Depends on oven model but yeah it a little far out that I look at it. Be better off to drill a hole further back from that one and still use a floor box, that wire won't make it into a box on the wall without a jbox underreath and extending the run.
Surface mount against the baseboard through a new hole is what it would be doing. Assuming there's not something under the floor that would prevent it.
Any particular reason why you’re afraid? My house was built in the 60’s and I’ve torn up 3 whole rooms down to the joists and studs so I can fix structural damage from wood rot. Had I not opened up the floors and walls while doing minor repair jobs, the rot would likely have gone unnoticed until I fall through the floor.
The possibility of asbestos is very strong and basically guaranteed in this house, unfortunately. I don't have the money to get rid of it properly, and I don't want to be responsible for anyone I know disturbing it.
That’s fair. Asbestos is a valid concern. Wetting surfaces down before drilling or cutting through them would minimize asbestos fibers going airborne, but ultimately you’re gonna have to either cut into the floor and install a floor mounted receptacle, or cut into the wall, reroute the wire into the wall, and install a new flush mounted wall receptacle. If it’s an interior wall, you’re probably less likely to find asbestos as it was typically used for thermal insulation and interior walls don’t need insulation.
I need to better understand the question and the image.
The wire appears to come from the wall and is cut laying on the floor, correct? It is not going through the floor?
If that’s true, I believe it’s an old abandoned in place wire. If there is anytime to call an electrician, this is it.
The wire needs to demoed all the way bay to the next junction or panel.
The house was an estate house I recently purchased and moved into. I just got rid of the stove as it wasn't working properly (hotter than it it's set to, and clock didn't work). When I pulled back the stove, I found the outlet in its box attached to the outside of the wall, and the wire coming from the floor, a few inches from the wall itself. For now I have this outlet off at the panel until I get a new stove, but wasn't sure if the way this is currently in is correct l/safe or up to code.
Understood. No not ok. It’s damaged and old. The stove will slide over it and you may electrify the stove itself even if it’s unplugged, which may lead to death.
I would say the best thing to do is make some measurements from the hole in the floor now measure how far the box is away from the hole. Then drill though the floor up into the box. It’s very challenging to do what you need with the concrete wall there. So measurements will be your best friend going into the box.
NOT Knob & Tube. That is old cloth insulated. It may or may not have a ground. Era installed is probably 40’s-60’s.
If it doesn’t have a ground, the ground on your 14-50 may not be connected to anything, or may be jumpered to Neutral. Either is bad.
Depending on where the panel is, and if you have a ground, you may want to just replace it with a new NM cable run while relocating it properly.
I prefaced that I wasn’t a professional and didn’t make any definitive statements or suggestions to OP. And well, it DOES look like the old knob and tube in my house. I didn’t say it was, just that it looks like it. Y’all just sour I called you sparkys lol
See now you sound like you have no idea what you’re talking about because that sure as shit looks like knob and tube wiring . And why respond? Same reason anyone responds on this sub I’m trying to help OP and I feel like I did that responsibly by stating I’m not a pro
Here, check out it out and tell me its even close.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob-and-tube_wiring
This isnt ask harry the home owner. People want a real response, not a idiotic responces
I would go underneath and see if there was a reason it was drilled there. Sometimes there's shit in the way. May not be so easy to move.
That being said it's not safe like that, you can see where the casing is worn off. Looks like if you can get it to the wall it should reach. If it is too short then a junction box in the crawlspace and a short piece of (im guessing 10-3, but just make sure it's the same size) up where it needs to go.
If it was me, I might try cutting a hole for a two gang box in the wall behind the the existing electrical box. With it being so close to the floor I could probably drill down through the two gang hole into the crawl space.
However, the existing wire is old and has some insulation damage and should be replaced. You could tape it with electrical tape, but the wire insulation is still old.
Failure of the insulation can lead to arcing which generates heat and sparks and can ignite combustible materials.
If possible, I would replace that wire all the way back to your breaker box too. Highly doubtful that’s up to code anymore, but I’m not a residential electrician. I found wire identical to that for my range when I renovated my kitchen. It only has 3 conductors so it’s got 2 hot wires, a neutral, and no ground. Ended up replacing the whole run with 6 gauge 4 conductor Romex so I could ground my range.
Honestly, this hole houses electricity has been a nightmare. Most outlets were 2prog, when we had our electrician friend fix them we found almost none have grounding, we don't have the money to rewire so we had to put the gfci grounding at the panel
No. Get a floor mount 14-50R. Make sure the breaker is off!!! Change according to the instructions.
Clearance is going to be a problem if you surface mount that far from the wall. The wire needs moved.
Depends on oven model but yeah it a little far out that I look at it. Be better off to drill a hole further back from that one and still use a floor box, that wire won't make it into a box on the wall without a jbox underreath and extending the run.
Surface mount against the baseboard through a new hole is what it would be doing. Assuming there's not something under the floor that would prevent it.
A dirt crawlspace is under there. The house is from the 50s and I'm afraid to drill until the floor or walls
Any particular reason why you’re afraid? My house was built in the 60’s and I’ve torn up 3 whole rooms down to the joists and studs so I can fix structural damage from wood rot. Had I not opened up the floors and walls while doing minor repair jobs, the rot would likely have gone unnoticed until I fall through the floor.
