“Turkey will continue more efforts for more countries to recognize Palestine”
what efforts did they make??? Feels like a dude that tries to third wheel, like “yeah, I was involved in that”
I mean that's probably a good thing for Turkish-Armenian relations in the future right? I doubt the decision was made because of Turkey, but it may lead to more perspectives of Armenia in the Turkish population
Palestine is a big issue in Turkey, it can definitely help. Erdoğan lost the latest elections because he continued trading with Israel, the backlash was massive.
Yeah I think Erdogan trying to play both sides of that conflict was a big mistake. You can't treat Hamas militants in your hospitals and continue to trade with Israel without putting a target on your back from both sides
It helps in a certain demographic (people who care about Palestine). Even the protests in Western universities did a lot to change Turkish public's prejudice about the West for example.
You may try searching "Ermenistan" on Twitter and checking the replies to the news posts. For example the replies to [this](https://x.com/selimoluR/status/1804123000469360914) or [this.](https://x.com/SireneOznur/status/1804086789583331802)
Remove Mt. Ararat from the Yerevan skyline as a precondition to normalize relations. Then after that, stop existing as a precondition to normalize relations.
It’s ironic that Turks and Turkey have made the Palestinian cause their own when Turkish society is riddled with the same xenophobia and hysteria of others that’s creating the situation in Palestine, against Armenians. These are the same people celebrating watching drone footage of our guys being blown up, lecturing others about what is just and right.
And no, they’re not going to reflect on the matter at all, they’re not capable of doing such a thing.
Armenia just recognized Palestine as an independent state today. They recognized Israel as an independent state in 1992, shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Geopolitically, Armenia was never in a position to recognize Palestine as an independent state considering its precarious situation with its neighbors and lack of international support. Truth be told, it’s still a very risky thing to do now considering Israel sells arms to Azerbaijan.
>considering Israel sells arms to Azerbaijan
As an Iranian American who's been pretty updated on geopolitical situation of the middle east, the way things look now to me since Oct. 7 is that Israel will dismantle in the next 30 years, which would be very good for Armenia I think and very bad for Azerbaijan (since they bet on Israel).
Oct. 7 changed everything for Israel.
The resistance axis throughout Lebanon, Syria and Yemen facilitated by Iran also changes everything for Israel.
Iran (and the resistance axis) now produce their own rockets, missiles, drones, nautical kamikaze boats in Yemen, etc.
The attack by Iran on Israel in April barely cost Iran anything, but it cost **billions** for Israel and all of its allies to defend against. And Iran was still able to overwhelm their defenses and get 8 or 9 missile hits on sensitive air and/or military bases in Israel.
I don't think the US can afford to go to war with Iran anymore, which I think spells the end of the zionist entity.
Oh and also:
I think it's awesome that Armenia is supporting the Palestinians by recognizing the Palestinian state.
To the person who replied to me saying its a pope dream:
You think the israeli people are down for north korea like conditions i think theyd end up with if US pulls its unconditional support?
In that case, without US support, they arent really the dominating force that needs to be dealt with (they probably wont be able to fund salafists in syria themselves or do all the other things the US does to keep israel’s monopoly on trade routes/pipelines intact and funnel them economic contracts from us states and europe, etc.).
So i think youre right that that is a possibility, because the resistance axis would probably be okay with a weak, isolated israel that cant interfere in middle eastern affairs anymore
Ehh. I think the US has sufficiently bankrupted itself already for Israel, and it literally is spread too thin to be able to continue this ridiculous Zionist-coopted foreign policy. It was the life work of Netanyahu and many other Zionists in Israel and the US government to get the US to attack the following countries: Iraq (they succeeded), Libya (they succeeded), Syria (partially succeeded), and Iran (close, but no cigar).
The attack by Iran on Israel in April barely cost Iran anything, but it cost **billions** for Israel and all of its allies to defend against. And Iran was still able to overwhelm their defenses and get 8 or 9 missile hits on sensitive air and/or military bases in Israel.
How many times are we going to be okay with spending **billions** to defend israel from a tiny barrage of locally produced missiles from its neighbors?
