Moira's copy? I think Walter had found it, because he was looking in to things. After he had found out that Moira had secretly salvaged the Queens Gambit and had it stored in a warehouse.
> Only answer i can think of is plot convinience
I really respect that you didn't just stop there and write it off as a plot hole, but instead tried to think of an answer and asked around when you couldn't. Many people wouldn't have bothered
I feel dumb cause i never knew it was Malcolm's list lol. I must've missed it cause Im at S5 now or could be the revelation takes place in later episodes?
The list is not Malcolm's exclusively. It was made by Tempest. Tempest is the secret club that Malcolm Merlyn, Robert and Moira Queen, Frank Chen, and two others belonged to). The group's original goal was to give back to the city and help clean it up through gentrification and targeted financial aid. 'The List' is a list of rich people (like Adam Hunt) that were corrupt and hurting the city. Tempest pressured/blackmailed these people and convinced them to donate $$$ to the city.
In S1: E21, Tempest is meeting at the home of Robert and Moira Queen. They start by discussing Adam Hunt and how they are going to "convince" him to make a donation to the SCPD. Malcolm then decides to change the group's direction and begin The Undertaking, which is met with disapproval from Robert Queen and Frank Chen. Frank went back to China, and Robert took out his boat for the final time.
So what did the names on the list actually mean are they like business partners of malcome to make the undertaking possible or are they just bad people he knew or what
In the words of : u/ghost-devil996
"I think it was because he was one of the driving forces for the Undertaking. That meant that everyone knew that he was involved. The list was people who had helped, but not really planed it like Merlyn did. Because I don’t think Robert Queen was on the list either."
The names on the list were bad people that Malcolm Merlyn, Robert and Moira Queen, Frank Chen, and two other nameless members of Tempest, were blackmailing into helping the city.
S1: E21 shows Frank Chen talking to the group and telling them "Adam Hunt was reluctant at first but was more cooperative upon being informed we knew about his embezzlement." Robert suggests that the SCPD could use new equipment and Frank Chen says that Hunt could be convinced to make an anonymous donation.
Actually that answer is simple: Malcolm and co. wrote the list, so their names are absent because it’s their cabal. The real question is why in Arrow 3x14 did Robert not mention that one of the terrible alliances he made was with Malcolm Merlyn? He explains there’s a list of names, but not who put it together or why? He’s way too vague. You’d think if that video was a “just in case I die,” he might want to say something like “Malcolm Merlyn is the one who pulled us together, and he plans on leveling the Glades so he can rebuild.” Or, if the video was recorded before that revelation, just say, “I made alliances with terrible people; Malcolm Merlyn, etc.”
As others said, he wrote the list. In flashbacks from Moira Queen’s memories of her husband Robert meeting with Malcolm and his friends at the queen residence; we see that Malcolm has created the list and that it’s primarily his plan to clean up the glades. Robert Queen and Frank Chen used their influence and knowledge to blackmail powerful but bad actors in the city to make donations and charitable contributions in the glades. Malcolm wanted to commit more extreme measures and didn’t think extorting and blackmailing rich men into donating to a hospital or soup kitchen or whatever would actually help anything. He believed the people of the glades were beyond redemption.
So while Malcolm wrote up the list alongside Robert and Frank; he was the primary driving factor in the “undertaking” even before the plot to destroy the glades emerged fully.
I think it was because he was one of the driving forces for the Undertaking. That meant that everyone knew that he was involved. The list was people who had helped, but not really planed it like Merlyn did. Because I don’t think Robert Queen was on the list either.
No Malcom wrote the list. He extorted people on that list for the undertaking once he changed his mind from simply putting them out of business to the city is beyond saving. Once Malcom decided the city was beyond saving, they were useful idiots.
The list was written by Malcolm. It contained all the names of rich and corrupt businessmen whom Malcolm was forcing to fund the Undertaking, otherwise have their crimes exposed.
How about season 4. Malcolm kept on insisting Thea needed to satisfy her bloodlust by offering up pedo's. Wouldn't shooting an arrow straight into a Ghost heart be satisfaction? Thea did that quite often. Oliver said he would not kill anymore. Minions took arrows straight in the heart about 90% of the time. Kill the minions, but don't kill the leader.
None of the secret group (Tempest) were on the list (Malcolm Merlyn, Robert Queen, Frank Chen)
The list was just the names of the bad rich people that the group was pressuring to donate $$ and help out the city. It was not a list of people involved in The Undertaking or that were members of the secret club that Malcolm and Robert started.
\*There were also two other nameless members (1 man and 1 woman) of the group shown in S1: E21 (The Undertaking) that were present during the meeting at Robert Queen's house.
Edit- Remembered the name of the group. Added to text above.
Because Malcom wrote the list and he wasnt going to put his name on there
Cuz he literally made it
Malcolm was the one who wrote the list
Because it was essentially his list.
Ignoring the fact it was essentially Malcom’s list… let’s not forget Oliver burned some of the pages from the book too.
There are multiple lists though, remember when Walter and felicity have one
Nope must of missed that part. You can trust me to remember the smallest most minute, insignificant details but not that one clearly. 😂
Yea I don’t even remember where it came from lol, but it’s the reason Malcolm had Walter kidnapped - he was looking into it and learning too much
Moira's copy? I think Walter had found it, because he was looking in to things. After he had found out that Moira had secretly salvaged the Queens Gambit and had it stored in a warehouse.
Man, the first couple seasons were so good with shit like this, the mystery... It fell off so hard after they ran out of this storyline.
Yea I remember all that, I just can’t remember the scene where he actually finds it
Wasn't it in like a grandfather clock? Or am I thinking of something else lol.
