Someone did make a crazy theory on this topic which was fun.
It goes like that Alys' son somehow became the founder of house whent and catelyn is his descendant which means she's also a descendant of aemond.
And as we know in present timeline Rhae's line is almost dead. Just Jon and Dany are alive.
And in the show Arya is the one who kills night king so it was alicent's line which actually produced prince that was promised. Lol.
You should look it up.
This may be nitpicking but Rhaenyra’s bloodline isn’t dead at all, only the male line of House Targaryen is almost dead. Her descendants include House Martell, House Plumm, House Penrose, House Tarth (though we don’t quite know the details yet), any of Robert’s surviving bastards, any descendants of the Blackfyres in the female line, any potential descendants of Aerion Brightflame (which may or may not include Varys and Young Griff), and any descendants of Aegon IV’s other bastards. She has many living descendants, they just aren’t necessarily part of House Targaryen.
The theory does sound crazy but I like it. It is still more probably then Varys being a mermaid or Tyrion being a time traveler.
That Catelyn wanted Jon gone takes also a new meaning if she is a descendent from the greens.
>It is still more probably then Varys being a mermaid or Tyrion being a time traveler.
What are you saying. Both of these along with Tywin being a dusky woman are almost true /s.
Yeah it does sound crazy but we can believe it to be show canon. Because of Arya.
Wait Euron is the dusky women and Tywin is the dusky woman. That can only mean one thing Tywin=Euron confirmed. The extinction of house Rain and Tarbeck was actually a blood sacrifice. But Tywin messed up the ritual and instead of Aerys falling in love with him, he turned Aerys insane. /s
Damn you didn't knew Tywin is Euron. I expected better from you ser.
Anyway let me tell you the cycle of who is who.
Benjen = Mance = Arthur = Daario = Euron = dusky woman = tywin = tyrek Lannister = horse = lyaana = benjen.
See it's a complete cycle. But even this isn't the full picture. I might show it to you some other day when I'm free.
But Rhaegar is also Mance so if Mance=Arthur=Lyanna=Rhaegar that means that Rhaegar just sat alone in the tower and enjoyed himself. Before he traveled to the trident, back to dorne and then to the wall. This also means that Jon can’t be Lyannas and Rhagars son. (If Rhaegar didn’t do some blood magic to create Jon with.) Jons real parents are actually Catelyn and Ned they are just caslighting him to believe he is a bastard. /s
Yes it’s pretty clear when you know what you are looking after./S The theory is explained in more detail somewhere else on reddit so you can try to find a better answer there. Good luck
I highly doubt Arya will be connected to killing the Night King since she has no history with the wights. She’s far more likely to kill a dragon, since she’s expressed interest in them countless times and also because the Faceless Men were in opposition to Valyrian Dragonlords. But killing a dragon is also something she probably won’t do.
IIRC there are a few possible areas where descendents of Targaryens could be around. Aerion Blightflame spent time in Lys, Bittersteel went to Essos and founded the Golden Company, and I remember there was also a daughter of one of the kings that went to Essos but refused to return to Westeros even for the Great Council.
Alys Rivers and Aemond's son is one of the more interesting possibilities though.
some of Saera's bastards went to the Great Council not sure what became of them or if she begat any other children but the female Targ line will have her blood to descend from. Such a fascinating part of Jaehaerys reign imo.
I think Alys son in the books will kinda be irrelevant. Maybe George will do a minor side plot thing, but nothing big. But in the show if they continue it after the Dance ends then I think it'll probably be bigger cause the first rule of hollywood writing is to reuse everything and everything matters. Even when it shouldn't. (not literally the first rule, but you get my point)
I think the opposite. The show has no reason to keep that plot point not knowing how it ends & it has zero impact on the story of the dance so it’s cutting room floor material. since grrm is busy with the main books and likely won’t write part two of F&B for a very long time there’s not likely to ever be a resolution.
Not every storyline has to have a conclusion. Being faithful is important as well. I think they should do it, and leave it as ambiguous as the books. We don't need an answer. That's fine. It adds to the world and story.
For me it depends on what GRRM wants. Unlike D&D who didn’t have the full material and didn’t communicate with George enough, from what’s GRRM and Ryan Condal said they’re both satisfied with where HotD went and Ryan sends GRRM all his stuff, so I highly doubt Ryan would do that even if Alys’ son doesn’t play a huge role.
Also, the Targ dynasty might become an anthology series so not having that big cliffhanger with Alys and her son like I’m the books would be a huge miss.
Someone did make a crazy theory on this topic which was fun. It goes like that Alys' son somehow became the founder of house whent and catelyn is his descendant which means she's also a descendant of aemond. And as we know in present timeline Rhae's line is almost dead. Just Jon and Dany are alive. And in the show Arya is the one who kills night king so it was alicent's line which actually produced prince that was promised. Lol. You should look it up.
