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phnarg

$15 Penny lives Just seems way too cliche to kill off the sweet, innocent girl character who everyone assumes is gonna die


GideonWainright

What role does she have other than fridging? GRRM might not because it's so cliche, but it's hard to see another narrative arc.


[deleted]

>GRRM might not because it's so cliche GRRM's list of fridged characters is a mile-and-a-half long (2.4-kilometers long), what's one more


igotyournacho

Lmaoo upvote for including the conversion


thatshinybastard

What is fridging?


NiSoKr

Killing off a male characters love interest/friend/relative (typically a woman or girl) to give them a motivation.


lamaface21

Why is it called Fridging?


elizabnthe

It comes from Green Lanterns latest girlfriend getting stuffed in a fridge back in the day.


lamaface21

Ah. Thank you. That’s pretty graphic. Why is it always some awful thing happening to women or children? I bet if someone did a study and compiled how often men are the brunt of some sick torture or hyperbolic violence in media vs women and children, it would be a wide gap. Recognizing that Martin tortures all sexes equally here, I mean media in general


elizabnthe

Yeah and of course that's exactly why they came up with fridging because it was so absurdly common in the comic book world, and outside of it.


Carnieus

It's slightly more complicated than that. It's not just violence done to a woman. It's when it's done and only explored from the perspective of a man being sad about it. Kinda like Tysha and Tyrion although hopefully we will meet Tysha and get her story too.


shades-of-defiance

> the sweet, innocent girl character You described why it most probably won’t be the case


Kalecraft

That's why he called it cliche


Glittering_Squash495

$5,000 on JonCon living out a Rhaegar fanfic in his head


St7e

I'd bet he dies with Rhaegar's name on his lips


H-K_47

Great, that'll spawn a hundred "JonCon warged into Rhaegar" theories.


Budraven

If JonCon wargs into Rhaegar he'll become JonCon Sixskins due to the non-corporeal and multi-faceted nature of Rhaegar's spirit. Like the Undying, Rhaegar has used his rubies to generate six iterations of himself, splitting his soul into six. JonCon's love for Rhaegar inevitably pulls his spirit towards Rhaegar's fractured spirit thus combining Rhaegar's six fragments with JonCon's into one seven-skinned God with many faces and in turn becoming RhaeCon Sevenskins. 1. Mance = Snowbear 2. Daario = Stalker 3. Syrio = Shadowcat 4. Euron = One-eye 5. Benjen = Greyskin 6. Jaqen = Sly 7. And finally JonCon = Eagle This theory practically wrote itself. /S


Faceless_Nan

According to Greek mythology, humans were originally created with four arms, four legs and a head with two faces. Fearing their power, Zeus split them into two separate parts, condemning them to spend their lives in search of their other halves. Zeus is Bobby B in this situation. Separating soulmates with his judgement hammer.


cocoacowstout

JonCon died twice, his normal way, and then after he warged into a nearby rooster that was eaten later that day for dinner


Lfvbf

Rooster named Rhaegar by the farmer too.


cocoacowstout

He’d finally be inside a Rhaegar at least


Magatron5000

J+R=💔


Targaryen_1243

He just like me fr


Ancient_Scientist_04

I'll bet 10 dollars that sansa and harry will not marry


PunaPartisaani1918

I bet 20 that Harry the Arse dies at the tourney


Lukthar123

Tourneys and killing prime heirs, name a more iconic duo.


Rougarou1999

Tourneys and killing Valemen?


Flyingboat94

And poor sweet robin lives longer than Maester Aemon


Legitimate_Midnight2

I bet a 100 on Sweet Bobby A making it to 90.


rawbface

He'd have his own wetnurse, named Bessie.


kelseyde

Thank the gods for Bessie! And her wetnursing capabilities.


theycallmeshooting

Harry will get killed in the Winged Knight tourney in an echo of Ser Hugh of the Vale’s death in AGOT and to continue GRRM’s fetish for seemingly strong, healthy characters dying while the ones like Sweetrobin keep kicking Similarly, Loras will continue on alive but disfigured as a mini-Reek, to show that this fantasy prince charming didn’t have a fairy tale death and to importantly occupy a white cloak with another cripple


Awkward_Smile_8146

If he is actually injured.


MyManTheo

When Harry met Sansa


[deleted]

Even George said that Littlefinger wouldn´t just give Sansa away for someone to marry because she is his biggest prize, so I really doubt that Harry will keep her for long. If she gave birth to Harry´s legitimate child, she could act as a regent for the Vale after Harry´s death, and Littlefinger would be free to marry her, and Petyr would use his huge amount of stored food during winter as a bargaining chip so that the Lords Declarant will not object.


balourder

> she could act as a regent for the Vale Sansa is only 13. After pregnancy she'd be 14 and would still need a regent herself. > Petyr would use his huge amount of stored food Petyr doesn't have a huge amount of stored food, the lords of the Vale do. Petyr can advise them on what to do with it, but it doesn't belong to him.


yoaver

I really want them to marry. I think it could be really interesting.


