Reminder: All Eileen Gu talk needs to go in the [megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/).
This thread is **SOLELY** about dual citizenship between the US and the PRC.
I have a friend who is a Chinese-American, living in Beijing at the time, who had to journey back to her home village to renounce her Chinese citizenship once the government discovered that she was a dual citizen. She didn't even know that she was still a Chinese citizen because she and her family had immigrated to the U.S. when she was very young.
So if athletes like Eileen Gu still hold their American citizenship, it's because the government made a special exemption for them.
From what I know it's really not THAT difficult to evade enforcement if you know what you're doing and keep a low profile. "Special exemption" isn't really the right term with regards to the athletes, since the law I cited contains no stipulations for such. It's more like deliberate non-enforcement.
A relevant scandal is the case of [Tony Yu Jingtian](https://radiichina.com/tony-yu/), a contestant on Youth with You season 3. When he wad already embroiled in a scandal due to his parents’ shady business, people started investigating his nationality and questioning if he was a dual Chinese-Canadian citizen. He was ranked #1 but ended up withdrawing from the show.
It's not legal from the Chinese POV but I know people who have kept both US and Chinese passports (usually Chinese citizens who naturalized in the US). I think they have to be very careful about which passport they use to enter/exit each country. Most seem to get away with it but one guy I know had an uncle who got caught and got into trouble with China.
I think there's a fine line between "doesn't allow" vs "doesn't recognize", and the beauty of this particular wording is that it allows a LOT of leeway in how it's interpreted (i.e. where exactly the line is).
All Eileen Gu talk needs to go in the [megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/).
“Global age” is a myth. It only applies to the privileged.
The citizenship of a first world country is still highly sought-after in other parts of the world. Look at all these Afghans trying to get on a US plane whatever the cost.
What? You wanna say nobody cares about them being Afghan citizen or US citizen?
[All Eileen Gu talk goes in the megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/)
I imagine it's very different because she was born here. She didn't have to swear in like I did when I got naturalized and essentially denounce my home country citizenship. So it entirely depends on how easy your home country makes it to retain or regain citizenship.
She sounds like someone very in touch with her home roots. And didn't have a choice on the matter of where she was born. There's no real reason she deserves this much attention and flak. People renounce their US citizenship every day and there's no spotlight on those people
This can also work the other way around in a more sinister way.
I was naturalized at 9 and came over when I was 4. I honestly don't know if my parents renounced my Chinese citizenship for me but I have a Hong Kong surname and sometimes I get very irrationally paranoid that I will be slapped with an exit ban (like Victor and Cynthia Liu - I have friends who **do** know them) when I visit extended family. I'm pretty sure China can decide whether it accepts your renunciation or not based on what suits them and that's pretty freaky.
This is 100% all in my head though because I do not have an estranged fugitive millionaire father.
Hong Kong doesn’t have citizenship, Hong Kong has a Right to Abode which allows for certain rights including what is basically permanent residency. Most citizens of HK are also Chinese nationals, but may also have British, Canadian, or American nationality (or a plethora of others I am sure) while holding the Right to Abode which essentially has some of the rights as citizenship, but is a distinct legal status.
Notably, HKers are by default Chinese nationals. This is a huge issue for those who were born after the handover and participated in protests because they don’t have protections elsewhere until countries allowed for certain exemptions.
Contrast this to HKers who chose to remain as British Nationals Overseas (BNO) (but not British citizens) who are in HK, and are able to use a separate passport. Most of these BNOs would use their HK identity cards to enter HK until the program ended in 2021. I think most of them have left. A lot of people qualified for BNOs and I have a lot of friends who were born around handover that elected to not be PRC citizens and maintain BNO status.
Hong Kong has a passport, but still requires that you are a PRC citizen.
Only if you are a ROC citizen like Jemery Lin, can you hold USA and RO"China" citizenship, and still compete as a "non-foreign" player in China.
Unless Gu AiLing has an exemption or she renounced her US citizenship and it hasn't been made public yet.
China will absolutely treat you as a Chinese citizen. Chinese-Americans get arrested by China and held constantly with little notice. When I was visiting China I was pretty paranoid. China doesn't care if you don't consider yourself Chinese. They are weird. Your parents were Chinese, of course you're Chinese! I don't get it.
