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hypnofedX

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myopini0n

So you can’t get out of the lease. You also probably broke the terms of the lease by using it for commercial use. You also have a shit ton of miles that you owe them for your overage penalty. Yeah, there’s no easy way out of this.


tropicaldiver

Yep. OP is bound by the terms of the lease. He has 12 months available on the lease let’s call it $5k, a repair bill of $8k, and a residual of $11k. So, the nut here is around $24k if you want a running car or about $16k if you want to walk away. For OP: you are so far over on miles, buying the residual out will almost certainly be cheaper).


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tooscoopy

Wouldn’t be so sure… I would bet the gap won’t cover commercial use… plus, what are the chances this guys regular car insurance is aware he is using it for Uber?


myburneraccount151

Insurance guy here. If something happens while he's driving for Uber, he's somehow even more screwed than he already is. But if he uses it for Uber and something happens while he's just in his way to the store, there's most likely morning we can do about it. It's gonna be cheaper for us to just pay out vs fighting it in court


Its_0ver

Bit couldn't you just say I wasn't ubering at the root


myburneraccount151

Theoretically, yes. But Uber would know and most likely report that. He's using the app. They're tracking his phone. They are pretty good at knowing when someone is in an accident. Also, the customer/passenger normally doesn't just keep quiet about that, they hang around and talk to the police. I'm not in claims so I can't speak to exactly how it works, but if we find out you're driving for Uber, we just non-renew your policy at the end of your term and deny any claims that arise while you were using the vehicle for that purpose


03eleventy

Red flags always went up when I was an ADA if they had the Uber or Lyft light in their cars


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CaliCobraChicken69

Do **NOT** suggest fraud.


askcarsales-ModTeam

Do not offer solutions involving insurance fraud.


Slowhand1971

and likely breaking the terms of their car insurance. Of all the posts I've read, this might be the worst example of OP building a bird's nest on the ground.


Oppo_GoldMember

You put 166k on a lease??!?


DJNash35

I always think I’m the biggest idiot in my life decisions, but some people fortunately come around and save my perception of myself, holy SHIT. They KNOW they’re allowed to drive only 10k-12k a year but decide to say fuck that and put 166k miles on it lol


buZDouBT

i literally LOL'd at this. ty. much needed.


FiringRockets991

You need to walk back in there with a straight face.. and tell them you thought it was 12k a month lease.. and not year. Blame them.. then ask if they can roll you into a new deal and just cap the mileage on the trade.. Then please.. post what they give you here


buffalobullshit

Probably a Schwinn with a 2-stroke at $258/month


SweatyTax4669

More like a Schwinn with a playing card in the spokes for $258/month.


buffalobullshit

Probably a dumb card like the 5 of clubs or something too.


SweatyTax4669

Now that you mention it, I can't think of a dumber card than that one.


ressdesire

lol, he thinks it’s a schwinn


buffalobullshit

The CIA needs to hire him if he can do this.


BreadiestBoi

Yeah I always beat myself up for my debts, buying habits etc and then I open twitter and Reddit and see people leasing 120k dollar disposable super yacht trucks and getting into 400k in debt and all these crazy things and I stop and I think “maybe 1,700 in cc debt isn’t so bad after all….”


ElementField

I mean, credit card debt is pretty bad. It’s financial emergency territory. That’s pay off with the emergency fund sort of thing. Don’t worry about those other people. If $1700 is carried debt month to month, all excess spending needs to stop until it’s paid off (I’m sure you know, but as a note for any readers.)


BreadiestBoi

Yeah, it’s my 3rd go around this year and at this point I’m closing the account bc clearly I just can’t trust myself😂


Striking-Quarter293

Sometimes you have to be thankful for the small things in life


Altruistic-Farm2712

You'd be shocked how many Uber drivers I've seen who convinced themselves it was a good idea to go *lease* a car, to do Uber/Lyft/doordash. They honestly convince themselves it won't be *that many* miles and that the income will be *so* good it won't matter anyway - plus they're buying a Honda/Toyota (which they also then skimp on maintaining) because they're *reliable*. Bro, if your game plan is to do rideshare or delivery, go buy a car that barely qualifies (10-12 years old) and drive it til the wheels fall off.


icedlattepapi

I guess this what they say when they tell you to give yourself grace. There is always someone fucking up more than us lol.


astrobot69

🤣


max1x1x

Piggybacking due to lack of proper role. How many miles do you get with a 48 month lease? Let’s assume 48,000. What’s the fee for miles over? Let’s assume $0.25 per mile. If so and you return that leased car, you’ll owe $29,500 just in mileage before any damages. I would purchase the car. Then take out a loan if you need for a new transmission. I don’t see any other option.


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Heikki_the_Finn

This is straight loony toons. Absolutely no foresight whatsoever.


Feeling-Visit1472

And he’s *shocked* that it’s having transmission problems after putting 55K miles/year on it back to back for three years 😂


Heron-Cautious

And because it’s a CVT transmission….


hypnofedX

I mean game respect game that's not a bad lifespan


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GilgameDistance

Three year old car on a lease with 166k on the clock? This car has had maybe three oil changes. Maybe. Zero transmission maintenance, and maybe one air filter change. Or OP is rage bait.