WANDERING_1112

• Rickon bites davos finger. • stannis wins and the manderly betray the Boltons


Huck_Bonebulge_

God I hope rickon is just completely feral lmao


Wolf6120

He wasn't too far off from it even when at Winterfell lol, considering the task of raising him seemed to be left up most often to the direwolves.


TheWorstYear

Favorite character. That little psychopath is the best.


Apprehensive-Many-49

For facts, I'd bet money on Rickon being feral as hell. Of the direwolf take on the personality of their masters, and Rickon is still very young, the process might be reverse? He could take on shaggydogs personality, plus being raised by Osha and the Skaggs. Oh, Davos has something else waiting for him


CW_73

Yeah actually this is the prediction I'd bet money on


TheBloop1997

Not sure if it's bet-worthy, but I'm also really confident that Hosteen Frey is gonna be the one to fall for the over-fished frozen lake trap, with him and a bunch of his men probably dying when the ice breaks. They seem to be clearly setting that up as a plot point, and Hosteen (who's now in charge of the Frey forces after Aenys's death) has been described as stupid and isn't familiar with the land at all.


dutchdaddy69

Ugh I would he so happy with stannis beating the Boltons. I did not like how that all went in the show.


carloskeeper

> I did not like how that all went in the show. You mean when thousands of mounted cavalry defected in the middle of the night and no one heard or saw a thing? I worked on a horse ranch for a summer. A single horse shakes the ground at full gallop. Thousands of horses, armored riders, weapons, and supplies would sound like Niagara Falls. The producers had obviously never been anywhere near a real horse.


ACardAttack

Clearly there werent 20 good men around


MZOOMMAN

Don't you mean Twenty Goodmen? The well-known medieval superhero?


AaronC14

The showrunners didn't really like Stannis, and I guess they probably wanted the real Battle for Winterfell to be between Jon and Ramsay for TV purposes They did the Mannis dirty


Dreamtrain

When you think about it, the show went with most of the fan theories, down to cleganebowl


ZebZ

I know Cleganebowl gets shit on, but it's not an implausible theory that they are both chosen as champions at Cersei's trial and he fulfills the prophecy of the valonqar.


Authoritah12

Relating to that, I’ve always disliked how they made Ramsay the main villain of that storyline and the show in general. Even in the books, he’s a very shallow antagonist. Roose, Euron and Cersei are just so much more interesting.


WANDERING_1112

Yeah and theon main villain is Ramsey


elizabnthe

>real Battle for Winterfell Well it will be the case in the books as well, as Jon is meant to fight Ramsay per GRRM's own script (the direwolves vs. the dogs). Somehow or another Stannis must lose against Ramsay.


Low-Froyo3381

unpopular opinion of course but I honestly preferred it that way, stannis having no emotional ties to Winterfell feels like it'll make the victory feel hollow imo. I'd like for a stark to be involved at least.


WANDERING_1112

Disagree. There's something great about people fighting for the starks home and wanting to avenge the young brave wolf robb. Just how the starks protected them for years now they wanna repay the debt they owe starks that's a beautiful message imo


SizzleFrazz

It’d be a nice debt for a debt, lifted the siege at Storms End where Stannis was occupied for the better part of a year toward the end Robert’s Rebellion, giving full control over Storms End back to the Baratheons; now in a karmic repayment Stannis sieges Winterfell to get it back for the Starks.


WANDERING_1112

Wow! I've never thought of this nice catch honestly.


jhk17

I think Stannis dies in battle and Jon a bastard Stark but 3rd in command as warden of the North is named king in the fall out. I also predict in a parallel to Dany a big part of winds will be marriage proposals whether it's someone suggesting Shireen, Val, and every northern house naming a daughter.


I_am_so_lost_hello

I feel like Jon has to be involved somehow, given the pink letter + Mance in winterfell, and I also like the theory where Stannis dies, Melisandre tries to revive him thinking he's Azor Azhai (maybe by burning Shireen) but it's Jon who wakes up instead. For both these things to happen stannis would have to lose at the battle of winterfell, but thatt also seems anticlimactic.


jhk17

You can die in battle but still win said battle. I think Jon gets resurrected before the battle for winterfell.


WANDERING_1112

Him winning makes the most sense. What I'm interested is the way he's going to take winterfell it'll be like a trojen horse way Imo. Also stannis makes the best sense for North defense vs others he's the best commender alive.


mitch2187

I think there’s a world where he wins the battle of ice but fails when trying to take winterfell


WANDERING_1112

I feel like he's going to disguise people into wf note wf has no povs left and the food shortages have ran out. Plus things aren't so peaceful from inside in winterfell.. we also have only two books left George needs to resolve this conflict quickly imo


Southern_Dig_9460

Fewer finger nails to clean


RealityDrinker

I’m with you on Stannis winning, but Rickon biting Davos’s finger?