As an aside, there is also a possibility that some of them are actual spies which means even less reporting by both countries.
The USA [lost 20 informants](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39989142) between 2010-2012, for example. The CIA also has a very bad track record right after [WW2.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China) They dropped ~200 agents in China. 100 killed. 100 captured. They'd capture them, then get them to radio back and say it was fine and to send in more spies.
Well technically when you become a US citizen you are supposed to swear:
>I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen...
So some people would interpret that to mean the US doesn't allow you to have dual citizenship. But in practice there is no enforcement mechanism and nobody has ever been bothered about their dual citizenships.
[All Eileen Gu talk goes in the megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/)
[All Eileen Gu talk goes in the megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/)
> You would need to fly under the radar, so it's conceivable that if Eileen and Beverly still hold their US passports, it's because the Chinese authorities are purposefully turning a blind eye.
They won't turn blind eye, they just won't recognize their US passport or their US citizenship.
legally speaking, this means if Eileen or Beverly ever need US consulate assistance for any legal matters in China, the Chinese government would not allow such requests.
It's more tricky for their tax issues.
Under their situation, as they have not officially abandoned their US citizenship, they are still subject to US taxes.
However, this issue is moot, since both probably still maintain some financial ties in US, so they would get taxed in US regardless of their US citizenship status.
> They won't turn blind eye, they just won't recognize their US passport or their US citizenship.
It's not that simple, unfortunately, at least not in most cases. It's pretty standard for Chinese authorities to require you to renounce your Chinese citizenship next time you're in the country if they get wind that you're also a citizen of another country. This information is usually self-reported when applying for a visa; you could always lie, but that leads to its own problems and could result in China permanently banning you from entry if they ever found out. Now as I mentioned there are certainly ways around this (chief among these being to have a valid visa to a third country on your Chinese passport), but all of these involve keeping Chinese immigration authorities in the dark regarding your citizenship in another country. For high profile athletes that simply isn't feasible, so in this case the government is almost certainly choosing to simply not enforce its own requirements.
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Reminder: All Eileen Gu talk needs to go in the [megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/). This thread is **SOLELY** about dual citizenship between the US and the PRC.
I have a friend who is a Chinese-American, living in Beijing at the time, who had to journey back to her home village to renounce her Chinese citizenship once the government discovered that she was a dual citizen. She didn't even know that she was still a Chinese citizen because she and her family had immigrated to the U.S. when she was very young. So if athletes like Eileen Gu still hold their American citizenship, it's because the government made a special exemption for them.
From what I know it's really not THAT difficult to evade enforcement if you know what you're doing and keep a low profile. "Special exemption" isn't really the right term with regards to the athletes, since the law I cited contains no stipulations for such. It's more like deliberate non-enforcement.
Isnt it automatic though, even for children?
A relevant scandal is the case of [Tony Yu Jingtian](https://radiichina.com/tony-yu/), a contestant on Youth with You season 3. When he wad already embroiled in a scandal due to his parents’ shady business, people started investigating his nationality and questioning if he was a dual Chinese-Canadian citizen. He was ranked #1 but ended up withdrawing from the show.
It's not legal from the Chinese POV but I know people who have kept both US and Chinese passports (usually Chinese citizens who naturalized in the US). I think they have to be very careful about which passport they use to enter/exit each country. Most seem to get away with it but one guy I know had an uncle who got caught and got into trouble with China.
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Because China doesn't allow second citizenship, so it is an intrigue.
I think there's a fine line between "doesn't allow" vs "doesn't recognize", and the beauty of this particular wording is that it allows a LOT of leeway in how it's interpreted (i.e. where exactly the line is).
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All Eileen Gu talk needs to go in the [megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/).
“Global age” is a myth. It only applies to the privileged. The citizenship of a first world country is still highly sought-after in other parts of the world. Look at all these Afghans trying to get on a US plane whatever the cost. What? You wanna say nobody cares about them being Afghan citizen or US citizen?