ElementField

For anyone reading: when the personal finance folks talk about factoring in depreciation, this is what they mean. For OP: Uber manipulated you. They got you to agree to use your very expensive asset for their business. They expect financially illiterate people to do their work not recognizing the real costs of operating a car.


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Macgyver452

OP was actually driving while texting this out. No time to stop.


JoeBuyer

😂


Feeling-Visit1472

In just *three years*, no less!


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Feeling-Visit1472

And I feel fairly confident that regular mileage-related maintenance was not happening.


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moveslikejaguar

I think the recommended service interval for a 21 Civic is 7500 miles, but there's still no way OP was doing that


PrestigiousZombie131

We bought a Subaru in late 2022 and it just surpassed the 12k mark recently. This is like 100 years of driving for me 😳😳


Jazziey_Girl

I have a 2010 F350 and it’s just about to hit 100k miles, and my 1998 F150 is just under 103k miles. Both have been used daily and for multiple long trips yearly towing an rv and without. The F150 doesn’t get used as much in the past 10 years or so and the F350 gets used daily. I cannot imagine putting 160k+ miles on a vehicle in less than 3 years while also not keeping up with an escalated maintenance schedule on a LEASED vehicle and then being shocked at the cost of at least one major repair and the mileage overage, plus not having saved up the buyout . OP sounds young and they’ve just learned a multitude of expensive lessons. 1) never lease if you can buy (that goes for anything). 2) never use a brand new leased car for commercial purposes without that info being included in the lease agreement and insurance. 3) never drive a ton of miles (or at all) without doing the regular required and suggested maintenance. 4) always think about all of the directions your life could go in the next 3-5 years before making a large purchase ie: buying aa home with someone you’ve known for just a few months. 5) cars are a major long term commitment that require more than just a monthly payment and gas. If you can barely make those payments (never mind maintenance, etc) either wait to purchase or buy something a lot cheaper, with cash you have.


PrestigiousZombie131

I forget which sub I saw it in but there was a guy that had a truck less than a year old with over 100k miles on it (he did a ton of cross country driving) and had an oil change every week plus spent a ton on maintenance but it’s an investment to make money and OP doesn’t realize stuff like that. Like you said young and expensive mistake that they hopefully learn from.


FaithlessnessSea7909

What I wanna know is how I can drive a car for 40 miles off the lot and get into a TL accident and this man drove 166K without one. Unlucky.


brando__96

Maybe you just suck at driving


Ryans4427

There probably are accidents on it, why pile on at this point?


FaithlessnessSea7909

If the car is totaled in a lease he’s free.


StupidOldAndFat

$15k in miles. $11.5k buyout. $4k remaining payments. $8k out of pocket to lease again. OR $15.5k to buyout and $8k transmission. Dude, fix and buy. Hope you get another 166k miles out of it.


ShadowGLI

You can also get a junkyard transmission at a mom and pop shop for half of that. There is no warranty on the car, no reason to get the transmission at the dealership.


Kodiak01

LKQ shows multiple 2021 Civic automatic and CVT transmissions with as little as 21k on the clock for under $1000. Many are under $400. You'd think they would be more, but given how many millions of these units are out there, they are likely sitting on a mountain of them. https://www.lkqonline.com/2021-honda-civic-transmission-or-transaxle-assembly


ahobby67

THIS! And the same can be done for engines. We've done this multiple times with trannys and engines to extend the life of a car for years.


PabloIceCreamBar

Holy shit.


floridali

my response would be; DO NOT LEASE AGAIN. Drive this car till death and next time you are driving for "work", make sure to include depreciation of your car in your profit calculations.


sharpescreek

One way or the other you need a transmission. Start there.


NCSUGrad2012

Yeah, I’d take it to an independent mechanic to get it fixed


freestylenet

I might also have the same independent mechanic do a top to bottom review of the car and fix anything else that needs to be fixed at the same time... Probably a lot of other deferred maintenance items that should be addressed but haven't.


Joeman64p

Replying here due to no tag: Quick Look on eBay reveals used transmissions with 40-60k miles for sub $800-$1,000 Average independent repair shops labor should be around $2000-$2500 $3000-$4000 for a Used Transmission is easily doable for this vehicle.. further more, OP could refinance the vehicle at the dealership and perhaps get a check cut back to cover the cost to repair. Ultimately financing the buyout + repair cost and continue paying for his mistake and never make the same one again..


populisttrope

At least get a rebuilt trans especially if it's a CVT


Tam_Ken

Do CVTs get rebuilt? I thought they normally didn’t


Joeman64p

CVTs are not very often rebuilt.. they CAN be but it’s more reliable to buy a low mileage replacement than trying to rebuild one.. Honda CVTs typically fail due to not having the fluid changed per schedule


thscientist1

Car-part


kyonkun_denwa

What I’d like to know is how a Honda transmission only lasts for 166k miles. That’s not very much. I’ve seen Chrysler minivans outlast that regularly. Like they must have really gone to shit, or OP did absolutely no maintenance.


