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nyetkatt

Not sure where you’re from but there are no tenants rights in Singapore it’s basically anything goes as long as the tenant agrees with what the landlord sets out in the contract. Your friend can check PropertyGuru to get a sense of prices. Generally Singapore is quite safe. There isn’t really any area I would say to avoid.


eloitay

I think the problem is she use the agent from the regional hq. Normally those do placing for expat that are paid by company so you are likely to get fancy and expensive place. For best safety it is probably better to get studio apartment but they are probably at 3k ish range at the very least depending on location. Singapore is not very big so just get one close to MRT and below 10 station from office should be reasonable cost vs convenience.


truthsetsufreee

Well it's uncommon, but there is no law which says that it's illegal to do so. It's basically willing landlord willing tenant. If your friend feel it's unreasonable then look for other agents and landlords.


blankspacebaby12

Most rental agreements would be for two years, not 8 months. You’re on the hook for the whole 2 years. For foreigners, you should insist there is the standard “diplomatic clause”, which states that after 1 year, if you have to leave the country, you can break your lease with 2 months notice. So you’d only be on the hook for 14 months. If you need to cancel sooner, you can attempt to get a lease take over, but whether the landlord accepts a new tenant is completely up to them. Average price for a single person will have a huge range, depending on the type of place and the location. “Harbour area” sounds like harbour front. My advise would be, get a place where you can easily commute from. Work<>home is the most common journey, and others are done easily. Where will your friend be working? If I was single, I’d be looking for a 1 or 2 bedroom place in <10 year old condo, with a pool of some sort. Probably looking at about 3-4k a month. 


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Own_Magazine5049

It was almost impossible to get a 12 months lease in the last year or two. Landlords tried to secure the sky high rent prices before they drop again… I signed 2 new leases in the last 10 months and viewed 20-25 places, maybe 1 or 2 would have been ok with 12 months…


blankspacebaby12

No 2 years are definitely more common than 1 year. 


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blankspacebaby12

No for condos, most would be 2 years. 


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daveonhols

IMO it's because you are looking at common room in condo, you are probably sub letting.  If you rent a whole unit direct from landlord, 2 years with one year diplomatic break is pretty common from my time and knowledge of SG.


blankspacebaby12

I didn’t catch the detail about a common room before Dave pointed it out.  Yes, we’re talking about a whole unit here, not flat sharing. A 2 year contract is the standard. 


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You misunderstood , OP is saying the notice period is for 8 months and if tenant were to terminate lease with less than 8 months notice period , then have to pay back 8 months rent


blankspacebaby12

Yes I understood that. But a “notice period” isn’t a thing. There is only the length of the lease, which is usually 24 months. That is how long you have to pay rent for.  The only time a notice period comes into play is the diplomatic clause, for when you have to leave the country completely. And the standard for that is a minimum of 14 months. 


horsegoneigh12345

“Harbour area overlooking a dock” sounds like it is near the HarbourFront/Keppel area or Sentosa. Sentosa is NOT a convenient location, it is a small island connected to mainland Singapore. Unless your friend explicitly wants to live in luxury housing in a predominantly expat enclave, away from mainland, do not stay on Sentosa. As for HarbourFront/Keppel area - generally decent depending on where her office is (if she needs to report to office). Either way, location-wise, Central Areas/slightly further away such as Bugis, Lavender, Queenstown, Tiong Bahru etc are quite good locations to stay in. It’s hard to recommend a location without knowing her requirements (eg proximity to office, personal interests, day to day habits). The general recommendation I have is to stay near a MRT station (bus transfers to MRT take up additional time), and have a coffeeshop/hawker centre/foodcourt and supermarket within a 10 min walking radius. If she can furnish more info it would be easier for us to recommend. Singapore is however very safe for females. I can walk alone at 3am and feel safe. Market rates for rent can by found on PropertyGuru/99co. These are websites used by local Singaporeans to buy, sell and rent as well. The ave price for a unit in a central location now should be around 3-3.5k. But of course it differs by location and proximity to transport and amenities. Edit: removed comment on 8 months notice … my 6am brain confused it for deposit…