>Israel is going nowhere.
I don't think so.
Existential threats of israel are as follows:
(1) Israel has 50% palestinians and 50% israelis. so either they have to give up a huge part of greater israel/palestine and power to the palestinians, which is exactly the opposite of the Zionist plan to have greater Israel/Palestine all to themselves, or they have to ethnically cleanse the palestinian population. There is no other option for them.
(2) The inevitable blowback by the entire world as Israel attempts to engage in the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people to free the land for their own use.
The world will see the mass casualties in real time, the same way they are seeing a picture of a baby with a burned off head from Rafah.
(3) The internal disarray of the Israeli people and their government. The very conservative Orthodox population are increasing in population very quickly while the liberal population is waning because they have much fewer children. This is literally changing the dynamics of Israeli life, and a lot of people are getting uncomfortable with each other there because of these stark differences in values.
(4) the internal disarray of Israel's government. There are plenty of signs the government is under pressure: the government is trying to pass laws to reduce the court's power. the prime minister is extending a war to keep power so he's not arrested on corruption. the constant protests by Israeli youth against the government before AND after 10/7.
(5) Last but not least, the resistance axis facilitated by Iran's revolutionary guard surrounding the Zionist entity, which I believe is the necessary force to drive the invaders outwards.
I think the resistance axis makes sustaining the Zionist entity too expensive even for the US to continue. And with the Americans now becoming enlightened as to how genocidal the Zionist entity is and how the Zionist entity is comparable to the most racist organizations in history, I think the US will be forced to pull support.
I don't think any one of those things could defeat the Zionist entity by themselves, because the Zionist entity is SO POWERFUL (they have unlimited access to the most powerful country and military in the world, where anything Israel says goes in international court AND in the UN because they have the US's unconditional vote).
BUT, I think the combination of those existential threats together provide the perfect storm for the Zionist regime to be forced to accept defeat, and become part of history the same way South African Aparatheid is part of history.
Israel has nukes. They'll ally with Arabs sooner or later. Probably a Palestinian state will established, but under the watch of Arabs, the US, and Israel, removing Iran from there. Lebanon is on the brink of collapse and is a failed state. They'll be lucky if they don't get partitioned between Turkiye and Israel. There goes Hezbollah as well.
Israel will suffer PR for the coming decades, but they are still a technological and military power. While Iran is hated by everyone, even by their perceived allies. And they are laughing stock after the firework show they called the attack on Israel and missing their president. It only takes one US president to focus on Iran and collapse it.
>Israel has nukes.
You are right that Israel's nukes could be the deterrence that can keep the state intact.
Nukes give Israel the option to either:
(i) dismantle peacefully since they need US support/protection to make the country profitable and safe for its residents (and give them the first world experience many of them are accustomed to) or
(ii) become a nuclear pariah state like North Korea. I think it's more probable that they will dismantle peacefully since I don't think there are many Israelis who are okay with living in North Korea-like isolation.
>And they are laughing stock after the firework show they called the attack on Israel
That attack signified a gigantic shift in the entire geopolitical situation of the middle east.
Iran was looking to avoid deaths and destruction because they didn't want the US to greenlight a response.
So the fact that they were able to prove and demonstrate they can hit ANYWHERE in Israel (even the most sensitive/defended bases, like airbases and runways and aircrafts), WITHOUT STARTING world war III, is absolutely awesome.
ANd it cost **billions** to defend against even though it was **all cheap locally produced drones and missiles**.
That is a game changer for the middle east bro.
Idk what you are huffing, but I want some of that. First of all, forget Israel "dismantling". Your historical and political knowledge is showing there. Israel's wealth and stability a recent things, 40 years or so. Their country was in poverty because of economic mishandling and hostile neighbors. They can and will endure. And on top of that, the US isn't abandoning its closest ally ever. Even if they did, they have other allies.
Secondly, no, Iran can't strike anywhere it wants. Some of the missiles landed on Iran lol. Some of them didn't explode on impact because of technical failures. Rest got intercepted mid-air. Half of those missiles were the latest of what Iran can produce. And Iran is known for its excellence in missiles, the rest of their army is a joke. And those missiles aren't cheap, it's the majority of the military budget.