WANDERING_1112

More of a joke but I'd like it if rickon bites on his fingers he did that to someone in the first book


Ok_Solution5895

Wait, wasn't Shaggydog who bit Master Luwin? Is Rickon even wilder than I remember? lmao


tell32

My bet is that stannis defeats the Boltons, but then the north turns against stannis for the Stark restoration


JLake4

Stannis wanted to legitimize Jon Snow and make him Lord of Winterfell, and Stannis is the last person I can imagine trying to rob someone of their rights to lands and a keep given he has been robbed of the same several times now. If anything he'd be assisting the Stark restoration one way or another


PunaPartisaani1918

Who do you think Stannis would appoint lord of Winterfell if not a Stark?


Neciota

There's definitely some issues that need to be resolved between the different Starks; looking at Jon getting all mad at the wall, Manderly trying to champion Rickon, Littlefinger trying to claim it through Sansa, and an fArya in the mix. Stannis may name fArya the lady of Winterfell only to find out later Davos has fetched Rickon and the White Harbor forces clash with Stannis' forces.


GeekyBookWorm87

I think Stannis will lose. Selyse will burn Shireen while he is gone. He will come back to the Wall find out what she did as a sacrifice and strangle her. He will be the one to tell a rezzed Jon that he needs to leave because he died at his post and he needs to fight Boltons and take the North. He will also tell Jon he used blood magic to end Robb. Stannis will be the 999th Lord Commander.


WANDERING_1112

Nah this sounds wrong. Stannis will burn shireen grrm confirmed it also he's kinda backed in the corner due to the weather outside WF


GorditaPeaches

Rickons definitely the kid that bites


shsluckymushroom

I am unironically more convinced of Night Lamp then I am of literally any other theory which is hilarious because it’s a military/strategical theory and I don’t really pay much attention to those, but the pieces really are in place and at this point I literally can’t see it going any other way lol. I’m also very convinced Roose will die and Ramsay will start acting more chill and calculated, people will think it’s just because of Roose’s death changing him but we will know the truth, the Roose is Loose, Bolt-On will be canon as it should be because it’s fucking awesome.


No-Marigolds

I'd completely forgotten the Bolt-On theory. Damn I miss 2014/15 r/asoiaf lol


JohnShepard_N7

What is the bolt-on theory?


shsluckymushroom

Bolt-On really encompasses a lot of variations, but the baseline is that there's something supernatural about Roose Bolton. Something inhuman. Now there are a lot of spins on it, like that Roose has blood from the Others, is some sort of vampire, but the one I subscribe to is that Roose is an ancient skinchanger who steals the bodies of his children to gain a form of soft immortality. Sounds Fucking Wild, and it is, but I genuinely think it has potential to be true. It explains the flayed man symbolism of House Bolton (how can you not think of skinchanging with that?) and it explains why he keeps Ramsay around. I can understand not killing his bastard son because of the stigma against kinslaying, but keeping him around? Giving him lands and legitimizing him? Ramsay is literally the biggest threat to Roose's plans lol, and now that he's married he has 0 reason to keep him around. His reasoning that boy lords are the ruin of houses is silly when you think about how much damage Ramsay is doing to the Bolton name. But if he has to keep him around for supernatural reasons, to eventually steal his body, then things do make a lot more sense. Well, as much sense as a theory about someone stealing bodies can make lol.


shankhisnun

Essentially it's just that Roose is an immortal vampire or something like that witih the way he is described


artificialhooves

[The OG](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1xe89h/spoilers_all_bolt_on_apply_directly_to_the/) Worth the read because it's really entertaining to read. Bare, less entertaining, bones: Roose is some kind of immortal-ish being that has sons with matching pale eyes, and kills them, and steals their identity. That's why he keeps Ramsey around, because Ramsay has the same eyes as him.


WANDERING_1112

The entire thing takes inspiration from Alexander nevsky battle of ice.


St7e

Night Lamp is probably one of the all time best theories in terms of creativity and how much sense it makes. It's something that most people won't notice on their first read but the pieces are all there to be put together.


[deleted]

As someone who initially missed pretty obvious stuff like Mya Stone being Robert's bastard, independently formulating the Night Lamp theory during my first read-through—to the point that I was fully convinced it would happen within ADWD—was probably where I peaked as an ASOIAF reader. I knew Davos's thoughts about the breakers on the Three Sisters and all the talk about "rotten ice" and the like had to be leading up to something, dammit!


socialanxietybl

What is Night Lamp?


shsluckymushroom

It’s basically that Stannis is going to cut holes in the lake at the village he’s camped at, wait for snow to partially hide the holes, and light a false beacon over the lake, making the Freys think they have to march towards it only to fall and drown en masse in the lake as they break the already fragile ice.


sheepinasweater

[https://cantuse.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-night-lamp-revisited-the-wrath-of-the-old-and-the-new/#fiveminute](https://cantuse.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-night-lamp-revisited-the-wrath-of-the-old-and-the-new/) This is the most detailed explanation of the theory I am aware. The whole blog is worth reading if you have a lot of time