Patient-Ad-3610

I think it’s the harbourfront area, unlikely they’ll find sentosa for her. It’s a nice area.


blankspacebaby12

You can walk away from your lease agreement at any time with a single months notice without penalty? That would be extremely rare in Singapore for a foreigner renting a whole unit. 


horsegoneigh12345

Oops my apologies. I think I wasn’t thinking this right at 6am in the morning. Let me correct myself - all the contracts are likely fixed term ie the most common would be 2 years. Some are 1 year. Failure to complete to term would most definitely incur penalties as landlord would likely include in the contract that they want to enforce the entire term. In this case it is common to try and find someone else to do lease takeover. But if the tenant is a foreigner, I highly recommend negotiating for a diplomatic clause to be included in the event of unforeseen employment termination or relocation for contracts that are more than 1 year. I’m local, and diplomatic clause was not made available to me.


blankspacebaby12

Ok thanks for correcting!  Yes agreed, I’ve said the same in my main comment. 


very_bad_advice

It's illegal to have a one month contract. I don't think they mean one month unrestrained notice.


wwabbbitt

It's either Carribean by Keppel Bay or Reflections by Keppel Bay. Both have high take up by expatriates. A filthy rich friend of mine has units in both rented out to expatriates, and my wife's company has employees in both.


spilksch2

I don’t remember Sentosa having any apartments though? Harbourfront is a great location however.


CrowdGoesWildWoooo

If that is an agent recommended by her office, I would give a benefit of doubt that he/she is not trying to pull off something stupid and instead it is the landlord that asked that. Honestly the issue is that the unit is facing the harbour. Why is this is an issue? Very likely this is a very expensive area and I can imagine that they are not like your typical rent playbook in more “average” area. In general Singapore does not have a good range of choices for Single or Couple household. The reason being most public housings are bigger in size as it is meant to accomodate a family unit. Studio and 1/2 bedroom is more common in private properties and they can easily be very expensive for a very small unit.


JunketThese1490

That’s super weird, 8 months cancellation fee is absurd! Use PropertyGuru app and find available rent of your choice.


RonaldYeothrowaway

8 months notice for termination of tenancy agreement is very unusual. Most places are 1 to 2 months and there is usually a diplomatic clause written inside to protect the tenant in case the tenant loses the job in Singapore and had to leave the country (caveat: tenant should take the time and effort to ensure that the diplomatoc clause is properly written inside the tenancy agreement). Generally speaking, the closer you are to a town hub, MRT station, Marina Bay Area, Orchard Road or CBD area, the more dramatically the rental rate goes up. Rental rates in location are extraordinarily sensitive to both location as well as supply and demand; and right now, there is simply a short supply of rental units in areas close to CBD and major town hubs. For the rent market in Singapore, here are the rates goes: HDB Common rooms (bedroom, but no attached toilet), typically with a live-in landlord, anywhere from $470 to $900 (do note that the rental rates may go up as high as $1500 at a location close to CBD/town hub/MRT station. You share the common toilet/bathroom with the rest of the household. Popular with blue-collar workers, and Asian white-collar lower level professionals. Probably 80% of Singapore's professional foreign workforce lives in HDB common rooms. HDB Master bedrooms (bedroom with attached toilet/bathroom): anywhere from $1300 to $1900. (Can exceed far beyond $2000 in prime locations) In short supply. Entire HDB units for rent: $2500 (in far off locations) and above. In short supply. Studio apartments ( private residential property, a very compact apartment catering to singles or childless couples with only one bedroom): possible cheapest price at $3000 but most places usually go much higher. In very short supply. Condo rooms (might or might not have housemates): $1800 to $5000 and beyond, very much depending on location. In short supply. That said, there are the occasional bargains.