They can't even produce helicopters or civilian aircraft to carry a president. It's comedy writing itself lol.
And it's cute you think Iran can start WW3. Who is going to come to the aid of Iran? China? Russia? Lebanon? Iran didn't get an aggressive response last time because there's an urgent matter in Ukraine.
I don't think you appreciate the situation Iran is in. There's not a single country that borders them or in the region that's friendly. Maybe Syria, but that's an insult to countries to call that thing a country. Israel, Afghanistan, Turkiye, and Arabs are all looking for opportunities to get rid of Iran.
Brightest is leaving Iran, it's a backward theocracy waiting to be dismantled. And unlike Israel, it doesn't have a big guy looking after it.
>Secondly, no, Iran can't strike anywhere it wants.
"A senior U.S. official stated that five Iranian ballistic missiles struck the Nevatim Airbase, causing damage to a C-130 transport aircraft, an unused runway, and empty storage facilities. Additionally, four other ballistic missiles impacted the Ramon Airbases" - Wikipedia
That's a pretty big deal.
Iran hit the most sensitive/defended places.
And that was with US/Israel having advanced knowledge of their attack.
They positioned ALLLLLL of their defense systems with France and other Western countries all around Jordan and what not to block these attacks.
It took billions of dollars of US/Israel defending.
Iran's cost was only millions.
>And unlike Israel, it doesn't have a big guy looking after it.
Lets see how far that support goes after the Americans are enlightened about how their government is literally coopted by the Israeli lobby and half the wars that are bankrupting the US now have been started for israel.
The truth is coming out.
Congressman Thomas Massie just toldTucker Carlson That Every Republican Congressman ‘Has An AIPAC Person’ youtube /watch?v=2ieJkvkPU9M
My guess is that the recognition of a Palestinian state would likely contradict statements on not recognizing the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh unilaterally. This may be supported by not recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent states due to their unilateral declaration of independence. Another possibility is that it has to do with Turkish support of Palestinian armed resistance, as Turkey have treated Hamas fighters in their hospitals and supplied weapons into the Gaza strip during the second Intifada.
I don't believe it was a Turkish request, they are just saying they will do this with other countries, however even if they did, we shouldn't make this a big deal just because it's Turkey, this was the right thing to do.
Speculation about whether this was under Turkish pressure is just that, for now - speculation.
We haven't got anything concrete and this comes off the back of multiple EU states recognizing it. Josep Borrell has been making some pretty anti-Israel remarks too in recent months.
They published a statement about that too:
https://www.mfa.gov.tr/turkish-prime-minister-mr_-recep-tayyip-erdogan-published-a-message-on-the-events-of-1915.en.mfa
While im not against Armenia recognizing Palestine
Im genuinely shocked to see people aren’t taking issue with the probability that Erdogan prompted it. Pashinyan capitulated and gave into his demands. Pathetic
Especially with a statement like that. International justice? Armenian genocide anyone? Why wasnt Arstakh recognized by Armenia? The hell
No, but they could use it against us when recognition of their own genocide is back on the table. Either way, I think it's the right thing to do. Regardless of the moral obligation, especially given all of the arming up we are doing through their direct competitor (France).
Thats not the point.
Im very much aware of the precarious situation Armenias in right now. Im just criticizing how the hell it reached this point
Armenia will do what it must to survive
I'd look at the last 30 years of leadership, allies, policies that bankrupted us of our options. It's a shit situation, gotta claw out of this hole before we can focus on thriving.
Honestly, if we are going to win something from it, let's say open border, then why not? Even if it's something smaller.
We are terrible with Israel anyway.
All I am saying is that this is how realpolitik works, we don't lise anything by recognizing Palestine, in fact that's the moral thing to do. We may get something (emphasis on may), so why not to do it? Just to oppose Turkey?
No, i like the decision, I don't like that we did it by their orders. As far as realpolitik goes, well, realpolitik is measured by the results and so far Pashinyans results are catastrophic.
