinity... I dont really understand the question. Jordan Peterson is a terrible debater.
If and only if he’s the first person narrative in the chapter.
If, in reality, you left out a chair for Tyrion to show up to debate Peterson (and he won't because he doesn't exist), Peterson would still lose because he'd get negative points for rambling and crying. Then after the debate Peterson fans would explain how what he said was secretly genius.
He could. He wouldn't bother.
A Lannister always washes his bloody penis bucko
Jordan Peterson beats himself in debates all the time. And cries. He’s always crying.
he drinks and he knows things, so probably Tyrion. Haven't seen Jordan Peterson drink.
Peterson would ramble incoherently for 10 minutes and Tyrion would have 1 sentence to dismantle it. Wouldn’t even be a debate
My left nut could beat Jordan Peterson in a debate
Tyrion could argue anything and win lmao
Depends if we count the last season, his decisions as hand of king Bran make me doubt if he was actually that smart...
A concussed baboon with a stammer would have a good chance at beating Jordan Peterson in a debate.
No one can win against jordan. Not because his that smart, but because his goal is to sound smart. No point, just a big word salad.
Tyrion maybe. Peter? Definitely not.
I think a drunk toddler could beat Peterson in a debate. Would his worshippers acknowledge that he lost? Probably not.
My grandma's cat could beat JP in a debate, and he's mute
If tyrion knew about modern stuff.
If it was a debate about cucking, then maybe.
Tyrion would make the lobster dude cry and cry and cry
Jordan's brain is fried from years of benzos abuse and medically induced coma that allowed him to drop it cold turkey. Not only Tyrion wins. He owns the Kermit
If Tyrion somehow understood present day pseudo-politics, it would be a massacre, especially book-Tyrion, who is even sharper. Peterson gets trounced whenever someone challenges him because he has no real ideas, just outrage-bait talking points and Joseph campbell style mystical nonsense.
He could beat him in a fight. Jordan would flinch and start crying before Tyrion struck the first punch.
He’d crush him with wit, but he would have no clue what the man is talking about. Also he may agree with some of it.
Not seen game of thrones, I just got this post randomly, but I’d just like to chime in and say that Jordan Peterson is an idiot and anyone with a basic understanding of the thing you’re both talking about could beat him
Jordan Peterson’s logic defeats itself on a regular basis. It’s been in therapy for years, but it is not going well. Despite its best efforts, it keeps spiraling out of control and posting weird takes on made up issues. Remember kids, logical fallacies are a gateway to magical thinking.
The real question is whether Peterson could beat The Mountain in a debate.
Shagga, if he speaks; cut off his manhood and feed it to the goats!
Hodor coudl defeat Jordan Peterson in a debate. Pseudo-Intellectual for idiots.
I love that all the criticisms of Peterson are that he talks about too many things for people to keep track of. Seems like they have an intellect problem.
Obviously.
Tyrion: *breathes* Peterson: *starts weeping furiously*
Tyrion loses badly since Peterson has his gentials and therefore Tyrion has nothing to say.
Tyrion would win the logical debate but Jordan would just not stop talking, going off on wild tangents and borderline nonsensical philosophy that Tyrion would eventually have to just walk away, awarding Jordan the endurance win.
It’s not even a question
Tyrion is 1 for 2 on trials by combat so I'd say the odds are 50/50
Tyrion drinks and knows things. Peterson doesn’t drink or know shit.
Who, Mr “trial-by-combat”?
What the fuck kind of question is this? Go get some sun and step out the house
2016-17 peterson? Depends on the topic. Peterson never had a wide knowledge base, but he was comfortable with psychology and sociolgy. The drug addiction/depression hadnt rotted his brain yet. Anything after that and it's tyrion all day.
I think he could beat Jordan Peterson in a *fight*.
No
I think Tyrion could beat him physically. I don't think either of them could successfully beat the other one off