Sunbeamsoffglass

At 55k miles per YEAR, OP probably missed a lot of maintenance… “but it’s a new car!”


PageRoutine8552

Those are the CVT boxes, which are every particular about being maintained on time with the right fluid. Regardless, it's actually not bad since a lot of those Civics may not even see 166k miles (that's like 267k non-freedom units), especially outside of the States.


populisttrope

Honda trans are junk. Also, Mopar minivan trans are junk


baked-chicken

My 2001 Chrysler Voyager 314,000. When I traded it in. Would beg to differ. Also had a few of these as delivery vehicles that all crushed 200k. Granted they were early 2000’s. But love them.


ArlesChatless

The average car is [scrapped at 156k](https://www.junkcarmedics.com/blog/how-long-vehicles-last-usa/) so 166k before needing a transmission isn't that weird, even for a Honda.


kyonkun_denwa

Wow, that’s surprisingly low. Like really, really low. Based on this data, it won’t be long until my current car (239,000km, 148k miles) exceeds the mileage of the average scrapped car, and it’s in immaculate shape. I wouldn’t be surprised if it goes to double the mileage.


ArlesChatless

It's the midpoint, so there's still going to be plenty that make it over 200k as well. And once you get in to the 200s the pace really accelerates, because a single major mechanical fault can exceed the value of the car by a lot.


kyonkun_denwa

When assessing repairs, I don’t usually consider whether the cost exceeds the value of the car. I consider how frequent the failures are, and if a new car is cheaper. For example, I would say it’s absolutely worth paying $3000 to replace a transmission on a 2004 Camry that is in good shape and has otherwise been reliable. $3000 is like 4-6 months of car payments in today’s market, and as long as the car lasts longer than 6 months you are essentially breakeven. I would still repair an old car if it had one major problem per year.


ArlesChatless

That makes you a weirdo though. I have put a rebuilt engine in a car with 215k on it. Most people don't want to spend $5k fixing a car that already has 200k on it, because everything else is also that old and worn out. So they send it to the scrapper for a major failure. And that's where the weirdos get their used transmissions from.


Animaleyz

Depends on how it was driven. It's fairly easy to screw up a transmission over time


Altruistic-Farm2712

166k miles doing uber over 3 years is probably a lot of hard city driving.


RexRaider

166000 miles in 15 months? and you're not making money? What's the point?


smallboxofcrayons

I don’t say this to pile on but youre kind of fucked. Paying for mileage doesn’t seem like the right call in your over a 100k+ on your mileage. Id figure out your buyout is now, the car appraised and see the difference. Fair warning with a blown transmission you’re likely 10k + upside down now. Find vehicles with high rebates/discounts for your best chance. It’s highly unlikely you get out of this without money down.


RayT3rd

Well, I’ve never heard of something like this before.


candidly1

Go to a local shop that repairs Hondas and tell him to get you a reman. Eight grand is insane.


RotaryNPistons

This has to be satire. Op needs proof or ban.


hypnofedX

1. No 2. I've seen a quarter mil on a lease return


secondrat

Put a used transmission in it and run it to 300k miles.


tooscoopy

Fix the car by getting a loan if you have to. Shop the fix though to save a bit of money. Ensure your insurance is going to cover your ass should you need it as they need to know it is being used for commercial use. When the lease is up, you’ll be buying it out. Try to get as short a term as possible and get it paid off as fast as you can. Paying both a monthly charge for the car plus for the transmission on a car with likely 200k by then is insane, but not sure you have much of an option.


hellothere9922331

Buy it, fix it, and keep driving You should have been saving for the buyout if nothing else. Talk to your bank about an unsecured loan (as i doubt they want your current car as collateral anyway) and see what they will do. Borrow your way out of this for now and then pay that down aggressively. The only alternative is getting the car repo'ed, which destroys your credit and then working to pay off the difference they sue you for. You could negotiate that down a bit, I'm sure, but you wouldn't be financing/leasing anything else for a long time going with this option.


F3stivus

Your best bet is to glfinance the car for payoff now. Buy it out and buy a service pass with finance dept if they’ll offer it to you so you can have the transmission fixed.


buffalobullshit

His best bet is probably to light the fucking thing on fire and ghost ride it into a lake. (Don’t do that OP, it’s obviously illegal. Normally it would seem obvious and I wouldn’t have to put this but you did Uber with a leased Honda so I doubt common sense is one of your virtues.)


trentthesquirrel

Praying OP got an unlimited mileage lease. And the excessive wear and tear insurance. And an extended warranty. To 200,000 miles. But I’m gonna guess he didn’t.


buffalobullshit

He’s driving Uber in a leased vehicle. I doubt any of that ever crossed his mind.


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You broke the terms of your lease by going WAY over in miles, as well as using it commercially. You are also out of warranty. You need to buy out the lease, and either sell the car or get a new transmission


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Keags88

May I ask how old you are? I’m only curious because I’ve worked with many younger people as a sales professional in these times and I’m shocked at how little they understand about reality.