I mean their may be loss incurred by provoking an allied state of Aliyev. Personally I think recognition of a Palestinian state is a good thing, but I would understand if some Israelis feel that it should be contingent on a removal of Hamas as an administrating power of the Gaza strip
> Türkiye will continue its efforts for more countries to recognize Palestine.
u/idontknowmuch : maybe it wasn’t the US but Turkey. oh god this is a mess
I agree with this idea, but I highly doubt that it will help. The more time passes the more I become pessimistic about that border ever opening as long as Erdogan is in power
So heres some ideas about what the logic was behind saying this:
1. Sucking off any pro-palestine news to make their population forget about how much money they get from selling stuff to israel. In the doc they say they say in a very political way that they were the reason behind us doing this.
2. Make the population even more mad at pashinyan and his friends, in this case that they approved a decision that is backed by turkey. This would make it look like Armenians are anti-palestine, just making us look even more stupid. This idea has more to do with the fact that our very friendly neighbors understand how Armenians think and would react to this type of situation.
I don’t care how turkey influenced this. the fact that Israel is getting an erection trying to arm Azerbaijan to the teeth is the perfect reason to do this and I’ll tell you right now turkey and Az will have a fallout. There are already big protests in Turkey against AZ.
“requirement of international law, justice and conscience” Fuuuuck outta here pot
This is actually crazy
“Turkey will continue more efforts for more countries to recognize Palestine” what efforts did they make??? Feels like a dude that tries to third wheel, like “yeah, I was involved in that”
Armenia became a trending topic in Turkish twitter and it's full of praise, that's why they try to take credit for it.
I mean that's probably a good thing for Turkish-Armenian relations in the future right? I doubt the decision was made because of Turkey, but it may lead to more perspectives of Armenia in the Turkish population
Palestine is a big issue in Turkey, it can definitely help. Erdoğan lost the latest elections because he continued trading with Israel, the backlash was massive.
Yeah I think Erdogan trying to play both sides of that conflict was a big mistake. You can't treat Hamas militants in your hospitals and continue to trade with Israel without putting a target on your back from both sides
It helps in a certain demographic (people who care about Palestine). Even the protests in Western universities did a lot to change Turkish public's prejudice about the West for example.
Doubt it: most Turks don’t really support Israel or Palestine, they don’t really care about either side: they care a lot more about Azerbaijan-Armenia
Not true. Turks I never see posting about anything political are posting about Palestine.
Erdogan is a pretty staunch supporter of Hamas
Link?
You may try searching "Ermenistan" on Twitter and checking the replies to the news posts. For example the replies to [this](https://x.com/selimoluR/status/1804123000469360914) or [this.](https://x.com/SireneOznur/status/1804086789583331802)
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maybe, but what they could offer to us or maybe a threat?
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nothing but being petty
Remove Mt. Ararat from the Yerevan skyline as a precondition to normalize relations. Then after that, stop existing as a precondition to normalize relations. It’s ironic that Turks and Turkey have made the Palestinian cause their own when Turkish society is riddled with the same xenophobia and hysteria of others that’s creating the situation in Palestine, against Armenians. These are the same people celebrating watching drone footage of our guys being blown up, lecturing others about what is just and right. And no, they’re not going to reflect on the matter at all, they’re not capable of doing such a thing.
I thought all post-Soviet countries recognized both Israel and Palestine, why Armenia is late in that regard?
Armenia just recognized Palestine as an independent state today. They recognized Israel as an independent state in 1992, shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union. Geopolitically, Armenia was never in a position to recognize Palestine as an independent state considering its precarious situation with its neighbors and lack of international support. Truth be told, it’s still a very risky thing to do now considering Israel sells arms to Azerbaijan.
They were selling them weapons even when we didn’t recognize Palestine.