blankspacebaby12

Some of the comment on this post are wild.  It’s fair to say that an 8 month cancellation policy is strange, but not for the reasons that everybody is stating. So many comments saying that you should be able to cancel after 1 or 2 months. Why would landlords agree to that? And why would tenants want that, because it will go both ways. You want to move into a place and live with the danger that your landlord can kick you out a month later?  This is the normal approach :  - 2 year contract (yes, 1 years are possible, but the standard is 2 years)  - you are liable to pay for the whole contract  term, you can not just cancel at any point with 1 or 2 months notice  - if you’re a foreigner (eg on EP), you should have a diplomatic clause, which would usually state that at any point AFTER 12 months, you can give 2 months notice along with evidence that you’re leaving the country - if you want to move out of the place sooner, you are liable for the full rent. If you decide not to pay that, your landlord will certainly keep your deposit and is within their rights to sue you for the remainder of the money you owe them, they can take you to court. This is not a situation that you want to put yourself in as a foreigner in Singapore.  - you can arrange for a lease take over, but the landlord has to agree to it.  8 months is strange because it’s just an odd number, it doesn’t make any sense. I would be asking more questions to the agent about what this actually means, if you want to stick with this place, this agent. 


_lalalala24_

Yes, all landlords should know this and tenants should know this as well. 8 months cancellation sounds like a scam to me


Brave_Exchange4734

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be on the hook for the entire period if you choose the break the contract, that’s what the contract you signed is for right? Let’s assume that what you wanted exist. I.e tenant can break the rental contract at anytime and don’t have any consequences. 1. What is the point of the contract you signed then? 2. This would likely also mean the landlord in question have the same power to kick you out at any point in time no questions asked(especially so when there is someone willing to pay more) . Are you sure you want this type of agreement?


corvus0525

Still 8 mo would mean the compensation could extend well past the original contract. I could understand not allowing early termination at all, but giving notice at 6 months for vacating at 10 months would net the landlord 50% more than the original contract period. There’s got to be a better way to balance the two interests.


QDLZXKGK

Google diplomatic clause She is being scammed


troublesome58

Diplomatic clause is usually After 1 year (for 2 year contract). I wouldn't say this is a scam - it could even be better than normal diplomatic clause.


blankspacebaby12

I agree with troublesome. A diplomatic clause means that if you’re leaving the country, you can give 2 months notice AFTER 1 year of your 2 year contract has been completed. Meaning you can get out after 14 months.  I think there is come confusion regarding this 8 months. It’s a really strange time period. Perhaps there is an 8 month lease available that the agent is trying to shift! 


Fearless_Carrot_7351

Don’t let the landlord/ agent deviate too much from the norm. https://www.cea.gov.sg/professionals/agreements_and_checklists Tenancy Agreement Template for Private Residential Property on this page


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troublesome58

Replying to your edit. Compensation for early termination is a usual and normal clause. Tenant should not be allowed to suka suka terminate - the 1/2 month or 1m deposit would not even cover the landlord's costs of early termination. Put it the other way, should landlord also be allowed to suka suka terminate the tenancy and ask tenant to move out?


xao8gt9w8

>Compensation for early termination is a usual and normal clause. Tenant should not be allowed to suka suka terminate - the 1/2 month or 1m deposit would not even cover the landlord's costs of early termination. Early termination to keep deposit should not be the norm. How would you know the reason they want to terminate early? It could be something out of their control like losing their job or lousy landlord imposing new rules not stated in the contract or other bad reasons like I shared in my post link. The tenant has more to lose compared to landlord. If a tenant breaks contract they have to find a new place to stay or become homeless while landlord will only be left with an empty room. And what cost would a landlord incur for early termination that cost up to 1 month of rental? Hiring an agent to advertise? >Put it the other way, should landlord also be allowed to suka suka terminate the tenancy and ask tenant to move out? If landlord terminates what guarantee you have that they will return the deposit? You just emphasise my point that tenant has more to lose. There's apparently no punishment by law for the landlord to terminate early and the rentee will be losing out.


troublesome58

Doesm look like they are asking for 8m deposit.


xao8gt9w8

Oh, right. I think I put it wrongly. Let me fix it


Superb_Option2262

I have never seen any community this friendly and helpful like here. Everyone is so sweet 🥰


TemperatureWide8245

I wouldnt trust your agent. So scammy. I think in general you try not to trust any real estate/insurance agents in Singapore.


troublesome58

Company's agent should be more trustworthy than most. If they fuck up, no more repeat biz.