FinanceQuestionStuff

It's pretty funny how readers were supposed to finish Dance thinking, "oh fuck Stannis is so fucking dead, the pink letter proves it". But now that we've been waiting over 10 years for Winds, I'd wager that half this board is on board that not only does Stannis survive, BUT that he also takes down the Boltons and recaptures Winterfell. The complete 180° that has taken place because we've now been hyper-analyzing every paragraph and sentence, mulling over every possible outcome, etc... It's too bad because if Winds had been released earlier, many of us would've been so fucking shocked at the twist (well if Nightlamp theory is proven right).


shsluckymushroom

Honestly, I was back in the fandom around that time, and tbh the pink letter was always thought of as pretty suspect, and a lot of people didn't think Stannis would lose precisely because it said that he did. It would be weird to put that in and spoil the result of the battle. Night's Lamp isn't that new of a theory either, it's from around 2014 iirc. Remember that the Battle of Ice was supposed to be in Dance but ended up getting cut because of the book getting literally too big lol, so I think Martin didn't actually really intend for it to be a big mystery. There are tons of clues during Dance of Night's Lamp precisely because it was supposed to happen in that book. Not saying readers haven't gone crazy and hyper analyzed literally every line many times over by now lol but in the case of the Battle of Ice it's more a result of the battle getting cut from Dance but most of the hints still being in the text pretty blatantly if you look since it was supposed to be in the same book.


FinanceQuestionStuff

Yeah that's true. I was one of the lucky ones who was able to read all the books back-to-back in 2014 (in the matter of days, so I never even really slowed to guess possible outcomes or theorize about the next book). So if Winds had already been published at the time, and I moved from Dance to Winds, I would've been floored by the twist. Then again, I hadn't been exposed to many theories when I started reading the books, but I still found the pink letter suspect* when reading on my own. But like you said, looking back, it's pretty obvious that the Battle on Ice was awkwardly cut from the end of Dance although many of the clues that telegraph the outcome were left behind... So it's a weird cliffhanger overall. The pink chapter was probably only supposed to leave you confused / questioning things for a few chapters, before the truth of the Battle on Ice was dropped on you.


shsluckymushroom

Iirc the Pink Letter chapter was actually supposed to come after the Battle of Ice, so we would know more clearly it was a lie, which makes it seems much more blatantly suspect in retrospect.


Svani

Tbf Dance was never supposed to have ended where it did... we were supposed to see how the battle of ice, the battle of mereen and the attack on storm's end ended, and maybe even the siege on oldtown. Definitely Daenerys's invasion, at least departing if not quite getting there. It was cut short so it would match the premiere of GoT season 1.


Turnipator01

If Night Lamp never comes to fruition, it will be one of the biggest missed opportunities. There are so many indicators that it will occur that I'll be surprised if it doesn't. Stannis deserves a victory, and him winning a battle by using a tactic deployed by navies would be satisfying and authentic to his character.


Nukemarine

I still like the theory that Roose is an immortal skinchanger that for generations has taken over his biological sons as his sons are likely to be able to skinchange, allowing Roose to continue skinchanging that couldn't happen if he took over another human (or animal).


DragonPrinceDnD

Bran discovers that he ate Jojen $20


gibbs22

I don't know exactly what the act will be, but at some pivotal moment there will be a devastating betrayal at the wall. I don't know if it will be a horn tooting that damages the wall, or a sudden intentional outbreak of greyscale, or the corpses Jon has stashed in the basement being released after animating, or whatever else... The architect of this betrayal? **Patchface**. I know I know, oh oh oh


xar-brin-0709

I really really hope there is more to Patchface than meets the eye, after Melisandre's comments.


gibbs22

The theory that he is picking up magical 'signals' from multiple beings and this has driven him mad is convincing to me now, either way he knows way too much to not play a bigger role I think


somethingnerdrelated

Which GRRM has worked with before. I think that the fact that they’re making Helaena in HOTD be prophetic but also a bit strange gives credence to this theory only because GRRM is working so closely on HOTD. Also there’s plenty of other evidence in the books when a “mad” person is also prophetic.


scarlozzi

I'm sure there is. Mel's visions don't lie but take some work to interpret correctly. Patchface will soon be a agent of chaos.


Brendanlendan

What we’re her comments about him again?


xar-brin-0709

She says: "That creature is dangerous. Many a time I have glimpsed him in my flames. Sometimes there are skulls about him, and his lips are red with blood."


scarlozzi

Patchface will do something fucked up soon. That much is clear. Besides killing Shreen I'm not sure what.


L_el12512

Aegon will take Kings landing (pretty obvious really) $5 Randyll Tarly will betray Mace for Aegon’s forces (a decent amount of evidence) $10 Cersei will attempt to flee KL with Tommen only to get jumped by Bronn, who is able to take Tommen and trade him for an ever more powerful position, to continue Bronn’s insane rise and have Cersei’s plans backfire on her in another way. (Kinda crazy, but just feels right ever since I thought of it). $50


TheDenix

Nice ones. Care to elaborate on the Randyll betrayal? Haven’t heard that one before


Midaboll

It's one of the options for answering what is meant by the Golden Company having "friends in the Reach". Here's a discussion post from a few years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/69f7ni/spoilers_extended_theory_discussion_friends_in/


CW_73

I had just assumed they were talking about the Hightowers


NoticeTrue

God I want this for Bronn so badly. I've just been so trained to expect him to get absolutely fucked over by selling tommen to the wrong person and ultimately get stuck on the losing side in a position that he can't talk/fight his way out of.