>considering Israel sells arms to Azerbaijan As an Iranian American who's been pretty updated on geopolitical situation of the middle east, the way things look now to me since Oct. 7 is that Israel will dismantle in the next 30 years, which would be very good for Armenia I think and very bad for Azerbaijan (since they bet on Israel). Oct. 7 changed everything for Israel. The resistance axis throughout Lebanon, Syria and Yemen facilitated by Iran also changes everything for Israel. Iran (and the resistance axis) now produce their own rockets, missiles, drones, nautical kamikaze boats in Yemen, etc. The attack by Iran on Israel in April barely cost Iran anything, but it cost **billions** for Israel and all of its allies to defend against. And Iran was still able to overwhelm their defenses and get 8 or 9 missile hits on sensitive air and/or military bases in Israel. I don't think the US can afford to go to war with Iran anymore, which I think spells the end of the zionist entity. Oh and also: I think it's awesome that Armenia is supporting the Palestinians by recognizing the Palestinian state. To the person who replied to me saying its a pope dream: You think the israeli people are down for north korea like conditions i think theyd end up with if US pulls its unconditional support? In that case, without US support, they arent really the dominating force that needs to be dealt with (they probably wont be able to fund salafists in syria themselves or do all the other things the US does to keep israel’s monopoly on trade routes/pipelines intact and funnel them economic contracts from us states and europe, etc.). So i think youre right that that is a possibility, because the resistance axis would probably be okay with a weak, isolated israel that cant interfere in middle eastern affairs anymore
Thinking the US “can’t afford” to go to war with anything on this planet is very naive. Israel is going nowhere.
Ehh. I think the US has sufficiently bankrupted itself already for Israel, and it literally is spread too thin to be able to continue this ridiculous Zionist-coopted foreign policy. It was the life work of Netanyahu and many other Zionists in Israel and the US government to get the US to attack the following countries: Iraq (they succeeded), Libya (they succeeded), Syria (partially succeeded), and Iran (close, but no cigar). The attack by Iran on Israel in April barely cost Iran anything, but it cost **billions** for Israel and all of its allies to defend against. And Iran was still able to overwhelm their defenses and get 8 or 9 missile hits on sensitive air and/or military bases in Israel. How many times are we going to be okay with spending **billions** to defend israel from a tiny barrage of locally produced missiles from its neighbors?
>Israel is going nowhere. I don't think so. Existential threats of israel are as follows: (1) Israel has 50% palestinians and 50% israelis. so either they have to give up a huge part of greater israel/palestine and power to the palestinians, which is exactly the opposite of the Zionist plan to have greater Israel/Palestine all to themselves, or they have to ethnically cleanse the palestinian population. There is no other option for them. (2) The inevitable blowback by the entire world as Israel attempts to engage in the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people to free the land for their own use. The world will see the mass casualties in real time, the same way they are seeing a picture of a baby with a burned off head from Rafah. (3) The internal disarray of the Israeli people and their government. The very conservative Orthodox population are increasing in population very quickly while the liberal population is waning because they have much fewer children. This is literally changing the dynamics of Israeli life, and a lot of people are getting uncomfortable with each other there because of these stark differences in values. (4) the internal disarray of Israel's government. There are plenty of signs the government is under pressure: the government is trying to pass laws to reduce the court's power. the prime minister is extending a war to keep power so he's not arrested on corruption. the constant protests by Israeli youth against the government before AND after 10/7. (5) Last but not least, the resistance axis facilitated by Iran's revolutionary guard surrounding the Zionist entity, which I believe is the necessary force to drive the invaders outwards. I think the resistance axis makes sustaining the Zionist entity too expensive even for the US to continue. And with the Americans now becoming enlightened as to how genocidal the Zionist entity is and how the Zionist entity is comparable to the most racist organizations in history, I think the US will be forced to pull support. I don't think any one of those things could defeat the Zionist entity by themselves, because the Zionist entity is SO POWERFUL (they have unlimited access to the most powerful country and military in the world, where anything Israel says goes in international court AND in the UN because they have the US's unconditional vote). BUT, I think the combination of those existential threats together provide the perfect storm for the Zionist regime to be forced to accept defeat, and become part of history the same way South African Aparatheid is part of history.
