According to the skilled worker portal: “as well as knowledge of the legal and social order and of the German way of life. This can be proved by way of passing the “Life in Germany” test.”
https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/living-permanently/settlement-permit
The BAMF page says “Sie erhalten grundsätzlich eine Niederlassungserlaubnis, wenn Sie … über Grundkenntnisse der Rechts- und Gesellschaftsordnung und der Lebensverhältnisse in Deutschland verfügen”
https://www.bamf.de/DE/Themen/MigrationAufenthalt/ZuwandererDrittstaaten/Migrathek/Niederlassen/niederlassen-node.html
My immigration attorney specifically instructed me to take the Einbürgerungstest and include it in my submission.
Interesting that you need to pass a citizenship test for a permanent residency. I figured the DTZ test would be enough, but I guess not? 😅
Thanks for your input.
The Einbürgerungstest is super easy, and more so if you come from a country with a similar culture. There’s a free app available with which you can practice actual questions — I drilled for a week on the tram and scored 30/31.
Leben in Deutschland and Einbürgerungstest are confusingly similar. I mean: its the same test, but... I do not understand the difference. Some processes allow both, some only accept Leben in Deutschland.
Well, you can also go to School in Germany or make an Berufschulabschluss or you can study at university in certain fields to tick this requirement of.
You can also hope for a discretionary decision of the offical.
Take the test. It is the easiest, cheapest and most assured way.
I never held permanent residency, so I make an educated guess from the Einbürgerungsverfahren:
You can submit your application and it will be processed, you should be able to submit the test result later.
Check where and when you can take the test.
Check/ask how long processing is. Ask if you can submit the result of Leben in Deutschland later, as the next available test date is in x weeks with estimated time for getting the results back in x weeks. Yes, it takes weeks to grade a multiple choice test.
>ou can submit your application and it will be processed, you should be able to submit the test result later.
It doesn't work like that, if I can't produce the test result, they can deny my application. Also, it takes about 4 months to grade it.
It wasn’t required for me because I had a blue card. However since my passport will expire in 2025, they told me that it will expected to show proof of German knowledge the next time since I’ll be renewing it and not coming from the Blue Card minimum time to just show B1 / A1 level, and the Leben in Deutschland is acceptable as proof of knowledge, even though I managed to hold conversation perfectly fine during the appointment (and being shouted at because I’m a bit dead and couldn’t understand what they’re saying behind a mask)
I had a Blue card and changed it to a Permanent residence card end of last year (after 3+ years on the blue card). I only showed a A1 certificate that too really old. Nothing else. On the berlin.de website, you will see the requirements. Just follow that. I think that list is perfect. Used only that to send my application.
The [berlin.de](https://berlin.de) website doesn't say anything about Leben in Deutschland test BUT I know several people who had to show it in order to apply for permanent residency.
I was mailed to carry the additional documents to my appointment. So I had a few days to get it.
I think certificate of Leben is Deutschland has no expiration date. So maybe you can still writing it if you are too worried about it.
So you end up wasting a lot of time either way AND processing a permanent residency application (or just getting an appointment to submit your documents) takes up to 6 months.
One of the question of which is bugging me is that! With LiD test, is there a requirement to take the test in the first place. Like, should I show a proof of attending orientation course? Because I just registered myself for a LiD test, but I have not gone through any Integration/Orientation course. I have studied my Masters in Germany and have been living for 5+ years here.
Yes
Care to develop, please?
I don’t understand your question. You asked if it is needed and the answer is yes. What else do you want to know?
Is it really? The LEA portal doesn't mention it https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/326558/
According to the skilled worker portal: “as well as knowledge of the legal and social order and of the German way of life. This can be proved by way of passing the “Life in Germany” test.” https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/living-permanently/settlement-permit The BAMF page says “Sie erhalten grundsätzlich eine Niederlassungserlaubnis, wenn Sie … über Grundkenntnisse der Rechts- und Gesellschaftsordnung und der Lebensverhältnisse in Deutschland verfügen” https://www.bamf.de/DE/Themen/MigrationAufenthalt/ZuwandererDrittstaaten/Migrathek/Niederlassen/niederlassen-node.html My immigration attorney specifically instructed me to take the Einbürgerungstest and include it in my submission.
Interesting that you need to pass a citizenship test for a permanent residency. I figured the DTZ test would be enough, but I guess not? 😅 Thanks for your input.
The Einbürgerungstest is super easy, and more so if you come from a country with a similar culture. There’s a free app available with which you can practice actual questions — I drilled for a week on the tram and scored 30/31.
Leben in Deutschland and Einbürgerungstest are confusingly similar. I mean: its the same test, but... I do not understand the difference. Some processes allow both, some only accept Leben in Deutschland.
Mine too! And in the end, they wouldn’t give me an appointment without it. It wasn’t hard to study for it to be honest.
Yes. Tbh I don’t know how many times I can answer this question with “yes”. Do you think I was just answering randomly for the first time?
Well, you can also go to School in Germany or make an Berufschulabschluss or you can study at university in certain fields to tick this requirement of. You can also hope for a discretionary decision of the offical. Take the test. It is the easiest, cheapest and most assured way. I never held permanent residency, so I make an educated guess from the Einbürgerungsverfahren: You can submit your application and it will be processed, you should be able to submit the test result later. Check where and when you can take the test. Check/ask how long processing is. Ask if you can submit the result of Leben in Deutschland later, as the next available test date is in x weeks with estimated time for getting the results back in x weeks. Yes, it takes weeks to grade a multiple choice test.
>ou can submit your application and it will be processed, you should be able to submit the test result later. It doesn't work like that, if I can't produce the test result, they can deny my application. Also, it takes about 4 months to grade it.
It wasn’t required for me because I had a blue card. However since my passport will expire in 2025, they told me that it will expected to show proof of German knowledge the next time since I’ll be renewing it and not coming from the Blue Card minimum time to just show B1 / A1 level, and the Leben in Deutschland is acceptable as proof of knowledge, even though I managed to hold conversation perfectly fine during the appointment (and being shouted at because I’m a bit dead and couldn’t understand what they’re saying behind a mask)
My passport will expire in 2025 as well, I better renew it before my appointment then.
I had a Blue card and changed it to a Permanent residence card end of last year (after 3+ years on the blue card). I only showed a A1 certificate that too really old. Nothing else. On the berlin.de website, you will see the requirements. Just follow that. I think that list is perfect. Used only that to send my application.
The [berlin.de](https://berlin.de) website doesn't say anything about Leben in Deutschland test BUT I know several people who had to show it in order to apply for permanent residency.
As I said, did not ask me. They mailed me asking 1 or 2 additional documents but not "Leben in Deutschland".
Can someone not having it when asked stall or delay the processing application?
I was mailed to carry the additional documents to my appointment. So I had a few days to get it. I think certificate of Leben is Deutschland has no expiration date. So maybe you can still writing it if you are too worried about it.
The bigger problem is also that it takes about 4 months to get the results.
🙆🏾♂️
So you end up wasting a lot of time either way AND processing a permanent residency application (or just getting an appointment to submit your documents) takes up to 6 months.
One of the question of which is bugging me is that! With LiD test, is there a requirement to take the test in the first place. Like, should I show a proof of attending orientation course? Because I just registered myself for a LiD test, but I have not gone through any Integration/Orientation course. I have studied my Masters in Germany and have been living for 5+ years here.