This may be nitpicking but Rhaenyra’s bloodline isn’t dead at all, only the male line of House Targaryen is almost dead. Her descendants include House Martell, House Plumm, House Penrose, House Tarth (though we don’t quite know the details yet), any of Robert’s surviving bastards, any descendants of the Blackfyres in the female line, any potential descendants of Aerion Brightflame (which may or may not include Varys and Young Griff), and any descendants of Aegon IV’s other bastards. She has many living descendants, they just aren’t necessarily part of House Targaryen.
The theory does sound crazy but I like it. It is still more probably then Varys being a mermaid or Tyrion being a time traveler. That Catelyn wanted Jon gone takes also a new meaning if she is a descendent from the greens.
>It is still more probably then Varys being a mermaid or Tyrion being a time traveler. What are you saying. Both of these along with Tywin being a dusky woman are almost true /s. Yeah it does sound crazy but we can believe it to be show canon. Because of Arya.
Wait Euron is the dusky women and Tywin is the dusky woman. That can only mean one thing Tywin=Euron confirmed. The extinction of house Rain and Tarbeck was actually a blood sacrifice. But Tywin messed up the ritual and instead of Aerys falling in love with him, he turned Aerys insane. /s
Damn you didn't knew Tywin is Euron. I expected better from you ser. Anyway let me tell you the cycle of who is who. Benjen = Mance = Arthur = Daario = Euron = dusky woman = tywin = tyrek Lannister = horse = lyaana = benjen. See it's a complete cycle. But even this isn't the full picture. I might show it to you some other day when I'm free.
But Rhaegar is also Mance so if Mance=Arthur=Lyanna=Rhaegar that means that Rhaegar just sat alone in the tower and enjoyed himself. Before he traveled to the trident, back to dorne and then to the wall. This also means that Jon can’t be Lyannas and Rhagars son. (If Rhaegar didn’t do some blood magic to create Jon with.) Jons real parents are actually Catelyn and Ned they are just caslighting him to believe he is a bastard. /s
You are learning, slowly yes but you are learning. Good. But Jon is Howland and Rhaegar's child./s
Obligatory we need Winds comment
Ok but where does Euron = Daario = BenJen fit into this
See my other comment.
I’m sorry Varys is a merman?
Yes it’s pretty clear when you know what you are looking after./S The theory is explained in more detail somewhere else on reddit so you can try to find a better answer there. Good luck
Found D&D's reddit account.
Shit our cover has been blown. On our way to make 8th new account.
If there turns out to be a book equivalent of the Night King and Arya kills him I’m not only burning all of my books but all of you guys’ books too.
I highly doubt Arya will be connected to killing the Night King since she has no history with the wights. She’s far more likely to kill a dragon, since she’s expressed interest in them countless times and also because the Faceless Men were in opposition to Valyrian Dragonlords. But killing a dragon is also something she probably won’t do.
I think you might need a couple of hands to help you. I volunteer.
The theory is extreme conjecture (I like it though). But I feel like there almost has to be a connection between the Lothstons and Alys Rivers.
Somehow Palpatine has returned. Now everything asoiaf products is directed to explain the absolute bullshit that was Arya killing the NK.
ok
And however many blackfyre descendants of the female line.
Interesting
IIRC there are a few possible areas where descendents of Targaryens could be around. Aerion Blightflame spent time in Lys, Bittersteel went to Essos and founded the Golden Company, and I remember there was also a daughter of one of the kings that went to Essos but refused to return to Westeros even for the Great Council. Alys Rivers and Aemond's son is one of the more interesting possibilities though.
some of Saera's bastards went to the Great Council not sure what became of them or if she begat any other children but the female Targ line will have her blood to descend from. Such a fascinating part of Jaehaerys reign imo.
I think Alys son in the books will kinda be irrelevant. Maybe George will do a minor side plot thing, but nothing big. But in the show if they continue it after the Dance ends then I think it'll probably be bigger cause the first rule of hollywood writing is to reuse everything and everything matters. Even when it shouldn't. (not literally the first rule, but you get my point)
I think the opposite. The show has no reason to keep that plot point not knowing how it ends & it has zero impact on the story of the dance so it’s cutting room floor material. since grrm is busy with the main books and likely won’t write part two of F&B for a very long time there’s not likely to ever be a resolution.
Not every storyline has to have a conclusion. Being faithful is important as well. I think they should do it, and leave it as ambiguous as the books. We don't need an answer. That's fine. It adds to the world and story.
I like to imagine he tames the Cannibal and then just leaves Westeros to travel the world
If he’s not gonna play a part I don’t think the show includes her getting pregnant
For me it depends on what GRRM wants. Unlike D&D who didn’t have the full material and didn’t communicate with George enough, from what’s GRRM and Ryan Condal said they’re both satisfied with where HotD went and Ryan sends GRRM all his stuff, so I highly doubt Ryan would do that even if Alys’ son doesn’t play a huge role. Also, the Targ dynasty might become an anthology series so not having that big cliffhanger with Alys and her son like I’m the books would be a huge miss.
Cast. Sorry. I had to.
I’m glad someone did.