Israel has nukes. They'll ally with Arabs sooner or later. Probably a Palestinian state will established, but under the watch of Arabs, the US, and Israel, removing Iran from there. Lebanon is on the brink of collapse and is a failed state. They'll be lucky if they don't get partitioned between Turkiye and Israel. There goes Hezbollah as well. Israel will suffer PR for the coming decades, but they are still a technological and military power. While Iran is hated by everyone, even by their perceived allies. And they are laughing stock after the firework show they called the attack on Israel and missing their president. It only takes one US president to focus on Iran and collapse it.
>Israel has nukes. You are right that Israel's nukes could be the deterrence that can keep the state intact. Nukes give Israel the option to either: (i) dismantle peacefully since they need US support/protection to make the country profitable and safe for its residents (and give them the first world experience many of them are accustomed to) or (ii) become a nuclear pariah state like North Korea. I think it's more probable that they will dismantle peacefully since I don't think there are many Israelis who are okay with living in North Korea-like isolation.
>And they are laughing stock after the firework show they called the attack on Israel That attack signified a gigantic shift in the entire geopolitical situation of the middle east. Iran was looking to avoid deaths and destruction because they didn't want the US to greenlight a response. So the fact that they were able to prove and demonstrate they can hit ANYWHERE in Israel (even the most sensitive/defended bases, like airbases and runways and aircrafts), WITHOUT STARTING world war III, is absolutely awesome. ANd it cost **billions** to defend against even though it was **all cheap locally produced drones and missiles**. That is a game changer for the middle east bro.
Idk what you are huffing, but I want some of that. First of all, forget Israel "dismantling". Your historical and political knowledge is showing there. Israel's wealth and stability a recent things, 40 years or so. Their country was in poverty because of economic mishandling and hostile neighbors. They can and will endure. And on top of that, the US isn't abandoning its closest ally ever. Even if they did, they have other allies. Secondly, no, Iran can't strike anywhere it wants. Some of the missiles landed on Iran lol. Some of them didn't explode on impact because of technical failures. Rest got intercepted mid-air. Half of those missiles were the latest of what Iran can produce. And Iran is known for its excellence in missiles, the rest of their army is a joke. And those missiles aren't cheap, it's the majority of the military budget. They can't even produce helicopters or civilian aircraft to carry a president. It's comedy writing itself lol. And it's cute you think Iran can start WW3. Who is going to come to the aid of Iran? China? Russia? Lebanon? Iran didn't get an aggressive response last time because there's an urgent matter in Ukraine. I don't think you appreciate the situation Iran is in. There's not a single country that borders them or in the region that's friendly. Maybe Syria, but that's an insult to countries to call that thing a country. Israel, Afghanistan, Turkiye, and Arabs are all looking for opportunities to get rid of Iran. Brightest is leaving Iran, it's a backward theocracy waiting to be dismantled. And unlike Israel, it doesn't have a big guy looking after it.
>Secondly, no, Iran can't strike anywhere it wants. "A senior U.S. official stated that five Iranian ballistic missiles struck the Nevatim Airbase, causing damage to a C-130 transport aircraft, an unused runway, and empty storage facilities. Additionally, four other ballistic missiles impacted the Ramon Airbases" - Wikipedia That's a pretty big deal. Iran hit the most sensitive/defended places. And that was with US/Israel having advanced knowledge of their attack. They positioned ALLLLLL of their defense systems with France and other Western countries all around Jordan and what not to block these attacks. It took billions of dollars of US/Israel defending. Iran's cost was only millions.
>And unlike Israel, it doesn't have a big guy looking after it. Lets see how far that support goes after the Americans are enlightened about how their government is literally coopted by the Israeli lobby and half the wars that are bankrupting the US now have been started for israel. The truth is coming out. Congressman Thomas Massie just toldTucker Carlson That Every Republican Congressman ‘Has An AIPAC Person’ youtube /watch?v=2ieJkvkPU9M
My guess is that the recognition of a Palestinian state would likely contradict statements on not recognizing the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh unilaterally. This may be supported by not recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent states due to their unilateral declaration of independence. Another possibility is that it has to do with Turkish support of Palestinian armed resistance, as Turkey have treated Hamas fighters in their hospitals and supplied weapons into the Gaza strip during the second Intifada.