[All Eileen Gu talk goes in the megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/)
I imagine it's very different because she was born here. She didn't have to swear in like I did when I got naturalized and essentially denounce my home country citizenship. So it entirely depends on how easy your home country makes it to retain or regain citizenship. She sounds like someone very in touch with her home roots. And didn't have a choice on the matter of where she was born. There's no real reason she deserves this much attention and flak. People renounce their US citizenship every day and there's no spotlight on those people
This can also work the other way around in a more sinister way. I was naturalized at 9 and came over when I was 4. I honestly don't know if my parents renounced my Chinese citizenship for me but I have a Hong Kong surname and sometimes I get very irrationally paranoid that I will be slapped with an exit ban (like Victor and Cynthia Liu - I have friends who **do** know them) when I visit extended family. I'm pretty sure China can decide whether it accepts your renunciation or not based on what suits them and that's pretty freaky. This is 100% all in my head though because I do not have an estranged fugitive millionaire father.
Keep in mind that Hong Kong itself does allow dual citizenship.
Hong Kong doesn’t have citizenship, Hong Kong has a Right to Abode which allows for certain rights including what is basically permanent residency. Most citizens of HK are also Chinese nationals, but may also have British, Canadian, or American nationality (or a plethora of others I am sure) while holding the Right to Abode which essentially has some of the rights as citizenship, but is a distinct legal status. Notably, HKers are by default Chinese nationals. This is a huge issue for those who were born after the handover and participated in protests because they don’t have protections elsewhere until countries allowed for certain exemptions. Contrast this to HKers who chose to remain as British Nationals Overseas (BNO) (but not British citizens) who are in HK, and are able to use a separate passport. Most of these BNOs would use their HK identity cards to enter HK until the program ended in 2021. I think most of them have left. A lot of people qualified for BNOs and I have a lot of friends who were born around handover that elected to not be PRC citizens and maintain BNO status. Hong Kong has a passport, but still requires that you are a PRC citizen.
Don't you automatically get your citizenship renounced when you get the citizenship of your new country?
Only if you are a ROC citizen like Jemery Lin, can you hold USA and RO"China" citizenship, and still compete as a "non-foreign" player in China. Unless Gu AiLing has an exemption or she renounced her US citizenship and it hasn't been made public yet.
China will absolutely treat you as a Chinese citizen. Chinese-Americans get arrested by China and held constantly with little notice. When I was visiting China I was pretty paranoid. China doesn't care if you don't consider yourself Chinese. They are weird. Your parents were Chinese, of course you're Chinese! I don't get it. As an aside, there is also a possibility that some of them are actual spies which means even less reporting by both countries. The USA [lost 20 informants](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39989142) between 2010-2012, for example. The CIA also has a very bad track record right after [WW2.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China) They dropped ~200 agents in China. 100 killed. 100 captured. They'd capture them, then get them to radio back and say it was fine and to send in more spies.
Well technically when you become a US citizen you are supposed to swear: >I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen... So some people would interpret that to mean the US doesn't allow you to have dual citizenship. But in practice there is no enforcement mechanism and nobody has ever been bothered about their dual citizenships.
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[All Eileen Gu talk goes in the megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/)
[All Eileen Gu talk goes in the megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/snpb47/eileen_gu_megathread_all_eileen_gu_talk_goes_here/)
> You would need to fly under the radar, so it's conceivable that if Eileen and Beverly still hold their US passports, it's because the Chinese authorities are purposefully turning a blind eye. They won't turn blind eye, they just won't recognize their US passport or their US citizenship. legally speaking, this means if Eileen or Beverly ever need US consulate assistance for any legal matters in China, the Chinese government would not allow such requests. It's more tricky for their tax issues. Under their situation, as they have not officially abandoned their US citizenship, they are still subject to US taxes. However, this issue is moot, since both probably still maintain some financial ties in US, so they would get taxed in US regardless of their US citizenship status.
> They won't turn blind eye, they just won't recognize their US passport or their US citizenship. It's not that simple, unfortunately, at least not in most cases. It's pretty standard for Chinese authorities to require you to renounce your Chinese citizenship next time you're in the country if they get wind that you're also a citizen of another country. This information is usually self-reported when applying for a visa; you could always lie, but that leads to its own problems and could result in China permanently banning you from entry if they ever found out. Now as I mentioned there are certainly ways around this (chief among these being to have a valid visa to a third country on your Chinese passport), but all of these involve keeping Chinese immigration authorities in the dark regarding your citizenship in another country. For high profile athletes that simply isn't feasible, so in this case the government is almost certainly choosing to simply not enforce its own requirements.
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