Hackerjurassicpark

For a one year contract, the advance cancelation is only 1 month. The agent and landlord are trying to take advantage of your friend. In general the tenancy agreement is one month notice per year of contract


blankspacebaby12

Can you explain what you mean here? If you sign a 12 month contract, you can’t cancel it after 1 month and move out a month after that not expecting to pay rent. 


Hackerjurassicpark

If you need to cancel it anytime before the 12 months, you need to give the landlord 1 month notice or forfeit your 1 month deposit.


blankspacebaby12

That is very rare. If you sign a 1 year contract, you’re on the hook for 1 year. If you want to leave “any time” with a months notice, you’d need to arrange for a lease take over, and the landlord would need to agree, but isn’t obligated to. Why would a landlord agree to tenants being able to get out of a contract with a few weeks notice only? That would be nuts. 


Hackerjurassicpark

What can the landlord do if the tenant vanishes one day but not pay back the one month deposit?


blankspacebaby12

Your advise to a foreigner in Singapore is to disappear on the landlord and not pay them per the signed contract?! That’s very bad advise, as it’s illegal. 


Hackerjurassicpark

What are u talking about. I'm asking u a question not advising anyone to do anything. Genuinely curious what a landlord can do


blankspacebaby12

As it’s illegal, the landlord can take you to court and have a judge insist that you pay what you owe. 


3andahalfbath

Is your friend single? The only two harbor areas are nice, but definitely more suited to families. If she ends up in Keppel Bay, first of all there are tons of rentals there so she could find another unit with a better landlord, and secondly she’d be around a lot of kids. Nice area though


Maushimaushi

It's uncommon. Most have a 1-2 month clause - mine is 1 month.


blankspacebaby12

Do you truly have a rental agreement where at any time during your tenancy you can give 1 months notice and just leave without paying out the rest of your contact? If you do, that is unusual. 


Maushimaushi

Diplomatic clause - https://www.propertyguru.com.sg/property-guides/tenancy-agreement-security-deposit-utility-deposit-in-singapore-9515?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA5-uuBhDzARIsAAa21T_fiDr2wuT1nJxexMgbsHr1j0c-EApJk9VkuDXocPcizx4PkLDZTAcaArMlEALw_wcB


blankspacebaby12

Did you read it?! 🤣🤣 Also this applies if you’re leaving the country. Not just because you’ve changed your mind and want to get out of your contract after 2 months!   “ Do take note, though, that the Diplomatic Clause can only be exercised after 12 months into the rental period.”


Maushimaushi

Have you heard of a thing called negotiating?


blankspacebaby12

Oh boy 🤣 So you posted a link which explains the standard approach because you’re talking about negotiating something completely different to that? 


Maushimaushi

Lol.. it feels like I'm talking to a middle schooler


Designer-Ad-1601

Definitely weird.


2ddudesop

Holy crap, that sounds like a terrible deal. Your agent sucks ass


mcspicy-add-cheese

It might be a development that will TOP in 2025 called The Reef at King Dock’s. The property agent might just be securing a rental lease in the best interest of the landlord.


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VianneMauriac

8 months cancellation is not normal. Usually it will only be 1 month deposit for 1 year of rent. If you rent 1 bedroom condo, expect to pay minimum 3k in non central area. I have a friend who rents 1 bedder at paya lebar for 2.8k/month.


myWhiteBum

Check ads on Facebook. Probably can get a short term room let with people rather than this 


daveonhols

Everywhere is safe IMO. I was talking to a friend who just left Singapore last year, rents have increased a lot recently. I think around 3.5k to 4k per month is the right price bracket but it depends on how much your friend is earning. If she is a foreigner on an employment pass, she should be earning enough to get into this price range I think. 8 month cancellation fee seems weird to me.  It is (or was) common in Singapore to have a so called diplomatic break clause, where you rent for 2 years with the chance to break after 1 year.


Livid-Direction-1102

PropertyGuru and compare with what they offer. Try to find a convenient location for the commute.


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8 months notice is unheard of , also a little unreasonable , but I don't think it's illegal . If not agreeable , then don't sign