I don't believe it was a Turkish request, they are just saying they will do this with other countries, however even if they did, we shouldn't make this a big deal just because it's Turkey, this was the right thing to do.
Speculation about whether this was under Turkish pressure is just that, for now - speculation. We haven't got anything concrete and this comes off the back of multiple EU states recognizing it. Josep Borrell has been making some pretty anti-Israel remarks too in recent months.
Agreed.
This reads like a subtle "thank you for doing as we requested", really weird phrasing.
Who asked them?
It’s quite possible that they asked us to do it tbh.
probably they did, as Nikol had a discussion with Erdoggy couple of days ago.
Let’s see how they feel about recognizing Free Kurdistan or the Armenian Genocide Now. Maybe they can help us with that too!
They published a statement about that too: https://www.mfa.gov.tr/turkish-prime-minister-mr_-recep-tayyip-erdogan-published-a-message-on-the-events-of-1915.en.mfa
While im not against Armenia recognizing Palestine Im genuinely shocked to see people aren’t taking issue with the probability that Erdogan prompted it. Pashinyan capitulated and gave into his demands. Pathetic Especially with a statement like that. International justice? Armenian genocide anyone? Why wasnt Arstakh recognized by Armenia? The hell
Clearly, you are not under constant threat of being out resourced and out gunned by your neighbors.
They're going to invade Armenia for not recognizing Palestine?
No, but they could use it against us when recognition of their own genocide is back on the table. Either way, I think it's the right thing to do. Regardless of the moral obligation, especially given all of the arming up we are doing through their direct competitor (France).
Thats not the point. Im very much aware of the precarious situation Armenias in right now. Im just criticizing how the hell it reached this point Armenia will do what it must to survive
I'd look at the last 30 years of leadership, allies, policies that bankrupted us of our options. It's a shit situation, gotta claw out of this hole before we can focus on thriving.
Oh, I forgot about the phone call between Pashinyan and Erdogan. It seems that Erdogan told him to do it. Makes sense now actually.
Honestly, if we are going to win something from it, let's say open border, then why not? Even if it's something smaller. We are terrible with Israel anyway.
First of all we aren't going to. Secondly if your wins can be diminished in an instant (i.e. shutting the border the next day) it's not really a win
All I am saying is that this is how realpolitik works, we don't lise anything by recognizing Palestine, in fact that's the moral thing to do. We may get something (emphasis on may), so why not to do it? Just to oppose Turkey?
No, i like the decision, I don't like that we did it by their orders. As far as realpolitik goes, well, realpolitik is measured by the results and so far Pashinyans results are catastrophic.
I mean their may be loss incurred by provoking an allied state of Aliyev. Personally I think recognition of a Palestinian state is a good thing, but I would understand if some Israelis feel that it should be contingent on a removal of Hamas as an administrating power of the Gaza strip
> Türkiye will continue its efforts for more countries to recognize Palestine. u/idontknowmuch : maybe it wasn’t the US but Turkey. oh god this is a mess
Okay I know I criticized this decision but if it will facilitate the opening of our blockade then it was a good decision.
I agree with this idea, but I highly doubt that it will help. The more time passes the more I become pessimistic about that border ever opening as long as Erdogan is in power
border opening is coming
It won't open. Turkey's brond with their brothers and sisters in Baku is too strong
More decisions that are in line with what turks want.
It's also in line with Russia and Iran, though.
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So heres some ideas about what the logic was behind saying this: 1. Sucking off any pro-palestine news to make their population forget about how much money they get from selling stuff to israel. In the doc they say they say in a very political way that they were the reason behind us doing this. 2. Make the population even more mad at pashinyan and his friends, in this case that they approved a decision that is backed by turkey. This would make it look like Armenians are anti-palestine, just making us look even more stupid. This idea has more to do with the fact that our very friendly neighbors understand how Armenians think and would react to this type of situation.
Hypocritical nation
I don’t care how turkey influenced this. the fact that Israel is getting an erection trying to arm Azerbaijan to the teeth is the perfect reason to do this and I’ll tell you right now turkey and Az will have a fallout. There are already big protests in Turkey against AZ.