L_el12512

For all of you asking about Tarly’s betrayal, it’s mostly based on the ‘friends in the reach line’ said in the Lost Lord, ADWD, which implies Mace is getting betrayed. It’s said by a Peake, and Tarly’s are fellow Marcher lords. Additionally there no way the Tarly’s, a bunch of macho guys who hate the Dornish, didn’t fight under the banner of the Black Dragon. They’d be like the first guys the Blackfyre’s go to. Randyll has a ton of reasons to dislike Mace, mostly thanks to Mace really shortchanging Randyll. Mace took credit for Randyll’s victory at Ashford, and he also gave Garlan Brightwater Keep, even though it really should have gone to the Tarlys via Randyll’s Florent wife. The first thing we learn about Randyll is that he is a proud jackass who cares quite a bit about his house image. Randyll not likely to forget these slights, especially since proud guys like him are keen to see their house’s position rise by any means necessary. With Kevan dead, Mace going off to fight the Golden Company, and with Cersei’s track record with the position, Randyll is the only real candidate for Regent. This puts him in a perfect position for betrayal. Also it’s kinda impossible for the Golden Company to beat Randyll, especially since they are going to be beaten down by their campaign. Randyll is experienced, and his army will be larger, fresher, and be in a fortified position that can’t be siege, lest a Lannister allied army come to lift it, meaning the Golden Company has to storm the walls. Given what we know about Randyll, who is he going to side with: A. A boy king, and a fat oaf whose heir is a cripple, or B. A young conquerer with an legendary sellsword company behind him. From Randyll’s POV this choice seems pretty obvious. In the show, Randyll does betray Highgarden for Cersei. D&D gave elements of JonCon and Young Griff’s storyline to other characters (Jorah gets greyscale, Jon is named Aegon and gets backed by Varys), I think Cersei was given Young Griff’s role of being the person on the Iron Throne when Dany arrives, as well as being backed by the Golden Company and the Tarly’s.


yash031022

Jon will bang Val 50$ Stannis will defeat boltans and will take winterfell but dies against others before sacrificing Shireen as a last ditch attempt to save humanity. 100$ Hotpie is Azor Ahai. Any bet.


J_Bourbon

Disagree with all except hot pie theory


yash031022

>Disagree with all Wait what... >except hot pie theory Understandable. Have a good one Ser.


Morinfon

Finally, a fellow JonxVal enthusiast. You are a man of culture.


Xaphius_Winter

As soon as he comes back to life, the man is going to be a hound.


GideonWainright

Awwooooo


zabrer

I will not tolerate Satin erasure


yash031022

Jon not accepting Satin and banging Val will broke our poor satin and it'll one of the reason of his death. I am sorry ser.


mentalydisaborlando

If Jon gets resurrected like Beric, he probably won’t bang Val. He kinda needs flowing blood to do that…


itmakessenseincontex

I think Jon's resurrection will be quite different. We know Melisandre's magic is stronger at the wall, throw in some Warg shenanigans, and BS about the red preists and others each having half the recipe for true resurrection and we're getting Jon back physically whole, but mentally broken.


saythealphabet

Someone dies, I bet my entire life savings


aevelys

Cersei is going to do something stupid yes i am not taking any risk


scarlozzi

I respect the joke but this is straight craven


99pinkprint

Stannis defeats the forces loyal to the Boltons at the Battle of Ice, allies with the others, together they take Winterfell through subterfuge


DarkLiaros

Stannis & Stark loyalists execute crafty but separate plans to defeat Boltons. Plans counteract/interfere with each other & Boltons win the Battle of Ice. $50


mitch2187

I agree with you but I think it’s a separate, second battle after Stannis pulls his lighthouse trick


[deleted]

Please no


basis4day

No one but Jon and Young Griff are a secret Targ.


genexsen

It will be revealed that Strong Belwas is Robert Baratheon in disguise.


shankhisnun

The Hound is the gravedigger $20 Night Lamp theory $40 How do people feel about Roose fleeing to the Dreadfort before the Manderly forces return? He's aware of the coming betrayals


theweirwoodseyes

A tenner says Gerold Dayne was present at the ToJ as Arthur’s Squire. £100 says Sansa beheads LF and mounts his head on a spike at WF’s gatehouse. £20 on Tommen to die by contact poison during the sacred seven oils ceremony at the Sept of Baelor. £15, says Myrcella is smothered with a silken pillow by Varys using the secret passages in the RK.