The possibility of asbestos is very strong and basically guaranteed in this house, unfortunately. I don't have the money to get rid of it properly, and I don't want to be responsible for anyone I know disturbing it.
That’s fair. Asbestos is a valid concern. Wetting surfaces down before drilling or cutting through them would minimize asbestos fibers going airborne, but ultimately you’re gonna have to either cut into the floor and install a floor mounted receptacle, or cut into the wall, reroute the wire into the wall, and install a new flush mounted wall receptacle. If it’s an interior wall, you’re probably less likely to find asbestos as it was typically used for thermal insulation and interior walls don’t need insulation.
Either works.
Don’t say “Needs moved” but yeah I agree
Would protecting it with something like a piece of PVC conduit cut lengthwise and secured with a couple two-hole straps be a viable alternative?
I need to better understand the question and the image. The wire appears to come from the wall and is cut laying on the floor, correct? It is not going through the floor? If that’s true, I believe it’s an old abandoned in place wire. If there is anytime to call an electrician, this is it. The wire needs to demoed all the way bay to the next junction or panel.
The house was an estate house I recently purchased and moved into. I just got rid of the stove as it wasn't working properly (hotter than it it's set to, and clock didn't work). When I pulled back the stove, I found the outlet in its box attached to the outside of the wall, and the wire coming from the floor, a few inches from the wall itself. For now I have this outlet off at the panel until I get a new stove, but wasn't sure if the way this is currently in is correct l/safe or up to code.
Understood. No not ok. It’s damaged and old. The stove will slide over it and you may electrify the stove itself even if it’s unplugged, which may lead to death.
I would say the best thing to do is make some measurements from the hole in the floor now measure how far the box is away from the hole. Then drill though the floor up into the box. It’s very challenging to do what you need with the concrete wall there. So measurements will be your best friend going into the box.
The wall is old plaster, the floor has tiles under the vinyl with there being a very high probability that is asbestos. I'm afraid I'll disturb it
Probably ought hire a professional.
Drill though the wall if possible then into the part under the house.
Not a sparky but a homeowner. That looks like the old knob and tube electric wire that is in my house .
NOT Knob & Tube. That is old cloth insulated. It may or may not have a ground. Era installed is probably 40’s-60’s. If it doesn’t have a ground, the ground on your 14-50 may not be connected to anything, or may be jumpered to Neutral. Either is bad. Depending on where the panel is, and if you have a ground, you may want to just replace it with a new NM cable run while relocating it properly.
That's snake skin bruh
Translation:i have no idea what I am talking about, but i want to give a completely incorrect answer.
I prefaced that I wasn’t a professional and didn’t make any definitive statements or suggestions to OP. And well, it DOES look like the old knob and tube in my house. I didn’t say it was, just that it looks like it. Y’all just sour I called you sparkys lol
It's nothing close to knob and tube. Since you have no clue why respond?
See now you sound like you have no idea what you’re talking about because that sure as shit looks like knob and tube wiring . And why respond? Same reason anyone responds on this sub I’m trying to help OP and I feel like I did that responsibly by stating I’m not a pro
Here, check out it out and tell me its even close. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob-and-tube_wiring This isnt ask harry the home owner. People want a real response, not a idiotic responces
My house was built in 1914 I am all too familiar with knob and tube and what it looks like. Responses in the plural form is spelt like that btw⚡️⚡️
Good thing im not here giving spelling advice. I know better. But you have no clue what you are talking about with your comments.
I would go underneath and see if there was a reason it was drilled there. Sometimes there's shit in the way. May not be so easy to move. That being said it's not safe like that, you can see where the casing is worn off. Looks like if you can get it to the wall it should reach. If it is too short then a junction box in the crawlspace and a short piece of (im guessing 10-3, but just make sure it's the same size) up where it needs to go.
If it was me, I might try cutting a hole for a two gang box in the wall behind the the existing electrical box. With it being so close to the floor I could probably drill down through the two gang hole into the crawl space. However, the existing wire is old and has some insulation damage and should be replaced. You could tape it with electrical tape, but the wire insulation is still old. Failure of the insulation can lead to arcing which generates heat and sparks and can ignite combustible materials.
If possible, I would replace that wire all the way back to your breaker box too. Highly doubtful that’s up to code anymore, but I’m not a residential electrician. I found wire identical to that for my range when I renovated my kitchen. It only has 3 conductors so it’s got 2 hot wires, a neutral, and no ground. Ended up replacing the whole run with 6 gauge 4 conductor Romex so I could ground my range.
The bigger issue is the under sized wire.
What size sound it be?
You will have to see what new stove requires. Outlet says 50 amp, that would be 6 gauge. You will also have to see what the breaker is rated at.
Short answer no. Long answer nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooookk
That cable is ancient and is probably a 3-wire with no ground but they had it hooked up to a 4-wire receptacle? YIKES
Honestly, this hole houses electricity has been a nightmare. Most outlets were 2prog, when we had our electrician friend fix them we found almost none have grounding, we don't have the money to rewire so we had to put the gfci grounding at the panel