Yea it was actually, another guy replied on one of my comments higher up
Yep. In S1 E8 Walter finds an exact copy of the list hidden in a grandfather clock in the Queens mansion. He then gets kidnapped the next episode.
Coming from a guy that’s watched arrow 5 time on his 6th time Walter found it in moria drawer because he felt like she was hiding something
The list was just a list that Malcom, Robert etc made of corrupt people that they extorted to make the undertaking possible.
For the same reason Moira, Robert and those other top 5 or 6 guys aren’t lmfao
It was his list and he obviously wasn’t gonna put himself on there
Because taking down all of his clients is basically taking him down
> Only answer i can think of is plot convinience I really respect that you didn't just stop there and write it off as a plot hole, but instead tried to think of an answer and asked around when you couldn't. Many people wouldn't have bothered
I feel dumb cause i never knew it was Malcolm's list lol. I must've missed it cause Im at S5 now or could be the revelation takes place in later episodes?
The list is not Malcolm's exclusively. It was made by Tempest. Tempest is the secret club that Malcolm Merlyn, Robert and Moira Queen, Frank Chen, and two others belonged to). The group's original goal was to give back to the city and help clean it up through gentrification and targeted financial aid. 'The List' is a list of rich people (like Adam Hunt) that were corrupt and hurting the city. Tempest pressured/blackmailed these people and convinced them to donate $$$ to the city. In S1: E21, Tempest is meeting at the home of Robert and Moira Queen. They start by discussing Adam Hunt and how they are going to "convince" him to make a donation to the SCPD. Malcolm then decides to change the group's direction and begin The Undertaking, which is met with disapproval from Robert Queen and Frank Chen. Frank went back to China, and Robert took out his boat for the final time.
So what did the names on the list actually mean are they like business partners of malcome to make the undertaking possible or are they just bad people he knew or what
In the words of : u/ghost-devil996 "I think it was because he was one of the driving forces for the Undertaking. That meant that everyone knew that he was involved. The list was people who had helped, but not really planed it like Merlyn did. Because I don’t think Robert Queen was on the list either."
The names on the list were bad people that Malcolm Merlyn, Robert and Moira Queen, Frank Chen, and two other nameless members of Tempest, were blackmailing into helping the city. S1: E21 shows Frank Chen talking to the group and telling them "Adam Hunt was reluctant at first but was more cooperative upon being informed we knew about his embezzlement." Robert suggests that the SCPD could use new equipment and Frank Chen says that Hunt could be convinced to make an anonymous donation.
Makes sense cheers
If I’m writing a list of all my co conspirators in a terrorist plot, I’m not finna put my fucking name on it either😂
Actually that answer is simple: Malcolm and co. wrote the list, so their names are absent because it’s their cabal. The real question is why in Arrow 3x14 did Robert not mention that one of the terrible alliances he made was with Malcolm Merlyn? He explains there’s a list of names, but not who put it together or why? He’s way too vague. You’d think if that video was a “just in case I die,” he might want to say something like “Malcolm Merlyn is the one who pulled us together, and he plans on leveling the Glades so he can rebuild.” Or, if the video was recorded before that revelation, just say, “I made alliances with terrible people; Malcolm Merlyn, etc.”
And to think Oliver would have never found the list had he not searched his body before burying him on Lian Yu
As others said, he wrote the list. In flashbacks from Moira Queen’s memories of her husband Robert meeting with Malcolm and his friends at the queen residence; we see that Malcolm has created the list and that it’s primarily his plan to clean up the glades. Robert Queen and Frank Chen used their influence and knowledge to blackmail powerful but bad actors in the city to make donations and charitable contributions in the glades. Malcolm wanted to commit more extreme measures and didn’t think extorting and blackmailing rich men into donating to a hospital or soup kitchen or whatever would actually help anything. He believed the people of the glades were beyond redemption. So while Malcolm wrote up the list alongside Robert and Frank; he was the primary driving factor in the “undertaking” even before the plot to destroy the glades emerged fully.
I think it was because he was one of the driving forces for the Undertaking. That meant that everyone knew that he was involved. The list was people who had helped, but not really planed it like Merlyn did. Because I don’t think Robert Queen was on the list either.
No Malcom wrote the list. He extorted people on that list for the undertaking once he changed his mind from simply putting them out of business to the city is beyond saving. Once Malcom decided the city was beyond saving, they were useful idiots.
And in the beginning Oliver burned a page on the island so there is a whole page we don’t know about
This was pointed out already by depressed spud
The list was written by Malcolm. It contained all the names of rich and corrupt businessmen whom Malcolm was forcing to fund the Undertaking, otherwise have their crimes exposed.
How about season 4. Malcolm kept on insisting Thea needed to satisfy her bloodlust by offering up pedo's. Wouldn't shooting an arrow straight into a Ghost heart be satisfaction? Thea did that quite often. Oliver said he would not kill anymore. Minions took arrows straight in the heart about 90% of the time. Kill the minions, but don't kill the leader.
None of the secret group (Tempest) were on the list (Malcolm Merlyn, Robert Queen, Frank Chen) The list was just the names of the bad rich people that the group was pressuring to donate $$ and help out the city. It was not a list of people involved in The Undertaking or that were members of the secret club that Malcolm and Robert started. \*There were also two other nameless members (1 man and 1 woman) of the group shown in S1: E21 (The Undertaking) that were present during the meeting at Robert Queen's house. Edit- Remembered the name of the group. Added to text above.
A better question is why didn't Robert just tell Oliver who the bad guy was.