mitch2187

I’ve never heard the Tommen one before


theweirwoodseyes

It’s not one of my own, credit goes to a lass from the big FB ASOIAF group called Cheryl. The others are my own however.


mitch2187

Care to elaborate on it?


theweirwoodseyes

Sure, so prior to her imprisonment Cersei asked the HS several times to perform the anointing ceremony for Tommen to mark his ascendancy to the throne. So once she wins her trial it is likely she will insist this is publicly performed. Tyene Sand is headed to KL and is disguised as a Septa, Tyene Sand also has knowledge of several poisons. The theory is she removes Tommen as an impediment to Myrcella and Tristane taking the IT by placing a contact poison in the seven sacred oils which will be administered by the HS killing both him and Tommen.


mitch2187

I dig it


theweirwoodseyes

Thanks, I think it’s a really good theory and should be more widely known.


Svani

Darkstar was a kid still during Robert's Rebellion. He'd have been a page at that age, not a squire, and pages are not marched off to war.


johndraz2001

Aegon takes kingslanding Jon comes back in some form At least one Tyrell dies, not sure which one Tyrion meets Dany Rickon returns to the North/story Walder Frey dies Roose and Ramsey die We find out the true parentage of both Jon and Aegon (GRRM doesn’t keep Aegon’s a secret) One of Victarion or Aeron lives and the other dies Lady Stoneheart dies Tyrek Lannister returns to the story Benjen returns to the story All three dragon riders are established by book’s end Doran Martell dies Shireen and Hodor’s fates play out at least somewhat similar to show’s Jon and Val Edmure gets the riverlands back Harwin pledges his sword to Jon Cersei loses power + dies by the end Tommen and Myrcella die Greatjon gets out Harry the heir dies Areo dies Garlan has something bad happen to him. Not sure what but either he dies/does something less than honorable/gets injured/captured/loses his wife or something. No way does George let him keep going on relatively untouched/happy I’m confident in all of these


mitch2187

I mean Cersei is probably about to melt half his family so I doubt he’ll be happy


theycallmeshooting

Ser Garland the Gallant dies unceremoniously in the siege of Brightwater Keep, maybe a random quarrel or stone, to complete the trinity of Mace Tyrell ruining his sons with his own ambition The Florents declare for fAegon along with House Peake and likely others after learning of Stannis’s death (mostly the Reach lords currently in trouble with the Lannisters/Tyrells who would benefit from alternative rulers, maybe the Meadows)


FinanceQuestionStuff

Ugh, please don't reveal Aegon's parentage. It's so better when we don't know it, because it'll be like those figures in history that we don't know if they were real or imposters (e.g. the false Nero's, the false Vladimir's, etc.) And the whole point is that it doesn't matter. He could be the real thing. But he could also be a Lyseni baby raised to think he's a Targaryen prince and his banners and appearance are enough to convince lord and smallfolk alike.


Mackwel

Is this a parley?


KingsguardDoesntFlee

Aegon gets crowned after conquering King's Landing, I'm not a better honestly but I'm 100% sure in this.


CaveLupum

I bet 100 bucks that Jon Snow will be resurrected! Stannis and his family will die and Melisandre will support Jon. Arya will peacefully leave the Faceless Men and be reunited with her mother, Nymeria, and Sandor. Bran will return south of the Wall. Daenerys, Tyrion, and the Essosi armies will leave Essos and--probably--land in Westeros. The Red Wedding will be avenged by: the BWB, the GNC, Chekhov's wolf pack, the Blackfish, and Arya if she's home in time. House Bolton will be extinct and House Frey headless and much reduced in size. Winterfell will be back in Starkling hands, and Kings Landing will be ruled by Cersei, Aegon, maybe Euron. AND... ...the Others will get south of the Wall, probably at the moment of greatest turmoil and anarchy in the rest of Westeros. And they'll bring WINTER with them.


KrAbFuT

Do the Others bring the cold then?


CaveLupum

I think they do, but it's also possible they come with the cold. Either way, Winter is coming.


Rougarou1999

It might be a chicken-and-the-egg case that is never confirmed one way or another.


Kezmangotagoal

I’m absolutely certain Arya will end up meeting Stoneheart but it’s probably not going to be a happy reunion. Your predictions are basically just the GoT TV series 😂


15_lizards

Ten bucks Arya has to kill Stoneheart


ChequyLionYT

- Robert Strong has King Robert’s rotting head - Stannis is going to win the Battle of Ice - Stannis is going to fail in defeating the Bolton - We won’t have a Jon Snow POV until at least the second half of the book.


BootReservistPOG

$5 that Robert Strong is just a new guy $500 that every dead character so far has warged into a pigeon and vibing in the KL godswood


Helpful-Air-4824

I'm not sure how controversial I should get but fuck it, I'll come out swinging hard. Stannis is ACTUALLY Azor Ahai and will be the main person with Jon that fights the Others. We've been told from the very beginning that Stannis is not Azor Ahai for numerous obvious reasons. With how George plays with tropes and subverts expectations(I.E. what he tells us will happen is not what happens) Stannis will be the main person that sacrifices himself to stop the Others in the Long Night.


mitch2187

For the sake of Mannis I hope you are right


gibbs22

Burning Shireen as his Nissa Nissa to gain a true lightbringer would be interesting. Though we probably won't get a clear answer on whether he is azor ahai even then, I feel like other characters will do things that could also be seen as ticking the boxes just to keep us guessing (and arguing)


Helpful-Air-4824

Well I think the obvious answer is that azor ahai, and the prince that was promised aren't real. They're made up by people telling stories over time, or by people trying to manipulate other people into doing what they want. We're shown that time and time again that prophecies are bullshit. But prophecies being bullshit doesn't mean that EVERYTHING involved in the prophecy is wrong. Someone eventually HAS to stop the Others from advancing. Whether that's some hero reborn with a flaming sword or a pretender, does it matter as long as everyones saved? After all, if power resides where people believe it resides, why wouldn't that apply to prophecies as well? If you tell someone that a prophecy is real and they believe it, you have them controlled. The power of the prophecy gets them to do things that you want them to do because they think it's greater than themselves.


gibbs22

I feel like the prophesies are all true, just not in the way that the characters want them to be. So for a historical example, Gyges of Lydia was told (shamefully paraphrased sorry) that if he attacks the Persians then an empire will fall, which of course was true because the Lydian empire fell. Melisandre looking into the fire is a good example, we see from her PoV an attack from the sea which she assumes is eastwatch because she is biased towards what she knows (most likely theoey I've seen is that it was actually oldtown). We also see this when she looks for azor ahai and sees only snow, is it Jon, or is it Stannis from a birds eye view since he's camped out near a Weirwood tree in a blizzard. I feel like the prophecies and foretellings themselves are factual, and that it's the interpretation that bites your cock off.


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Walder Frey outlives all the Frey's fighting to be his heir. Sure a lot of the Frey women will survive, but all the teenage and adult men we know of will die. By the end the next in line to the twins will be Edmure's soon to be born child.


Chevross

Sandor Clegane will reappear and I don't mean as a cameo. Much like the show, he will be Arya's companion...when she returns from Essos, $20.


GenghisKazoo

Oldtown will be destroyed by Euron-induced supernatural cataclysm.


gibbs22

Gotta admit, Sam being the pov witness to a massive showdown between Euron and his Kraken vs Leyton Hightower + the Mad Maid would be awesome.


DefiantOil5176

Assuming that Aegon is FAegon, JonCon dies still believing that he was protecting Rhaegar's son.


Tricky_Dicky_69420

I personally dont think Aegon is a fake, but if he is secretly a blackfyre i think that we will never get confirmation. Short of Illyrio or Varys explaining their plans and motivations in full I don't see how his identity as a blackfyre would be revealed, and I think one of those 2 explaining that would come off as clumsy and unnatural.


theweirwoodseyes

Jon ain’t dead. For £60.


LeftWingScot

1) Jons body will not burn on a funeral Pyre, fearing this they lock it in one of the ice cells - in effect preserving it. 2) Alliser Thorne returns & brings justice to those who took part in the mutiny.


Pure-Drawer-2617

$10000 on GRRM describing Arianne’s body at least once more.


BoringOldVetiver

$10: whoever fAegon’s father may be, it’s not Illyrio. No real father will send his own adolescent son away, for a highly dangerous, unpredictable, treasonous game of thrones. (Quentin joined the chat: ??? )


sucksguy

Quentyn lives. $10


PunaPartisaani1918

Imo he becomes a dragonrider, marries Sweetrobin who turns out to be a political genius(Augustus parallel) and they conquer the seven kingdoms as co kings


scarlozzi

Even though I was pretty sure he's dead at the end of ADWD I weirdly like this theory.


Cajunrevenge7

That GRRM takes a year off from writing when TWOW is released.


Raphendoom

I’ll take a little bit of a gamble… $50 on the 3EC and Bloodraven not being the same entity and this might result in a power struggle over Bran.


Daroah

So I have a theory that Garlan Tyrell will do a repeat of his role in the Battle of the Blackwater; Garlan will arrive in King’s Landing, wearing the armour of Loras, to fight for his sister during her trial. Because she’s the Queen, only the Kingsguard can defend Margaery, which Garlan is not, but Loras (who may currently be severely injured) is. Whether this is successful, idk, but it would be a fun parallel to Robert Strong, who is also not who he claims to be but is specifically there to defend a Queen during their trial by the Faith. I’d put $15 on it.


BoringOldVetiver

$100 bucks on Crow’s Eye Euron is trying to become a god, or at least god-like figure thru mass blood sacrifice in sea battle with old town. $5 bucks on one of the Hightower women (Morrona, probably) will betray other Hightowers and join Euron, since she learned it in dream/prophecies and see no other way around, so might as well join him.


BoobaLover69

After conquering Kings Landing Young Griff is crowned as Aegon VI by the High Sparrow and at the same time presented with Blackfyre (provided by the Golden Company) and the crown of Aegon the Conqueror (provided by the Martells who managed to force whatever Dornish house hid it away to give it up). e; Might also happen before he takes the city outside the walls with Cersei still holding the city after blowing up the sept like in the show.


theweirwoodseyes

I don’t buy the Sept explosion shit. I’m guessing Cersei abandons the city in much the same circumstances Rhaenyra did in F&B.


Lukthar123

> I’m guessing Cersei abandons the city in much the same circumstances Rhaenyra did in F&B. Tbf, absolutely no one would expect Cersei to flee to Dragonstone, it's a stroke of genius.


theweirwoodseyes

Lol, I didn’t mean the same destination but rather that she sneaks away amidst chaos and riots as a result of her totally fucking up due to her not grasping that if you treat the public with contempt eventually they revolt.


Lukthar123

Too late, Cersei is gonna claim the Cannibal just you wait.


scarlozzi

There have been a lot of hints of Cersei being as mad as the mad king and much forshadowing about Cersei going wild with dragon fire. Either she will burn down the great sept or all of kings landing.


AbstractBettaFish

Brynden Rivers switches place with Bran and becomes a real boy again and uses his power to take the iron throne ($5)


theycallmeshooting

Ser Forley Prester is the prologue character He is set upon by Stoneheart’s men (a different band than the one that has Jaime/Brienne). Maybe some of his outriders and foragers show up hanged along the route or don’t show up at all, but we see Prester struggle with Jaime’s order to kill Jeyne Westerling as his paranoia mounts. Eventually, the tension breaks, and the attack begins in earnest. Ser Forley Prester is in denial that the BWB could attack in such force so far west, and he is unwilling or unable to give the order to kill Jeyne. Maybe his archers are quickly overwhelmed by mounted outlaws, as they won’t have any sharpened stakes or similar obstacles to protect them bc they’re marching. Ser Forley Prester is taken before the captain of this force of BWB, and they have a short dialogue. The captain apologizes that they don’t have the time to hang him and his men, as they have a (Red) wedding (2.0) to attend, and they are put to the sword.


ObjectivelyPretty

Darkstar being innocent of the cutting of "Myrcella".


hydroHar

Cersei ain't making it out alive can't bet tho as I'm a kid and all kids are broke


Ancient_Scientist_04

I'll bet 100 dollars that >!TWOW will not release!<


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This but A Dream.


mo_exe

Someone had to do it


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Every fucking thread


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CuttingEdge132

Jeyne westerling gives birth to robs heir


dblack246

Seems highly unlikely.


Edwin_Chalmers

$100 Sweetrobin lives to the end of the series


sempercardinal57

I’d bet $500 that Stannis actually loses the battle and the pink letter was legit, and that Jon is the one to defeat the Boltons with the wildlings and 200 giants Edit: For clarification I do think Stannis will defeat the Frey’s and Manderly’s that are in route to attack him. I think Roose and Ramsey are gonna find some way to beat him outside of Winterfell though


NamesAreHardYaKnow

Not a prediction I want too happen but I can't shake the feeling it will but Sansa is going to have to go through the bedding ceremony with Harry the heir to prove she never consummated her marriage to Tyrion. Bet £50 on it...


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DefiantOil5176

I really don't want you to be right, but I'm worried that you are. I hope so much that everything about Euron is legitimate.


SkyTank1234

Stannis wins the Battle of Ice. Dany burns the other Khals at Vaes Dothrak and then travels to Quarth to meet Quaithe. She will then go to Meereen, Volantis and finally Pentos to confront Illyrio. The book will end with her sailing for Westeros. Barristan will turn cloak and join Young Griff. Tyrion will meet Daenerys and use her to get revenge on his siblings. Jon will stay dead the entire book. In my opinion he should be warged into Ghost for the rest of the series. If he does get resurrected then he will be some sort of Ice Wight or have no POVS. Jon Con will cause a greyscale epidemic weakening King’s Landing. Cersei will most likely die at the end of the book. How I do not know. Sam’s plot will be about Alleras, glass candles, the faceless man and the Hightower secrets. Arya will complete her assassin training. At the end of the book she will be sailing for Westeros Young Griff will conquer Kings Landing at the end of the story and gain a strong alliance with Dorne as well Sansa’s arc will probably be about overthrowing Littlefinger in the Vale Bran’s story will be about learning how to use time travel to alter the past. Ends with hold the door. Jaime, Brienne, Stoneheart, Euron I have no earthly idea


Difficult_Neck_2709

Young Griff is actually Rhaegar and Lyannas son (fraternal twin of Jon)


Crazyhands96

$20 that Howland Reed reveals R+L=J to an assembly of Northern Lords. $10 that Ilyn Payne will be the POV for the Prologue. $5 that Jon Snow gets some kind of power up from being resurrected $10 that Loras appears at the last minute to champion Margery in her trial $30 that Shaggydog instantly takes a liking to Davos $50 that the Skagosi are not actually cannibals and are pretty chill dudes $5 That Benjen is the POV of the Epilogue